thanks for watching "the >> nah for watching the kelly file special taking on terror. i am martha kellum in for megyn kelly. >> it is goliath. it's so big and scary. what chance does david have? today davids all over the world are crushed by goliath government. >> hundreds drop activists to the ground. >> farmers entrepreneurs. goliath says. >> not properly regulated. >> goliath takes some of it home. >> can david defeat goliath? that's our show tonight. >> and now, john stossel. >> today in america goliath no

longer looks like that. these days he is more likely to wear a tie and carry a clip board. they have to nerve trying to use a buck to run a business. tour guides flower sellers are surprised to find themselves against a bureaucrat who says no you may not some are fortunate to find health that takes it for free. they sue the government when government really crosses the line. one of the lawyers is jeff roads. most americans like licensing. they think we license dogs we license drivers. they think it makes us safer. >> that's just not true. >> it is not true they like it or it makes a statement?

>> they don't like it and it doesn't make us safer. that's a myth right up there with big foot. there's not a lick of empirical evidence that says it provide us with better product or better service. >> makes sense you license a doctor you makes sure you know what he is doing or a den stis or flower seller. what if they deliver flower that is are about to die and the parties reck. >> the calamity. who can image it? >> if they are a doctor it could be a calamity. >> nobody in america has ever gotten a bad flour or had an issue with a doctor and said i am going to spearhead a licensing movement. you know where licensing comes from is the regulated industries themselves. they love licensing because it is a barrier of entry. when you create barriers to entry you drive prices up and keep people out. you clobber competitors and funnel money out. >> give me an example. >> they live across lake

ponchatrain they hand make caskets and want to sell them to the faithful. >> selling a box. >> state of louisiana says you are a criminal. that's a criminal conspiracy. why? only state licensed funeral directors were allowed to sell casket boxes. you can't keep people from selling boxes just to make established funeral directors rich. >> it wasn't the politicians who on their own did this, it is the established funeral directors who go to government and get goliaths to push the little guy out. >> tell you what, the monks aren't let tig gus they are men of god and peaceful. what they tried to do in 2008 and 2010 they went to their legislators and they were clobbered by the funeral lobby. >> they are organized and rich. >> you cannot get -- like the ordinary citizen cannot go to the government and get the law changed. special interests can't and thees why we need it to protect

us. >> they giet government when they confiscate property from people accused of breaking law. this is called civil forfeiture which sounds boring and it is outrageous as the video explains. >> welcome to the forfeiture machine. simple forfeiture is when they cease property they suspect is san sfektedconnected to the crime. they will provide you an attorney if you can't afford one. if the occupy side down world of civil forfeiture it's your property that gets charged you must prove that it isn't guilty. nowhere is the civil forfeiture machine another active than in philadelphia. >> what is happening in philadelphia? >> what the police do is they think property is connected to a crime whether you yourself are guilty they don't have to charge you much less convict you have a crime. they take people's houses. they take people's houses because a relative may have gone out in the street and sold a

tiny amount of drugs. the police will swoop in and want to cease the house and we are putting a stop to it. >> in some wayses you are. it is still going on nationwide. goliath in this case isn't trying to punish people they are considering criminals. they have this extra incentive. >> when the police cease things they get to keep the money. they can use it for salaries for trips and i will tell you what if you look at the way police behave, you can do one of two things as a police officer you can cease a carful of drugs or sell the drugs and cease a car full of money. what side do you think they put stings up on? the side of the highways where they are leading with cars pull of money not the sides where they are coming into town with cars full of drugs. if a criminal does bad things i don't care if he loses property. if forfeiture innocent people get punished. >> jackie lives in a modest

house with her three grandchildren. one day the police raised jackie's oldest grandson outside of her home for selling a small amount of marijuana. there were no drugs inside and jackie has never been in trouble with the law yet philadelphia now wants to forfeit and sell jackie's home. they ask if she wants to settle by giving up her home for half of the sales price. born down she accepts it's not fair it's not right but there's no telling when this nightmare will end. >> she gives up her home because she is worn down. i shortedened the video so you don't understand why she is worn down. >> they have this weird court where they have you keep coming and coming again sometimes they ask for documents something new one day they say we go will give you

your property back but we want half of it. they slug their shoulders and say we will take what we can get. >> if they miss a meeting it is over. >> that's right. one of the things we are doing is not attacking for profit it is fundamentally unconstitutional but getting rid of the range ruekangaroo courts. >> you represent jockey she already lost her house? >> yes. >> how can you help out? >> we have other clients. what will we are moving on in philadelphia is to get property back. we want to break the locks off the homes and give the homes back to the people. that's what we are doing. >> last case. arkansas orthodontist offers to clean teeth. >> kids don't have insurance you

don't get dentistry every day offer cleanings for a third of the price. if you clean teeth we are going to take your orthodontist license away. the most prominent in the state you have 100 employees and the government says i am going to give you the license if you keep giving safe inexpensive cleanings. >> it is not that the price is low but they only swooped in after he lowered the price. >> exactly. >> that tells you something about what the government is really interested in and the kind of interests that are driving the government. >> thank you jeff. let's hear from other entrepreneurs some davids who were not lucky enough to get a free lawyer from the institute for justice. in virginia environmental inspectors came to the house they searched inside all of the house even closets. this woman is one of these. the asking if i can look

in the closet. it's a yes or no closet. is there something in it i can't see? >> it has to do with individual personal and property >> it has to do with individual property rights. >> i would think individuals have those rights. the farmer is joined here by marty kolis who runs breweries in north carolina. they sold their own beer at their own restaurants. state regulators told you no they were not. >> there was a prohibition we weren't aware of that said you couldn't own a brewery and a restaurant. >> this is an old prohibition era law to protect the customers. >> they say it is to protect the public but it is really to protect the contributors. >> they have friendly relationships with the politician. >> it is one of the best lobbyists in the nation. >> i notice you taped out something on the bottle here the big pounder.

>> pig pounder yes. >> ugly name but i guess if people want it. what are you taping out? oo it is all out the back it is not allowed on a beer battle. if it is a beer bottle it is allowed. >> you spent 100,000 on lawyers trying to solve this? >> yes. and we are not done yet. >> you bought the property that is now your farm from an environmental group correct? >> yes. >> it is not unusual we rule areas families acquire properties that have this on them. it has agricultural easement on it. the environment allouezment have become a government by proxy. they wanted to install 24/7

video surveillance to see what we were doing every day. >> why? is you must have made them mad. >> what they have done is exceeded authority. they don't agree to have their closets inspected toilets and bathroom to have their laundry photographed to have personal private possessions photographed. this particular land trust really has violated and trespassed and far exceeded anything that would permit them to do this. my question is what does what is in my closet have to do with the environment? >> it is not just the environmental groups they get cozy with the government. the county came in and found you in violation for having a birthday party for 10-year-old girls. >> it was my childhood dream to have a farmer we worked hard to get the farm. i never dreamed in a million years there would be miles and miles of readd tape and regulation. i had a birthday party for

810-year-old girls next thing i knew i had a threatening violation in my county that threatened us 15,000 a day in violations and we would need to have a site plan a special exception permit administrative permit full-blown hearings among with other things to be able to sell what we produce on the farm to have a birthday party or carve pumpkins in our pumpkin patch. >> because part of your farm is tourist attraction. you have emus here. you sale the meat? >> no but we sell the eggs. we have 275 animals. we free the community to the farm to experience a small working farm. >> i am a beekeeper. >> we have llamas and alpacas and goats. >> you charge money for things. >> i do. i do. being able to sell what you produce on the farm in the fruit of your labor that goes back to the beginning of time.

it is heartbreaking to have the county come in and shut us down from what the farmers have been doing forever. >> three armed sheriffs show up? >> they interrogate students for our farm. >> what do you mean interrogated? >> they wanted to know what we were doing on the farm wanted to know where they lived asked them a series of questions. it is a it is a private property working farm and we should be able as a family to have anybody we want to come visit and if it is students volunteering what business is that of the government to intervene. >> i would think no business. maybe that's why martha's story has kind of a happy ending. one of the protest songs about how she sold good products until -- >> ♪

>> they did strike a blow for freedom the virginia legislature poosed a law making it clear that the zoning rules allow farming. you are also allowed to make money from your farms. you have won. >> they want to work hard and make ends meet and be viable on the land and gets closer to tv with little government intervention. >> just a little bit closer doesn't solve the problem sfl>> there are still barriers it prevents the county from coming in and acquiring all kind of permits and fees. >> you know about this. i now knwere surprised when you made beer and you have restaurants i will sell my beer at my restaurants. >> yeah. it doesn't make any sense. i am a free market guy.

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. >> we have to take money for licenses get finger printed get commercial insurance. >> she is upset about ride sharing companies like uber. it takes away some of the customers who don't follow all of the regulations in her town. nevada's response to that was to ban uber. the company has been valued up to $40 million. it sounds like a goliath. the truth is unlike government uber can't use force. the company got big only because it is better. it is banned in thailand, spain, massachusetts and nevada.

it doesn't follow all of the government rules. >> it is creating a situation where it is a free for all where they can charge what they want do whatever routes they want. what is wrong with that? if the customer doesn't like it they don't have to lose uber. even though goliath says we need all of the regulations to keep you from being ripped off it is not like endless rules stop rip-offs. they have a cozy relationship with the existing taxi industry and for years tourists complained las vegas cabbies rip us off by taking us to the strip by a roundabout group. i learned more about this from a blog post by blake ross the founder of fire fox. he writes a cabbie ripped him off and added about 10 bucks to the fare. one in three cabbies do that in las vegas under cover cops

tested them. goliath responded the way they usually do with complex rules and warnings. ross calls it a five point plan. plan a people with guns. police checked out a roadside checkpoint. cops stopped them at random and oh offed to prosecute drivers who went random roots. it didn't work tourists didn't want to spend their vacation in court. the chief investigator said only 3 passengers choose to press complaint they wanted to get to their hotel. da. >> plan b, big sign. each enumerates proper taxi fares for every conceivable trip. using twice as many words as it took ronald reagan to tear down the berlin wall. almost as long. it took the taxi cab authority two years to put up the sign. all things take time in

government says the administrator administrator. even then that effort proved pointless only 7 percent read the plan. they put up plan c cheating was worse than ever. plan d the pdf goliath asks you to printout the long route voluntary witness statement. complete the sworn affidavit in the view of a public notary. they have insider tips when taking a cab in vegas carry a desk cop computer printer envelope stamps a fax machine and a notary. note the driver's full name and physical appearance if you don't have the information recommend rised ask the driver while you are locked in the taxi with him. explain you are trying to have him fired. remember to bring $10 to pay the notary to explain you have been

charged over $10. he tried out the government system when ripped off in vegas but never heard back from any one. that's goliath at work. finally government plan e the taxi cab authority voted to convene a committee they will draw guidelines for the software package. you will pay for the increase in tax he fairs which you are already double priced. they banned uber but uber already had the solution to the problem with drivers who cheat. it is on the uber app customers give the driver one star. simple better. vegas officials goliath kicked the company out of town.

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. >> help me, >> help me. please. >> that's video of austin texas police officers videoing them pulling a woman out of the car. a bystander took these still pictures of the event. he thought the police were abusing the women. who is right? who is david and who is goliath in the situation? did the police abuse that woman or did the man who confronted the police abuse under paid civil servants who risk their lives trying to keep us safe? with police officers being shot it is not always clear who is david and who is goliath.

tsz clear to him he was a by and arred in the video you say there is no question the police are goliath? >> yes. they can commit crimes they can kill people and get away with it. >> commit crimes they can't get away with that? >> they have in my case. they abused a woman who did not pull -- >> it was a dui. >> they pulled her out of the vehicle and abused her. i tried to ask questions take pictures they got in my face and falsely charged me with a felony crime i did not commit. >> this is where i think your argument is best our best protection against the people we empower to i am prison us is the camera. it is legal every where in america to photograph the police doing their jobs. but lots of people get raised for that and the cops who do it to my knowledge never get

punished. in your case the austin police said you spat on me. you are resisting arrest. >> even though we had numerous witnesses step forward to say that was a lie we had audio and video they continued to push my charges against me. it took 15 mnts for it to go to the grand jury on which they indicted me on four new charges. >> two years finally you got a jury trial and jury said let him go? >> it was 2 years and nine months before we took it to trial and took that long to get the dash cameras. i was found not guilty. >> one of the austin cops testified for you. >> he crossed the line and he was fired once he told his commanders he was going to testify. >> you call yourself a police accountability activist? >> i do that on the side. my main job is education. >> you have been arrested a

bunch of times taken pictures. >> i have been arrested every time every time i was filming the police. >> to defend the police they go into these situations they are scared they don't know who is in the car if they are armed. some people hate the police. cops have been killed. they are being nervous and careful. >> cops have a relatively safe job safer than pilots construction workers sanitation workers. >> i think we have a chart on this. this is remarkable. they often say we should get paid more because our job is dangerous it is much less dangerous than fishing or farming or being a roofer a garbage man. >> every life that is lost police officers volunteer for jobs to carry the risk of violence the people they abuse doesn't volunteer for that. >> they do go into the situation scared the fisherman and the logger don't.

there is an extra element of fear in police work. >> well, i think a lot of that fear is self generated. they tell themselves they are victims they are the ones being targeted. >> you are saying there are certain things the public should know when dealing with the police officer. >> by filming a police you can help save the life. you can provide the evidence that will exonerate the person. the act of filming police change the behavior of the police to where they are more likely to respect the dignity of the people people they are interacting with. >> you have to not interfere. >> the distance depends on the situation. when we film police in areas downtown we will get 15-10 feet to them. there are people walking within a couple feet of them. they don't ever seem to be concerned or scared of the random passerbier they are only scared of the people with cameras. >> you have a right to film the lice.

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. john: thank goodness for the environmental protection >> thank goodness for the environmental protection agency. good work epa now i think epa should stand enough for enough protection already. the air is cleaner than it has been in 60 years. goliath never stopped. the epa still has 16,000 bureaucrats who always want to do more. candidate barack obama says the editorial board at the newspaper. >> if someone wants to build the plant they can.

it will bankrupt them because they are going to be charged a huge sum. >> now that he is president the epa moved to do that. the davis story is like coyote he's leader of montana's crow nation. your tribe members dig coal out of the ground? >> for the last 40er yaos we have been mining colon a reservation. we own 90 billion coal. >> coal produces lots of greenhouse gases. if you worry global warming is a problem it might be what you do is the biggest part of that problem. >> maybe the president is right and you guys should just stop. >> if there is an alternative for us right now, you know, with 47 percent unemployment rate on the reservation without coal in the picture in the mix we will be basically almost 100 percent

unemployment rate on the reservation 13,000 on the reservation for the last 40 years it has been our bread and butter. >> they said this is our bread and butter they said get some welfare programs. >> they went to the epa back in 2006 we went to their agency and said we are going to shut down the mine. you can go to the department of interiors and look for welfare programs to be utilized. we are not here for randouts. he with want to utilize national resources to help our people and we don't want to go to the government and ask for handouts. that is not what we are going to do. epa isn't giving us the alternative to our families.

people like you are special interests who exaggerate the harm regulation it will bring. >> special interests and allies in congress will claim these guidelines will kill jobs and crush the economy. let's face it that's what they always say. >> you are exaggerating. >> we are not special interest groups we are a group of people that are trying to make a living with 'ole and mining of coal. i look at these pictures of what you do. people say strip mining destroys the earth. we ought to get rid of it. >> the reclamation work has been getting word for having reclamation. >> it means you restore the land. >> restore the land. you will find wild game elk.

it is better than it was before. a lot of people have this -- >> better than before? >> better than it was because we put in the native plants. all of the animals you have coal mine and beer running into the pit. the reclamation is better work than it was before. >> thank you. i hope the crow nation finds a way to pros ter without interior department handouts. coming up a goliath nastier than the epa a communist government. >> knock activists to the ground and drag dozens away. ♪

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>> in america goliath often has opportunity sometimes arrests people unfairly but we get to vote for our goliath. in other countries david can't eneven do that. >> police go head to head with pro democracy demonstrators. >> knocked activists to the ground and dragged dozens away.

>> (indiscernible) >> they want to vote for their leaders. where can davids and the rest of the leaders get help when they want the he rights so many of us take advantage. they can turn to this group. >> welcome to the atlas metnetwork. there are more than 400 organizations that is just the beginning. we operate not only in english and spanish but in more than a dozen languages total in more than 80 countries. >> brad lifts is the ceo of atlas network. you don't run these think tanks you just support them. >> at ras networks trains support fosters collaboration among 400 organizations worldwide that hold up these principles of individual liberty and free enterprise. you can understand the people that are attracted to this work

are putting at risk their lives their fortune sacred honor very much like our founding fathers. >> you have people that sometimes smuggle in sub versive books into these countries. >> true. back in the before the iron curtain there were materials getting into what was then the soviet union. now we can operate more freely in most parts of the world. >> in china? >> china is an interesting case. one of our partners is headed to jail for doing the kind of works you and i would think is patriotic work working in civil society to put forward an optimistic view of where the chinese people would be. we have a goliath to use your very apt med fore thier. >> let's talk about hong kong

right next to the president. they made a deal to turn it over to the chinese. they said it will be special we will let it have capitalism and eventually we will let them vote for their leaders. >> citizens of long kong are supposed to be able to vote for their own chief executive in 2017. china is saying you can vote but only among our hand selective nominees. why would anybody leave them in the first place. there is this idea of two systems one country. the economic liberties they have made it a beak xon of capitalism of the year. i think so many average citizens taking to the streets recognizing what they had was special. they just don't want to be another part of communist china.

there are a few entrepreneurs one is jimmy by cnn reporting one of them do be aslave. why he choose that headline. >> we want to have the freedom. we want to the democracy we are entitled to. that is what we are fighting for. >> he was born in china had nothing. he receive add clock lat bar from a stranger instead of lose changement the taste of chocolate made him realize there was something better out there. he worked his way up backecame the rupert murdock of hong kong.

he is so free principled he is taking a public stand now. >> he gives the money to the occupied central movement. i ate that they use that ookccupy term. the occupy movement in america is often so stupid. libertarians have second thoughts about putting all our eggs in this that has just about voted. oo hasn't right. the organizations that we work with in hong kong called the lion rock insurance titute. they have been focused on these types of radioeforms. >> it made people prosper. >> they move in the quality so many things can empower goliath when it is miss ususemisuseed by the government. >> put tin is our goliath of the time. >> when you see friends in the

ukraine they see putin as the external goliath. he is trying to phone that conflict create instability so the ukraine will fail. he's lik sees a toy he can't have and wants to see it destroyed rather than have it enjoyed by someone else. the real challenge for ukraine's it was the best choice on the ballot. >> they have a lockng history of goliath and nast illy shutting people down. >> they have instruction and krohnism that is going to be difficult to reverse. >> whennian cove vich had power last year they treated the company like their own piggy bank. it is a zoo and an ostrich absurd things like that.

when whether the current leadership can find the political will the palms under took in 1999 in 2005 tough medicine can hurt in the short term they require a lot of political will. >> the caster brothers say america's goliath people there suffer because america imposed sanctions on cuba. >> they were designed to weaken the castros in one way they became stronger. half a century the brothers told the people a david and goliath story that only communism could save them from suffering imposed the united states. >> that was a slick pr campaign. they talk about how can we prosper. there's no embargo around cuba they can buy stuff from spanish speaking countries nearby.

>> maybe in cuba maybe tenured professors in brown. they are unfettered from the united states would have made cuba prosperous. >> i look forward to the day when it gets open to criticizing in cuba. we are not there yet. >> atlas network 400 think tanks 80 countries fighting for liberty. >> coming up how we libertarians are a lot like david.

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. john: unfortunately, when it >> unfortunately when it comes to politics i am a little david. i am a libertarian. in this country democrats and republicans dominate. libertarians sometimes get stomped on. i get trashed by bill o'reilly riley. >> i know you are a libertarian but don't be a loon. >> there are some people on the other side like libertarian side john stossel. >> he's a loon. libertarians that smoke pot all day doesn't work. >> he is one of many people who dismiss libertarians. i get clueless comments like that all of the time.

dismissal with a sneer. we don't have to argue with you libertarians you are so loony. excuse me it was libertarians who wrote this. constitution that limits government made america success possible. all of the republicans and democrats still get most of the votes. lately libertarian ideas have been winning. big government democrats just got kicked out of office. >> we want. >> and now republicans some of them anyway propose ending subsidies to big business. many argue if we want to fight a war congress must approve it. 52 percent of americans now say the united states should mind its own business internationally and let other countries get along the best they can on their own. >> gay nature yaj is becoming a reality in florida. >> the cheers and tears continue across the state as same sex couples legally we had.

>> florida became the 36th state to legalize same-sex marriage. the right of gay people to have sex with any other adult is widely accepted. >> the movement behind school of choice. >> private school choice programs serve 300,000 kids. charter schools and voucher programs serve more. >> voters in alaska oregon and district of columbia approved legal recreational marijuana use. >> marijuana is illegal in four states plus washington, d.c. >> welcome. >> entrepreneurs keep inventing cool now products and services like ride sharing companies that ef vaid government controls. they tell goliath regulators. back off. let's face it goliath still

rules and grows. we will keep fighting him. that's our show ee you next week. welcome to "hannity." it's a brand new movie everybody's talking about. now it's been nominated for six oscars. tonight, for the hour we'll be focusing on the life of chris kyle and the blockbuster movie about his life "american sniper". >> do you ever think that you might have seen things or done some things over there that you wish you hadn't? >> oh, that's not me, no. >> what's not you? >> i was just protecting my guys. they were trying to kill our soldiers. and i'm willing to meet my creator and answer every shot that i took. >> "american sniper," the blockbuster hollywood hit