and both dr. siegel and ourselves will come live to answer your questions. >> what age do you get it checked. >> a baseline psa at 340. and then talk to your doctor about your family history. >> i agree with 40. >> that's it. i'm arthel never ill. >> the head of jordan's air force has declared his country has achieved revenge against isis. he says the royal jordanian air force has launched 56 successful air strikes taking out a number of targets including training centers and military barracks. those attacks coming in retaliation for the unspeakable atrocity of their pilot who was so horribly burned alive. but the general also promises that this, he says, is only the beginning. \s hello, everyone, welcome to america's news headquarters. >> as jordan takes the fight to isis lawmakers here at home are questioning our strategy against the terrorists. one of the critics, potential

2016 candidate senator ted cruz who says the u.s. should not rule out sending in ground troops. >> the mission should be defeating isis before they succeed in carrying out more horrific acts of traror, before they succeed in murdering americans. if need be, we should go that step. but it should have been driven by the mission. >> peter duesy is reporting live on this story from washington. peters, what's the latest? >> reporter: we learned today there are already hundreds of americans who have left the states faud fought and train in islamic state controlled territory and returned home. that i according to the house homeland security careman. on too much, that there are but worries that the pentagon's antiisis game plan are no good. retired lieutenant general michael flynn says his former colleagues are confused about

the enemy. into we are kinds of like a football team with a quarterback at the huddle and the quarterback says ready, break. everybody is supposed to step to the line and the team is supposed to move in a synchronized way to the goal line to win. i feel like when we say ready, break, all the play remembers going into different stadium playing different sports. >> things aren't as bad now. according to the president's national security adviser susan roois as they were during world war ii or the cold air. as secretary of state john kerry said sunday, so far the u.s. has taken out many members of isis leadership. and he says that's a good thing. >> now, there is a lot more to do. we have said since the beginning this is a long-term operation not short-term one. but we believe everything, including the governing process in iraq itself, is moving in the right direction. >> another administration official dhs secretary jay

johnson see as different kinds of home grown threat on the horizon, funding troubles at homeland security. he says the agency needs a new budget by the ends of this month to be able to properly protect all the people and places that are now their responsibility. arthel. >> okay, peter duesy. thank you, party. >> also on the terrorism front hearings get underway this week for five of the 9/11 terror attack suspects. we are told there are major issues cropping up in the case against them. all this developing down at gitmo and guantanamo bay. when the pre president was campaigning in 2008 he said he was going to shut the facility down. despite a reduction in the number of detainees there the facility is still holding the terror suspects including the accused architect of the 9/11 attacks. chief intelligence correspondent catherine harris is live atgan bay. >> our fox news team was here nearly three years ago when the

five 9/11 suspects were arraigned in the maximum security courthouse. the 9/11 suspects are back in court today at a time when there is still no date certain for a jury selection or even a trial at this point. the first order of business on monday will be whether an fbi investigation into the defense team of 9/11 conspirator ram me bin al shib has so tainted the case that he will have to be tried separately from the four coconspirators. for context he is alleged top part of the hamburg cell that finalized the 2001 plot. there is another controversy hanging over the 9/11 case. and it's that of female security guards at camp seven where the 9/11 suspects are held. one of the high value detainees refused the touch of a gee mail guard back in october. and since there has essentially been a block on female guards moving the men from the camp to the high security courthouse. and it's also had the effect, a

spillover effect, full for the 9/11 suspects who now have a temporary retraining order from female guards again moving them from the camp 7 site to the security courthouse. and the leading member of the intelligence committee says this is an incident that shows it hags really gone too far. >> how dare these men who have created such a threat to america now tell us how we can run the united states army the united states navy and our marines. this is -- this is a complete flipover of the apple cart and this president has allowed this to happen. >> we just had a news conference here at the camp justice center, which is where the reporters rate for the military commissions. we heard both from the chief prosecutor as well as the defense attorneys for three of the 9/11 sptsds. and what we heard universally. >> none of them believe that this case will be finished by the end of the president's second term. and that is significant because while the president has promised to close the guantanamo

detention camp they all have the expectation that these trials will continue here at the military courthouse. and that really begs the question at this point eric, what does closed really mean in this context. >> catherine, thanks for your reporting. iran's foreign minister says he hopes a washington post reporter held in iran will be charged -- or cleared of all charges. iran won't even say what charges he is facing. the reporter, jason rozion has been jailed since july. his case was recently assigned to a judge known for sentencing journalists to long prison terms, lashings and even death. no bomb, and no apparent trar link after scary incident at a coast guard station in michigan. personnel had to leave their station after someone reportedly called in a bomb threat. this as a man they say ram his

truck right lieu the front dates. we are in the new york city newsroom with the latest. >> reporter: that phone call threatening to bomb the u.s. coast guard station came just after 6:00 this morning prompting an immediate evacuation of all personnel at the station and coast guard sector field office located in gran haven michigan. about 40 minutes west of grand rapids. but as people were evacuating the building, a man crashed his full-sized dodge ram truck through the station's security gate broke into a building, and once inside attacked coast guard personnel. they suffered only minor injuries. coast guard members subdued the man until police arrived and arrested him. the suspect is a 34-year-old michigan man. he has not been identified. but we know he is not a resident of the area. the fbi is helping in the investigation. >> we are investigating this as we have to as a act of domestic terrorism. we're unsure of the suspect's

motives. we're unsure whether he was acting alone or in concert with someone else. we're trying to determine all those questions. and we evacuated the coast guard personnel to our station. and we were unclear as to the depth of the threat. >> authorities have not found any link to terrorism or a terrorist organization. technicians checked the truck and the station and founz no explosive devices. the coast guard station blb has been deemed safe. roads have been reopened. and an order to shelter for residents living in condos across from the station has been lift. we are also learning authorities believe this suspect is linked to a success spigs spishs fire set in oceanic county michigan about an hour drive north of the coast guard station. >> thanks for the details. the teenager, the teenager, accused of opening fire at a crowded mall near pittsburgh will be tried as an adult. investigators say the 17-year-old was targeting one

specific person, but also shot two bystanders before running off. investigators say they rock theed him down using surveillance video and social media. two of the victims are in critical condition. the teen faces aggravated assault and attempted homicide charges. now back to the developments overseas. this week's meeting might be the last last chance to prevent what is being predicted as a potential all out war in you korean. that's reportedly the warning from some western leaders. top diplomats from germany, france russia and ukraine are now gearing up for yet another rounds of meetings later this week. over this weekend they met in munich along with secretary of state john kerry and vice president joe biden. the goal try to reveev the peace plan that was put into plan in september. this time stick to it. the west as you know, accuses russia of supplying those troops and equipment to those pro-russian separatists in

eastern ukraine. they have been clashing violately. russia denies the claims but they have been gaining more grounds since the seesfire. the war has left more than 5300 people dead. kit be stopped? david druker, a senior correspondentent for the washington examiner. the main question is why would a potential new agreement this week stick when this september seesfire has not? >> reporter: it probably won't. putin has an agenda. and he's very crafty. he finds ways of agreeing to things to buy time and make people think as though he's going to be amenable to some sort of peace agreement. and then he goes back to doing what he does best. >> he has of course denied that he has supplied those pro-russian separatists. and we had a very stunning display from petro poroshenko the attorney and president who held up two fist. s of russian passports the other

day at a news conference. how can putin be respond? is that possible? can he be tamed? he wants a new russia? >> i don't think that putin had been tamed. it's possible over time the teetering russian economy is finally going to do him in. he has found ways of getting around. that i think the question now is what is the west going to do about it? will the u.s. provide actual weapons, defensive weapons, but weapons to help ukraine fight this? so far we haven't shown an inclination to do that. and even though in europe they have gotten a bit testy about putin, i don't think we have seen much from them that would really change putin's minds. in order to change his mind you are really going to have to put the screws to him. that means stepping up the support to you ooen crane and probably a new rounds of really devastating economic sanctions if that's possible at this point. >> the rebels have taken hundreds of square miles since the september seesfire right there on the russian-ukraine

border. you can see the incursion in the pink from the russian rebels. how can they be stopped? john mccain and others say we should arm there. but merckel she says that would only inflame the situation. >> anything we might do to help is going to enflame putin more and it is going to embolden him to continue to do what he has done. he got the peninsula and that didn't stop him and he wants to continue to take over the rest of ukraine. >> he is going to continue and go on until what happens? >> until he gets the whole thing. >> do you think he will? >> i think it's possible. i think to laugh it off -- we laughed off when he took part of georgia and we thought the crimian peninsula, it's always been ethnically russian, we don't fight that much and that state yates them. but as you can see putin's plan

doesn't appear rational from an american's point of view. i think in many ways the worse the kmee gets the more attractive this sort of action becomes because it can help dissfrakt his failure as a leader. >> that wasn't supposed to be the intention of these sanction. it seems they haven't worked. >> every time a putin sees an offramp he speeds up faster and heads to the next highway. >> is there a possibility if the russian economy really falters potentially and there can be more more bodies bags come brack from ukraine that potentially that could have a backlash against putin or do you just see him digging in and continuing his stance to gobble up more of that territory? >> i see him doing that insofar as his people are willing to stand for it. and he has such autocratic control over russia anyway that any time there is a chance for an uprising it's usually squashed before it can gain popular sentiment. he hasn't shown any indication that he cares about what we

think. >> he's on an annexation skmarch does not seem to be stopping. david druker, good to see you. thank you. >> thank you. >> fox news brings you all the latest on the race for the white house. tonight, don't miss fox news reporting election 2016, the many early contendsers. brett bayer sits down with one of them wisconsin governor, scott walker. here is a sneak peek at the show. ♪ bring back oh, bring back wisconsin to me. >> courageous. >> blinds ambition. >> compassion ateatecompassionate ♪ bring back wisconsin to me. >> fateful. >> polite and deadly at the same time. >> the honorable scott walker. >> they are talking about scott walker, 45th governor of wisconsin. to some, he's a political pit bull. to others, he is the savior of

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exemption. the darker the red, that means that the higher the percentage. now, several states are considering changing the vaccination laws. but with public safety at the heart of this issue, the question is should there be a federal mandate? here to discuss this, we have tom borely. he is a former fellow for the u.s. house of representatives committee on science space, and technology who has a ph.d. in biochemistry. and judy miller is here, an author and journalist and fox news contributor who also wrote a best selling book called germs. two well qualified people to talk about this. good to see you both. >> good to see you. i'm. >> i'm going to ask you both the same question but i'm going to give judsy the first shot. since she is sitting right here. >> ladies first. >> should this be a state decision or a federal decision. >> >> it's got to be a federal station. public safety is a national security issue. germs do not recognize state borders or national borders.

the federal government has an obligation to keep us healthy and safe. and that's what's at issue here. this virus spreads so quickly that 90% of the people around someone who is infected are likely to be become infected if they are not vaccinated. there is simply no excuse for having 14 states say no we have philosophical exemptions for people who want that. you are endangering other people by not vaccinating your own children. >> you are saying it should be a federal mandate. what do you say, tom. >> absolutely not. it should remain in the states. vaccination is a serious issue and far too many children are not vaccinated. we need to go to the root cause this problem. it is a misinformation. that is the key. with information i'm confident parents will make the right decision for their families. again, the centers for disease control has botched the whole ebola issue. the last thing we need to give

the cdc is more input. their primary role should have been telling parents to get vaccinated and to really dispel the myth between vaccines and autism, which was an issue of scientific fraud. the medical researcher manipulated -- >> you know tom, that information is out there. it's on the internet. and it is sticking with parents. >> a law is not going to change that. but educated people on tv can. that's where it needs to be done education. >> the thing is there are pockets of unvaccinated children in marin county. which has one of the highest education rates and one of the highest financially, they are well off. the cdc has a superb website on measles. >> and it tells you will exactly -- it's the one study that connected autism with the vaccine was debunked in 2010 and that you must vaccinate your children. it's not the here's is your brain on drugs ad. it's not a sexy campaign.

maybe they need to do. that but i think we've got to understand that this is a federal challenge. >> the cdc has been spending time on gun control, on healthy teen dating and alcohol issues. they should go right back to where they started on combatting infectious disease with education. >> if we wait for the states to adopt -- each state to adopt its own rules and regulations you are going to have unequal mandates and unequal protection. we can't do that. >> i don't buy into the -- mr. gruber's view of the world that americans are too stupid to figure things out. i think americans are smart enough with the right information. and we can all agree they haven't been getting the right information. >> you both agree, you are -- you disagree on who should mandating it but you both agree. >> right. >> absolutely. we only need 95% of the population inoculated to get the herd immunity. that leaves room for religious exemption and other special cases. >> let's have it at the federal

level. it's going to take too long if we do it state by state. this disease does not respect time or borders. >> what do you think about immigrants living in the u.s.? should they be required to get vaccinations as well? >> of course. everyone should, this is a public safety issue. >> even if they are here with a work permit or a green card. >> that's a great question because the question is where did the seize originally come from? if the cdc is doing the research and they work for president obama, if it did come from over the borders will we get the right information from the cdc? that's an important question. >> all we know for sure sit came from disneyland and now it's in 14 different states with 14 different regulations on vaksence. >> right. >> i'm chuckling off ka re because tom just snuck a fast one in there. >> what? >> me? >> would i do that. all right, tom, and judy, inc. thank you. good discussion. >> thank you. >> thank you very much.

you know getting your stuff together to get ready for to do your taxes there is a warning from officials in more than a dozen states. turns out one of the most popular tax prep software programs apparently has some problems. brendan butler is here to fill us in. plus a bishop with a message so powerful it can lift up a church of 30,000 people. we're going to take you inside his amazing journey night later on tonight here on the fox news channel john stollest has his special at 1:00 p.m. eastern tonight. it's called no plan no problem. spontaneous order that explores the theory and the trends of crowd funding. how you can raise money on line. >> anybody can raise money for absolutely any idea anywhere in the world. >> crowd funding began long before the internet. it helped pay for the statue of liberty. >> the statue was free from the french. but the other half, they didn't have enough money. >> they didn't have money for the base of the statue. so a newspaper, the new york world, asked its readers for

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turbo tax we're told is back up and running after being on hold amid security concerns. the tax preparation software company stopped processing returns about 24 hours after some state agencies reported a rise in filings with stolen personal information. turns out an internal investigation found the breaches they say did not involve the software but some criminals apparently findsing that information elsewhere. disturba tax says new fraud protections are now in place. but some states have raised some red flags about these problems. what does this mean for us? brenda butler is with us. she is the anchor of bulls and bears. you stith sit in front of your computer. one thing, now i have got to pay

taxes. and how much are you going to get back? i'm like this in front of the computer. like a flat line. i can't figure all this stuff out. >> you are in the high tax blanket. >> hello. what does it mean if you can't trust your turbo tax? >> this is a big deal. it is the most popular do-it-yourself software around. 30 million people used it last year. this was not a hack on turbo tax or the software but bad guys go to aunds ground shopping mall where they can buy all your personal information. it's become that huge. and basically to go on line and file with turbo tax and get somebody else's refunds all you need is their social security. >> no that's what was going on. >> the shopping mall -- it's not in our neighbor. it's out there in cyberspace somewhere. >> one congressional investigation quoted a drug dealer who said why should i go out and deal drugs when i can sit in a hotel room and get lots of other people's refunds. >> what would happen fur sung by

this? would you not get a refund. >> they would, but it's going to take a long long time. you know, you really should file your refunds as early as possible so you can beat the bad guys to the punch. and also, don't give out your social security number if a business asks you for it. say why do you need that? don't carry it around with you. and have you know change your pass words. >> that's what they say, every once in a while is that don't use 1, 2, 3, 4. >> at one point minnesota stopped dealing with turbo tax and 18 other states had problems. now all of that is stop? it's okay to use. >> no, a lot of the states, that's the question. who knows? but a lot of the states are not giving back refunds until they wait and find out. and this is all based on states. it's not federal. it hasn't affected the irs at all. that's another good point. if you get an e-mail from the irs do not open it. they do not sends e-mails. that's probably afishing scam.

>> that's important. at times you get stuff and it looks real. >> do not open it. do not touch it. >> from right now from your point of view, it's safe to use turbo tax or one of those? >> i don't know that it's safe right now. i would wait a little while. and you may not get your refun right away. >> i'm telling the irs, brenda hold the me nothing is safe, don't do it. brenda, thank you. of course you can catch brenda on bulls and bears every sunday morning 10 a.m. eastern right here on the fox news channel. as we celebrate black history month we are bringing some remarkable stories to you from inside the african-american community. today, we meet bishop t.d. jaks who leads a mega church with over 30,000 members. >> why give up on your daughter when god can save her. why give up on your son when god

can change. i believe! yeah, yeah. >> you know what's so interesting to me, and in full disclosure, my family members in dallas frequent your church, the father's house. i'm always impressed at the numbers of people that you shaw. how in the world do you preach to so many people and yet have a life opening moment for this one and for that one? >> i think i practiced so long with seven and eight people in a i'm so in tune to the individual that the masses of people are not my focus. i really don't feel like i am preaching to 8,000 people or 20,000 in a streaming online. i really feel like i am talking to you. they believe the dream more than the reality and shatter reality and walk into the dream. >> nicknamed the bible boy when he was just 10-year-olds, he carried around the good book everywhere he went. thomas jess ter jakes td, grew

up believing he was put on this earth to save souls. >> i have people in my chaurch that i went to kindergarten with? were you preaching when you were 5? >> no. i was a little boy just like everybody else. that's the greatness of my story. it's the ordinariness of who i am. i have not tried to lift myself up as some icon of accomplishment. but rather a fellow struggling in the tempest youous waves of life. >> one of those waves shook the bishop's core early on. he lost his father to kidney disease when he was just 16, a loss that ultimately drove him to the pulpit seth up in montgomery west virginia. >> my bishop gave me 200 which was the first month's rent, and $200 deposit and told me to go for it. and i worked a job every day for

union corpsed by and in the evenings i would drive to preach an hour and 15 minutes from where i lived. and nrnlly literally with nobody there. >> how did they find out about you? >> i'd get on the piano and start playing the piano. i'm tenacious. now that's one thing you need to know about me. i'm very tenacious. >> thanks for the note. >> write that down. in the name of jesus -- >> to watch him preach, it is easy to see the you are above his message one that's strong enough to support a church with more than 30,000. >> i think to some degree my destiny is to help you finds yours. i think that's a very important element of my center. >> with all these good intentions the bishop has faced critics who questioned some of the teachings and the wealth he as amassed from his books and movies. >> you have said in this job people will rob you of your humanity if you will let them. wow, i thought it was tough fwhg the news. >> it's tougher in the ministry

because they will either deify you or crucify you. but they won't ever normalize you. we love to put people in categories and rob them of their individuality. i'm not having it. >> far him,is' part of the trade. but as a father of five it hasn't made raising his children easier. >> how hard is it having normality, raising children, teenagers -- >> oh, girl. please. >> i mean just in the public eye but just in jen sflool it was horrible. >> worse when he found out his 13-year-old daughter sarah was pregnant. >> what lesson can you teach me as i'm raising my daughter? no, i -- i've been blessed to get this time with you, and i'm -- i want to know. because -- >> my daughter wrote me a letter after she had had her baby. she said i'm sorry that i hurt you and. movement bear in mind she was still a child herself. i cannot even describe to you

what that was for me emotional emotionally. i was shocked and appalled. she told me she was worth it all to s me. >> you are going to make me cry. >> i told her i'm more interested in being your daddy than i am your preacher. you can get a pastor anywhere but you have one chance to be a daddy. and she made it through this. but it was my opportunity to show her that love is tough enough to be stretched and not shattered. >> his latest book, instinct became an instant new york times best seller. the book helps people finds their inner drive so they can ultimately reach their full potential. where does your drive come from? >> my faith, that i have a purpose that's bigger than me. >> do you ever turn it off? >> it's hard to turn it off. i have 300 people on staff. but the responsibility of making that payroll, you know what i mean, is heavy. and not to mention, the greatest

responsibility is over the souls with whom you have influence. reality is you might be superman on that stage. you are clark kent when you get home. >> i like clark kent. >> yeah. >> as lois lane, i'm a fan. >> good deal. >> that was fox news harris faulkner. thanks harris. >> very special person. you know about stranger danger, if you are a parent you know about the warnings to our kids. did you hear about this? one family used staging a fake kidnapping in order to team. their six-year-old about stranger danger. now they are facing felony charges. is this a case of good intentions going too far? our legal panel weighs in next. >> it makes me sick to think that something like this would happen to a child.

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stranger danger. police say they lured the boy into a truck tied him up with a plastic bag, and covered his head with a jacket. now, they allegedly each toelz him they were going to sell him into sex slavery. >> he takes him out for a ride of terror, which is -- you know the boy starts immediately crying when he is told he is never going to see his mother again. when he doesn't stop crying he shows him a gun and says if you don't be create quiet you are going to be harmed. >> investigators say the scheme involved the victim's mother aunt, gran mother and the aunt's coworker. they face charges including kidnapping and child abuse. we have a defense attorney here. heather hanson is also here defense attorney. good to see both of you. heather, since you are right next to me i'll start with you. are these charges too much or spot on. >> under the law, this meets the division of kidnapping. the only reason they might have

a defense here is because you have to have an intent to harm the child or an intent to tries the child. the fact they could argue they didn't have an intent. the thing with kidnapping it's a more general intent type of crime. they can still be found guilty. i think what will happen is there will be a deal. >> a deal like what. >> a plea deal they will serve a little bit of time. remember, too, if these people are take tony jail who is going to raise the child >> right now i understand the boy is placed in protective custody. then i want to know would it be possible for another relative to get custody or is he going to ends up in the foster care system >> in child abuse cases they will first look for placement with the relatives. i feel like what the mother and grandmother and opt did is child abuse. i don't think this child is safe in their care. what they normally do -- in new jersey we have dccp. they will find a relative do a

background check and place that child there. i don't think this child needs to be -- they inreflected so much trauma on this child. >> that's the other thing. this kid is not going to forget it. i think they going to have psychological scars. >> i looked into that scared straight, the idea where they did that. i looked into that and it turns out the kids that went into that program were 20% more likely to commit offenses. this type of thing whether in small doses or something ridiculous like this doesn't work for children and it does scar them. >> this child is six years old. i did a mock hostage situation. we were told i was in the federal law enforcement training academy years ago and they told us we are going to have a mock hostage situation. even though they told us when it happened, i still felt the effects of what if this was real. >> and you were an azmult an adult. i can only imagine with this 6-year-old little boy, being told he is never going to see his mom again. >> what do you think -- is it possible -- i'm not taking sides here. i'm just asking the questions. is it possible these parents --

again, they didn't intend to harm the kid. they did though, psychologically, for sure. is it possible that they learned the lesson that they can get counselling and then keep the child? i don't know. >> i would think social services would have to be involved. as keisha said this mother clearly doesn't have the right tools to best deal with these situations. somebody is going to have to get involved to help raising this child. whether a family member or social services. >> before they do a reunification so to speak they will have to do a psychological evaluation of the mother to make sure she is fit enough to have this child back. they won't automatically place him back with them. >> the mother is charged with felony kidnapping and abuse or neglect of a child. the others are charged with felony kidnapping felonyious restraint and abuse or neglect of a child. if all of these charges stick, what sort of jail hooim time are we looking at? >> 10 to 30 years depending which charges stick and whether or not the kidnapping charge

sticks. there are a couple other defense, they could argue they were trying to keep the child from danger. they have a tough uphill battle on every one of the defenses. >> would it be considered if the another and the aunt, and the another and the gran mother who i would assume are raising the little boy, would they consider if they put them in jail then who is going to raise the boy. >> at that point it becomes what's in the best interests of the child. just because they are his mom or grand mother or auchbtd doesn't mean he is better with them. i think the crime is heinous and i think jail time is warranted. even though their intent wasn't to go through with it they actually did it. they took him from a location, threatened all these crazy things -- >> and then when they -- excuse me -- so this is according to authorities, the coworker held the -- told the boy that he wouldn't see his mommy again. and in a he would be nailed to the wall of a shed. and then the little boy started crying so he showed him a hands gun to make him stop crying.

then the man tied the child's hands and feet with plastic bags. blinds folded him with a jacket. the shaerves office says this before he drove the little boy of the to his home. then he says the boy was kept in the basement of his home for a while before untied and told to go upstairs where he was lectured about staying away from strangers. >> this needs to be psychological evaluation of everyone involved in this situation. it is a crime. when push comes to shove it doesn't matter whether or not that child be with family members. it is a crime. >> the grand mother i believe is 58. the mother is 25. just painting the picture for you. >> right. and must like with attempted crimes. they are still prosecuted as if they completed the crime. so in this case, it's similar to me that even though they didn't intend to do harm to this child they did psychological harm that will last forever. >> they intended to scare him. >> for the record i'm all about

child protection and child safety, just for the record. good to see both of you. eric. >> you know, just a few hours, music's biggest stars will be sweeping down the red carpet. they will be strutting

♪ take it off ♪ >> that is taylor swift will she sweep up tonight on the hottest night in music? >> the 57th grammy award. we are in los angeles. michael, what is the grammy news? >> i am jealous. tell us about the grammys. >> they call it the grammy affect the idea that although the grammys actually are the least amount of trophies during the televised show they have the greatest impact on the bottom line. in 1990 when bonnie raitt swept

the awards her album shot off the charts the next day and got the first top 20 album in what was then a long career. last year eight of the top 20 songs were performed live. the idea that what happens on the stage transcends the shows creating moments that ripple through pop culture. there will be a lot of people including myself who will hear and seeing things for the very first time and downloading and streaming. >> i know you will be. i have, apart from you my secret source, have other secret sources there but i would like you to tell us what to expect from the show? >> first off fierce competition. beyonce, pharrell williams with six each and some say sam will sweep the awards and some are saying that tonight is the very first time that beyonce will get the one award she is the most nominated woman in grammy history and tonight is the night

she will finally get the one award that has eluded her of 17 wins and that is "album of year." of course what makes the grammys so much fund are the performances. they produce the show like a variety show with great performantses from madonna, katy perry off of the super bowl performance and of course it is all about the mas everyone is looking forward to is kanye west and rihanna and paul mccartney. welcome to the grammys. >> thanks. great to see you. >> should be quite a night. >> "media buzz," is up next. ♪ all about the bass ♪ ♪ no treble ♪

11:00 a.m.. on buzz >> on "buzz beater," brian williams suspending himself taking a lead from nbc nightly news after being forced to retract this false story about being on an army helicopter that was hit by enemy fire in iraq. >> two of our four helicopters were hit by ground fire including the one i was in. rpg and ak-47. >> the nbc anchor saying he is sorry after veterans knock down the account. >> i want to apologize i said i was traveling in an aircraft that was hit by rpg fire and i was, instead, in a following aircraft. >> what was mounting question with the apology other stories and now the leave of