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killed her. jenna: irony of the timing, the white house mentioning her name all add a little more to this. shep, thank you so much for getting on for us. up. we will continue to cover the development. in the meantime "outnumbered" starts now. this is "outnumbered." and harris faulkner is here. melissa francis and dagan mcdowel and former ambassador to the u.n. john bolton. we have had amazing mustaches on
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the couch and i want to know who is the best? >> i don't think that is a fair question. >> it is very diplomatic of you -- >> i just did. >> i have been trying to get him to grow sideburns. i am still working on it. >> let's get started. jordan's king saying it is just the beginning and jordan's military writing on the bomb we are told "you the enemy of true muslims". the fighting is intensifying as we learn more about pow powerful isis is. the director of the intelligence agencies warned earlier this week they extend well beyond iraq and syria and in a many countries and they have $2
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billion in oil money. the president is expected to formally ask congress to authorize the use of military force against isis. this as national security advoy susan rice will talk at the top of the hour. oliver north is warning however not acting might give a death throw to us. >> the real problem is the whoit house. not out there. the jordanian have giving us a great opportunity with the contacts conducted whether it was syria or iraq or both. the jordanians are in this. this is an opportunity for the united states and it may be lost because the president can't act. >> speaker boehner came out
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saying this is well and good. why is the president going to congress now, number one. and doesn't he as boehner says need it too make the case himself? >> i think the president missed enorm opportunities. we have given them time to consolidate their position. it isn't just missing the opportunity now. we have been missing it for a while. why is he getting around to the authorization of force? he is the commander and chief and doesn't need to do this constitutionally but if we wants authorization he should tell them that. >> i want to play sound from richard burr who has been in office a long time. he said for the first time in
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his tenure he fears an attack on the homeland. >> in 14 years serving on the intelligence committee in the house or senate i have greater fears today about something happening in the homeland than at any time at 9/11. >> very scary. the ambassador said president obama doesn't need to be to congress to authorize force. he doesn't need to do that. >> more than 70% according to one poll i think a fox news poll, say they fear an attack on the homeland from isis at any time. and you talk about susan rice who is going to speak later and we are hearing in advance she will talk about a strategy of patience that doing nothing for all of this time was part of the strategy and the idea. ambassador bolton does that make sense to you? >> it describes what the
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administration did around the world which is very little. they used this phrase before in connection with the policy toward north korea which has been a policy of watching for six years while north korea made progress on missiles. they were trying avoid the bush errors. but watching a nuclear program develop might be patience but not strategic >> the longer we let this go on you haveself-financing and self-sustaining economy that is isis. they are the mobbed and engrained in these communities throughout the middle east where it is extortion, kidnapping extracting payments and selling an
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antiques and things. >> senator burr says an attack on the homeland could be imnent you have the president going to congress, and you have ambassador rice saying it is strategic. will susan rice articulate a strategy today? >> the answer is no. last year the international terror threat was said to be as great as it was before 9/11 so the bases of this isn't a war on terror and there is no need to have americans in the region is being disproved every day. i am surprised isis' assets are not higher than $2 billion.
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they control an area larger than the uk and they have national budget that ahead of us. they are building a state. and every day that goes by and we don't challenge them allows them to build up. >> one of the reports i did had to do with this islamic manifesto about how women will live under the rule. i want to bring in shepherd smith who is reporting the story that was happening at the end of "happening now." he has learned more information. isis claiming a female hostage was killed in an airstrike. shep, what are you learned? >> reporter: the jordanians haven't commented on this but catherine heritage's group is
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highly skeptical of the killing of his aid working who was dealing with the on-going civil war. something that tells you about this wonderful woman is she told a story about a syrian man who after the explosion was separated from his family and he came to her as a simple aid worker and said can you help me find my son and showed him a picture. time went by and she reunited the two and gave a quote: "this is the reality of the situation. when they hear i am american they say where is the world, this is the only thing i can do for them; cry.
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this is who they sent a proof of life video out after christmas and we have heard nothing since then. fast forward to the jordanians going in and no one on earth, as conner powell put it understands the use of media and social media better than isis. on the heels of jordan carrying out the airstrikes isis admits the only american hostage is dead and the jordanian did it. here is a good way to look at it. they had one american hostage and played their last american cad. there is no execution or video because they claim the jordanian did it. where is isis now? they lost their last chit with america. our american hostage who has been held there for a year and a half confirmed dead by the isis
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forces. we are working to see what the official response is from the ground here. when we get that we will bring it to you. but great uncertainty about how she died but the reality setting in she has died. we will only use her name after people who need to know this know. >> many people were during a weekly press meeting a week ago, an advisor to the white house dripped her first name. >> he didn't mean it. >> but it brought her back into the headline. an aid worker in turkey and we have her journey, we are waiting to hear from the white house/state department or those officials that might speak on this. it is interesting what you say and what the military says. they said this is the beginning. you will know who the jordanian
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are was the statement of the their military yesterday. can you give us an idea of what the favor/emotion is as they go after isis at this point? that definitely kicked in. >> i can tell you what it feels like to me. >> okay. >> they are horrified about what happened just like the rest of the world. no one could believe that barbarians could do something like this to a human being and then video tape it and showing it it to the world. it is the most repulsive think i have seen. i think they knew in advance and made the decision to execute a couple prisoners of war and they did it. they said we will give a show of force and send jets out and did it. within 48 hours of it beginning,
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isis comes up saying careful, look what your people did to our people. look what your people did to an american hostage. this is for local consumption. we will see if they buy it. i doubt it. >> thank you, shepherd smith. we have ambassador john bolton. the timing is perfect and spot-on for this. i want to know what you are thinking in terms of how shepherd set it up. because the timing is interesting. >> we don't know very much but i would say this woman was probably dead in captivity a while ago and now they have an excuse and will it to that affect. people look at the barbarity of the beheadings and killing of the pilot and that is intended
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to intimidate the other states the iraqi army and the kurds. >> you heard him say the last chit against us. >> i don't agree with that. they with killing westerns japanese, if they could get more americans they would do it. we have seen this with terrorist groups around the world and the chances of kidnapping americans is intense >> what do you think the response from washington on the heels of this? what do you think the president will do? >> i don't think the president will do anything. i think his policy rest on the assumption that asserting power creates more terrorist and withdrawing helps. >> the american people are watching this. and jordan's action in word and deed look so strong compared to
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what we have done. >> of course. and it is. >> don't you think there is going to be a rising tide of anger within the american people that we are not doing more? >> i think there is. i think there will be. i think we saw that after the beheading of the two americans last year. what did the president change in his policy? zip. >> so where does this propel us? if he continues to retreat and be more insular how does it play out in your mind? >> i think the king in jordan obviously is facing -- this is a very difficult country for him. it is a construct of the british and there is a million refugees coming from syria now and i think he is pursuing what he needs to. but they need american participation. it is going to be unpleasant if
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you have objective is to do stroy isis. >> earlier this week we heard the president react to the killing in that atrocious way of the jordanian pilot. and he said what he said after james foley beheading which is i am working to build an international coalition. it is the same talking point and i find it hard to believe he is going to get the muslim world behind him or any coalition behind him if he cannot articulate this. he said the united states should get off their high horse. you see an american killed and he is continuing to blame the united states of america. what is it going to take? you heard shep say this is the last chit. you said the propensity to
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kidnap more americans is high. what happens then? the white house sits silence? >> i think when fanatics see weakness they take advantage of it. our advisaries see this all over with him in charge. i think we will see acceleration from the terrorist and others. i am afraid this is the beginning of a grim picture. >> as harris said we will keep you updated on the breaking news. and i mentioned the prayer breakfast and president obama is under fire for trying to draw comparison between islamic terrorist and atrocities from christianity's past. the outrage this is sparking. we will get bolton's thought on that coming up.
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laws >> america has been grappling with these issues throughout history. unless we get on a high horse and think this is unique. remember during the crusades people committed terrible deeds in the name of christ. in our home country, slavery and jim crowe was all too often justified in the name of christ. >> the former mayor of new york said the history is all wrong. >> the crusades were in contrary to the words of jesus christ. the president as a historian gets an f. as a theologian he gets an f minus. when is he standing up for us and the western values?
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>> ambassador bolton people were outraged by the comments. your thoughts? >> they should be outraged. the president's responsibility to is protect the interest in the here and now. just showing how educated he is and his appreciation of history isn't helping. no body today engaged in the crusades or jim crowe today. they are interesting subjects to look into but the president is unwilling to condemn this for what it is. it is radical islam. it is linked to the religion. if you are not able to articulate the ideas you cannot deal with them. >> i take my family to church
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every sunday and i am offended not as a christian but a religious person. i think what he says gives them a religious out saying this is a religion. >> he is right in the abstruct that religious fanatics have led to depravement over the centuries. >> let's go back to the beginning of the last millennial time to make christians feel bad. it was a christian holy war in response to the muslim war. >> isn't that the point? at a time he should be saying what ambassador bolton is saying, standing up for the peaceful people of islam and otect them. why doesn't he say they preverted it.
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>> or at the least -- preverted -- give a speech about unity and the good that comes from people's faith. call it what it is: evil. >> evil that needs to be wiped off the face of the earth. >> he has said some things like that and he has said terrorism and he says violent extremism. i think it is interesting the timing he is making the comments. he spoke after a meeting with the muslim leaders in an off the camera meeting. it is the first meeting with the muslims he has had since taken office. he could have had one at any point in the presidency and it would have been applicable to what is going on. we don't know all of the notes and details coming out because only so much is public but i
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would be curious to know if some of the language was informed by what he learned there. i would ask him or his deputy press secretary or whoever answers it. the other thing i am curious about is no one said they were not the christian crusades. why don't they call it radical? we understand the history and the value. >> we understand the values of christianity led to the end of slavery and the end of jim crowe. >> he got the facts wrong as well. ambassador bolton when he mentioned the spanish and a hundred people dying, not by the church, but spanish authorities. you think about the hundreds of people that died and that is a normal lunch break for boca haram. >> it was bin laden who called
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.... .... man brian williams about his false time in iraq as more veterans coming forward saying his apology is misleading saying williams left out key facts about him not being in the chopper. the chopper carrying williams wasn't hefb even part of the union that was attacked but linked only by radio. several news outlets are finding discrepancies because once you open the can they will look for everything else. they are finding claims in the post-hurricane katrina story including him saying he saw a
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body floating in the french quarter but the french quarter was saved from the damage. you would see hundreds of millions spent over an anchor's career to put them in that most-trusted position. what are your thoughts on this? >> the most important things are these mistakes were things he wasn't reporting on. he was basing his information on what others were telling him. they were all what he was saying about himself. so i think the lesson ought to be why talk about yourself for this. >> he is not a journalist anymore. he is an entertainer. >> i think it is not creditable he could not remember if his helicopter was hit forget the
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rest. to miss remember? i don't buy it. >> there is a new development and it is troubling because the focus is on the military men serving. now there is discrepancy or dispute about who was flying the helicopter that writes to the tecture of what happened. what are your thoughts? >> i think it is a precarious situation nbc defending the face of their network and go toe-to-toe with stories from the u.s. military. when i am listening to this and the next question i said was going to be what else did he lie about and here we are. i believe the members of the military. you have a news organization oppositional to members of the military and it is another point, and i did crises communication, when you make a mistake, getting that apology
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right is critical. you have to make sure if you are going to have a public statement you nail it down and get your facts straight. >> how about fouled up? i am a southerner. i embellish. but my parents warned me early on doing tv before doing it full-time even, but everything coming out of your mouth better be accurate. you cannot embellish a story. >> there is a different. my birth state of georgia is calling. >> there is a difference between your memories and your stories. as someone who wrote a memoir you look at the past and compare facts with someone else who was there, in my case my dad, and we would remember things differently and we are being honest. you are talking about your life and it is shaded by how you remember the event.
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that is different when you are a journalist sent to a story to record and report back what happened. that is very different. you are there with a very specific lens on reporting facts of what happened. that is what disturbs me about this. >> one thing and researching this for the conversation today that where was looking for was the people in journalism that would step up and shore him up. in the media, we are a punching back. you could make that argument. you will see globbing on because one of the media has fallen. and some people love to see that. but all of that aside this isn't just a member of the media. this is the upper crust. >> that is part of the problem. he is in a level beyond reapproach particularly for the people he works for and with. and so you are flying in rare air and no body is touching you. but beyond that the problem i
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have, is he told the story accurately, then the falsehood and went back and retold the story some years later accurately. he has been going back and forth between what was true and untrue. >> he didn't get the apology right either. what does he do now? >> i think it is too late. they had an opportunity to stop the bleeding and instead of putting a turn kit on it they put salt on the wound and made it worse. to melissa's point, he is there to give us the facts and report it accurately. how is this different when a politician does this? this reminds me of hilary clinton saying she was getting sniper fire and running for cover. but instead of the sniper fire it was little kids giving her flowers. but she didn't take a beating on
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that and this is different. >> the media probably protected her as they typically do. i think the point melissa made is important. i am a corporate litigategator and had people in meetings who might have been on different planets during the meeting but
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casual look which he kept since he was cam can paining. he is breaking with tradition for a very good cause. he will not wear a tie until greece's debt problem is resolved. >> it is amazing that anyone in that country gets out of a speedo. he never wore a tie to begin with and he will not any time soon. >> what makes you think he got out of the speedo. >> it is friday ladies and gentlemen. breakaway speedos. i am curious, though how does that equate with being down it earth. >> i want him to reflect an economic that would be a tank top and shorts. >> that would be the look right there. >> how low is it? >> it is low as you can go basically. this is a big concern.
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they have had serious a usteritiy. and the role problem is that the economy is not growing. >> president rating. and let me get an investor in here. and i don't see you wearing a toy. >> they have to exit the pene pone currency union. and that is a fundmental principle and that means the euro is an automatic curiency. and i think that this is the first stage of cracking up. >> and i talked to a shoulder. and it is a next couple hundred of years. >> ambassador bolton here. >> i and it is "happening now"
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starts right now. >> and isis and a jordanian air strike. it is john scott. and jordan -- >> we begin with shepherd smith in aman, michael jordan. >> jordanians have spoken and said they have no information to support this. and the state department said the same thing. they are skeptical of the clachlt isis claimed that the jordanian air raids conducted air strikes over syria

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