chris wallace and geraldo and i think mike huckabee, who quit on saturday is going to be joining us live. >> not the country. he just quit fox. >> have a great day.

. >> reporter: he was held in jail and put on trial in 2008. guess what happened? in 2010 he was charged again. he and his brother said were trying to get a convicted terrorist broken out of a jail here in france. so a record as long as your arm

and then why were they allowed to be able to november around as they were without proper surveillance. the big question the authorities are asking right now. but they are also pausing. a last word here. this is a national day of nowrng despite the sirens you hear which talks about the priority. remembering the dead. remembering the dead this very famous satirical newspaper. they have become national symbols and worldwide symbols for freedom of speech, freedom of expression. there was a headline in one of the newspapers today. freedom aalways night. the people here are saying no. i'll step back and my cameraman will show you this memorial to those killed yesterday. we have been here for two days now and it's growing and growing. a memorable reminder of what

happened here yesterday, of the loss and the determination of the french people to not let this go unforegotten. bill: a lot more to report there in paris throughout the day here. very critical points. one of the brothers wanted to joint war in iraq and fight americans. he was denied that opportunity based on what we can see. bill: they have french and british passports and they may come back to that country and fight again. martha: specifically what they have been ordered to do. told to stay home, do what you can, run over people with cares poison people. we'll get into that coming up. this is a live scene in paris. it's 3:05 in the afternoon local

time. a lot of stories floating around as we continue to crack down on whether they are going to find these two guys and when we do get information on that we'll bring it to you right away. analysts say the amateur video of the attack shows the killers were highly trained and they knew exactly what they were doing. [gunshots] you can seat one assailant goes in for the kill. the other one is corresponding him. they made their way to the military vehicle in a militaristic style. this tight grouping of bullet holes. the automatic rifles are not easy to control. ambassador john bolton says our

intelligence community needs to be on the lookout. >> this was a military-tile attack on innocent civilians in a major city of a western country. this is a big event. if it can happen in paris it can happen in washington or new york. you can count on it. martha: the executive director of the project on terrorism and a terrorism analyst. steve, welcome to you. 24 hours since we last spoke. we have more information about these two individual, these brothers. what have we learned so far that gets your attention? >> despite the enormous advantage and technical capabilities, the software, the computer telling abilities to track terrorists around the world, it has not corresponded with the human ability to track them. so as much as we knew about them

in terms of their record, there wasn't a korgs ability to connect the dots. or the ability because we don't have enough people to actually track them. that's the problem law enforcement and intelligence agent $is will face in the future because there are so many jihadis returning from countries where they received this training, received the motivation or have the motivation in their indigenous country to carry out these attacks. as we saw yesterday they carried it out with military-tile precision, the training we don't know where it took place but it could have taken place directly in france. they didn't need to go overseas to obtain this training or oh 50s case. >> i think you upped on something extremely important here. we know this is a multi pronged war. there is a war on terrorism that has to happen in the place they

live against isis, isil. then there are the battles in boston paris australia. until we figure out who the people are who have the passports and connect the dots in a martin tell jones sharing effort that works -- smart intelligence effort that works across country borders we'll continue to see this, will we not? >> given the fact that we believe in freedom we have a tipping point problem. there are lots of believers who believe it's okay to kill jews and americans and christians, but that's protected free speech. the tipping point is when they carry out those rye lent attacks. that's the point where it's illegal. therefore, we can identify maybe

know about -- have databases of those people who have been known to espouse belief in violence, but when they actually -- like the the boston bombers, the look on realtime as they change their rules of the game and act on their impulses. martha: we'll wait to accept the loss of some of our liberties to protect our country and our people. bill: 24 hours ago we sat here wondering what's happening and we have the sense of that again because we have not figured this tory out entirely and these two men are still on the run. the white house pledging usmght -- pledging u.s.

support to france. critics are wondering if the president's policies are part of the problem. >> it will be a long-term problem and it doesn't benefit from down playing the significance this terrorist threat against the western world. bill: interrogation techniques exposed in gitmo is that contributing to the problem? martha: the president threatening a veto of a bill before it's even passed. senator joe manchin joins us ahead on that. bill will be omg it's cold outside. much of the country facing dangerously cold temperatures. one word for this week. layers and a lot of it. >> we are looking to when it will get back above zero. we'll counts it down.

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martha: this on the left is police activity in northern france, just east of paris northeast of paris and we have seen these police cars sitting there for a while. they may be setting up checkpoints. also in great britain news that they are raising their security threat as well. we'll get more information on that. how extensive that will be and we'll bring that to you as soon as we get it as well.

bill: back at home it's plan b on the keystone pipeline. the president says he will veto it if it comes to his desk. democrat joe manchin supports the idea. welcome to america's newsroom. the president says he wants cooperation. do you buy that? >> i continues believe out of the date two hours after we announced we are introduction the bill, the president would make a statement he's going to veto it. we haven't had many opportunities since i have been here in four years to work in an open-ended process the normal order is put the bill through committee. you allow amendments, people get a chance to eapped or take away something they felt is harmful. i would have thought the president would saying about a

former legislator, i'll wait until this process unfolds. he never even gave it a chance. that's not the way you do legislation. it's not the way the democracy works and it's not the way the three branches of government should work. bill: answer that question, why would that be? why are they so -- why is the white house or the president why are they so predetermined this is wrong? it's going to be built. 40% of this is already in construction. this land is being built. it's going to carry north american oil to the refineries. it will make our country more secure as a nation and less depend department on foreign oil. we buy 7 million barrels a day. we buy 750,000 from venezuela.

we buy 40,000 a day from russia. i would rather buy from our friends, the best ally we have. we are buying heavy crude from venezuela. once it's cominkled co -- once it's commingled with american oil it can't be exported. bill: the president says you have need to change your mind and the president says republicans need to change. josh earnest made that points yesterday. >> we expect republicans to find common ground with the president on shared values whether that's opening up overseas markets and making the tax code fair. bill: i don't know where that goes. a month ago we found 68% of americans support this. when you were governor of west

virginia, if 68% of the people in west virginia asked you to do something for them that would benefit the people of that state, what would you do? >> you do everything humanly possible to accommodate them. if there is something flawed in the request you would bring that out and show the facts. we are not seeing anything except a desire not to build something. i want our country to be energy independent, i want us to be secure as a nation. i don't want to depend on foreign oil. i don't want to buy from other countries who use the money against us. this has happened far too long. i'll do everything i can to help this country be energy independent. using the best of technology and finds a balance between the economy and the environment. that's common sense. that's what america wants. i would hope this administration and the president would try to accommodate us and work with us

instead of against us. bill: you need four more votes to override a veto. can you tell this to four more democratic colleagues? >> we have a chance with an open process. process. we are starting out the gate with a new congress and we have an open process. llng resources that could strengthen the bill that make our country better and strong and better, cleaner climate. we can do all these things using everything with the technology we have if we'll work together. but the president dropping the gauntlet saying i don't care what you do, i don't care how long you work or how good the product is i'm against it.

that's like saying we are going to have soup but i haven't seen the ingredients or tasted it but i'm not going to eat it. that's just wrong. martha: some parts of the world united with freedom of speech under assault after what happened in paris. cartoonists using their greatest weapon to battle terror attacks in paris. we'll talk to tucker carlson about that. bill: world leaders refusing to call the attack in paris islamic terrorism. even the french president refuses to use that term. >> this was a horrible attack on brave journalists. but every day dozen and hundreds of people are slaughtered the all over the world by islamic extremists. our president won't come to grips with it. even our military is

lawyer-riddled and.

bill: we are watching the camera here. there is police activity in northern france. it could be related to the manhunt for these two terrorists or perhaps's another false alarm. that's a long shot from a camera several hundred yards away. 25 past, martha. martha: the attack on the satirical newspaper in paris is by all accounts an attack on freedom of speech in the world. these are four of the 12 who lost their lives yesterday. but instead of silencing their

voices the terrorists sparked the exact opposite. cartoonists around the world are flooding social media with their own drawings. this one shows a pun on the word "draw." "he drew first" it says. the cartoon is using a pen not a gun to make his point. there is a yrl show of solidarity saying "i am charlie in french. and two pencils as the twin towers at ground zero under attack. tucker carlson good morning to you. so much to think about in light of all this. i feel as if the outrage over what has happened and the linkage of the events we have seen in australia and boston

bibeaubyboko haram is starting to sing into the collective psyche. >> it's having the effect of intimidating the press. you can put signs that say je suis charlie but you are not charlie unless you have the power of your convictions. it's not as powerful as the cartoons for which those guys gave their lives. the fact that international news organizations have refused to show the cartoons shows the cowardice of the west. multiculturalism seems to win out every time. for the new york daily news to block the i am average that

cartoon, one of the cartoons that resulted in the murder and instead put a front-page picture of the policeman being executed on the sidewalk, by any measure a more offensive image tells you everything you need to know. they are cowed by the terrorists. it's distressing. martha: so you believe all of the organizations should be posting the pictures that they drew. they all oh have cartoons christians would find offensive. the thing that they posted about christians don't make we want to kill anybody. but you believe it would be appropriate to post all of those pictures across all of the media in the united states? >> i think a lot of the people they drew were not just offensive, but they were stupid. i'm not defending the pictures but their right to run them

without being murdered is the central right the west represents. the freedom to express ourselves and the freedom to defend ourselves are the core rights. so you can say you support those values. but unless you are willing to stand up for them it's a meaningless statement. those cartoons which inspired the murders yesterday are part of the news story. they are at the center of it. what's the just if i kaig for not showing them? martha: and it shocked me yesterday to see the reaction from the white house and to sort of see this equivocating and the nervousness constructing sentences to explain what was going on in paris when we knew what these assailants were shouting, allahu akbar. that was the figure reason they were there because of those cartoons. how you can't draw any conclusion from that initially is mind boggling.

>> this is not only a global assault on the west, but globally the west is casing. in canada right now yesterday a man named eric brasseau was sentenced to prison. he was sentenced by a secular court in canada to hard time in canada. even here freedom of speechened attack by people who think it conflicts with multi-culturalism. that's a scary thing. we should fight against it. martha: let's hope if there is any bright light in this tragedy you would think people would wake up. thank you so much, tucker. bill: these guy were not intent on dying. this was not a suicide mission. they wanted to get out and

perhaps kill again. that raises the question, who's helping them right now? bone-chilling conditions affect affects millions of you. 36 below in maine. minus 25 in chicago. a live report from one very cold correspondents outside. martha: it wakes you up when you wake up into the cold, dark moment. another u.s. ally attacked by terrorists. should we be considering closing gitmo? >> here we have a president who is releasing prisoners from guantanamo as what you do when a war is over, not when it's ongoing. and this is one soda a day over an average adult lifetime. but there's a better choice. drink more brita water. clean, refreshing, brita.

bill: the suspected getaway

driver turns himself in. but these two brothers are still on the run. the manhunt is extending beyond paris. the paper says it will go ahead and print next week's edition with a print run of 1 million instead of 60,000 copies. britain is checking passengers and cargo coming across the english channel. martha: the terror attack drawing new questions about president obama's policies and whether they are keeping us safe. the president called french president hollande. but here at home the president has slammed cia interrogation techniques and wants to close the bawb * detention de -- close the

guantanamo bay detention facility. >> these events remind us that you cannot retain the ambivalence about the seriousness of this and the nature of the war. it deprives us of the weapons like interrogation and human intelligence that obama has been depriving us of for six years. martha: senator lindsey graham, good morning. happy new year. i wish we had gone the off to a happier start. a very sad day in paris. a lot more people are starting to think more deeply in terms of this battle for western civilization. >> let me tell you. the first thing you have got to understand, the breadth this is a religious war. the people who are attacking us and attacking france are

motivated by a religious teaching that says there is no place on the planet for anybody who disagrees with them. they are a minority within the muslim world. the president of egypt says the islamic religion needs to take these people on and our president is under cutting the president of egypt by not talking about it in the right way. it's truly a religious war and we need to fight back. martha: our president talked about the violence of a few and freedom of speech. >> i any he believes that strength is offensive. he doesn't want to be bold because it may offend somebody. it's not offensive to say these are religious a natd is that don't represent islam and have to be killed or captured. we have to partner with people in the muslim world. but president obama's policies

are making us very much less safe here at home. martha: what specifically? >> he criminalized the war. in the last year we captured many high-value targets that would be a treasure trove of information. rather than holding them as enemy combatants he is reading them their miranda rights. i have been a military lawyer for 32 years. if you take up arms against the united states and join a radical islamic group, you are even enemy of the nation and an enemy of the world. you should be shelled as long as possible under the law of the world. his campaign promises are getting lots of people killed. our intelligence gathering capabilities are being

compromised. we are reducing our military spend at a time when we need it the most. the policies driven by president obama of being soft, indecisive and weak are coming home to haunted us. there are more organization in more countries with more safe havens with more weapons and people and money to attack our homeland than there was before 9/11. they are an olympic contest. the jihadists are an olympic contest to recruit people and attack western interests. the gold medal goesed to the group that can hit us at home. martha: when you think about the fact that isis refers to themselves as i.s. they believe they have have a country now. they have a state. should anybody be surprised that they have reach? they said very clearly roll over, people with your corresponds, poison their water shoot them at home. if you can't come to syria or

iraq do these things at home. we see it around the world australia, boston. paris. the attempt top equivocate or broaden these words is baffling quite frankly. >> when you limit your ability to gather intelligence you open yourself up to an attack. philadelphia when you reduce your military sphoadged historic lows and create safe havens by withdrawing against them. isis is just one of the threats we face. they are in a competition with -- with al qaeda. they are richer than they have ever bern. they have foreign fighters with american and european passports. this should be a wakeup call to the president and the congress. it's just a matter of time that we are going to get here at home if somebody doesn't adjust soon.

martha: thank you very much. it's a very frightening prospect. senator linlds i graham, thank you. bill: 20 minutes before the hour. some disney visitors went for disney fun but came home with a contagious disease. martha: they shouted allahu akbar and murdered 12 people. howard dean says don't call the muslim terrorists terrorists. bill: howard dean does not know what he's talking about. he's in a state of denial and there are many, many others likes him in america.

we come by almost every day to deliver your mail so if you have any packages you want to return you should just give them to us i mean, we're going to be there anyway why don't you just leave it for us to pick up? or you could always get in your car and take it back yourself yeah, us picking it up is probably your easiest option it's kind of a no brainer ok, well, good talk martha: a pair of disney theme parks being linked to the measles. investigators believe it stems from a stingle person.

most americans are vaccinate against -- against measles. bill: islamic terrorism? apparently not according to the white house. >> this is an acts of terror we con dmem the strongest terms. the thoughts and prayers and everybody at the white house are with those who were killed and injured this attack. bill: we know they yelled allahu akbar according to witnesses. here is howard dean's take on that. >> this is a chronic problem. i stopped calling these people muslim terrorists. they are about as muslim as i am. they have no respect for anyone's life. that's not what the koran says. i think isis is a cult.

not an islamic cult, i think it's a cult. bill: liz cheney, howard dean says it's a cult. what do you call it? >> clearly these are islamic terrorists. we don't identify these people for what they are it makes it nearly impossible for to us win this war and we still are at war. these are islamic terrorists. saying that doesn't mean you are saying all muslims are terrorists, but all of the terrorists who are now attempting to kill americans and conducted this attack in france and fighting in iraq and syria they are islamic terrorists. we have got to be willing to name them so we can undertake the kinds of intelligence gathering activities necessary. bill: why the reluctance to call it islamic terrorism? i thought the progression of the

language from the white house over the course of two or three hours was fascinating. they did get to the point it was terrorism, but they don't add islamic terrorism. are they environmental terrorists? are they narco terrorists? >> it's political correctness taken to the extreme where it's threatening to threaten the security of the nation. the white house in the past has been reluctant to use the word "terrorism." while the president is reluctant to say we are at war against islamic terrorists, he's also releasing some of those same islamic terrorists from the cam at guantanamo bay. what you are seeing is a connection between the president's unwillingness inability to fight and win to destroy isis to take the activities that are necessary to defeat the terrorist threat and the new caliphate and the connection between that and the

inspiration that is giving to terrorists like those we saw yesterday in france. and the real problem now is people traveling to fight in syria and iraq and then returning potentially to their home countries to conduct terrorist attacks there. bill: apparently one of those brothers wanted to fight americans in iraq. i don't know if he ever made it to baghdad. but that was his intention. that was 10 years ago. the point you make, you have gotten from much passport, you have got british passport. you have got an american passport. now you have the golden ticket to come back and do something like this. >> the longer that isis is able to control that territory control the resources, able to survive and exist and not be completely defeated and destroyed by the united states, the stronger they become and the

more attractive they become to those who want to fighter and die for -- for allah. he's make us more insecure by his release terrorists. at this moment when we are fighting against an enemy that has to be identified, captured and interrogated. we have no interrogation program and he's releasing people we know are high risk from guantanamo. bill: and more to come, too right? at the pentagon this week, kirby, the spokesman he said they have isis corners in iraq and syria. is it true or not? >> no, it's not true. you have also had others at the pentagon saying what we are doing is not sufficient. the notion that we are going to defeat isis with a limited air

campaign with no boots on the ground by training forces that we now learn they are getting six weeks of training before we put them into the battle? isis is rolling into town where people toad with the united states and fought with us during the surge with lists of names of those people and they are going in and slaughtering those people. they are killing their families. they are making it very, very difficult for anybody to imagine standing against them. and until we understand that we have got to take steps necessary to demonstrate that we will prevail, it's going to be a much less secure world. martha: it's winter for sure and americans are bundling up. check it out. caribou, maine 36 below. in new york city, there is our beautiful view from our studios. wait until you see way it's like

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districts close. in minneapolis the threshold to close schools is negative 35. negative 20 in chicago the with is negative 25. so a lot of parents dealing county ripple effect of their kids suddenly being out of school. martha: boy it's cold out there. what about the great lakes? sometimes they will freeze over in this weather as well, right? >> reporter: they are freezing or. let me show you new buffalo michigan which is north of the indiana border. you have got this frigid temperature, relatively low wind. the coast guard has resumed ice breaking operations. they are calling it operation coal shovel so the coal shipments can get through. bill: in another life they

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>> president obama says he'll veto keystone pipeline. why? could it help america? also whether conservative christians like mike huckabee can be elected again. >> a dozen people slaughtered and shot their way through pair toys escape and now the manhunt is on for the two heavily armed suspects in yesterday's terrorist massacre. two brothers now the most wanted men in france with heavily armed police right now conducting some sort of operation in northern france we've been watching that scene to see if anything comes of it. there was discussion that perhaps the men had been spotted, we simply don't know the answer to the question yet. we're waiting to find out along with the rest of the world as we welcome you to a brand new hour now. >> good morning.

they're on to something but whether or not this turns out to be what they're looking for, we wait and see. the manhunt leading police to a gas station robbery in northern france. reports there say that armed robbers did match the general descriptions of the suspects who stole gas and food. french security forces swarmed a nearby village about 40 miles north of paris. a fast moving situation with heavily armored police conducting numerous raids as they search for the two terrorists. >> j.r.n. reporter joins us from paris. what's the late snes >> what we're hearing is very much along the lines of what you've got, that there are two special units operating in northeastern france at the moment. anti-terrorist unit up there, there's operating alongside a special para military special operations unit. they have like flooded the area and seeing what they can do to follow any trace of the sign of these two men that have been on the run now for over 24 hours.

there's also an enormous helicopter presence in the area. locals have been told to stay inside and children at school have been told they will have to say at school for the foreseeable future while this is underway. at the same time, though as a precaution we've got police and armed troops checking every car that comes back into the paris area. if you know paris well it's a circle city, old city wall on each of those entries into paris. you've got troops, you've got armed police just in case these guys are heading back towards paris. >> what is the mood in the city right now? and how comfortable are people moving about? >> it's a mood of -- you know everyone is on the one hand really spooked and on the other hand defiant. you know at midday today, there was one minute silence and outside the notre dame cathedral, the heart, the geographical heart of paris,

there were people standing in the pouring rain. a lot of them just holding up a single pen as a sign that freedom of speech freedom of expression will continue here in france. there's also the news just a couple of hours ago that charlie hebdo will publish next week and instead of the usual 60,000 copies more than a million copies will be published so that was really the only bit of good news that has come to paris and i have to tell you, there's a wee bit of a feeling we kind of are besieged at the moment. we're not used to having so many troops everywhere. it's still an emergency situation here in paris. we have troops at railway stations airports outside places of worship, also all the news operations offices as well and outside the main shopping centers. >> i think the period in boston when the city was on lockdown and finally those two suspects were located and we do hope that these two individuals will be located and soon.

katherine, thank you very much. good to have you with us. >> u.s. intelligence now working with france to learn everything they can. katherine, good morning there. what are you picking up on today? what do we know right now? >> well, thank you, bill. good morning. fox news is told there's no credible claim of responsibility for the attack but the more investigators learn about the brothers, long standing ties to known jihadists and the commando style raid there is a connection to a foreign terrorist organization. french authorities releasing photos of the brothers, said was convicted seven year agos of funneling young jihadists to iraq and also a support of zarqawi. they are looking at overseas trouble, most notably to yemen and u.s. official confirms that the overnight raids in paris, including seven arrests, are related to wednesday's shooting

bill. >> as you know, when a story like this breaks you run to the computer. what are officials learning from traffic online? >> an intelligence source highlighted to fox news a tweet sent out less than an hour after the attack where three al qaeda leaders include the leader of al qaeda in pakistan the american cleric, the first american targeted for death by the c.i.a. and a leader of al qaeda in yemen and the person responsible for the group's propaganda journal, inspire magazine. fox news is told the tweet is connected to the attack and it is being reviewed by investigators. it's worth noting and emphasizing the brothers claimed they were al qaeda with one saying they specifically indicated they were with al qaeda in yemen. >> answer the best you can, the report out of france suggested they were orphans but grew up in france all their lives. then you come to this question

about whether or not authorities came across them during earlier times and apparently they did with at least one brother 10 years ago and they were known prominently to french authorities so the question becomes, why were they not able to keep tabs on them or watch them? that may sound easier than it usually is but how would they answer that right now if they were posed that question? >> well this is the central question for the french intelligence services what level of surveillance they had on the individuals if any, and why it was they were not able to thwart this attack. on that point, i would say that when you have the small cell operations these are the most difficult to infiltrate because in this case, it appears to be a conspiracy of two with possible links to a former terrorist organization. on the background of these two men, the fact that they are orphans, what might reporting in this area has shown over the last decade is that typically individuals that become

radicalized or go overseas to join a foreign terrorist organization there is some life event, a major crisis if you will, that precipitates that and it's a lack of identification that often is one of the leading catalysts. >> thank you. back with you when we get more from washington. >> you're welcome. >> here with more from washington, bret baier, anchor of "special report." good morning to you. >> good morning, martha. >> what's the latest in terms of the reaction in washington, the reaction from the white house and is there any sign that this attack in paris is changing the way that they're thinking about things? >> not really a sign. i think there was always a concern about foreign fighters the possibility that some of them were training in syria and would go back to their home countries. this could be a situation where katherine mentioned where they went to yemen and you heard this witness, one witness according to authorities there in paris

saying you can tell the media that we're with al qaeda in yemen. listen. you talked to intelligence officials here in washington and talk to people on capitol hill. we had the new chairman on the senate intel community last night and they are worried about this whole recruiting process online, social media and the ability to move people and get them to do things against western targets in those countries aside from the recruit that go goes on overseas. >> you just wonder what the crackdown is. what the discussion is at our intelligence agencies at this point about these 100 plus people we believe also hold american passports whether or not we need to be watching any of them anymore closely. we've had so much scrutiny of our intelligence surveillance programs and you wonder, you know if all of this will lead to any leads in tracking down any of these people. >> yeah. this is the balance that we have. the balance of how much civil

liberty are we going to give up in order to track down these people? how much are we going to do take away visas? you know, the f.b.i. director was asked on "60 minutes" about this very question. are we tracking the people we know are fighting with isis? when they come back here. he said yes, we're tracking them. but other countries are pulling visas, are bringing them in not letting them come into the countries. it's an interesting dilemma and i think one that this administration is really going to have to deal with. >> yeah. you know when you look at the border situation as well there's been a lot of focus from d.h.s. on immigration. it raises questions about whether or not we're keeping our eye on the ball. >> yeah. this was different, remember yesterday. these were military-style moves. you talked to any military expert, they'll tell you the way they were holding the guns the way they were moving the tight circle of shots as you see in

the police car window this was -- these people were trained. not only that they were wearing masks so they're not of the suicide bomber kind of or terrorist that wants to get claim from the world. they are hiding, they expected to get away. and as katherine mentioned, cherif hadin 2008. you'll see a lot of focus on these foreign groups and where they're moving. europe has a big issue on its hand. >> britain has tightened up the terror alert at this point. no move of that kind here at home in the united states. we'll see where it goes. thank you so much, bret. >> see ya martha. >> pope francis dedicating a mass in memory of the victims. pope offering prayers for those killed and speaking out against those who commit human cruelty in his words. asking for the lord to change their hearts.

pope francis also sending out a one line tweet hashtag prayers for paris. meanwhile, a national day of mourning in france. citizens across that country gathering for a moment of silence. mourners seen here at notre dame honoring the victims and tonight, the city of lights most iconic symbol the eiffel tower will go dark. it will dim the world famous lights in mourning right about 4:00 in the afternoon paris time. >> the pope recently also praying for the children that were killed in pakistan and you think about the deaths that have happened all over the world as a result of this ideology from different groups and it is stunning, the loss of life. >> too much. too much. >> all right. so we are now hearing about an isis video released a few weeks ago that was urging small scale terror attacks in france so what did that perhaps lead to what we saw to yesterday in pair snis

>> the attack coming only weeks after a deadly hostage taking in australia australia. a few months after a fatal shooting in canada. the new norm. is this it in the western world? do we have to just deal with it? if so how? we'll talk about that and debate it. >> president obama under fire for his stance on islamic terrorism. senator john mccain joins us live with why he and many others feel the president's policies are making us less safe. he'll tell us what he thinks. >> the president's policy is basically to kill terrorists with drones. i'm not necessarily opposed to that but the most important thing you can do is capture a terrorist and interrogate them. and of course, the president doesn't want us to do that, either. aarp's staying sharp keeps your brain healthy with online exercises by the top minds in brain science. find more real possibilities at aarp.org/possibilities.

>> new questions today about whether an isis recruitment video helps inspire the terror attack in paris. last month french members put on a video calling on muslims to conduct terrorist attacks in france. meanwhile, evidence shows that several french citizens joined the terrorist grup. in fact, 1,000 citizens are known to be involved in some way with islamic militant activity with links to iraq and syria. a serious problem exists in france and we saw that play out in the worst possible way yesterday afternoon. yesterday midday in paris. former national security staff member under presidents bush and

obama is also a fox news contributor and charles is a former c.i.a. operations officer as well as a former head of the c.i.a.'s wmd terrorist unit. welcome to both of you. it's great to have you with us today. charles, when you take a look at this video, and it is chilling and, un, they put these things out all the time. it's slick, very well produced i guess you could say and it calls for -- let's pull up the screen quote here and take a look at exactly what they advise people to do here. if you're unable to come to syria or iraq then pledge allegiance in your place. operate within france. terrorize them and do not allow them to sleep due to fear and horror. you're thoughts? >> well whether this particular video contributed to the attack obviously we don't b but what the video represents is a continuing series of messages broadcast by isis but also by al qaeda and other groups telling folks in the west to do this and

it couldment be more clear, in other words, about what they want and what they intend and people are responding. and unfortunately, they are going to continue to respond and we're going to continue to see this. >> yeah. you say this could be a turning point given the nature of this operation. >> uh-huh. this is really the european nightmare of the past several months come to fruition as we now know the perpetrators were french nationals. if it turns out to be the case they travel to syria train there and then returned home to perpetrate this attack on french soil then this situation really becomes a worse case scenario for the french government as well as the european community. it shows several advances in terms of terrorist capabilities number one, the ability to perpetrate an tack that involves incredibly complex logistics, including the international transit of people and weapons and number two the ability to recruit european nationals to the radical islam cause. >> just in another quote from

this video, it says there are weapons and cars available and ready to be hit. every poison is available so poison the water and food of at least one of the enemies of allah, kill them and spit in their faces and run over them with their cars and i think back to the situation that happened a while back in canada where a soldier at a check point was run over by a car, the other individual soldier, military official who was on site who was shot in cold blood there. are you starting to link all of these things together charles, in terms of the way that it's all woven? >> yeah. absolutely. what they are doing is broadcasting not just to a nation like france but to the entire west telling people in place to mobilize and literally telling them as you just laid out, pick up whatever means you have at your disposal and kill somebody. if you can kill a lot of people that's great. if you can just run over one person with a car, that's fine too. do something, get into the

conflict. that video you're talking about with the frenchman in it the continuous refrain is basically what are you waiting for? why are you sitting there? do something now. >> you know, what about the fact that these guys wanted to get away? this is not the kind of suicide bombing that we have seen carried out in the middle east necessarily. >> yeah. the fact that this wasn't a suicide mission, to go beyond the attack to seek refuge somewhere and this is where the key component here really comes down to are they or are they not connected to a central terrorist organization? you know, because as you mentioned, there's really two possibilities. on the one happened, they are connected officially. the other possibility is that they are sort of self styled homegrown, probably even self trained jihadys. so looking at that going forward, that will probably some key insight into that issue.

>> i have to go but a quick question, charles. are we doing enough at home for the people we know something about? >> no. we need to be more proactive, more aggressive. we need to get ahead of the curve on this thing. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> 20 minutes past. american cartoonist targeted for death by islamic terrorists forced into hiding. we'll bring you her story in a moment here. >> and a desperate call to 911 as a truck drags a minivan down the highway for miles and miles in a blinding snowstorm. this is an extraordinary story about what happened to these people. we'll show you.

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solidarity while delivering a poignant statement that hits close to home. here is john stewart and then conan o'brien. >> i know very few people go into comedy you know, as an act of courage. mainly because it shouldn't have to be that. it shouldn't be an act of courage. it should be taken as established law. but those guys had had it and they were killed for their -- >> in a country we take for granted that it's our right to poke fun at the untouchable or the sacred. but today's tragedy in paris reminds us very viscerally that it's a right some people are forced to die for. all of us are terribly sad for the families of the victims for the people of france and for anyone in the world tonight who now has to think twice before making a joke. it's not the way it's supposed

to be. >> jon stewart went on to say that we bicker and we point fingers at each other in the media here at home which, of course, we do and it's part of the conversation, it's a part of freedom of speech but he said we're all on quote, team civilization. and i think that's something that a lot of people are thinking about today. >> i expect to hear more from that, too, in the coming days. from delivering that satire to drawing it, one cartoonist is on an al qaeda hit list for her work. she's been in hiding now for three years. dan springer has that story out of seattle. where is she in hiding? what came her way, dan? >> as you heard from the comics a lot of cartoonists around the world are standing up for free speech and saying they will not be silenced. the fear is real and it's changing lives. molly north became a target of muslim extremists for a cartoon in 2010. f.b.i. told her at the time that the death threats were real and credible and urged her to go

into hiding and she's been virtually underground ever since. the cartoon was in response to death threats received by the creators of south park for an episode depicting the prophet muhammad. she argued that the answer was really for a lot of depictions of muhammad so her cartoon advertised for an everybody draw muhammad day. soon after that american born muslim cleric called for muslims to find her and kill her. it was right around that time that the obama administration decided to target him for killing rather than capture him and try him on terrorism charges. she was frequently published in the seattle weekly. paper said she changed her name, went into hiding out of fear of being killed. fellow blogger said that norris has never gotten enough support from the government or journalist community. >> we're no longer a free country if we journalists can't criticize a religion that for example, believes they need to

be quaid. >> the cleric was killed by a u.s. drone strike in yemen. >> how did the f.b.i. determine the threat was credible, dan? >> the f.b.i. isn't saying but there's a history of terrorist attacks, of course, against journalists. yesterday's mass killing at a french magazine is just the latest. isis has beheaded two cartoon cartoonists and "wall street journal" daniel pearl was murdered by al qaeda leader landing on the hit list was enough for the f.b.i. and molly norris and she's gone into hiding. the friends assume that she's around town somewhere using an assumed name. >> what a life she has to live. dan springer thanks out of seattle on that. >> we've heard here today growing concerns about the president's counterterrorism policies and whether they work. >> in a situation where the

president is not just that he's failing to undertake action if necessary to secure the nation. he's making us much less secure. >> sharp criticism from liz cheney and also from some senators, lindsey graham on capitol hill as the white house stops short of killing the paris terror attack islamic terrorism. reaction from john mccain coming up next. >> are the small scale but deadly attacks in places like canada and australia and now paris, france is it the new norm for western countries like our own? >> i'm really sad first, angry, really angry as well. the terrorists can't win this fight. it's absolutely not possible. chnology that flexes in 8 directions for the perfect shave at any angle. go to philips.com/new to save up to $40. innovation and you. philips norelco.

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>> we are back with this alert and the very latest. two terror suspects still on the loose being hunted at this hour across france. thousands of police officers scouring the entire nation searching for these two

brothers. they're going house to house in several towns, considered extremely dangerous and armed as we know. meanwhile, the police labelling the murder of a policewoman this morning as a terror attack as well. french officers are investigating the scene, still no word whether it is connected to the hunt for these two terror suspects. more as we get it this morning. >> certainly the attack highlights islam questioning our own security here at home. mitch mcconnell saying that president bamobama's policies have made america less safe. >> he's in the process of trying to close guantanamo bay, the perfect place for foreign terrorists that are captured overseas. he wants to mainstream them frequently into a u.s. article three court which means they're going to get a lawyer and shut up. i mean what you want the most from a foreign terrorist trying to kill us is what else do they know? >> arizona senator john mccain

newly elected chairman our guest from capitol hill good morning to you and welcome back. >> good morning. >> you were just over seas iraq afghanistan, near the syrian border in turkey. what did you learn in that trip that applies to what we're covering now out of paris? >> well, first of all, if we stick with a calendar withdrawal from afghanistan, we will see the same kind of failure we saw in iraq because of our total withdrawal there. in iraq they're not ready to take on isis in the second largest city of mosul. they have no strategy to defeat isis and isis continues to do very well. we're able to drive them out of kaboni using air assets which are united states of america. >> is that true? on monday of this week, admiral kirby at the pentagon pretty much suggested that we've got them boxed in and we've got them

cornered. >> well, we may have all that. they're still there in kobani but i think the fundamental point here is that these attacks just took place in paris were professional to a degree that would have required some previous experience in training. people, young men, have come by the thousands to fight for isis in iraq and syria and some of them have gone back and we have no strategy to defeat isis. they're killing more of the free syrian army than we are training because we refuse to stop asad with a no-fly zone. so for a long period of time, unless the strategy changes to defeat isis and that means a much greater united states military involvement, you are going to see these young men return to the countries which they came from better trained better equipped and more dedicated and radicalized to commit atrocities such as we saw

happen in france yesterday. >> based on what you have seen and heard from the president, the commander in chief and pretty much based on what he has done, do you have any confidence that that will go the way you want? will there be an increase? >> i have no confidence at all because they have no strategy to defeat isis as long as isis exists and they've done very well, if you look at it objectively, then you will see a danger of these people returning to europe to the united states even or other countries and commit acts of terror. they are hardened fighters and they are radicalized and they showed yesterday that they're capable of pretty professional operations and it's all because of a failed policy beginning with iraq where we didn't leave a sustaining force behind and that situation collapsed. now we're about to see the same movie in afghanistan and we are

treating -- there's so many things wrong with their so-called announced strategy of which there is none. for example, treating syria and iraq is different places it's propping up asad believing somehow the iranians will help us. fighting succeeding in iraq is done by shiite militias controlled by the iranians who are the same people we fought during the surge. it's really incredible. >> reading from the "new york times" now, just this morning, in recent weeks a security officials in paris and elsewhere in europe have grown increasingly weary of the return of young citizens from fighting in syria and iraq. those are fighters who grou up in those respective countries. >> yes, but we've known this for a long time. this is not a revelation, bill. this has been going on. when isis began succeeding which we predicted, then it became

obvious that these are fighters from all over the world, including a large number from europe and they're going to go back to the country they came from and they're a direct threat to the united states of america and there is no strategy in order to defeat isis today. >> what do we do senator? >> we have to develop a strategy and that's going to require united states involvement. not the same as before but certainly boots on the ground forward air controllers training, a really robust effort to defeat isis which right now we do not have and will not have devote of them for the foreseeable future under the present lack of strategy that exists today. >> let me show you something we did nine months ago. we took a poll. we wanted to know if americans felt safer or less secure today. 45% say less safe. 43% say we indeed are safer. >> uh-huh. i'll bet when you take that poll in the next week or so you will

see that 43% decline into the 30's. >> unfortunately i think you're right about that. senator mccain thank you and welcome home from another trip overseas. we'll talk again. >> thank you, bill. >> as you were just discussing terrorists attacking western civilians in broad daylight. it's interesting to see this in the middle of the streets of pair anies broad daylight as we said. the victims committing the crime, just simply going to work and doing the jobs that they did. so is this kind of frightening scene something that we should expect to have to get used to? is this the new normal for western civilization? that question disturbs many of us and we will have a great debate on that next. >> also this family trapped in a minivan, dragged down the highway and their desperate call for help. >> we ran into the back of a

semi truck and he's not stopping and our car is underneath of it.

>> unbelievable story here. a semi truck drags a minivan with a family inside for 16 miles. the father says the slow moving truck was nearly invisible in the heavy snow and he hit the brakes but by that point, it was too late. >> we ran into the back of a semi truck and he's not stopping and our car is embedded underneath of it. >> are you honking your horn or something maybe to get him to notice? >> no. we have nothing. we've lost everything. >> how fast are you going? >> i don't know. i can't even see because we're -- we don't have no lights nothing. >> that's crazy. the driver's wife during a 911 call. their adult children are apparently in the back seat. police used g.p.s. to find their location. the truck driver pulled over when he saw patrol cars

approaching. he apparently had no idea it was happening underneath his semi truck. no one in that van was injured. >> i'm confident about the values we share with the french people. i have a universal belief of freedom of expression that's something that is senseless violence. >> we put the words there because of the senseless violence of a few. the cameras were clicking and it was hard to hear the president there. that was the response of paris. will america accept this as the new normal or will this spur or nation to truly begin to fight back against islamic radicalism? doug is a former adviser to president clinton. monica is an online opinion

editor for washington times. i want to know what you thought of the president's words there because of the violence of a few. >> i thought they were tepid. i thought they were understated to a fault for what happened. this is islamic terror. it requires a firm response from the president of the united states. frankly, i'm surprised he's not on a plane to paris today to stand with president hollande and say this will not stand. that he's not coordinating with our friends around the world, including arabs like the general in egypt. >> who has spoken out against this himself. >> far more aggressively than our president has. a united concerted response so we do fight back and make sure we do everything possible to not let this happen again. >> it seems to me the response from the united states president would be so visceral so deeply felt in terms of you know, the roots of democracy. john kerry was much more passionate about the roots of

democracy in france and, you know, how we need to recognize this for what it is. what do you make of it monica? >> we are -- whether we want to see it or not, we are in world war iii. this is a clash of not civilizations because we have civilization on one side and barbarrism on the other. but we're in war and you would think the leader of the president of the united states, when our allies are under attack when our values our principles are under attack more importantly when free speech is under attack represented in the united states by the first amendment, not the 10th amendment, the first amendment, you would think that the american president would show as much passion about fighting this threat and this enemy as he does about taking on republicans. >> all of us remember growing up and the horrific violence that happened in the middle east happened in israel. you hear bombs going off in cafes, bombs going off in school buses and thinking that's the kind of thing that doesn't happen here. those things happen there as tragic as those are.

but now we live in a world where you have a cafe in australia, people at a marathon in boston people on the subways in london, an 18-year-old kid in new jersey killed by someone who said he was avenging the deaths of muslims in iraq. are we -- either we're going to have to get used to this which i know everyone at home is saying no thank you, our we're going to have to get real about it, doug. >> getting real means that we have to begin a war and do what my colleague monica who we differ on many issues but we do not differ on the fundamental universality of american values and a need to fight around the world, martha to protect our values. we emphasize the fact we have to span this degree. people of goodwill, people who defend liberal values traditional values have to stand and fight everywhere. >> i a grow with you. i tweeted today something from

jon stewart who we don't often quote on this program but he said, you know what folks? we disagree on a lot of stuff and go back and forth on cable news all the time but we're on team civilization and this is true. we are. >> this is the first step martha, in order to try to defeat the threat coming at us to see it, look it squarely in the face call it what it is not simply a terror attack but islamic terror attack. >> what happens when everybody in the country feels like they're doing that but the white house feels like they're not? >> if you fight a war, you need an f.d.r. ronald reagan at the end of the cold war. i think most of the american people get it but what we understand is that jihad comes in a lot of different forms. it's not just the immediate and urgent threat of violence but it comes in self infiltration comes to the muslim brotherhood and poisoning the mosques around the person world. >> will it take an attack here at home? >> it should not. we've had three americans who have been beheaded by the monsters in the middle east.

i cannot understand why that alone did not lead the president of the united states to say, i am declaring war against these fanatics. i will do whatever it take -- >> there's no indication that he's about to say that doug. >> i understand that. and i am saying as a democrat and as a person of goodwill i stand with people of all philosophies, all religions to say, this cannot stand. we cannot be passive. we have to take every step possible to avoid more attacks, more violence more killing. >> and understand this is not just -- as crucial as the military component is to this this is on the other side, they're looking to destroy the western world and islamistize the entire world. what's that the attack is. criminaling any kind of speech that's critical to islam. >> that's an enormous amount of leadership. >> she could not be more right. >> thank you very much. >> quickly to jon scott. good morning to you. >> good morning, bill. we're tracking every development

in that mass acker in paris. two suspects armed and dangerous remain on the run. there are scattered reports of sightings. one suspect turned himself in but france remains on edge. another police officer killed today in a separate incident there or so it appears. we have fox team coverage and in-depth analysis plus the deep freeze in the u.s. and an aggressive white house promising a veto-palooza all ahead. >> see you in 10 minutes. a look inside a 220-year-old time capsule buried by people like sam adams and pull revere. what's inside? we are about to find out. hello... i'm an idaho potato farmer and our big idaho potato truck is still missing. so my buddy here is going to help me find it. here we go. woo who, woah, woah, woah.

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breaking news overseas to bring you a cool story here at home. time kals up over 200 years old spilling secrets in boston. i talked to one of the experts who uncovered this buried history. michael como is the director of the massachusetts archives. congratulations and a big good morning to you. >> good morning, sir. thanks for having me. >> tell me what you found to be the most intriguing item inside. >> you know, it was an interesting night. there were some wonderful things to be found in there. i think the items that resonated most with me were the silver plate itself inserted first in 1795 by sam wall -- samuel adams and paul revere and then there was a singular coin in there, a pine tree shelling which is extremely rare and it was kind of exciting to see. >> i'll bet it was. you're talking about governor

samuel adams, paul reveres, found others of the country. >> that's the thing. these are names we've known since childhood. they're mystic figures in our minds and it's really exciting to participate in an event where you find materials and artifacts that make the points of connection with more than just their legacies. it's kind of -- i don't know. it's sort of a personal feeling when you have a chance to be part of something like this. >> i was reading, they took four or five hours just to loosen the screws. it was that meticulous before removing these items. >> yes. the box itself removing it from its position in the corner stone of the statehouse was quite a laborious process and then once removed, we had to handle it with the most utmost precision because these are artifacts. in the conservation labs we had specialists dedicated to that effort and they took all the time necessary. >> and engraved silver plate as you mentioned, copper medal

depicting george washington the commonwealth of massachusetts. what happens now? what will you do with the material? what will you do with the time capsule? >> now that it's been removed, we'll document everything of course. there will be conservation treatment that will occur. that will be done at the museum of fine arts as well to make sure we treat them properly and basically stabilize them and make sure there's no further decay to the artifacts themselves. it's my understanding that they will go on display for a period. we're thinking possibly as a venue, the museum of fine arts again, and we'll see in the future -- i don't know if firm decisions have been made yet but there's a strong possibility that the materials might be added back into the original location in the corner stone of the statehouse once the engineering work -- >> that would be appropriate. my favorite, by the way, is the title page from the massachusetts colony records. that's cool stuff. michael, congratulations and thank you for sharing with us today. >> thank you sir. thanks for having me.

>> wow. so one suspect has turned himself in for yesterday's terror attack in paris. two others still on the loose. new information on the manhunt coming up live from paris next. s right. it's just that i'm worried about you know "hidden things..." ok, why's that? no hidden fees from the bank where no branches equals great rates. [ fishing rod casting line, marching band playing ] [ male announcer ] the rhythm of life. [ whistle blowing ] where do you hear that beat? campbell's healthy request soup lets you hear it in your heart. [ basketball bouncing ] heart healthy. great taste. [ m'm... ] [ tapping ] sounds good. . .

>> we'll see if they're successful in paris. martha: stay tuned, right? bill: you said it remind us a lot about boston when it played out year-and-a-half. it was monday afternoon when the bombs went off. found them on thursday night. three, four 1/2 days later. let's hope that the is case. martha: that they can find them. much more today on fox. great to have you with us as always. "happening now" starts right now. jenna: they're armed they're dangerous, they're on the run as search for two prime suspects in the paris mass cure intensifies. france observe as day of mourning with ceremonies across the country to remember victims of that deadly terror attack.

i hope you're off to a great day so far i'm jenna lee. jon: i'm jon scott. police working out to capture the two most wanted men in paris. they say they gunned down editors and prominent cartoonists in a newspaper office in the heart of paris leaving 12 dead including two police officers. a third suspect turned himself in last night but the kouachi brothers remain at