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posting it online, but in the end it just shows the utter corruption and the debasement of who they are as an organization and, yes, it will -- i think that at least regional will backfire on them. >> since the capture of lieutenant kasasibah did you have any information about his whereabouts or make any effort to try and release him, and second question, do you have any concerns that the killing of kasasibah will have any negative implications on the popular support for the war on daesh? >> abroad and in jordan and do you still have the commitment of the jordanian government to be part of the coalition against isil? >> i won't speak for the government of jordan. >> did you receive any new commitment? >> since this video, none that
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i'm aware of, but i would let for the jordanian people to speak for itself and for the jordanian people that's not my place. i'm not aware we had any terms at all about specificity about where he was being held. we had been working closely with jordanian officials since he was captured, you know, to do what we could to try to help locate him. i'm not aware that any -- that there was any success in that regard, so there would have been no ability to try to mount an over rescue opportunity. >> and of the public support people, popular support? >> what this are doing -- you're already seeing video out of amman about the reaction there by the jordanian people to this. i think this goes to jamie's question. i do think that -- i do think that this has the potential to backfire on them. i absolutely do believe that in the region, but again, i think it's important everybody just to take a couple of steps back and
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look at what these guys are what they are about and the seriousness of the threat, and we've been saying this for a long, long time and we've also said it's going to take a while to get at the ideology which is the real center of gravity here. you're not going to do that through bombs and air strikes. that doesn't mean the bombs and air strikes won't keep happening, they are. nothing is going to change. nothing is going to change as a result of today and this video about the resolve that the united states military has or the coalition has more broadly. >> since you mentioned, if i may have a followup. since you mentioned that the video is from amman we actually at al jazeera had other videos as well. we had figures from the region where kasasibah was born and people saying well, why are we in the situation? this is not our war in the first place, this is the u.s. war. how do we respond to that? >> i didn't see those videos so let me more broadly respond to the idea that this is the u.s.' war and it's not and then i
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think a coalition of 60 nations proves that it's not. we're not the only ones involved in this in trying to get rid of this group. that said, i -- you know, we also believe in this country and, you know a diversity of opinion, and certainly can allow for the fact that others may have a different view about what this murder means or should mean going forward. all i can do, again, is speak for the united states military, that's my job, and what i'm telling you is the united states military is going to stay committed to this. >> phil. >> i know you don't like to get into body counts or nose counts against isil so i won't ask about specific numbers unless you're interested in talking about them but there are reports that isil is getting more recruits than the numbers that the u.s. and coalition are killing them.
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>> you're right. i'm not going to get into body counts with you, phil, or throw out numbers because, as i said before, i don't think that's a helpful metric. what i can tell you is we -- we continue to atrite their forces. in other words they are still suffering battlefield losses almost every day as air strikes continue and as ground operations continue particularly up in the north. and it's true that they continue to recruit back to jamie's question. i mean, one of the things that we believe they believe they are getting out of these very public grisly murders is -- is more recruits, so we know that they have the ability to generate young men that are attracted to this group and this ideology, and that's going to be a long-term problem. i can't sit here and tell you, and i saw the press reports and i made a few phone calls before
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you came out here as you might think i would. i can't tell you with any specificity that those numbers in the press reports are accurate. i can't refute them either. we do know that they are capable of bringing more people to the fight, and we've been saying that from the get-go as well, phil and you know that which is why, again we're going to stay committed to this for the long term and it is going to be a long-term fight. i don't know what the balance sheet is and i expect quite honestly that balance sheet changes every day. they are not an arm el where you raise your right hand and take an oath and get an i.d. card and after you go to boot camp. these are common street fighters, and they come and they go. sometimes they stay for a while and sometimes they stay for a day and they leave so i know isil have a fluctuating manpower pool. what we have seen and a better
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judgment of the strength of this group is their behavior. so we've seen them change the way they operate on the ground. they are hiding more. we've seen them not travel around in convoys, not as much as they used to so they are not as -- they are not as agile as they once were. we know they have lost literally hundreds and hundreds of vehicles that they cannot replace. it's not like they have a supply chain out there and a defense contractor building stuff for them. they have a steel whatever they want to get so we know that we've hit them there. >> the main source of brief knew used to be oil and now assess it's no long erer. we know that oil revenue is longer the lead source in dollars and they are charging
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and they are largely in a defensive posture. over the weekend they mounted a threat on kirkuk and were out of there before the second day was out. they were pushed out and not in kobani and they are losing ground, more defensive and worried about their lines of communications and a supply route. this is a different group than it was seven months ago. i'm not saying they are not still dangerous. i'm not saying they are not still barbaric but they are different. their character, their conduct and behavior is different and that's a sign of progress. >> other members of the coalition here especially turkey, need to do more to stop the flow of foreign fighters to asill? >> well, we've talked about turkey and their contributions. we're grateful for those programses particularly on the tehraning equip squad, every member of this coalition and there's more than 60 countries people important.
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some are only -- every country brings something to this. it's a coalition of the willing and we have to let the nations contribute in ways that they deem most appropriate. >> what is their lead source of income? >> they get a lot of donations. they also have a significant black market program going on but what i can tell you is we now know oil is no longer the lead source of revenue. i don't have their tip sheet with me. >> how long has it not been the lead source of revenue, do you know? >> i don't know. >> and you've talked about what the coalition has to do and how the u.s. hab to be oak accommodating to that. that is a great question nancy. i don't know what their air tasking order is for jordan.
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i would direct you to the joint task to centcom for what countries are flying. i don't have that handy with me, but this is up for jordan to speak to. >> admiral kirby. >> yes. >> you laid out a number of positive indicators, but let me ask you something. on the iraq side of the equation the new dia director today testified that the iraqi forces weren't capable of defending themselves without u.s. help and in syria, again u.s. air strikes by all accounts allowed the turning of the corner in kobani so u.s. air strikes right now in both cases appear to be the only thing really holding isis off. when do you -- for the u.s. military, how long? do you just continue to grind away at air strikes or does there come a point where there
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is something else you should do, will do, recommend to the president, to change the basic relative strength on the ground because right now it appears on both sides of the border it's only air strikes that's holding isis off and there's no indication that fundamentally the balance of their power has changed. >> i think i would just dispute that on both counts there, barb. air strikes have been an important component. we know that and that's why we're continuing to conduct them, but they are not the only component. look at sinjar mountain and the air strikes helped get those guys away from that mountain but it is kurdish ground forces peshmerga that helps. >> but your own director says the iraqi forces, not the
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peshmerga peshmerga, the iraqi forces cannot defend themselves without outside help, even after all these months of air strikes, they can't do it even though you've been training that. >> i did not see those comments. >> and on the syrian side of kobani, yes, but, again, at what point for you if isis is such a threat if they are so terrible which obviously everyone agrees to at what point is -- are the air strikes no longer enough? at what point do you have to recommend something else? >> air strikes have never been enough. we've been saying that from the very beginning. air strikes are never going to be enough. we're not going to win this fight by a barrel of a gun. you said alloyd. let me have a chance to respond. we've also say that it was never
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going to be enough. let's put the political stuff aside for a second. one. things we've been doing is help develop and improve iraqi security. let's talk about the iraqi security forces. four training sites have stood up now three of them to help train nine brigades of iraqi troops h.not all iraqi units are as competent as others so we're focusing on those that our assessment teams believe need the support. all three of the sites are up and running right now and they are helping to crank out students. i can give you the stats here and give it to you afterwards. you can find out how many at every site. we know they are need some improvement and we're working on that. we've always said ultimately you need a competent force on the ground. that force needs to be indigenous and needs to be iraqi and we're confident now that we're up and running with the trainee sites that we'll get
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there. >> what percentage of iraqi forces do you think right now are capable of fighting, taking and holding ground. i don't have a percentage. there's units in the iraqi army already doing that. in the anbar province and certainly in and around the capital city. not too long ago there was a breathless state of reporting that baghdad was never did. they have remained. >> can you give us a percentage of what u.s. and iraqi forces you believe are capable of fighting taking and holding territory? >> i will pose the question and try to get you something back. >> yeah. >> bbc news here. just on a different subject. there's been a couple of former ambassadors to kiev today and a whole series of senior
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administration officials calling for a change in tactics and a change in the way the u.s. supports the government in ukraine. can you tell us what active consideration you're giving to hard way, supplying hardware to the government there and lethal situation. and is the position of the question government isn't shrinking. >> reporter: what we've said for months now is we continue to review all questions by the government lethal and non-lethal. >> we stayed with the news conference frankly longer than we planned. we're not going to show you the video. it's 23 minutes plus the video.
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and it shows the terrorists burning a jordanian military hero alive. i'm going to tell you about it, all of it every bit of it. i watched it over the last hour not because i wanted to. i absolutely did not. i watched it because i felt like those of you would want to know what's on it but don't want to watch it or be subjected to some sort of gruesome descriptive adjectives can get the information. most of the video is a buildup to the murder. if you don't want to earn about it do so for five or six minutes and after that i'll discuss what this means for every one of our allies and every one of us. michael o'hanlon from the brookings institute whom i trust will give us a big picture on this matter. lieutenant general daniel bulger, united states military retired will talk with us about
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what this means for our military, and we'll bring it all big picture to each of us. now, here's what's on the video start to finish. it begins with the jordanian king abdullah talking to charlie rose of cbs news and pbs. they are in an interview setting, and the king says to charlie rose that he asked his pilots who wants to help out with the fight against isis and he said all of them raised their hands. there are random shots of the milt and standing at a poetium next to a president with our president, president obama behind him this is really highlily produced throughout. it's as highly produced as anything i've seen from our military. it clues many and u.s. special
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effects. next viewers see what appears jordanian and then jordanian jets taping. now i've just described what was the open of the video and title page comes up and across the screen reads "healing the believers' chest" and then the video begins again with various news reports of jordanian jets flying, a look at a crash scene presumably of the murdered pilot's jet and the video of a i'll in a jump shute. he's sitting like i am right now and speaking directly behind the camera just like i'm doing with you and as he does there's a split screen video. his picture is on the right-hand side the picture in the military uniform and video of his recovery from the desert is on the other side of the screen
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of the locals carrying him out of there. he continues his news report and is speaking in arabic and the pilot in his orange jumpsuit then begins describing his own fighter jet trip, the sorti that took him from jordan presumably with refueling as he describes it in mid-air and then an explanation of other jets involved in this fight with corresponding pictures and grafngs it's elaborates. he talks about an emirate f-16 and a saudi arabia f-16 and the hospice speaks with their lieser -- wided programs another one off to the site. it seems to be adding missiles and jets. often his face is superimposed over the other images and he continues with the description of the coalition. he shows the flags of non-five
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arab nations and then eight arab nations' flags with the equipment that each of those arab nations is using in this conflict. the lengthy description that goes on for minutes. there's a video montage, some videos coming at you from multiple locations on the screen, and then in the center of the video is a video of a crying baby. and the next video is fighter jets hitting ground targets on the ground. think of the videos that our pentagon releases in wartime black and white no color in them with targets being hit in the desert, right, and then you see various images of injured men and children. some appear severely burned. others appear to be deceased and their digital effects depicting flames over the screen and now a scene change of sorts, and the jordanian pilot is in a different setting. he's in an orange jumpsuit now and he's walking now across a
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barren land cape which appears to be dozens and dozens of soldiers in him in camo uniform. not green in darker but sand and darker. they are all capeying weapons and you only see their/. not possible to identify someone, at least to me, to come up with any kind of nationality. the jordanian pilot, showing picture of it. four different pictures from the whole video and this is one we're authorized to show. show it in so many different ways. sometimes they are lined up like this and standing among rubble and is standing on ruble in what appears tonight building of ruins and then they cut to a cage. maybe it's eight feet by five feet and ten feet or so tall. i'm not positive but that's somewhat close. stay with that. the bars go up and down as you can see, no crossbars there in the middle, and there are more bars on top of this thing so he's caged in.
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the jordanian pilot is inside. the camera originally tilts up from his mid-section to his face and that's the first time you see with the bars in the foreground that he's standing upright with his hands down by his side and he's looking directly at the ground, but it doesn't stay that way. he does look up. the orange jumpsuit appears to be partly covered by or doused with some sort of liquid. see it there on his right side on your screen left. it looks like there's dirt or something liquid on there, see that in the video intercuts with a soldier outside this cage now and this soldier is in desert camo wearing desert boots and same colored guns, a gun strapped around his neck and resting on his back and his head covered, again, you only see his eyes and he's holding what looks like a long stick, one draped with fabric a much larger version of a q-tip with cotton on one end. clearly a torch. there's no speaking on video. what sounds like a faint heartbeat in the background.
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it gets louder and more rapid over the next couple of minutes. a dramatic chanting sound in the background, very quick edits and very special effects and there's sound effects along the way and it's building in drama, and then the screen goes to black, and not just for that long but for a few seconds and the next image is that of the same uniformed man i described earlier holding the same torch. you hear the sound effect of a lighter and the torch is lit. then there's some special effects and the torch is moved from high to low from this area to reach down and touch a trail of something that is clearly flammable on the ground. it looks like a long trail of sand, and that line of sand stretches from that torch to the cage that contains the hostaged jordanian pilot. once that line of sand is lit it
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burns like a fuse. it's a number of feet long. because of the edit i couldn't tell give you a description of how long, but eventually with dramatic effect that fuse burns to the edge of the cage, and as it reaches this metal cage the sand at the bottom of the cage then appears to light across the cage on one side only in a line that moves from the edge of the cage toward the hostage inside the cage and he stands there. and he's in his orange jumpsuit and he's standing upright like you just saw and he's looking ahead, and first the flames touch the hostage's pants and they catch fire and then it moves up and it ignites his shirt. the hostage the pilot we know begins to jump around in the cage. he flames his hands about shoulder high and then soon he covers his face he's on fire every bit of him.
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at this point there's canned music and chanting in the background and screaming which sounds like it's edited in not like it's part of the images on the screen. the pilot with his face covered with his hands begins to walk around the small cage. every part of him is on fire. the video is now edited in slow motion. eventually the pilot collapses to his knees while leaning to one side of the cage leaning forward. finally he appears to grab the cage bars with his hands and then he collapses to the ground, still against the cage bars into what i'd probably describe best as a fetal position. there's thick black smoke. the hostage is now all black in color and hardly moving, and an announcer speaks in arabic and then after an edility a large yellowish-colored sand-colored
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front end loader that you might see at a construction site arrives at the cage. it's loaded with concrete and rebar and all kinds of what looks like discarded construction material, mostly concrete, and then the front end loader raises its load and dumps it on top of that cage and presumably the remains of the man inside, and it crushes the cage and everything in it. after that there are a number of images on the screen, a number of pictures of people presumably who either were held or who are being held by isis and the video closes as it opens with a number of credits like you might see lion's gate or 21st century at the beginning and then it would go to another credit and then it did that at the end. it was a video of the burning alive of a human being a ratcheting up of the rhetoric and the question now is why have they done it in this way?
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why have they taken all this time to do it? what is the next step for the jordanians? what does this mean for our military, and what does this portend for the rest of this struggle? and maybe therein lies some of those answers. hopefully soon we'll hear from jordan. we've heard some from them and it's important and we'll get to it, but i want to begin now with catherine herridge. catherine, it's our understanding from the jordanians that the video was made a month from today january 3rd. >> this comes from a spokesman of the jordanian armed forces saying the pilot was killed ten days after his capture and this now explains why the jordanian authorities were so adamant about getting this proof of life before trading the al qaeda suicide bomber in their custody for the pilot. also, the afp is now reporting
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that the bomber who is now part of the 2005 hotel plot that killed 60 will be executed tomorrow along with other al qaeda prisoners. the execution video of the japanese hostage over the weekend significantly made no reference to the negotiations for the pilot, thea bomber nor the $200 million ransom isis had demanded, and the length of the video, as you note, the way it was produced with that video game feel all point to the fact that the hostages were killed some days ago, and if you look at the secretary image that was released last week the japanese journalist appears to be holding a photo showing the pilot in the cage where the video released today showed that he was burned alive. this is really more evidence of what one counterterrorism source told fox earlier this week is isis has been playing checkers while the -- chess rather while the rest of the world has been playing checkers. this was clearly stage managed
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from the get-go, and if the jordanians are correct that the pilot was killed a month ago it means what they have put everyone through has really been just a sick twist on this latest execution, shep. >> there's a couple of ways jordan can go now. there's enormous pressure inside jordan, make no mistake from the people for him to get out of this mess, not from everybody, but many jordanians believe he shouldn't be in the middle of this muslim-on-muslim thing and then there's this other side that says we have to hit back and hit back hard and we have a statement right from the jordanians, a paper statement >> you know, i've been sitting in the studio for a considerable period of time and i don't have access to that statement but i can tell you a little bit more, shep, if you're interested about where the administration stands on this right now. a short time ago we heard from the president, but this has been such a fluid situation that some of what he says seemed very dated, but he gives the sentiment that they are standing with the jordanian people. >> i think we'll redouble the
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vigilance and determination on the part of a global coalition to make sure that they are degraded and ultimately defeated. >> look, the execution of this jordanian hostage and the promised retaliation now by jordan with the al qaeda bomber and others without any question increases the risk to the remaining hostages which is well documented now to include an american and fox news understand also a european woman, and at the briefing a short time ago at the state department -- rather, the white house, they offered some assurances. >> the president has already ordered his team to devote all of the available resources we have to try and locate anybody but particularly americans who are being held hostage by isil. >> a short time ago we got this new video from capitol hill showing the king of jordan who had two previously scheduled meetings on the hill, one with the senate foreign relations
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committee that you see there well in advance of anyone anticipating that the video of the jordanian pilot would be released, and we're standing by if he'll address reporters, but so far that has not been the case. just a further add as to what the white house was saying about the remaining hostages. based on our reporting here at fox news, and i want to take people back to the fall of last year and. execution of james foley, fox news was first to report that there was very detailed what people in the intelligence community very granular detail about the location of all. hostages by the middle of may, but it was not another seven weeks until the white house signed off on that operation, and there have been very critical statements from people who worked within the isc who thought there was unnecessary delay by the white house in that particular situation because they were waiting for the intelligence to build up further, and that was the cost, foley life in that case. >> always great reporting from
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washington. >> thanks for having me. >> this video is not the news today. that's not the news. in fact, it's not even today. the terrorists, according to the jordanian government said with specificity and exact precision they killed this guy a month ago today so what have they been doing since then. they have been working on this video which you don't want to see. you don't want to see it, and they have been trying to scare the world to death. they clearly want jordan out of this mix. jordan shares a border with whatever the heck is the islamic state and all of those other countries and they have made no mistake they want to come against jordan. the woman they were going to release in exchange for the guy we now know set on fire, that woman, she's still in jail there. she attacked inside jordan. that's why she's in prison in jordan. they want to come after jordan so what does jordan do now?
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what does the king do next? we'll bring in our retired u.s. army general who says this puts a huge amount of pressure on that nation. we'll speak with the former u.s. ambassador to jordan skip ganeen as more coverage continues right after this. well if you start putting that towards your retirement every week and let it grow over time, for twenty to thirty years that retirement challenge might not seem so big after all. ♪ ♪ if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis like me and you're talking to your rheumatologist about a biologic... this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira giving me new perspective. doctors have been prescribing humira for ten years. humira works for many adults. it targets and helps to block a specific
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reaching constantly evolving threatbefore they reach us. that's the value of performance. northrop grumman. continuing coverage of the release of the video of the murdered jordanian pilot and the statement from the jordanian government reads as follows. those who doubted the atrocities committed by isis now have the proof. those who doubted jordan's power will soon see the proof as well. again, this is from the jordanian spokesman saying today on jordanian state-run television after they released this video of his murder. it goes on -- the jordanian military pilot was not the son of one tribe or one city. he is the son of all juror dance. this blood will not be shed in vain. he was not the first martyr in jordan's glorious history and will not be the last serving our nation, our people and our noble faith, and the military wrote
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loss of the jordanians. our sister network sky news reports the jordanian government now plans to execute the prisoner isis had demanded in exchange for the pilot. remember who this prisoner is. this prisoner is one of a husband and wife team. she was the wife. they carried out an attack in jordan with suicide bombs. her husband's bomb went off and killed him. hers did not. they captured her and sentenced her to forever plus death. she's been on death row, and there's her picture and now jordan says we're killing her. let's bring in edward "skip" gnehm. mr. ambassador, thank you. >> thank you. >> two thoughts about what will happen. one is we know there will be pressure on jordan's king abdullah and from many in his constituency. we further know there will be pressure to avenge this death and that the king has said publicly that he wants to do so,
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that he wants to get after isis. your thoughts on what will and should happen. >> well, shep this is a tragedy. it's just awful, and i lived in the country. i know the people and i know the king and government. this will all be felt very personally, as you've reported already. i think that if -- and i do believe what was said earlier in the program and that it was concocted by i.s., the whole thing was to cause trouble from the government from its people in the hopes, i think of separating jordan out of coalition. let me tell you this. in 2005 -- >> mr. ambassador i want you to continue your thought but i want the viewer to know these are live pictures i've just been informed, the king of jordan center screen on capitol hill. let's listen for a second to hear if he has anything to say.
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>> thank you, thank you. my understanding is that is our fox live news camera which is able to get a live feed out and that was only on fox, and it's my understanding that that was just a look. you saw patrick leahy and others and i'm assured by multiple people in our booth that that was a live picture. that to me is surprising to me. ambassador gnehm, continue. >> if they hope to divide jordan out of the coalition they made a mistake. look back to 2005 when the public opinion in those days was very largely in support i ever of al qaeda and their opposition to the united states and somewhat to zarqawi who was
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another terrorist at the time and the hotels and the bombings and weddings, killed all muslims, and that's when sajida was picked up. and public support went from 80% down to 40s, totally supporting the government taking drastic action, and i predict that that will be the reaction in jordan today. >> i know -- go ahead. >> there will be those have been and will be who will say why are we in this? we shouldn't be in it and what i should say is the jordanian people and government have been fighting terrorism for almost all of their existence. go back into the '50s, the '60s and '70s, plo in those days hijacking airplanes one of their prime ministers was assassinated and these people know what it means to be a victim of terrorists. >> if they are dedicated to fighting terrorists and they are the next door neighbors will they take their muslim boots and put their muslim boots on the ground against these people who
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have bastardized this religion in an effort to wipe them out, or are we still looking for somebody to do it? >> well, i think in responsible to your question they have boots on the ground but they are probably in the intelligence service and probably in cover doing covert work. >> you know what i mean. >> i do. >> somebody has got to send a message at some point that the world will not stand for this and you can't have -- the current wisdom seems to be you can't have american boots killing muslims on the ground. they got to go over there and take care of a problem that began there and needs to end there. are jordanians up to it? >> the jordanians are up to it if they are in a bigger group, but they are a small country. they have a small military. they are not going to be able to do it alone but you're quite right and that's the message. it's only if you deal with the ideology and that's what's threatening the region and that's what they are aiming to use to try and take over the region but the country and
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others know about this but they have not yet put those boots on the ground you're quite right. >> thanks very much. i've just gotten breaking news of isis arrests and our analysis continues on the military side right after this. er. ...that sound good? not being on this phone call sounds good. it's not muted. was that you jason? it was geoffrey! it was jason. it could've been brenda.
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breaking news now on fox news channel. police in canada announced they have arrested a suspected islamic state fighter. this comes after the arrest of through suspected isis recruiters in ottawa last month. ottawa is where the gunman shot and killed a soldier and then stormed the parliament building back in october, and an official says today's arrest is related to the terror cell they busted in january. according to the police, the cell was focused on fighting with the islamic state overseas not conducting terror attacks at home. retired lieutenant general daniel whitey bulger joins us now, author of "why we lost, a general's inside account of the iraq and afghanistan wars."
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sir, thanks for being here. >> thanks shep. >> how if at all does this change things? >> i think it's just a reminder to us how dangerous isis is. you know, they do horrible acts like this for recruiting, believe it or not. this is what they use to get -- to get unemployed young men in their part of the world to join their forces, and based on the report out of canada and our part of the world, too. >> is it your sense that there's something different that the military can now do? might there be the will for something more or is it time to continue to let this play out the way we've been conducting the campaign? >> well you know a soldier who is moving on emotion is not a smart soldier so military people would tell you that as frustrating and horrific as this is, you've got to take the long view, and you've got to continue on the task that's going to do the most damage to isis and that is targeted strikes against their leadership. the leaders who perpetrated this should never go to sleep not wore egthat someone is going to
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come busting through their door and put a bullet in their head. >> and that was in part the message of all parties here was that we'll do this if we can. the jordanians went further than the united states said they would go but at any rate the jordanians sending the message that they would do more and you're getting king abdullah will get home to jordan in the next couple of hours and make a similar statement. what can be said from our military? is there something else that can be done, or because of the emotion involved do you just have to let this brew? >> yeah. what you have to watch shep is doing a knee-jerk reaction on an attempted hostage raid with incomplete intelligence something like that. those things are very very difficult even when you have the best intel in the world so what we need to do is stay steady on and stay after the leadership of isis. their feeling the heat right now. that's what these horrific acts indicate. they are worried about their recruitment. they are concerned about their ability to get money. we need to keep that pressure up, and that means we need to keep hitting them keep hitting
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them in ways that we see publicly, with air strikes and things and the ways we don't see. jordan has an excellent intelligence service, and i'm quite certain they are very active right now. >> at some certain they are very active right now. >> sometimes when being pushed into a corner as you just described them, you may act in a knee-jerk way. the opposite way to act is to slow down. in this case they slowed down. they created the video which i assure you the likes of which i have never seen from any organization of this type not even from our own government about matters of this kind. it's 23-plus minutes long. it's the wrong way to describe things, but it is beautifully done from the editing and production standpoint. if what they are trying to do is entice more to come along video is a good one. >> yeah absolutely. no, they know what they are doing. propaganda is one of their great strengths. and this group isis is particularly media savvy. they use modern social media extremely well.
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so that's a real strength that they have. and that's why we have to keep our pressure and keep going after and killing their leadership. >> lieutenant general daniel bolger, hope that happens. nice to talk to you, thank you. we'll continue our analysis in a moment. no super-slow-motion footage of trucks splashing through the mud. no cowboy hats, horses or hay bales. just a ram 3500 that head to head can out-tow ford's f-350 by more than one and a half tons.
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to recap what has happened this hour, i went through to tell you what was on there. i didn't give you the american translation of what the pilot said before he was murdered. they made him say some things. among the things he said to the arab world, quoting our government is cooperating with the zionist entity. and if we want to defend islam, then why we don't send our jets to target assad forces and the
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jews that are closest to us and defend the holy site of the muslim. for the parents, stop defending your children in the fight against islam. i say this for your children in order they don't go through this as i have and for the parents not to feel the same pain that is felt by my wife and relatives. a lot of pressure is on the jordan jordanian region. and there's a lot of pressure for them to understand that we all get it that it is not islam, not even close. as george bush first put it in the days after 9/11 speaking to all of us on that fateful day, islam is a religion of peace these others are not islam.
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protests erupting in jordan after a video appears to show isis burning a jordanian pilot alive. the democratic congresswoman who says enough is enough and we've got to do something that we've not done up to now. welcome, everybody. i'm neil cavuto stowe. as we speak u.s. intelligence agencies are painfully studying a pretty painful videotape just released by isis that appears to show the jordanian pilot in his cell being burned alive with a liquid.
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