@greta. so easy. go to gretawire.com and answer. this does it make a difference if we call the violence terrorist act of war or not? vote in our poll. to on "red eye." >> an evil mini-van forcing men to get out on the side of the highway with to where to go. tips on how to stop your car from doing the same to you. and why did the president collect pokemon trading cards? >> i never had seen anything like that. i thought i would get started this week. why wait? >> and finally, did these teams break a world record while waiting in line for days to meet greg gutfeld and what about the cool hoodie. >> it is affordable and cute. i am a college student. i can't spend $100 on a shirt. >> none of these stories on "red eye" tonight.

>> that's not real. now let's welcome our guests. she is cuter than a basket of kittens inside a basket made of kittens. i am here with kim --. and if these walls could talk they would say quick stumbling into me you horrible drunk. it is joanne nosuchunsky. and the best thing i can say about him is he is not paul mccurio. it is tv's andy levey. and he is back with a tour of the help wanted ad. actor, writer, comedian, paul mccurio. he also has a pod cast it is on something called itunes. and it is called, you guested it the paul mccurio show. this week features larry the cable guy. my, how the mighty have fallen. >> a block. the lede. that's the first story.

>> drive a lot of people my way, thank you. >> okay. have we caved to the depraved with the paris killers at large? more idiots say "charlie ebdo" brought this hell on themselves. there is a list of jackasses who chip the flame to those who put out a qoak prove involve particular and racist magazine. one example is a feminist blogger put it best, slash worst. i don't think shooting up the "charlie hebd o" office was right with a capital r but i think it is understandable. and then there is the muslim cleric and my squash partner. in an op-ad he wrote, muslims consider the honor of the prophet mohamed to be dear to them than -- more than their parents or themselves. it is considered an obligation upon them. who ever insults a prophet,

kill him. there is a god for you. "charlie ebdo" announced they will publish a special edition next week. their biggest [bleep] to radical islam. now in a video they promise more attacks. take a look. >> he is on my pod cast next week. >> i suddenly feel bad for him. katherine, the muslim cleric blames the french government for not stoping the magazine from provoking muslims. does he have a point and is that point stupid? >> if you make a cartoon you can expect to get your face blown off. it is crazy. it is one thing to you know say you can't make fun of anybody. that's oppressing free speech. it is something you say you

can't make fun of this group because they will want to kill you. that's handling power to people who want to kill you and only to people who want to kill you. i don't see how people understand that. there were a lot of microaggressions. no, you can't. i don't know if anybody can say this stuff. it is ridiculous. >> the french newspaper had this one group that wanted to kill them. you know what this feels like except it was many groups. it is usually your audience after your terrible jokes fall flat. you are a performer. this is what you do for a living. you must have some strong feelings that are articulated well in your brain that you can probably formulate. >> did you get shorter since i have seen you last? listen, obviously you want the french government to clamp down and it would make the french government an arm of the extremist muslims. >> good point. >> and this goes back to the

picture of the crucifixion. the ap wanted to pull the peck tour. the ap said they don't want to be deliberately provocative with photos. they are called news photos. we don't want to provoke anybody. people are starting to cave and i think "the interview" and what happened with" the interview" and sony and theaters not showing it em boldened these people. they saw a caving to threats, and it gave them the umph to do this. >> the argument that if you show the photos you will endanger your co-workers. i said this on "the five." it is to the like they will pull back if you don't show the photos. they are already going to kill you. >> they are bad guys. you are so sweet. >> when they kidnap somebody from, i don't know from, you know wherever. did you show the photos or not? that's not going to be on the list. the cleric said -- he was quite honest about his view of islam.

if you slander islam, you die. at least he is being honest. he is not saying it is a religion of peace. >> that doesn't make it okay. >> i understand. that's the issue there. the thing is with these -- with the saterical -- saw tear cal -- we don't see any other groups from other religions having issues. so is it offensive? >> i am a big pope john paul fan girl and i saw him get attacked. >> i do hope with this next issue they are releasing it is not just specifically again this one group. i get that is why you want to do it. you want to direct it at them to say we are stronger and this is honoring the victims, but it should include everyone. that's what good satire is. it focuses on lots of different people. >> and blasheme -- blaspeme.

it is a faith that no one has to carry. one man's blasphemy is another man's belief. i will pause it. there is a theory i disagree with but i was thinking about this today. i was thinking about the movie big fan. i was thinking about what -- what if you took it out of the realm of religion and put it into sport? you are a rabid oakland raider fan. for years i am sitting there in cash dash i am constantly harassing you and telling you the raiders are awful. and then i taunt you and taunt you and i know are you crazy. i know are you crazy about the oakland raiders. and then finally say i am going to criminal you. kill you. >> i have talking points. >> i was trying to come at this from a different devil's advocate jie. is this a

two-part question. >> is it that bad of a question? >> no the thing is, as i said last night there is no -- there is no exception for religious belief. there is no exception for political beliefs and there is no exception for sports beliefs. it is the same thing. right now we have all of this but going around. i support free speech but -- then you don't support free speech. killing cartoonists is wrong but -- there is no but there. paul mccurio is a lousy comedian but -- >> i am right at the table. >> are you though? >> the moscow times had an article saying the main muslim leadership group says -- and they are doing the same thing. terrorism is indefensible, but they say perhaps the provocation is no less dangerous for the preservation of peace than those capable of succumbing to the provocation insulting the feelings of the faithful is unacceptable.

there is only one proper response and it is go [bleep] yourself. it is the only proper response. >> you could have not used the f-word. >> you have to. you [bleep] have to. >> that's four. >> you have to in a situation like this. another thing i pointed out this insane belief that insulting people's feelings is against the law. let's not pretend it is limited to muslim extremists. some people may end up killing people, but it is around. nick gillespie said a poll taken last fall 36% of americans support hate speech laws and 38% oppose them. this honestly scares me more than a terrorist attack. criminalizing offensive speech, europe has gone down that path. to me that is a far greater danger to freedom than terrorism. >> some of the networks they are caving to this. it is across the board. the other thing these extremists point to, certain parts of the koran they like

to bolster their point of view. the other part said thou shall not have a voice louder than the prophet. you can say when you are blowing people up over cartoons you have a voice louder than the prophet and not in the koran. >> are you a secret muslim. i knew it all the time. >> witnesses say these terrorists yelled "you can tell the media it is al-qaeda and yemen." you are clear that you are trying to spread fear throughout the world. this isn't just about religion. it is about an act of terror. >> the cartoon was kind of mean. >> they should have made t-shirts so they didn't have to yell that out. >> it saves a lot of time. >> do i have anything else to add? i think we have gone over it quite well. that hurts. the zoo said f-you. new york mayor bill de blasio famously fore shadowed the mess he made of the city by

dropping the staten island zoo's crawly critter who later died of internal injuries. that's right the mayor is a murderer. i believe we have tape of this or that. >> just laughing at the poor animals suffering. you make me sick and now the new york post says de blasio will not be allowed to hold the hog this year. that meant something elsewhere i came from. instead -- >> i got it right now. >> according to zoo sources the groundhog will be kept in a glass box during the ceremony where nobody can touch it. my parents did that to me when i was a kid.

nobody took the death harder than his best friend. >> that is like the end of a sitcom i would have watched when i was 12. >> i just hope the glue wears off. >> exactly. >> he was actually watching a dog fight. paul how has de blasio not been impeached yet? he may be the worst mayor ever. >> here is a guy who has been criticizing the police about brutality and he takes a photo op and turns it into an adorable crime scene. you can't blame the guy. he is just getting ready for his post mayoral life. he is 6-6 and he is playing

lenny "of mice and men." >> i get it. because he killed the animal like lenny. >> that animal is a [bleep]. he fell three feet. how do you die falling three feet? >> internal injuries. >> maybe arsenic poisoning. >> on its way down. true, it could have stopped on the way. katherine, he is -- isn't this a fore shadowing of how this was going to happen? shouldn't we have seen this coming from him the way the city is now? it all came from this. >> absolutely. right now the groundhog is the first person being protected from de blasio. it is not fair. i would like to be protected from de blasio. and also i don't think it is necessarily a coincidence that last year they let him hold it because it was a female groundhog. this year it is a male groundhog. the zoo is another institution of the patriarc key. >> yes, ma'am are vulnerable.

even the hedge hogs or hags. >> joe years ago when you were young under 30 you were ms. new york. how is it she cannot hold a zoo animal? >> i had visited the aspca once. i never held a puppy before. and so i am holding it for a photo op and this puppy is going to get out and it jumps out of my arms. we hope he didn't break his leg and thankful leahy didn't. it is i think one of the worst things to happen to your career honestly, if something happens to an animal. >> or a baby. >> and the last thing he needs to is for peta people to be against him. then the entire city will be against de blasio. >> that's why i never hold babies. >> i don't hold lily men.

andy, defend your hero mayor de blasio or bill as you call him. >> billy. it would be nice if everyone here could check the human privilege and look at it from the groundhog's perspective. do you think the groundhog wants to be touched by strangers? >> what if it does? >> i know what the groundhog wants. believe me. i know. >> we have no evidence that what happened last year with the groundhog was an accident. >> i agree. >> for all we know, de blasio has a deep seeded hatred of groundhogs and possibly all mormots or marmot. there is no proof either way. you have to do this for the safety of the groundhog. you saw what he did last year. he could snap again. you don't know. >> it could be a false flag operation. it could be a distraction. we were so focused on the dead hedge hog that we missed everything. >> i hear they have extra

security and they have it out for him. they said can i at least get him in a chokehold? >> but their arms aren't lung enough. their arms are tiny. >> silence is better than a courtesey laugh. >> don't not laugh at my joke. >> how dare you? oh my goodness. at least i am not shooting you. joe, you were saying something. >> that they have tiny arms. they can't actually fight anyone. >> that's true. >> they carry knives. >> do they? >> you never know. >> i have no idea. neil cavuto? more like neil cupido. they were married a few weeks ago. yay. we were cry whg we heard the news. they met on a certain 4:00 p.m. business show on fox newschannel. neil had the couple on to throw their love and happiness in our faces. >> you know, i can add match maker to my resume.

they met as guests on my fox business show, and now, of course, i want to know why i wasn't invited to the wedding. we are going to find out. >> he is hitting that? >> cable restrictions prevent us from showing what they did on top of neil's desk. "red eye" has been a match maker over the years. quite a number of guests have met on the show and ended up together like john bolton and skunk baxter. their love grew like an unkempt mustache. another couple who met on "red eye," paul mecurio and the love bot. i still think the love bot could have done better. and these two. we can't tell them apart and i reserve the right to tear them apart. it was a little cat and a giant horse. it was quite awkward to see them make love. coming up -- >> it gets me excited. >> i bet it does, paul.

>> shrinky dink child playthings is science meant to warp our minds. first, are long lines at women's restrooms sexist? that's why i order everything on-line.

is the lavatory discriminatory? a female activist, aren't they all, blown the lid off the tierney of toilets. that's the subject of tonight's -- >> is this sexist? >> i can't find my sign. writing for "time" magazine -- serea? >> that is sexist right there. >> says the fact that the women's bathrooms have longer lines than men is

discrimination that favors men's bodies needs and experiences. she points out that years of potty parody laws that require equal space for women's bathrooms haven't made a difference. she notes that women need the bathroom more often and for longer periods of time because of the difference in bodily functions as well as reproductive stuff. she adds women aren't standing in line because we bond over toilet paper pattern or because we are nare saw cystic and -- nare saw cystic and vein. we are standing in line because our bodies like those of trans and year people have been historically shamed and deemed unworthy of care and acknowledgment. thank you "time." if you think the women's line is long, check out the line for the guinea pig bathroom.

>> richard gear is in the front there. katherine, you are laughing at that? are you kidding me? >> i don't understand. >> katherine this is like your area of expertise. you are anexpertist. that's a great word! what do you make -- women are attaching the word man to a lot of things. man-splaining. >> man spreading. >> wait that's a different story. >> man's bathroom. >> this was such a long piece. it was so long. and it is like, okay cool but what now? what does she want people to do. she will shutdown every building, shut them down and rebuild them so the women's bathrooms are bigger. we have people in line for the bathroom cite the building

and close it down. are they finding things to complain about? you are writing a bigillion things. >> i have seen a women's bathroom. if you have seen them -- >> why? >> sometimes -- by the way recently in an airport you know how the bathrooms go around -- i did walk into the women's bathroom and walked almost all the way to the end before i realized it was packed by women jie. and no one was threatened by you at all. >> i am charming and i ran full speed out my pot is your bathroom is this. it has always been better. it has always been cleaner. what she is talking about is a biological imperative. it will never change. >> you can get attention from feminist internet if you write something like this. you discovered something else that is sexist awesome way to go. that's pretty much all it has

to be about. you can't look for a solution, so what are you doing? trying to prove that you are not as culturally aware as i am. i am noticing more things that are sexist. i am so annoyed, shut up. >> it is another i am a victim part -- i am the victim mosaic. >> joanne you are a woman. >> she knows how to take a compliment. >> you did kill a puppy once. >> it is still alive. >> it is inside her, a demon puppy. you must have thought about this because you knew we were doing this story for a few hours. you like to come up with solutions. sometimes they are dangerous solutions. >> this solution is actually is patience is a virtue. waiting in line makes us the kinder, gentler species. but this isn't sexism. it is a fact of life.

life isn't fair. it is a give and take. the man's line might be shorter, but we get to sit down for a little bit. >> that's true. you have resting areas in your bathroom. >> we do. >> men pee on the toilet seat. we do. >> we all have to look at the positives. in every situation there are positives. some people don't want to see them. >> they want to complain. it is feminism and it makes you look strong. >> women want to fix this problem do what men do. don't wash your hands. you are in and you are out. and the other thing is take the urinals out of the -- mix them and babies can happen. >> lines were never a problem with you at your shows are they? >> in the bathroom they are. >> did you see what i did there. >> usually people are going in the bathroom to do lines. >> i thought they were going

to flush themselves down the toilet. >> i am trying to be nice. >> it didn't work. >> was that your opinion? >> shut up. don't laugh. i say open up the men's bathroom to women. i wouldn't be off fended if you came strolling in. >> here is the issue notice when they have nongender single bathrooms with locks the ones that take forever have women in them. it ends up hurting everybody. like socialism. we have to punish them all. >> it should not take -- i am married and i have a wife. there is a trap door. she is in and she is out. it is like the fire planes that drop the -- why does it take so long? >> that is a metaphor over my head. >> i know what he means, but i don't want to discuss it anymore. andy, are you a feminist, a proud feminist. what is the solution to the problem? >> it is simple, actually. the same physical space for a

women's bathroom and a men's bathroom doesn't mean equal places to handle your business. urinals take up more space. her solution is make the women's bathroom bigger. you candice agree with that. you can disagree with that. it is not rocket science. on the other hand, let's not pretend that women aren't chatting it up in there. >> i actually hate that. i say i have to go to the bathroom and it is like an invitation. >> not while you are in the stall. the line is form the stall. >> maybe sexing it up a little bit? >> men avoid the line by using things that weren't meant as urinals. if weep need to improvise -- if women need to improvise adapt and overcome. >> and isn't the argument if you want the bathroom to be bigger and treated equally men are not being treated equally if their bathroom is bigger three times the size?

>> not if it has the same number of places to go to the bathroom. >> you have the same number of stalls and bath toilets in men's and womens. >> you don't because you have urinals. >> urinals count as toilets. >> can twitter get you toilet paper? i would say yes. first, a word from our sponsor. >> tonight's sponsor is the mobile shower. a hot shower feels good. now you don't have to with the mobile shower. stay warm and stay clean with the mobile shower.

he sent a desperate tweet from a toilet seat. i am talking about a teen who ran out on the way from glass cow to scotland. when 16-year-old adam greenwood realized his dire situation he tweeted, i just had a reasonably large poo and there is no toilet roll left on the 9:30 train to glasgow. please send help. then the train's twitter account responded saying which coach, adam? a train worker brought him a fresh roll. >> this is a happy end willing. ending. the magical moment was caught on the train's security camera.

>> that is like a cactus-ciyle. -- -- >> katherine, this may be the next wave of social media. the idea that you can -- if you need something, you simply go on twitter and it is almost like you are turning social networks into amazon. isn't that what is happening? >> except he is poop tweet kid for the rest of his life. >> before that he was nothing. >> maybe he peaked. this is the peak and he says remember when i was the kid on tv wearing the sweater? that was the best day of my life. i think like the article said, it is so hard to use the bathroom on the train with the complicated flushing systems already. i got stuck on that part. is it complicated or is it just that i am a genius? >> i would stick to the idea of this transforming of the social media.

>> it is the op -- opposite. >> i tweeted i didn't have my seatbelt on on a delta flight and they tweeted back, you better put your seatbelt on. i said maybe if it wasn't a federal regulation i wouldn't i don't like you bossing me around. i am on a watch list. >> you showed them. >> this is neat. the idea of being helped by twitter could be a new service. >> this is wrong on every level. >> it is like a super hero. >> his logic is flawed. he didn't want to go out of the bathroom and let a few people know he didn't have toilet paper. so instead he let the entire world know. think of the social media scorecard here. in egypt they use social media to unseat an unjust government and in scotland they are using it to wife themselves. >> to each his own. >> if you could use your phone if you ran out.

>> that's terrible. awful. by the way, most phones are unsan terry. unsanitary. is it fake? >> this is a hoax. they are just trying to get some good publicity. i didn't know virgin did trains. >> i didn't either. >> i think i took the virgin train. >> anyway. shut up. i didn't mean it that way. >> it is a hoax and very convenient for them. >> did it involve yes, gerbils? >> go ahead. >> i lost my train of thought. i love tweeting at companies. i love even more when i get a reply, but i just complain tweet . this line in atlantic city is way too long for check in. no one answers me. >> they used to answer me and then they just stopped. they just said tim. he has a lot of followers but it is him.

this is what i call amazon on steroids. i need a back rub and i need this and i need that. drones come in. this is it. this is something in which everybody candy maned something and everybody else can -- can demand something and everybody else can supply it. i did something on the train and after the fourth time they made me leave. first of all sacrifice your underwear. >> andy. >> i'm serious in an emergency? >> if you are not wearing any. >> or if you are flexible enough use the sink as a bodega. >> these are not solutions. >> i am with what's her name over here, the puppy killer. this is a great viral marketing campaign. >> i say put your pants on. this has happened to me at the house. you have to go to another room to get toilet paper. go to the cafe cart. get napkins and then go back as you do your thing.

>> what is the smell in the cafe cart? >> i am dying of cancer by the way. >> we are dying from you. >> he killed and then almost -- >> why did you put killed sph sph it is a serious story. a comedian was beat with a bat while hosting an open mic. he was on stage at the local 907 club when a man rushed the stage and bludgeoned him twice. a witness described the attacker. >> he was inning swinging again. he had every intention of trying to kill him. >> an artistic interview. >> >> i want to be in the shadow. >> he knew he suffered a fractured skull and a double concussion and actually knew

his assailant. steve baldwin, a baldwin brother, was banned because the scene involved sex toys. bill thought it was hilarious. >> it was offensive on every level. there was no joke told and nothing human yous about it. >> i like when people say offensive on every level. i don't even know what that means. paul -- the reason i find this interesting is comedians are an unusual breed in that they take it so -- they take this stuff so seriously. have you ever been in a fight with another comedian? >> a fist fight? >> any fight? >> in an argument, yes i got in an argument, but in this case there are a lot of things wrong. first of all, i can understand why he couldn't get stage time. the other thing is it was like a tuesday night and he cooperate get stage time at an open mic night at a union hall. you know how bad you have to be? >> due? do you?

>> i will hit you with that. i will turn the jib on you. jack, come to my defense and stop looking at the phone. >> they should know who these people are. they worked on on the show for years. >> they don't like you pa you will. it doesn't matter. they are never going to like you. >> i knew it. you only get excited to pick on me. >> you pretend you are a regular. >> this guy knows what i'm talking about. this guy knows. >> it will be great. paul is walking home one night and sees them walking and says hey guys. he just beats the crap out of them. >> jack and matt, are you not supposed to be laughing at that. you a-holes.

>> katherine, thoughts on this or any story. >> i love the interest view. the guy he said he tried to murder him and by the way, his act, it is not funny at all. he tried to kill me and he is also not funny. he tried to kill me and he is not even funny. >> if he was hit by say steven wright, that would have been different. have i gone to you, young lady? >> it is moments like these that canadians say it is a shame they don't have health insurance. you don't see something like this coming. >> they actually tried to do that. they actually tried to have a union and it failed because comedians couldn't come together on anything. >> there you go. >> all of his friends are apparently trying to raise money. that's awful that he has to then pay this. >> he has a hell of a stitch on his head in that picture. this is the worst kind of heckling, andy. >> it really is. >> words are one thing, but why violence?

>> it is not cool. >> when i first saw this story about the comedian i had the same reaction as america. please let it be paul mecurio. >> can i have my 20 bucks? >> i am joking, paul. most of america doesn't know who you are. >> we have to take a break. i am glad i picked that story. anyway, i hope he gets well. it is good he is alive. we are going to talk about stressful jobs. i have one. "not cool" order one. back in a moment. first, here is what is coming up tomorrow on "the independent." >> hi, guys tomorrow night i will ask one of the burning questions of our time. what is worse, an economic hang over or a hang over from alcohol?

>> i would say economic one. >> we will spend money on a lot of booze and find out ourselves.

sit up straight. >> which career has more fear? job site career.com ranked the most stressful jobs in and the top five are firefighter yum-yum enlisted military personnel, military general, airline pilots and

police officers. no surprise. and then it is actor broadcaster event coordinator photo journalist and greg gutfeld's personal back waxer. the least stressful job are hair stylist audio -- >> audiologist and university professor which is no surprise. were you as surprised as i was? >> i was surprised at you scoffing at event coordinator. >> it is not just a risk of harm. it is certain harm. you will be emotionally abused as an event coordinator. they hire these people to have somebody to blame. i would hate to be the one who forgot the diet coke full of middle aged women and it is all of your fault. i'm sure they have more xanax prescriptions over firefighters and cops and whatever the third one is combined. >> i didn't see that one coming. what is more stressful being

a comedian or not being a comedian? >> i am sitting next to you? you know, the person who has the least stressful job is the person that creates this list every year. >> that's true. >> a cop a military person firefighter, clearly the most stressful jobs. yeah, see the list, cop firefighter, i am done. >> mailed it in. >> the point is these professes -- professions the most trustful are the most heroic. >> big risk big return. >> i like the new voice. you should be on fbn. >> that's my broadcast voice. >> what do the stocks look like? >> bull market bull market. the bear is coming. i have no idea. they left one out. server. or bartender. >> that's on my list. >> it should definitely be on there. not only are you dealing withç hungry people who treat you like slaves, but you have

management who is breathing down your neck and do nothing. when managers do anything to help you -- >> unless you go home with them. then they will help you. >> you are doing cocaine with the bartender. >> one minute. andy? >> most stressful job is pging pging -- managing servers. i find it hard believing being a broadcaster is more stressful than being a coal miner. it strikes me as wrong. it is stressful putting a tv show together every day or every couple days whatever we do. but, i'm sorry photo journalists are -- as i learned, they are all hot women. every photo journalist is a hot woman. automatically not stressful. >> you know what is not stressful? being a cool miner. coming up, "red eye" goes to space.

this is a fox news alert. i'm patricia stark in new york. new developments at this hour on the manhunt for the terrorists behind wednesday's masacre at the offices of a paris newspaper. just a short time ago a french security official revealed that the two suspects have

stolen a car and are on the move again. there are also reports that shots were fired during the theft. and are you now looking at new video of an apparent car chase involving police and the suspects. all of this is happening in a small town some 30 miles northeast of paris. the suspects have been the focus of an intense manhunt since wednesday following the murders of 12 people at the offices of the magazine "charlie hebdo." the cartoonists were apparently targeted for murder because of their publications about the muslim faith. the suspected it gunmen, french brothers reportedly have ties to al-qaeda factions. bill gaff ven, the former assistant director in new york joins us now on the phone. bill, what can you tell us? >> this is a very, very dangerous situation at this point in time. if in fact they have found these two brothers and shots have been fired and if it is a car chase as you well know

and you have seen probably thousands of them on tv this becomes a dangerous situation. for the police and for individuals that can be on the street at that particular time. i think there is still some confusion that is coming -- >> they reportedly entered a small business in a village. they may have taken some hostages we are hearing. what can you tell us bill? >> i heard that as well. i heard that maybe a hostage was taken during the time they took a car, but it will have to see how it plays out. it is still such a fluid situation. they want to make sure that they have the right team and that it is in fact the two brothers involved in the murders. >> yeah. do you know when this chase began? >> no, i don't. it appears some of the chase began north -- northwest, up by the airport, and it is

occurring at that point in time right now. but it is a fluid situation and everybody will have to wait and see how it plays out. >> and what is the best way in your opinion to approach this as far as staying on and keeping it safe for everybody? >> they is have to play it out. they won't say it is too dangerous for a chase. we will let these guys go and pick them up somewhere else. that will not happen. they will stay with them the best they can. the weather it appears is not in the best conditions for overhead surveillance as well. it is a very difficult situation at this particular point in time. it. >> and it looks like it is raining pretty heavy there right now. >> it is. >> and what else do you think might be happening prior to this?

were there reports of them being seen? what lead to the chase? >> i think there was a vehicle and a shooting with police. it is so saturated in that area with law enforcement and with military. there is not too much that is going to go on that will separate the activity from police. they are all over the place. that's probably what precipitated it. >> whatever they ended up doing at whatever point in time, there is plenty of police and military out there looking for them is basically what you are saying. >> it is true and there is no way something will happen and they will have to wait a half an hour for the police to act because of remoteness or anything else. that place is saturated. the last i heard was in the vicinity of 80,000 people involved law enforcement and

military, in this whole operation. there are a lot of people present. this is a related insurance department with the two brothers and hopefully it ends well for the police and the public. not too concerned how it ends for the subjects themselves. >> yes. so this -- we have not necessarily confirmed that the two people that they are chasing right now are in fact those brothers correct? >> i don't think that lock has been made yet, but there is a good supposition there. >> i think with so many that you mentioned 80,000 people on the lookout and basically swarming through france to be on the lookout for these two suspects i can imagine whatever direction they are headed in the odds are good that somebody is waiting ahead or this could do a barricade or cut them off at the pass if you will. >> that's true. the problem that exists right now is the bure pho location

is they may have a hostage with them. that would persuade or guide police as to how they would make a spot. >> former director of the fbi in new york, appreciate your help this evening. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> have a good night. as we told you earlier earlier they reportedly entered a small village northeast of paris and they have taken hostages. there is reportedly a shootout underway. for the latest on the manhunt in france we are joined by fox news correspondent who is live on the phone. greg, what can you tell us? >> we are watching the latest reports and hearing from our contacts and it appears a resolution might be closer than we think. the french media is reporting that the french police and the soldiers and the anti-terror police, a lot of people up there, about 25 miles to the northeast of paris are involved in an intense

shootout with two individuals in a small business and an industrial park. the word is that they used -- the individuals have taken at least one hostage in this business. there are helicopters overhead. there are more reinforcements being rushed to this town. again we are waiting for confirmation that the two main suspects in the brutal shooting to death of 12 individuals on wednesday here in paris are the suspects we are -- the police are looking for but it has all of the hallmarks of being exactly that. because this location is about a 30-minute drive from the last place it is believed that the suspects have been spotted. and that was yesterday morning when they robbed a gas station of food and of