fined. >> and the pine is half a million dollars. >> we're here because we want to be. >> yes. >> you are going to super bowl tomorrow. >> right after the show, i'll be there. and it will be a lot of fun. >> see you tomorrow. bill: morning everybody, here we go. fox news alert. a dangerous game negotiating with terrorists of the 9 country of jordan is willing to give into an isis demand, releasing a would-be suicide bomber in exchange for a pilot held by the terror group. develop developments in america's newsroom. martha: good morning. i'm martha maccallum. isis released a video threatening to kill a jordanian pilot and japanese prisoner holding his prisoner if they did not release a woman held in the death of 2005 oman hotel bombings. bill: john huddy live in jersey

with more than. does this include the release of the japanese hostage who life appears on the line now? >> reporter: at this point it doesn't, bill and martha. jordan's offer doesn't make any mention of kenji goto the 47-year-old japanese journalist one of two japanese who is stallingses. this is against jordan's hard-line terrorist and united states its ally approach not to negotiate with terrorists. that said isis militants released a photo holding the a picture of the pilot threatening to kill both men in 24 hours. today jordan's minister said they are will be to swap the pilot for the woman zahid yaw

al-rishawi. it is unclear in jordan's exchange would include goto's release. bill: to be clear, have the militants said they are willing to make a trade for foto, yes or no? >> reporter: yes, over the weekend they did in a video and a message presumably from goto. let me walk you through that. in this video posted on line he is shown holding a picture of beheaded body of haruna yukawa, the other japanese prisoner and audio message apparently from goto saying he and the pilot would be released for al-rishawi. japanese foreign ministers have been in jordan morn more than a week holding indirect talks with isis. little information at this point has been released about those talks. really now, bill, the question is whether isis will be willing to do a swap. we haven't heard from the militants swap. even if the two men, at this

point, bill are still alive. back to you. bill: john huddy live in jerusalem. we'll follow developments along with you. thank you, john. three minutes after past the hour. >> the pentagon is disputing reports that sergeant bo bergdahl will be charged with deszerg shun saying the military is still reviewing facts when he left his base in 2009. here is rear admiral john kirby on this today. >> i don't know how they could be given charges when he hasn't been charged with a crime yet. there have been no files charged against sergeant bergdahl no he would we ever before charges are filed against a service member, give him a head's up, hey this is what is coming. that is not the way the progress works. we're just not there yet. martha: retired colonel general tony shaffer disagrees. he originally reported that bergdahl would be charged. stands bit statement telling bill o'reilly, that the decision already has been made. he claims the white house is

delaying charges for political reasons. we'll bring in liz cheney to talk with her later in the show. bill: one of the things he tried to explain on morning shows there is degree of deer is shun. apparently they're working on those. martha: response of some people with him soldiers with the field with him and wonder what is taking so long to figure out the facts of this case. bill: some time. too long for them. martha: back to the snow for just a moment here, folks. new england is checking out today. they really got it. they got the part of the storm everybody thought would hit all along the coast, a double punch all the way from maine to rhode island. three feet of snow in those states. millions ordered indoors. some people having fun. here is the scene when it came out. cars almost completely covered. streets totally blanketed. other coastal towns flooded as ice flows down the street. they got it along the coastline. one woman in massachusetts

capturing the whoa snowstorm on video. recording a time-lapse video as the snow piled up on her porch. david lee miller in marsh field, 30 miles south of boston. good morning to you, david lee. >> reporter: good morning martha. we're in marsh field this is ocean street. during the storm ocean street met the ocean. a number of homes you see behind me were very seriously damaged. at least one was destroyed. a key part of the problem a seawall here was destroyed as well as breached in many parts during the height of this storm. you can see the damage. in particular when you take a look at a still photo close up of the wall. can see the massive damage the strength of this some, literally destroying chunks, as much as 30 to 40 feet of this seawall. and to give you some idea how much water there was let's come back live here in marshfield.

behind me you see the row of homes, the ocean right behind them. the water poured into the street crossing ocean street actually hitting the windows of those buildings on the other side of the street. and as we panned back, over my shoulder martha you can take a look at one of the most extensively damaged homes. this home has been destroyed. a few moments ago we talked to the homeowner, tim mannix, who described what happened 4:30 tuesday morning during high tide. listen. >> damage started happening around 4:00 a.m., right at high tide. quarter past 4:00, 20 past 4:00 windows caved in. i went to put a table in front of the next window. p.o.w., it hit me in the face. so i had to get out and had to escape. >> reporter: he indeed is lucky to be alive.

there were no debts reported here in marshfield. recovery efforts do continue here. there are sthan a thousand people without power. the digging continues. the plowing continues, martha, more snow expected at the end of the week. back to you. >> tough times. long haul for marshfield. thank you very much. bill: for many others it was far from the historic blizzard of some towns. one meteorologist apologizes. national weather service tweeting from the forecaster. my deepest apologies to many key decisionmakers and so many members of the general public. he continued, we made a lot of tough decisions to get it right and we did not. once again i'm sorry. new york governor, new york mayor, defend early reaction to the storm saying better safe than sorry at the moment. subway closed first time. that's tough. martha: that predetection did a major damage in terms of the costs to many businesses and public works. the price tag for shutting down new york city's transportation

system alone? $200 million. try to wrap your head exactly what that cost comes from to turn things off. hard to imagine, right? so the plows ran double duty. that is an increased cost to keep the streets clear. subway stations, as bill says were shuttered monday night to tuesday morning. you would think that maybe save mon they in a way having everything shut down the all trains and flights were canceled at several major -- always shocks me when these things happen, slap a number on it. costs $200in. really? what for? bill: loss of commerce. tell you what forecasters did. they have american model and european model. apparently the european model nailed the forecast for superstorm sandy. they put their money on the european model. it turned out the american model in the end was much more accurate. swing and a miss as they say in baseball. martha: mother natured that different things in mind. bill: so true. confirmation hearing for loretta

lynch in a matter minutes now. nominee for attorney genset to take place before the senate judiciary committee. senators expected to aggressively ask her about issues on the irs scandal executive actions and investigative journalist sharyl attkisson who sued the department of justice for illegal surveillance alleging the obama administration hacked her computers while investigating benghazi. and catherine engelbrecht, "true the vote," claimed targeted by irs for tax-exempt status. with we'll watch it live for you on the hill today. martha: new ira of bipartisanship. the president issued a record number of veto threats, the most since the original veto threat started started in 1980s. will anything get done the next two, what could be long years?

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citizen was among 10 people killed in the terror attack in libya. he is being identified as 34-year-old david berry, a former marine sergeant working as security contractor. he was killed in that attack yesterday. a group of four or five gunmen opened fire in a hotel in tripoli. two of them dying in standoff with authorities. libyan group claimed affiliation with isis says it was responsible for that attack. >> we want to get off to a fast start this year and as a result taking bills passed in the past and put other bills together despite the fact committees in many cases have not had their organizational meetings. and so, there have been a couple of stumbles. all in our effort to show the american people that we're here to listen to their priorities. bill: so john boehner there as president obama issues veto threats at a record place as the new republican-led congress gets

underway. eight or nine veto threats depending who is scoring it, the most since ronald reagan started officially issuing veto threats in the mid 1980s. former new hampshire governor john sununu remembers days then and as well as today former chief of staff for president george w. bush. >> morning, bill. bill: thanks for coming back. a lot of what reagan was doing fighting over similar pieces of legislation. it was not eight or nine different issues. now to the question what is the impact on congress when threats like these are leveled so soon, so quickly? >> look, when i was chief of staff for george herbert walker bush we had to negotiate with a congress overwhelmingly democrat and there is an art form to using the veto. you don't start with the president throwing it out. you communicate it privately. you use the as a negotiating tool. but this president doesn't have any idea on how to negotiate legislation. he wants to pontificate a result and to him negotiation is having

everybody follow in lockstep. this is just a self-serving defeat on the part of the president. he is not going to get anything if all he does is throw veto threats out in public. bill: so what he would argue what the white house has argued is they're telling congress don't pursue legislation that you know the president doesn't like. what about that point? >> well, look, he wants to set the entire agenda, negotiating is having a little it about each party's agenda come to the fore and developed into legislation. his staff should be down at the at the hill with the leaders of the republican side talking about the slices of issues that they can't take and talking about the areas that they have common interests. there could be resolving problems on trade. they could be resolving problems on tax reform. they could be issues that the president may not like completely but if he gets

something he really wants tacked on to it, then he might be willing to take that legislation. that's, that's the negotiation and the art of being a president. this president hasn't done it with congress and hasn't done it with our allies. bill: if that is the case what is your expectation for this next two years. >> same as last six years. he got zero for sings years and get a zero afterwards. the only legislation president rally gotten is one he rammed through, obamacare which is killing the country. bill: mitch mcconnell on "60 minutes" said listen this is the process an sometimes there's a pros that make as president feel uncomfortable. he went on to that harry reid didn't make the president uncomfortable because no bills were sent to the white house. how will that change, governor? >> it will change john boehner, mitch mcconnell who have been around a long time and want to get some legislation. after a while this president i suspect will discover he is not

getting anything. he is going to start worrying about legacy. he will lies he has no legislation passed except obamacare. he is going to have to go down and i think, either eat a little bit of humble pie and work out a deal on issues they can find compromise on but it is not going to happen if all he does is pontificate legislation. bill: you see some movement possible not a zero-sum game in two years? >> i see some movement possible in this president stops thinking he is a dictator and starts realizing what it takes to be a president. bill: stiff me an example how he concedes? what does he give? >> look, george herbert walker bush saw the country needed a five-year budget. he swallowed a little bit of taxes in order to get it. this president might have to swallow the keystone pipeline on a piece of legislation. he might have to swallow some things in tax reform he doesn't like that the republicans would like to get as incentives to

create growth. it is give-and-take. there are sometimes very simple issues that makes the difference between a piece of legislation packsable or not passible. bill: governor, thank you. john sununu. thanks for coming back today. 19 past the hour now. here's martha. martha: so one of president obama's spy chiefs blasting the white house on the way out the door. why he says isis has this administration, quote, paralyzed bill: also does wisconsin governor scott walker have the blueprint to beat democrats in 2016? rush limbaugh sure thinks so. listen. >> i don't think it has been ever good to bet against me, certainly last three elections in the last four years i wouldn't bet against me in a race like this either. ♪ edward jones. with nearly 7 million investors oh hey, neill, how are you? you'd expect us to have a highly skilled call center. kevin, neill holley's on line one. ok, great.

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bill: race for the republican nomination for president wide open right now but rush limbaugh says that the gop may might want to follow the wisconsin governor's lead on efforts to win over both liberals an conservatives. this is what rush said about that. >> scott walker has the blueprint for winning and winning consistently and winning big in a blue state with conservative principles that are offered with absolutely no excuses. bill: meanwhile, name recognition will play a big part for the former governor out of florida jeb bush but charles krauthamer is saying that could actually work against him. now how would that be? here is krauthamer. >> if he had a different last name he would be perceived totally. you can be helped by your last name and hurt. with bush he is definitely hurt. bill: in the next coming weeks and coming months for that matter, that time where the folks start exploring run for the white house and make formal

announcements and we're watching and waiting every day. martha: we'll be watching an waiting and it will be changing all the time. it will be fascinating over the next 10 months or so and we'll be watching it. all right so how about this? the obama administration's former spy chief slams the white house over its handling of isis calling the administration well-entensioned but paralyzed in its fight against terror saying quote, you can not defeat an enemy you do not admit exists. peter doocy reports live from the white house. peter, why does the former defense chief say the united states is struggling against isis? >> reporter: martha, because nobody here at the white house or the pentagon, ever calls the enemy islamic militants. recently retired lt. general michael flynn who ran the defense intelligence agency until this summer is quoted by "the daily beast" saying this week quote they want us to think our challenge is dealing with an undefined set of violent

extremists or merely lone wolf actors with no ideology or network but that is just not the straight truth. our adversaries around the world are self-described as islamic militants they say and flynn is not alone. retired generals battling extremists in the years since 9/11 sounding alarm as well, like former centcom commander general james mattis on capitol hill this week. >> violent jihadist tariffs can not be permitted to take refuge behind false religious garb and unwilling to define the threat with the clarity it deserves. we have many potential lies around the world and in the middle east who will rally to us but we have not clear about where we stand in defining or dealing with the growing violent jihadist terrorists threat. >> reporter: not all bad though. flynn says he thinks the administration has good intentions. martha? martha: so you get the sense, peter, that the white house,

from what they're say something listening to this or if any of this is sinking in there? >> reporter: martha, we have not heard a change in the way that the white house defines the enemy since september and this. >> isil is not islamic. no religion condones the killing of innocents and vast majority of isil's victims have been must him. >> reporter: some common ground though between the administration and their critics. that the fight against isis is going to take a long time. we heard the white house talk about in terms of years. now flynn going a little bit further. he says the fight could take decades. martha he likens it to the cold war. >> peter, thank you. we'll have a lot more coming up on this really important discussion when we sit down next hour with general jack keane who will explain why a member of the top military mind say we have no strategy to defeat this on the whole as islamic radical terrorism. bill: anytime keane and mattis

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bill: some much our top stories now. new england starts digging out after the massive blizzard. the storm dumped up to three feet of snow in some areas. some 15,000 hopes and businesses have no power including the entire island of nantucket. also the senate begins hearings today for president's attorney

general nominee loretta lynch. expected to face tough questions from the republican-led legislature especially on irs and immigration. >> >> jordan agreeing to a prisoner swap for a pilot held by isis. government officials are ready to release a suicide bomber a woman on death row for a 2005 terrorist attack if the jordanian pilot is released unharmed. >> top democrats on the house benghazi select committee saying former secretary of state hillary clinton is willing to come before them and testify about the 2012 terror attacks that killed four americans including the u.s. ambassador. the committee receiving 15,000 new documents during its third public hearing yesterday but the chairman congressman trey gowdy, suggesting the obama administration has been intentional trying to slow-walk this investigation. south carolina republican congressman trey gowdy joins me

now. congressman, good morning. good to have you here with us. >> thank you, ma'am. martha: according to elijah cummings congressman elijah cummings that hillary clinton is ready to testify for you at anytime so why not put her out there? >> i'm glad mr. cummings changed his mind. in december he was not saying that. i welcome his change of heart. i can't examine any witness credibly unless i have emails cables and documents. i can't bring a witness multiple times back and forth before any tribunal, i think the most expedient thing to do is bring her once and for me to bring her once, i need all of the documents that i would question her, ask her questions about in front of me. so as soon as the state department complies with our requests for documents then we would be thrilled to have her come before the committee. really in their hand. martha: you said that the state department is giving you more of a hard time than the doj in terms of turning stuff over. in these 15,000 documents in the

latest dump, what you need is not this there, are you saying that? >> 15,000 is great but it is 15,000 out of how many? what i don't know is have they given us half the documents? have they given us a fourth of the documents? what i know they have not given us all of the documents. there are several category which they have not fully complied martha, her emails. if i were going to question you about any event, and i knew there were emails or suspected that there were emails i would need your emails to have a constructive conversation with you. it may be that the answer is they have given us all of them but even they haven't said. that they said it is still a work in progress. i would be a lousy lawyer if i tried to examine any witness before i had all the documents i needed to have a constructive conversation. martha: what about the story a while back about documents being sifted through at the state department over a weekend?

there was testimony to that effect. what about talking to cheryl mills who was supposedly present at that document sifting? it could be some of what you're looking for simply isn't around anymore. are you going to speak to cheryl mills? are you going to speak to susan rice and question them as well? >> all of the above. the reasons to talk to cheryl mills would be myriad. it would not be just an allegation of shifting through documents, frankly martha, a serious committee and a serious investigation, when you have an allegation like that you either corroborate the allegation or you contribute it. that is what investigations do. you just don't repeat a bald allegation as insend did arias that one. you contradict it or corroborate it. but there are myriad reasons to talk to cheryl mills. she was the top lieutenant for secretary clinton. in a perfect world you would interview cheryl mills before you interviewed secretary clinton but i'm will be to take

the second secretary as the soon as the statement department produces documents. i'll willing to take her out of order. i don't want this to drag into the fall. i was willing to do it in january. martha: will you speak to cheryl mills or susan rice as part of the investigation? >> absolutely. you have to. martha: now there is the other side of this whole thing which of course is the 2016 election. it would be understandable if hillary clinton wants to come before your committee wants to say what she knows and put this behind her so it is not an issue for her anymore. it seems there is some politics being played here because you say, well i'm not going to let her off the hook until i get what i want. you know she wants to be finished with this and put it behind her and not have it hanging over her head when she goes into the election. >> i don't know whether she is running or not. i suspect she is but hasn't said she is. frankly whether or not she runs for president is none of my business as it relates to

benghazi. this is her as secretary of state, not as potential candidate. i'm willing to take her within 30 days of the state department giving us documents we're entitled to. i don't know how i can be anymore fair and list political about it, then telling mr. cummings and the democrats we will take her just give us 30 days to prepare after the documents are produced. but, martha you would have me on your show citing me for legal malpractice if i examined a witness before i had the documents. >> understood. in terms of the democrats on this, because the whole thing was presented as a bipartisan committee to finally put to rest the questions surrounding benghazi. is that ever going to happen? are democrats looking for a way to drag this out so that there is never really anyone conclusion able to be reached that can be considered bipartisan? >> i think they have a two-pronged strategy. number one is to try to create an environment where they can walk away just walk away from

the committee. number two, if they can't do that then to drag it out delay it, say you're getting involved in 2016 politics. martha, keep in mind, all five voted against the committee. all five various times threatened to walk away. they put up a website, ask and answer before we had our first hearing. they're complaining about the pace being too slow when we want to have hearings about documents, they object to that. so color me a little suspicious when it comes to their wanting us to go ahead and get all the answers. martha: got your work cut out for you. congressman, thank you very much. we look forward to getting more as this moves forward. see you next time. many thanks. bill: he is one of the best running backs in the nfl but marchon lynch is a man of few words after a series of fines the leagued warned the notoriously press-shy star, not that shy but when eschewses to

be could face reported half a million dollars in fines if he didn't report at the media session in arizona. he set a clock for five minutes. said why he was there and said it over and over and over again. >> i'm just here so i don't get fined so you y'all can ask me all the questions i want to. i will answer with the same questions. so y'all can shoot if y'all please. i'm here so i won't get fined. i'm here so i won't get fined. i'm here so i won't get fined. i'm here so i won't get fined. i'm here so i won't get fined. i'm just here so i won't get fined. bill: just so we're clear on this now, he did that 29 times. has news conferences later today and tomorrow too. we'll see whether or not the answer is more creative. he was apparently burned when he was in buffalo. martha: has not gotten over it. that was charming, really charming, wasn't it? i'm paid millions of dollars.

all they want to ask a few questions. bill: channel the aggression on the field. they call him the beast for a reason. he can run the football. martha: a phrase ingrained in our new lexicon. i only show up because i don't want to be find. i show up every day because i don't want to be fined. coming up here, police may have to keep closer eye on their suspects. have you heard this? not even handcuffs kept this person from taking off with the policeman's car. show you what happened. >> we heard a lot of things right, martha? wow. the pentagon denies a report that bo bergdahl is facing charge as of now. lieutenant colonel tony shaver disagrees. he just doubled down saying that the obama administration is playing politics and dragging its feet. liz cheney will react to this next. >> i do stand by the fact that my understanding is that bergdahl's lawyer has been given a statement of charges, a charge sheet that says this is what to

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martha: breaking news here as israeli military says two of their soldiers were killed in an attack on an army convoy that happened near the lebanese boarder. we will continue to cover this breaking news story and ramifications it may bring about. more to come as we get it. bill: the pentagon says there is absolutely no decision made as far as charges against sergeant bo bergdahl. but retired lieutenant colonel tony shaver says a decision already has been made and he will be charged with desser is shun. he says the army is dragging its feet on this and here he is is back-to-back nights on "the o'reilly factor." >> i stand by all the facts bill. look what admiral kirby in statements in pentagon they don't deny the term findings i said in the report. they're being very careful how

they parse their word. there is reasons. i do understand my understanding that bergdahl's lawyer has been given a statement of charges, a charge sheet that says this is what to expect if we're coming. bill: liz cheney former deputy assistant secretary of state, news contributor. good morning to you. thank you for joining us on this topic. we're trying to figure out what is going on. kirby from the pentagon out this morning on couple channels, we will get that including ours. take it this way if schaefer is right, why would the white house want delay here? >> i think clearly because they are trying to find a way to explain the president's inexplicable actions. they know that if in fact bergdahl is charged with being a deserter, people will immediately ask the question, why in the world did you release five most senior leaders in the taliban in exchange for deserter. people are asking that question

anyway. even if bergdahl is found not to have deserted people still want to know. why in the world would you send in middle of combat, in the middle of war five guys who we know have deep ties both to the taliban and al qaeda, why would you release them from our custody in exchange for this soldier? but of course the question is a much harder one to answer if in fact he is found to have deserted his post. bill: john kirby is out a few shows, fox and friends was asked about this repeatedly. this is part of what he said, entirely disagreeing with shaffer there is any conclusion here. >> i can tell you right now, i'm absolutely certain, general millie is made no decisions about what he will do with this case. in fact the general is going through the investigation itself. bill: if he is right now, what would explain why it has taken so long? >> well that is the question. look obviously it is legitimate there would be an investigation. we've got to let the investigation run its course but i thought bill o'reilly had a good question.

look we put deadlines on this administration on the conduct of war. we put deadlines on withdrawal of our troops. we let our enemies know in 18 months in 24 months this is what we're going to be doing. the those there would not be a deadline on this investigation is very hard to believe. again, at bottom, the very important point here is you have got a president who is telling the american people that he is going to withdraw our forces from afghanistan. he is saying that the taliban has an about somehow defeated. that the taliban is not linked to al qaeda. one of the things people need to understand is that the five prisoners he released are not only leading military commanders in the taliban but they have deep ties to al qaeda. so their own, biographies, put a lie to the notion that somehow the taliban is not our enemy, there is no tie to al qaeda and you know, once again the president and this white house find themselves trying to defend steps that they have taken and a strategy that has no connection to actually keeping america safe

or to defeating our enemies on the ground. bill: two more specific points here now, one for each side let's say. that if you wanted to close gitmo and you knew you were dealing with a deserter and you swap for five taliban high-level detainees, would you not want to delay that decision making it public as long as you could in order to, in order to drain more people out of gitmo? doesn't that make sense? >> yeah. but what this administration does repeatedly too often they get away with it, they sort of make announcement. they know they will take some heat for news cycle and then they move on. but the fact that these five guys, just think about this they in fact, make the case themselves, for why we need guantanamo. tom joseclyn the foundation for defense of democracies, points out while they were in guantanamo for 12 years they were not been able to kill anybody. they have all been released. it is very very likely soon they will have blood on their

hands, potentially american blood on their hand. that's why we need guantanamo to keep our enemies in custody during the course of the war. the idea that the president is working so hard to fulfill a campaign pledge instead of looking at the damage that that campaign pledge and his own actions are doing to american security is one more reason why the nation is less safe than we were when he took office certainly. bill: kirby also said something on another network i found interesting. he said there is intent of desser is shun. and then you have to side the degree under certain circumstances. is that explanation why the investigation has taken as long as it has? do you buy that. >> there are reports they're looking at different levels of desertion. whether he intented to return to his post. there are allegations they're trying to avoid additional jail time for bergdahl. they're looking at whole series of charges.

some more serious than others. i suppose that could account for what is happening here. seems to me very clear the white house has a public relations problem but a huge and significant national security problem if in fact bergdahl's charged with desertion. they will have to explain to the american people. i'm sure they're trying to get their ducks in a row and scrambling to explain what may be result here. bill: on that point the questions will keep coming as you know. liz cheney, thank you for your time. >> good to be here. bill: martha. martha: awful story here. a teacher attacked, slammed to the ground by his own student. all because he took the student's phone away. we'll talk to dr. keith ablow about what drives a teenager to that. and you could make it happen. right? wrong. because you're not you you're a cancer hospital and your daughter... she's a team of leading researchers... and that brilliant idea is a breakthrough in patient treatment that could save thousands of lives. which means you need a diverse team of advisors helping you.

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martha: so new jersey high school student is facing charges now for attacking his teacher. it allegedly happened because the teacher took away this young boy's, freshman in high school took away his cell phone. look what happened after that. >> oh [bleep] [bleep] >> slammed the teacher to the floor. the other students ran to get help. the boy was arrested. he is now been charged with assault. that is, carry itself out in the course. look at poor teacher. 62 years old. wrestled to the ground over this. which he is allowed to take away the cell phone in class. dr. keith ablow, medical a-team. dr. ablow, welcome. viewers at home can see what happened in this case. but what it got me thinking about, is the larger picture here. where, teenagers and many adults as well feel so attached to this bees of machinery, that it is literally part of their body and they become panicked if they

don't have it with them. >> absolutely. listen this ninth grader he may have impulse control problems but the reason this has gone national and viral is because we all, we all know now how connected we are to these devices of the mobile technology has become enat that it grad into your psyches. the fact that this is outside your body. it is becoming part of us in a dramatic it way. this is not only event. after all we have on record someone who was shot because she wouldn't surrender her cell phone to mugger. another person killed by a train because he lept on to the tracks to get the cell phone was in the path of oncoming train. these things are meshing with us on like, part of our psychological dna. and it has unexpected and unpredictable consequences. >> you talk about the selfie stick, which might have been one of the hottest christmas gifts this year as an extension of our

body. you have a longer arm because you need a longer arm in order to take more pictures of yourself. it is so crazy. >> it literally is, martha. i think we're at a point now without giving it any thought really psychologically we vin at that greated technology inpo our bodies and mind to such an extent that it is commandeering us. so yes, because the iphone or the samsung phone can't take pictures we want at the distance we need now, selfie sticks are a best-seller, literally extending your arm. but beyond that, it has become not so unusual to see somebody smiling or frowning or sticking your tongue out for the camera. you know what she is doing? sending it to maybe 100 friend or maybe are her friend or maybe aren't. we're becoming characters in our own live stories. martha: very bizarre and i think it is scary. what do we do? adults as well? i turned around to get my cell

phone if i forgot it. i don't want to be without it. we all feel this way to some extent. >> people literally won't leave a room without cell phones. since that is a threat to our sense of self and self-esteem clearly taking a holiday from the device is a great thing. i'm not sure people are prepared to do that. i think the best thing we can do is balance so it becomes more important to give your kid a pet. because a dog or a cat can't be programmed, right? it becomes more important to get outside. to play sports to really talk to people. at least that will buffer the impact of these devices which are getting smarter. it won't be long, because my friend in technology tell me, before the phone knows whether you're looking at it or you're looking away and tells you to look back at it. martha: so scary. you are not your device. good phrase coined by the one and only dr. keith ablow. you are not your device. so scary.

>> we hope. all right. bill: minces live on the hill confirmation hearing for loretta lynch will begin. numerous issues on the table including whether she thinks president obama has overstepped his executive authority.

martha: so we are just moments away now from the confirmation hearing on capitol hill that will determine whether the president's pick will be the next attorney general of our country. judiciary committee chairman chuck grassley already warned it will be a long day for loretta lynch. you can see all cameras gathered for the big moment. brand new hour of "america's newsroom." i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. while lynch is expected to be confirmed in the end she will first have to take tough questions on a number of unresolved controversies. first on that list whether or not the president overstepped authority on immigration. chief congressional correspondent, mike emanuel high above the room now on capitol hill. good morning. what will we or what should we expect today? >> bill if confirmed the

loretta lynch would be the first african-american woman attorney general. she met with every member of this judiciary committee and gotten good reviews thus far. chairman chuck grassley is expected to go after her a bit getting reassureses from lynch she will be about faithfully executing the law and not rewriting it, and defending nation's laws even when political appointee disagree with the policies. lynch will tell senators quote, if confirmed as attorney general i pledge to you and american people that the constitution the bedrock of our system of justice will be my load star as i exercise the power and responsibility of that position. she will also say that she would like a new and improved relationship with this committee and with congress. as you recall, eric holder has not had a very good with the united states congress. bill: there are stories out there how she will handle immigration. what is your sense about that, mike? >> i'm told she will not make reference to immigration in her

opening statement but is expecting extensive questioning from lawmakers. lynch is expected to back president obama's legal rationale for immigration executive actions but we do expect she will express caution about going too far and that lynch will note she played no role in crafting or legally defending the immigration action. that's where we start. we'll see where questions lead us bill. bill: indeed we shall. thank you, mike emanuel setting the table for us as that hearing begins there. thank you, mike. >> thank you sir. martha: that is the question. is she likely to run into trouble during these two days of hearings? chris stirewalt, fox news digital politics editor joins me now. chris, zoo she received a lot of praise and a lot of questions from the media. what kind of questions will she get from this house? >> a lot. she will get a lot of questions. i think there is very little doubt in anybody's minds she will be confirmed as eric holder's replacement.

the real purpose of hearing like this to set some channel markers. eric holier's tenure as attorney general was once believed it would be groundbreaking movement for civil rights. there would be all of these changes, much-vaunted. but what we ended up with a highly highly politicized u.s. department of justice under his tenure. the criticism of holder, not just from conservative republicans across the board essentially serving as a firewall to protect president obama on difficult legal questions is there and that is really eric holder's legacy. what members this committee want to do today is set some put some buoys out there where does miss lynch believe that the president's power begins and where does it end? martha: that's going to be a real interesting area of questioning here. of course it goes to immigration and the number of other questionable executive actions that the president has been criticized for at times and

attorney general eric holder stuck up for him in those cases. what about the irs and some other issues that are still lingering that eric holder leaves open? >> open or closed, you know we don't know what all has happened with something like "fast & furious," the botched gun-running sting. we don't know the condition of the alleged investigation into the irs. we don't know so many things. that was really part of eric holder's job as administration flame retardant. he was willing to sit on these political things so we don't know. she doesn't know either or at least she doesn't have to say. what she does have to say however, are things like this. does she believe the president of the united states has authority to grant essentially indefinite but temporary amnesty for people in the united states illegally? us did he have that authority? she also has to answer questions is it appropriate for a democratic donor to be part of leading an investigation into political misconduct at the internal revenue service? things like that. she has to say what she believes

and she has got to do it before she starts job, which may help congress hem in the agency or administration later. martha: big issues. she would like to set herself apart, have a fresh start with relationship with congress. my guess she will try to walk down that road carefully and firmly today but we'll get a good look at it. chris, thank you very much. for giving background and setup. we'll keep an eye on the hearing throughout the hour. we'll bring you any news or developments that come out of it as they happen. bill: certainly will. meantime the powerful blizzard moving out of the northeast, leaving behind more than just a lot of snow in a big, fat pile. thousands of flight cancellations stranding tens of thousands of passengers across-country. >> just hanging, hanging in the airport until 7:24 tomorrow morning. >> i'm leaving zick in the morning. >> i'm a scientist. i can't wait to about home. >> we spent a lovely night here in fort lauderdale, nice place

and another airline was able to get us home with only one night. bill: that is pretty good. rick leventhal live in laguardia in new york. long island hammered. you're out there rick. eastern shore of massachusetts is a mess in some of those towns but airports are reopening and what about all the stranded passengers now? >> signs of life here at laguardia, bill. there are some planes at some gates. there were 157 cancellations here at laguardia this morning. only 628 at airports nationwide today, which is huge improvements over past couple days. american resumed limited service to the northeast. delta is running 80%. united canceled all flights through boston and new england today but limited service at new york major airports. jetblue canceled 190 flights. travelers are a mix of cautious and optimistic. >> not contacted for any kind of delays. i'm ahead of time. so hopefully i will get out of here today.

>> pretty grateful? >> very grateful. >> my flight earlier today was canceled. i'm put on a flight at 5:00. >> fingers crossed? >> exactly. >> traveling to the miami. i have everything. >> you know there have been thousands of flights canceled the past couple days? >> yes, yes. i've been calling and they told me that today was okay. >> reporter: one of the big issues still today bill, is this bitter cold. it means that tedious devicing -- deicing of these planes which will can cause more delays. bill: certainly will. hang in there with then. rick leventhal live. >> will do. martha: hanging in there three days with this process. the storm leaving thousands of people in the dark rolling power outages reported in at least four states. massachusetts got hit with the hardest with more than 10,000 outages. nearly 5000 of those are on nantucket which was really hard hit, a little island out there covered in fog is now covered in

snow. they're having a tough time. bill: that is one incredible experience, to ride out a storm like that on island of nantucket. imagine what they went through. martha: lonely, cold. not too many people. bill: overseas breaking news. new violence rather flaring up on the border between israel and lebanon. israeli military firing 50 artillery shells into lebanese village in response to an attack on an israeli military convoy. terrorist group hezbollah claiming responsibility for convoy attack. two israeli soldiers, a peace keeper killed in that violence seven other soldiers wounded. we're watching the story very closely hpre. it is on tinter hooks as you know. based on past experience when violence happens on the border, it can lead to very, very long and lasting conflicts. we're watching that for you today. martha: four-star generals testifying to congress saying the white house is losing the war on terror because it will not admit that the enemy exists.

charles krauthamer said that could be the worst mistake of all. >> the biggest error that we make is to lose the damn war because we refuse to recognize who the enemy is and what it requires. that would be a larger error because it would consign people to, for example, the hell that is syria today approaching now a quarter of a million dead. martha: wee talk to jack keane next. bill: howard dean giving an apology, kind of. after calling fans of "american sniper" right-wing nuts. we'll talk about that plus this. >> electronic board sign. [bleep]. [bleep] get down. everybody get down. >> a man opens fire at city hall hitting two police officers, but he wasn't the only one in that room with a gun.

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bill: some terrifying moments caught on video. a city hall meeting underway in minnesota when a gunman opens fire and a councilman pulls his own handgun protecting his colleagues. >> this is electronic sign. [bleep]. the [bleep] get down. get down. everybody get down. >> that went right through the door. >> get down, everyone. bill: the councilman screen left is former police officer. the shooter, hitting two officers outside of the chamber, before he was shot and killed by the other officers. >> being tased.

go to commercial. bill: motives are under investigation. the man had history of confrontations with police and local officials. martha: former top pentagon official under president obama is now warning, that the u.s. and this administration is paralyzed in its fight against isis. lt. general michael flynn, retired as obama's defense intelligence agency chief, the head of the dia, he stepped down in april and he said this, quote. you can not defeat an enemy you do not admit exists. they the obama administration, want us to think our challenge is dealing with an undefined set of violent extremists or merely lone wolf actors with no ideology or network but that is just not the straight truth. our adversaries around the world are self-described islamic militants and he is not alone in that assessment of the retired four-star general jack keane also testified before a senate committee on this threat

yesterday. he is the chairman of the institute for the study of war and of course a fox news military analyst. general, good to have you with us todays as always. >> good to be here martha. martha: you spoke to them yesterday about your assessment of what is going on out there. it is blistering to hear from a former obama administration official that this group in the white house simply does not understand this threat. >> yeah, absolutely. the, i totally agree with every statement that you just read there from general flynn. the facts are, not only do we not accurately name radical islam, we choose not to define it nor explain its ideology and then the most critical thing of all, martha, we have no strategy to stop it, and no strategy to defeat it. and that was the essence of the testimony that we were, that

three flag officers were making yesterday to the senate armed services committee. i believe there was bipart sawn support after listening to us, that they i agreed we don't have this right and we have got to fix it. martha: that is a powerful thing. you showed the map up. and i want to leave it up for a little while you explain it. a little hard for people at home. leave it up to the duration of general keane discussing this? >> when you look at this map it's not possible for anyone to claim that current u.s. policy or strategy are succeeding because why? look at the red on the map. the red indicates where al qaeda and its affiliates, radical islam, is spreading from western africa in the middle east all the way to southern asia. that expansion has increased fourfold in the last five years. of the green, dark green is iran and the light green is difficult

for people to see because of the size of countries, they are increasing in their dominance, control and influence of other countries in the regions. all radical islam. what that is, beirut, lebanon, damascus syria baghdad, iraq, truth be known and sanaa in yemen and obviously supporting hamas in the gaza strip. and the other thing that represented in black in the center of the map is isis itself in iraq and syria. isis began just around 2011 when we were pulling out of iraq. their numbers were less than 3,000. as we began a campaign against them most analysts believed the numbers, exceed over 30,000. so they grew 10 times in three years. >> yeah. >> so what we are looking at is radical islam's expansion in the region in, in south asia in africa, and its menacing threat

not only to the region but to other countries. martha: when you look at the attacks in paris and the discussion that isis has a lot about further attacks in europe you can make an argument that this is clearly a global war on the scale of what we saw when we fought the nazis in world war ii. they were in north africa. they were in europe. it was a multitheater effort. i guess, you know, if the president doesn't look at it that way what is the danger? >> wealth danger is we're going to see increased domination of countries by radical islam and they will export that out of the region, to hurt kill people in europe who are sympathizing with their geopolitical views as well as the united states. we have when looking at the map, if we asked our viewers what would you do about a problem like that? you see all the countries involved?

i think most would say, let's get the countries organized. let's develop a strategy, a comprehensive strategy to do something about this. similar to what we did dealing with communist ideology in world war ii. we had, we developed alliances both political and military to deal with a common threat. martha: general i have to go. the white house says, they have done exactly that. they say they have 40 countries on our side, many of them muslim countries. how do you answer that quickly if you can. >> they're not dealing with the entire threat like is isis in iraq and syria. we need a comprehensive strategy. otherwise we fight isis now. two years we fight somebody else. three years we fight somebody else. we need a comprehensive strategy to deal with the whole of it not just a piece of it. martha: generally, thank you very much. obviously conversation to be continued. thank you, sir. >> good talking to you martha. bill: it can be a dangerous game when you start negotiating with terrorists. a close ally says it will g isis demand

and release a would-be suicide bomber in exchange for a hostage. is that a good idea? we'll have details on that plus we'll have this. >> where is she? how hold is she ma'am? [inaudible] martha: wait until you see this. a hero firefighter save as little girl from inside of the burning building. we see the dramatic rescue from his point of view. keep watching. we'll be right back.

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martha: this has to be seen to be believed. police in pennsylvania arrest a 27-year-old woman on suspicion of shoplifting. see her there on right-hand side of the screen. officers handcuffed her, put her in the back of the cruise ir. she managed to shimmy her way from behind the partition. she got behind the wheel. led police on a chase up to 80 miles per hour. they finally caught up to her. they are amazed nobody got hurt. bill: apple simply crushed it company sales smashing wall street expectations for the

last three months, the last quarter. apple sold sold more than 74 million iphones over the holidays. that helped the company take a staggering $74 billion in revenue in three months. from the fox business network, stuart varney is here for i think you call it history, right? >> oh, yes this is potential history being made. this is american corporate history. this is the most profitable company in the history of the world. no company has ever made as much money as this in 13 weeks. the most valuable company in the world. and just one more statistic. gee whiz american statistic. apple sold 34,000 iphones every hour for three months. bill: unbelievable. i will get you one here. the iphone, just the iphone not the ipad or mac just for the quarter has more quarterly revenue than microsoft and google combined for same period.

>> let me geoff you another one. bill: that is like fox news going up against msnbc and cnn ratings wise right? >> very good, bill. bill: combined cnn and msnbc are not where we are. >> apple has enough cash on hand 17billion to buyout right 480 of the s&p 500 companies. beat that. bill: give me a moment. you know what i noticed a lot of people think you invest in a way are with you take observations of the consumer. the stores in november and december started getting crowded again. it was because they were buying the iphone 6. let's drill down a little bit why this device is so successful. it is my contention that it is best device they ever made and speed of network enables you as consumer to enjoy your experience. >> something more than that. that is the big screen. apple joined samsung with a big screen iphone. that has sold particularly well in china.

the big screen makes the iphone, the smartphone, more entertainment device as much as a hand-held computer on which you run your life. so it is a big screen which was very, very popular. look, consider this. what is the world's most valuable product? the product that everybody wants, every country in the world, what is it they want? they want a smartphone. apple dominates the smartphone market. bill: do have one, i-6 or i 6 plus. >> no i have i-5. bill: i have bonn there. speed of device will blow you away. makes the experience that much better. >> this is tim cook. bill: that is the next question, what is he doing so well? >> executing. that is what he is doing. he has vision and speed of iphone 6 plus plus big screen and vision and execution and flat-out, the guy knows what he is doing. what can you say? bill: go throughout the day and close out apps at end of the day, how many places you went to

because your entire life not all of it, but so much of your life runs through that device. >> this is a gee whiz story about a huge american success story. this is the best and most powerful technology company in the world bar none. bill: talk about it at 11:00 on fox business. >> we'll have a passing mention i do believe. bill: up 8% i think in trading today. thank you, stuart. >> thanks, bill. bill: 11:00, fox business. martha. martha: there was a dramatic rescue caught on camera. >> [inaudible]. martha: boy these guys are so brave. incredible rescue video. takes you inside of a burning home, with three young children are trapped inside. plus this. ♪ >> don't pick it up. drop it. bill: there is another

controversy on "american sniper." howard dean forced to walk back comments where he bashed fans of the film. those people going to see it. but was his apology all that sincere? you be the judge. next. ♪

>> loretta lynch in the middle of her confirmation hearing. she's giving her opening comment as she's sworn in as all of this gets underway she's thanking her husband and family members. obviously a big moment for her and her family and they're taking it all in as the questioning is about to get underway. >> is there a lot of anger in this country? and people that see the movie

are very angry and this guy says i'm going to fight on your side. they fight. i'll bet if you you looked at a cross section of the tea party and theme that go see the movie -- >> that's where it started. howard dean over the weekend with comments on the millions of people who have gone to see the film "american sniper" now feeling the sting of a growing backlash. he offered this apology of sorts. >> i'll apologize for the veterans. i haven't seen the movie and i think it was wrong. i talked to a lot of people about it. i make no apologies to all the thousands of right wing nut jobs who have been twittering me with lousy language. >> so it lives for another day. alan colmes, and matt former white house political director under president bush, good day to both of you. >> good morning. >> great to be here. >> matt he never saw the film. never saw the film. i guess that's where it starts.

>> yeah. boy, sometimes liberals accuse conservatives of being closed minded and he should have seen the film first. i'm glad he's seen it now. the only hate that i hear is from the left aimed at people in authority like police officers and the military what howard dean said about a true american hero, chris kyle i think the other thing about howard dean which i think is really interesting, bill, yes he apologized to the veterans but then another swipe at conservatives. conservatives are just americans who want to play an active role in the political process just like a lot of other activists do and they shouldn't be criticized for that. >> whole thing about tying the tea party into the angry americans, that was the basis for his comments. never saw the movie. >> he was wrong. he said he was wrong. i don't know what howard dean

could say to satisfy those who don't like howard dean to begin with. it wasn't a phony apology. as far as the right wing nut jobs, i have a bunch of those on twitter. every time i'm on here, i have foul language coming my way. >> alan come on. they love you. listen. dean said i make no apologies to the thousands of right wing nut jobs twittering me with nasty language. was that an apology? >> no. what he said initially was that the tea party is filled with hate and the fact is this. that is a political swipe that doesn't help anybody accomplish anything in this country. the fact is the tea party are just simple americans that are getting involved with the government. by the way, just because you're a conservative doesn't mean you're angry. people i see being angry are all those people who are saying the worst things about police officers around the country, saying that the military does the same thing. same thing like snipers are not heros. that's the true invective in the

debate. >> he admitted, alan the movie is more nuanced than i thought. >> okay. lock. >> we've been saying that for weeks. >> let's keep attacking howard dean. what more do you want from the guy? >> he should apologize to the tea party activists. >> why don't you write it out for him and let him read it? >> they love you, alan. i saw "american sniper" and would not consider myself to be an angry person. you have a right to make stupid blanket statements but how is that helpful, sir? >> there are some people who are angry and some people say nasty things on social media. it happens. >> it happens to people on the right, too. by the way, i get those messages, too. they have every right to register their comments. >> absolutely. absolutely. >> people who see this movie are angry. >> i said it yesterday. i don't know who died and made

him shrink. >> what more do you want him to say? >> i'm going to the twitter feed right now to figure out what they're going to tell you, alan. >> 36 minutes past the hour. >> as promised a dramatic rescue that was caught on a firefighter's helmet cam. watch this. >> where is she? how old is she, ma'am? [inaudible] >> building on fire you can see them heading in. three young children trapped inside. not a movie. this is a real moment recorded by a firefighter who rushed in there. william is live in los angeles and an amazing story and a big window into how courageous these folks are, william. >> you know, martha, when you see the red lights in the rearview mirror, you don't think about it but this is why response times matter. just weeks ago in mississippi, firefighters took 13 minutes to respond to a house fire. three people died.

sunday in fresno same scenario. you can hear what happens as it happens. >> possible kid inside guys. a kid inside. where is she? >> neighbors noticed smoke rising from the apartment and called 911. no one appears inside until this woman shows up and says her kids are home alone, ableges one, three and four years old. one enters the burning apartment and hands the children through a broken window covered in soot and unconscious. neighbors thought they were dead fighting near zero visibility james perkins got them all out just in time. >> i had to look back at the video to really realize how my reaction stood. i don't remember reacting the way i did. but immediately i just thought we need to get this kid out and get him out in the fresh whether it's medical equipment and personnel to start breathing

for them. >> the response time in mississippi was 13 minutes. even in parts of urban l.a. it's over 10. fresno fire made it there in four minutes. >> good for them. what's the condition of the children and what's the status of the mother? >> doctors are treating the kids for smoke inhalation and minor burns. there was an electrical short with the television. the kids may or may not be returned to mother. she was out shopping and they were left home alone. >> thank goodness they're okay. thank you. >> another prisoner could be in the works. with isis holding one hostage, will another country give up a member of al qaeda to get him back? >> who are you going to call? remember these guys?

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two teenage boys so it's a regular around our house. those women are great. look forward to that. all right. how about this story? as we watch it develop today as jordan says that it is ready to negotiate with isis terrorists. huge development on this today. they will give in to their demands and release a would-be suicide bomber for a jordanian pilot who is being held by isis. this move comes after militants threaten to kill both the pilot and remaining japanese hostage. you see him holding a picture of the pilot here. the woman was sentenced to death in jordan in connection with the 2005 al qaeda terror plots on three hotels in aman. they took out 60 people in that hit. her husband is believed to have blown himself up in the hotel lobby. she ran from the scene but later posted a video of herself wearing the explosives belt proudly in the picture, claiming her own vest didn't go off.

heen more troubling, her connection to the al qaeda leader zarqawi. he claimed a woman was crucial to his plan. he's believed to be responsible for the deaths of thousands. dozens of them american soldiers so why let this woman go? richard worked as spokesman for four ambassadors to the u.n. and is a fox news contributor. welcome. good to have you here today. stunning development this morning when i saw this cross the wires that jordan wants to return this woman a notorious terrorist, for an exchange for this pilot. >> terrible idea and i don't think that jordan wants to return the woman. i think they want their pilot back and that's understandable. everybody in government, family members, whenever a loved one is a hostage, it's a very troubling time. i've worked with a lot of these families. but they have to look at the

bigger picture and the jordanians are making a big mistake to look across the table and to treat isis like a legitimate player, like a legitimate other side like someone that they can negotiate seriously with. this is an organization that is brutal and this organization wants their suicide bomber back. is there any mistake here? we all know what is going to happen. this woman is going to go back and her unsuccessful suicide bombing attempt will become successful. someone will be killed. the jordanians have been on the front line of isis. they know the brutality. it's been seeping through and i think they're just caving here and it's a really bad precedent. >> they had 200 family members of this pilot protesting. anyone with a family can understand the emotion and the

sentiment having not gone through it but can relate and be sensitive to that. you look at al-mari and the supposed trade that you have reported on extensively that the exchange happened for him and then you look at the bo bergdahl case. the terrorists are learning if you take someone and hold them hostage, you can get what you want. >> right. the message that is being sent loud and clear is that the new currency on the international market is a human life. you get the human life and then you get to bribe and push and decide what you want in return. negotiations are very tough. when you're trying to negotiate, there's a theory that you either offer some carrots or you use some sticks. when it comes to hostage negotiation, i don't believe you should use any carrots. i think you should use sticks. that doesn't necessarily mean violence. what that means is use

everything at your disposal. u.s. government should use everything to get people back but that means telling the other side what will happen economically diplomatically militarily, whatever it is, use the stick not the carrot. but the problem is, martha, that the president of the united states went to the rose garden and announced this hostage negotiation as a successful one in which a swap was done for five taliban members and bo bergdahl. that precedent is a terrible precedent. you only go to the rose garden to announce something that is wildly successful that you're proud of and look what happened later on. alan gross with cuba. this is an ongoing situation that the united states no longer look at countries like jordan and say don't do it because we're announcing it in the rose garden and telling other countries, follow us. >> we have to go but just very

quick, it's unusual they're showing a picture of the pilot. in the past we've seen videos of the people alive, pleading for their life and we've seen photographs of him. we'll see where all this goes. thank you very much. good to have you with us as always. >> 12 minutes before the hour. jon scott is up next. how are you? >> good morning. welcome. we're going to be up in about 12 minutes with "happening now." new england is digging out. their forecasters missed the mark for new york and new jersey but underestimated the snow totals for boston and points north. now residents are dealing with the fallout from the biggest storm of the year there. plus new numbers on obamacare as another republican state a grows to expand medicaid. what that means for the president's signature achievement achievement. >> see you at the top of the hour. so the rings of saturn have nothing on this baby. a ring system 200 times bigger.

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>> crew of the sheas shuttle challenger, we will never forget them nor the last time we saw them this morning as they prepared for their journey and waved goodbye and slipped the early bonds of earth to touch the face of god. >> never forget that moment. 29 years ago, hard to believe after the space shuttle challenger disaster.

>> challenger blew up 73 seconds after liftoff from kennedy space center when faulty seal rings in the booster rockets caused a breach in the fuel tank. explosion killed all seven crew members including the school teacher christie mcauliffe. nasa having a wreath laying ceremony at arlington national ceremony. >> what a day. remember them all so well. so saturn has company big time apparently. astronomers say they discover a planet with a ring system believed to be 200 times larger than the one around saturn. editor at large of "discover" magazine, saturn is jealous today. how are you? >> i'm good. i'm in the mind blown kind of stage. >> where we get to why it matters, what did they find precisely? >> so the picture that you just saw of that ring system, they didn't see it directly but what they saw was a star light shining through it and they watched the light flickering as

if you were shining a flashlight behind the tree to see the branches. flickering the star let them figure out this planet is -- the ring system is 200 times the size of saturn's ring. 37 rings around this planet. >> that's staggering. >> it's crazy. >> why does it matter? >> so what you're seeing here, this is a planet around a star that's a lot like the sun but very, very young. this is like a baby version of our solar system. what you're seeing here is kind of what was going on right here on earth right around the other planets 4 1/2 billion years ago. so this is -- this is not just giant saturn. it's giant baby-saturn and the stuff in the rings is coming together and making satellites around that planet. we're talking about something so big, those little satellites might be the size of mars or the size of earth.

>> when you say gaps, you're talking about the dark section or the section that reflects lights? >> spaces between the rings where it's empty something is clearing it out and that's probably new satellites or new like mini planets that are forming there. we're seeing all of this in action. >> bring it home again. you're saying that earth used to have a ring? >> well so the moon probably formed out of a ring like that around the earth. what we're seeing here is the same kind of thing happening far away. this is telling us what kind of planets are out there, how the planets formed and if you're looking for life elsewhere in the universe, maybe you're looking for not just a planet like earth but maybe a giant ring system like this. we're just starting to realize how weird, how extensive it is. >> and we're able to see deeper and deeper too. >> when we saw it we were like whoa. >> check that out. >> the fact that that illustration you're seeing this is not just somebody's imagination. this is based on a direct

reading of all the data and something backyard amateurs with little telescopes can watch this star, watch it flicker and help astronomers figure out planet is all about. >> well people across new england are still trying to dig out this morning after getting the worst of this snowstorm this week dealing with no power and at least one town experiencing several feet of flooding. returns and fewer choices in retirement. know that proper allocation could help increase returns so you can enjoy that second home sooner. know the right financial planning can help you save for college and retirement. know where you stand with pnc total insight. a new investing and banking experience with personalized guidance and online tools. visit a branch, call or go online today.

>> i love sponge bob square pants and he's showing up someplace strange. an x-ray revealing a sponge bob pendant stuck in a toddler's throat in saudi arabia. they removed it and the boy is fine but it probably wasn't his best day ever i'm going to guess. >> that kid is watching too much sponge bob. >> sponge bob is brilliant.

see you later, everybody. "happening now" starts right now. jon: a fox news alert, digging out and trying to stay warm. that monster blizzard dropping up to three feet of snow in some areas of new england. hope you're having a good morning. i'm jon scott. heather: and i'm in for jenna lee. welcome to "happening now." thousands of homes and businesses are in the dark including the whole island of nantucket. a few miles down the coast from boston, the blizzard washed out a section of seawall flooding one neighborhood. that breach in the town of marshfield just west of cape cod and now more snow could be on the way, though not as much as what is already on the