>> he has been a shadowy presence for a very long time. >> and how he is using a former catholic school student from the boston area to spread propaganda. >> why do you think this mosque keeps ending up attached to terrorism? >> isis controls the area the size of kansas. across iraq and syria. is there a strategy to defeat

them? >> what do you understand the strategy to be? >> i think the -- >> doesn't sound like a strategy to me. >> why they are the richest terrorist organization on earth. isis is hell on earth and the world continues to witness its cruelty and viciousness. lieutenant colonel oliver north and his war story's team made more than 15 trips to iraq where isis continues to gain ground. now where else are they spreading? >> all over the world. we have isis elements in the philippines, work there. we have them with boko haram in west africa and yemen, south africa. you have them literally all over the stands and they now proclaim that they've got people who defected from the taliban in afghanistan. so it's not just what we're seeing constantly in the news and iraq and seer y. it's literally spreading all over the sunni world. it's part of their effort, al

bagdadi proclaimed himself to be the savior sunni islam from the shiites. the shiites predominant in iran. it's a 1,000 year war in which we're caught in the middle and they still kill fellow sunnies like the jordanian pilot. it's the most brutal terror organization we've ever seen on the planet earth. >> and underline all this, it's expanding. this is not in any way getting smaller or even staying as is. this is expanding. >> we heard right after the murder of the jordanian pilot that, quote, maybe they had gone too far. and that this was going to turn people against them. it's probably turned the kingdom against them in jordan. but it's a recruitment tool fort most vicious group of people on earth. al bagdadi not only goes out and kills people and they put it up as propaganda, he also puts out proclamation of he is the answer

to the expansionism of shia islam. so they actually use that stuff, that horrific video, we've seen the rest of it. most thankfully have not -- that was broadcast all overt middle east, all over africa, all over parts of south asia. they've seen that full video, that's a recruitment tool for foreigners to come join their cause. >> we asked you to dig into how isis came about. let's take a look. >> isis clearly at this point is the world's far most terrorist group and more than that, it's a territorial jihaddist state. >> timothy furnish has a ph.d. and served in the u.s. army as an arabic speaking specialist. >> however, unlike al-qaeda, it's still focused on the near enemy. trying create the largest caliphate, particularly in the arab middle east, and now includes syria and iraq. >> isis has effectively erased the border between the two

countries. >> the islamic state bases it on literal readings of the koran. >> they claim they follow the path of islam's founder, mohammed, who established the first islamic state. dr. lewis is professor emeritus at princeton university. he's one of the world's foremost middle east scholars. >> they see the lands of islam as being invaded and occupied by non-muslims. >> the militant jihadis and isis are led by their self proclaimed leader. 43-year-old al bagdadi. their goal? kill or drive out so-called infidels from the lands where islam has reigned for century. >> the last caliphate, which was the ottoman one, was

disestablished at the end of world war one. they think they're recreating that. in some way, they think their caliphate, which is arab, is even more legitimate than the ottoman, which was turkish. isis and the islamic state clearly believes that the only legitimate religious belief is their particular harsh brand of sunni islam. anyone who holds any other belief, even muslim, is deemed a heretic and liable to death or exile. >> isis emerged from the terror group in iraq, or aqi. >> predecessor group to that was a group that al-zarqawi started. >> during operation operation iraqi freedom, czar coo wee became the head of abi, battling against the forces. >> isis has been able to eclipse al-qaeda primarily by the tact that they rule the state. they're not hiding in caves and

on the margins of the islamic world. they have a lot of fellows with jihad, some afghanistan, many against our forces in the iraqi government forces in iraq, as well as many against the government forces of syria. so they have put all of these together and when you add those to the fact that the united states really has not been there in any force for several years. >> the terrorist army of isis is now estimate to do have more than 30,000 fighters from 70 countries. the way they achieve their goals is horrific. >> when isis takes over a sunni territory, it imposes strict sharia law, such amputations for stealing, crucifixions and such, beheadings. isis clearly refers to the two different passages in the koran beheading ofe battlefield.n the >> all indications show that many, if not all isis fighters, have a fanatical belief in

fighting to the death. >> they really have in many ways, general dempsey said this, an apocalyptic viewpoint. isis clear israeli talking about end of time ballots. armageddon type battles. >> so isis is still on this quest to establish a caliphate. but now it's using 21st century technology with the highest level of production to terrorize. let's bring in catherine herridge. now they're using this high production of all these video. >> social media has really become the life blood of the new digital jihad. it's like pouring gasoline on the fire of self-radicalization. and the new video showing the execution of the jordanian pilot really takes it to another level. it's 22 minutes long. it has multi layers of video, audio, and then the final scene at the execution and it has -- i don't know if you would agree,

this almost video game like feel to it. >> done little video game stuff. i think one of the things that these guys have decided to do is to attract not just your average -- somebody who is a camel herder. they're looking to get into their organization as a part of it relatively well-educated, people who are technologically aware. they can do things with a iphone or blackberry or one of those devices and see essentially the history that's being made by this organization. >> stand by. coming up, how isis is using yelp reviews, earthquakes and sometimes naked celebrities to recruit new members to the battlefield clothes make them feel...

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>> the attacks of 9-11 used 19 men is to kill nearly 3,000 people in new york city, the pentagon, and shanksville, pennsylvania. >> we have been traveling around the united states. >> from southern california, it was adam who was the english speaking spokesperson for osama bin laden. >> they're the ones who started this dirty war and they're the ones who will end it. >> he is still missing and has a million dollars reward on his head and as fox news reported, it was this dual citizen of yemen and america who went from being invited as a guest at the pentagon after 9-11 to a digital

recruiter for al-qaeda. he turned operational. fox news reported on the cleric for years. >> with the command of english, arabic and the internet, u.s. citizen al-awlaki was linked to the failed times square bombing, and the christmas day thwarted attack. and the massacre at fort hood which killed 13. >> he was killed in yemen in 2011 by a predator hell fire missile. but he lives on through this man. even after serving time in a yemeni prison for his actions on behalf of al-awlaki and al-qaeda in the arabian peninsula, he recently announced his support for caliphate press to nearly 10,000 followers on twitter. he also tweeted this photo of himself with al-awlaki. isis has taken social media to a whole new level. >> isis uses all platforms, everything from facebook to

twitter, to yelp, restaurants recommendations in syria. because they use all these different platforms, they get a loft access to the younger set. >> richard reynolds is a retired army officer who spent half of his 30 year career in the middle east investigating terrorists and their network of contacts. >> we see perhaps as many as 125 different languages being used by isis and isis accounts. >> people may not have homes or jobs or cars, but everyone's got a phone. >> right. isis has media centers. >> just seems to me that isis almost has a rapid response team. an event happens, they've got their message up. where as the old style al-qaeda can sometimes take weeks to respond. >> isis also hijacks big news events online using a sophisticated media center believed to be based in their stronghold of raqqa, syria. investigators are analyzing the highly produced execution

videos. >> the media center in syria, this is like a digital network. it's almost like a tv station. >> they have the ability to move cameras, lighting, sound, into an austere situation, do the deed without being molested, nobody is dropping bombs on them or observing them overhead. back to their media center and still get it on the web in a matter of minutes. they have the capability to get the equipment, the money to do it. >> does it look to you like they've got a team with professional training? >> yes. >> maybe even former journalists? >> they may be former journalists. there is some suspicion that some people in the music industry is helping them with music and sound. maybe even withns. >> and this immediate i wouldn't guru is believed to be this

33-year-old from the boston area. >> born in france. he speaks multiple languages. he can appeal again across multiple language platform. >> this is what isis is doing online now. >> weigh see them taking hashtags and sending out their material. >> they're looking at what's trending in the u.s. and then they're hijacking that. they did that with those nude celeb pretty pictures. >> exactly. >> how quickly can some kid in st. louis make a decision, like make contact, make decision and go to syria? >> days. hours. we'll see somebody that will read a social media entry. it resonates with them. they go right out, take their mom and dad's credit card, buy an airplane ticket and ply off to turkey or jordan or lebanon. >> joining us is the director,

cyber and homeland security director. why do you think isis negotiated for the jordanian pilot when he had been killed almost a month earlier? >> this is propaganda. at the end of the day, i don't think there was ever a legitimate attempt to negotiate or even try to raise the ransom. this was prop propaganda. it was aimed probably to raise some of the voices to overthrow king abdullah in jordan. looked like it may have blown back and had the opposite effect. similar to czar coo wee bombing at a jordanian wedding where he thought he might have turned some of the islamists against them. it had the opposite effect and i hope this is the same case here. >> i don't get it. with the twitter universe and everything else, why didn't they just wait? >> well, what's interesting about social media is isis can use it to their advantage, but it also works against them. it worked against them in a very subtle way with the jordanian

pilot. we reviewed some twitter traffic that is apparently from the end of december and it describes how the pilot was cited in the stronghold of raqqa, syria, being paraded through the streets in the cage. then there was another piece of twitter traffic towards the end of january, the 23rd, that said the japanese hostages, they're already dead. and the video is on its way to production. so these were call clues that, in fact, the hostages were dead and isis was not negotiating in good faith. >> and they never intended to? >> it was bogus. >> it was bogus from the get-go. >> yeah. >> obviously they wanted this to come out at a very specific time and that's what they did. they released it when they were ready to. i think there is an element -- i think there has been blow back in jordan. certainly from what we've seen the last couple of days. but i'm not sure this blowback around the rest of the world. the universe with 120 different languages, they do subtitles, kyrons, they do -- there are

people in areas who are motivated to go off and try something like that on their own. not that they're going to coordinate it from raqqa. it's that they're inspiring people to commit -- these are the kinds of acts, if you're on the winning side, we can do this kind of thing, and the infidels and the heretics can't do anything to stop us. >> i think you're spot on with that. at the end of the day, they are escalating and at the end of the day, think of spammers. you can send a million messages. all you need are five pieces to click and that's success. >> on capitol hill, we heard the view that whatever happens next, this episode has really raised the stakes for the western hostages. >> coming up, we investigate the cold, calculating and a elusive leader of isis and there are some surprises. that's next

>> little is known about america's most wanted terrorist, al bagdadi. he has a $10 million u.s. bounty on his head. in july, he made a rare public appearance in a mosque in mosul, iraq. wearing what appeared to be an expensive watch, he calmly cleaned his teeth before speaking to a captive audience. the self proclaimed leader of

isis went on a 15-minute rant. >> he has proclaimed himself two different terms. the successor to mohammed, as political leader. >> when it was posted online, it was the first time many of his followers had ever laid eyes on him. >> al bagdadi was also known by another name, and another name that would have meant that part of iraq. he's an islamic scholar. even though some western scholars ridiculed his credential. >> he has been a shadowy presence for a very long time. >> as a u.s. army intelligence officer, kevin carol served three tours in iraq and afghanistan. after that he was a c.i.a. case

officer in the middle east. >> there was questions as to whether or not he really existed. he was sometimes confused with another high value target who led al-qaeda in iraq, who was killed. he may have just been in the battle of fallujah when the marines reduced the al-qaeda ham let of fallujah in 2004 and 2005. he was reportedly in u.s. custody at camp buka in iraq in five to 2009. >> the now closed prison catch located in south southeastern iraq was named after a new york city fire marshal killed on 9-11. >> consistent with the u.s. drawdown forces and turnover of authority to the iraqis, he was improperly let go out of custody in 2009. >> details are sketchy about what happened next. >> we do know that al-qaeda had a great amount of autonomy within those camps in

state, to really now lay claim to being the largest islamic terrorist organization in the world. >> i'm back with the panel. why don't we know more about bagdadi? why can't we get more information about him? we know that we want him and we know we want the information. what's the problem? >> three times now he's been forecast to have been killed. twice he's been forecasted to have been wounded. it turns out none of that -- certainly he's not dead. certainly if he's wounded, he's still getting around. here is the bottom line of the problem. we have zero human intelligence. it does not exist inside this organization.

>> they nod yes in agreement. >> we've got tremendous signaled intelligence, but these people learned how to communicate without getting a cell phone or satellite. >> one of the things that happened when we pulled out of iraq is that we sort of systematically blinded ourselves in that we didn't have our own people on the ground anymore as eyes and ears. we became reliant on the iraqis. and then at the same time, this administration has really gotten out of the interrogation business in a serious way. it's gotten into the business of killing operatives with drones. so you have that intelligence vacuum as well. >> here is the reality, these are hard targets and as colonel north said, we are lacking human intelligence and while we do have other means to collect on these targets, they're evading our various counter measures, in part because of some of the leaks inside of our own government and individuals hiding and in part because there are a loft dead terrorists who are learning from their mistakes. so at the end of the day, it's always going to be a bit of a cat and mouse. we need all source intelligence. but ultimately it's going to take a human source to get

inside the decision making chain of these sorts of organization. >> i was just going to add that based on some preliminary conversations, one of the old hat tricks in iraq under saddam hussein was to have a series of look alikes operating so they never really knew where the target was. and i would not be surprised if we have a similar scenario with bagdadi. >> but there is a $10 million bounty on his head. >> where do you spend the money there? that's my question. you get your $10 million. where is the incentive? >> so what is the incentive? what is the incentive for us to get some human intelligence, get someone to break bad on his side? >> ultimately his predecessor, czar coo wee, is fingered by one of those who wanted to collect the money on him. they went to special forces group and they plotted exactly where he was. he was indeed hit with a hell fire missile. but it was a human intelligence. same thing with our friend al-awlaki. it was a human intelligence source that eventually said that's his vehicle.

>> bin laden as well. >> exactly. ultimately you have, as frank said, we're also being spoofed. spoofing is a false message. in other words, they got czar coo wee, or they they got bagdadi or -- in other words, many times they're putting out things that are not true just to see what we're picking up and see how we'll react to it. >> stay with us. coming up, we're going to take a closer look at the isis media wing which has american roots.

isis >> so who is one of the pr gurus of isis? we sent griff yen convince to find out about a man from boston >> he should be considered to be armed and dangerous. he is a threat to the nation.

>> richard was the special agent in charge during the boston bombing investigation. and he's the guy who put a catholic school boy on the f.b.i.'s most wanted terrorist list. >> t who reside here in the united states, who are radicalized on their oh, often times through access to online jihadi materials. >> so is he the head of the isis propaganda machine? if so, it wouldn't be the first time an american led the pr campaign for a terror group. until he was killed by a drone in yemen, north carolina native ran the slick al-qaeda online magazine inspire. now it appears isis has its own american pr guru, 33-year-old man. with your typical middle class neighborhood, suburbs of boston, not too far from where the patriots play football. >> he had a privileged upbringing as the son of a harvard educateed doctor, says this reporter. >> he went to a catholic school not too far away. then comes here just for his

senior year. we don't know why he left that school. but we know he graduated here. the principal told us that he fit in. he didn't strike her as being out of the ordinary too much. >> he studied computer science for three semesters here at northeastern university. during this time period, authorities believe he became fully radicalized. he in his wanna be jihadi friends would spend their saturday nights watching al-qaeda propaganda videos and plan to become part of the action. >> past 9-11, they started to hate america. >> he traveled on several occasions overseas. his first travel was in april of 2002 when he traveled to pakistan for the purposes of seeking military style terrorist training. >> he and his boston buddies failed in their first attempt, so return to the u.s. to try and kill at home. according to these court records, in 2003, he and his associates plotted an attack on civilians at a shopping mall.

they also coincide to assassinate condoleeza rice and then attorney general john ashcroft. they failed. >> in 2004, he traveled to the fallujah area of iraq. >> there he may have made an important connection. >> he was in fallujah at the same time that we believe that al bagdadi was in fallujah. >> what about connections he may have made back in boston? as first reported, at least eight known terrorists attended this cambridge mosque, a point the mosque denies. >> is there any information you can give us about this guy? >> no information. >> do you ever remember seeing them? >> no. >> no clue. >> why do you think this mosque keeps ending up attached to terrorism? >> this is false accusation. nobody knows. this is a mosque. everybody is welcome. >> after his jihad tour, he returns home to boston and completes his computer science

degree at u-mass. he, along with others, began producing violent propaganda videos videos videos and translating online messages from bin laden's inner circle. >> the f.b.i. initialed an investigation and spoke with him and another man. >> the co-conspirators would employ code words, like peanut but ther and jelly for jihad. >> what are you doing? >> i'm in culinary school and making peanut but ther and jelly. >> shortly after that, he fled overseas to an area we believe to be syria. >> in 2012, he was convicted in a federal court in boston and is now serving 17 years. he refused our request for an interview. >> december 2013, he was elevated to the f.b.i.'s most wanted terrorist list. >> this is the real deal. he knows a lot and they want him and if he's found anywhere on the planet, they're going to grabo1ñi >> griff tried to track down his

father who moved to detroit right after his son fled boston. neighbors told griff they believed the doctor moved to syria. but we did find him employed at a university in qatar. once again, we hear about american links to isis, dual passports seem to be the key. tell me, why do we have this dual passport problem? >> for a long time, foreign fighters have been a challenge. these are westerners fighting overseas in jihadi conflict zones. we've got 150 americans right now fighting alongside isis and other jihaddist organizations in iraq and syria. we had seen it in the past in afghanistan and yes, ma'amen and somalia. but obviously nowhere to the scale and scope we're seeing today. 20,000 people. >> but the difference now is that because of social media and facebook and all of these other vehicles, people can make contact and within a matter of days, based on our reporting, can go from ohio to the front lines in syria.

we spoke with a former member of the u.s. military. he went to the region in four days he got over there and he said once he was there, all of his skills were vetted to figure out which pot he would serve the best in, like technologycal skills. he said the same patterns was being done by the terror group. >> i worry more not so much the ohio to syria. i worry more about syria coming back to ohio. what are we doing about that? >> they ought to be, given the technology we have, a way of identifying somebody who flew to turkey, disappeared for x number of days or weeks and then flew back from turkey. in the aftermath of madrid and paris, we have found out where they were. in other words, that data was there. >> but that's after the fact. it's not where they were. we need to know where are they and where are they going is this. >> my point is if we knew after the fact where they were, why don't we know where they are now? the systems are there.

this is a country that's got the -- we invented the damn internet. why can't we use it to say, this guy has been to turkey, disappeared for two or three weeks, came back through paris. step him aside. then ask him. what were you doing? where were you? that's not being done. the brothers that came back from chechnya who set off the bomb at the marathon had been under surveillance by the russians and told us. how can it be? in other words, somebody is dropping the ball. i'm not saying you, frank. >> facilitating and keeping track of terrorist travel is an area that our community is trying to get its arms around. for years there were a -- pnr, pass your name record. the europeans didn't want to maintain that data for privacy issues. finally they're now recognizing there is some real value in that. but i think greta hit an important point. a lot of these guys, unlike when trying to get to yemen or signal i can't, they have to --

somalia, or they have -- here you literally are going to europe and you're a bus ride away from the turkish borrowedder and slipping across. the reality is the turks, even if we had all that data, i don't have confidence that they kept track of that man. >> the turks told us within 24 hours that the girlfriend of one of the perpetrators in paris was already in syria. so the turks are finding out. they're just not telling us. >> that's an important set of issues 'cause i tend to think if there is anyone who can address this, it is the turks. 'cause that's where they're slipping through. >> i was just going to say, a year ago, you would have never imagined that the british government would propose stripping people of their passports if they had gone to syria. this seems to be their broad response to this problem. i think the discussion is not far off in this country as well. >> everything isis terrorists do takes money. so how do they get it and can we stop their cash

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>> nice to see you. >> where is isis getting its money? >> it's getting some of its money from resources it's controlling territory now, the biggest is oil. he used to think they were getting it million dollars a day. then a million, then under a million. let's say it's half a million dollars a day. i'd take that paycheck. that's lot. they're also getting funds, some threw major donors in the gulf. that's not as big a deal for them. they've always been primarily financed through crime, localized crime in iraq. always meaning isis is today just what used to be the islamic state of iraq, al-qaeda in iraq, the czar coo wee network. all the same thing. even back during 2005, 2006, 2007, theirf the insurgency was and continues to be today through localized crime. kidnapping for ransom, extortion, political corruption, et cetera. whereas we have tools to deal with major donors in the gulf, we have tools even if we decide to implement them to deal with

the oil they're spahning off. we don't have tools to deal with their crime at home because we don't have boots on the ground. >> what was the reason for having such an enormous ransom figure, for instance for james foley. they wanted 130 million american dollars. if they have all this oil money coming in, it never got that kind of money. maybe some countries pay ransom. but they were never going to get 130 million from any country. >> that's why many people think they weren't in it for the money at all. the united states and united kingdom have a no ransom policy anyway. >> the oil that they have selling on the black market, is there any way to shut that down, because if oil is selling for $105 a barrel, but they're selling it for $60, most people in the -- $60 a barrel is going to look pretty good. >> not just that, some of the other smugglers are selling 50, $55. they're selling it as low as $40 a barrel. because turks in particular pay

so much for gas, there is supply and demand, there is a market. you can find someone who can get that oil, you'll be able to find people to smuggle and people who will buy it in turkey. they got to drive the trucks across the border. they have to be able to work with the middle men in syria and turkey. we have ways of targeting them. law enforcement, treasury designations. there is even a military capability if they're going across particular crossings with the trucks. >> you say there are ways to doing it. why aren't we, or are we doing it? if we need to shut them down for the money? >> this was a political decision. the president decided we were going to seriously start tooking isis. secretary of defense hagel says one thing we'll do is target the money and the oil in particular. hopefully that will start. my concern is we keep saying how we're going to do it on only the iraq side of the border and not so much on the syrian side of the border. that's like squeezing a balloon. if we don't squeeze isis in iraq and in syria, we're not going to get very far. >> so how does the world fight this growing threat and who wins? that's next.

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so you can see that it's begun to spread almost like a cancer, but i would argue there isn't a kinetic solution or military solution to this. it's really become a battle of ideas. we have to not be afraid to engage in this battle of ideas. >> that's a slow battle, though, while we're trying to change ideas, people are getting killed. that's a slow one. >> it's going to require kinetic responses, in addition to counter ideological because to paraphrase, bill clinton, it's the ideology, stupid. at the end of the day, we have not addressed that. it's metastasized. you're seeing flags planted all overt world. what can we do? either collect intelligence as we need to do for those that are using social media to travel overseas. we can shut some of this down and try to push it to the margins, at least make it more difficult for people to get their hands on this material. or we can push back and quite honestly, we haven't pushed

back. we've creeded the battlefield. >> where is everybody? >> there is a wonderful opportunity right now to get the jordanians up on the step to commit even further than they did. >> although they've been sending planes over. >> if we've flown 1700 missions or thereabouts and the coalition partners dropped out, flown 170, you know this is commitment problem. nothing shows commitment and sincerity quite so well as a carrier battle group and a marine air ground task force. we don't have any in the mediterranean right now. we need to put them there. >> you're saying we're not showing the commitment to other nations to make them want to join the coalition. >> bingo. second, you have to destroy the will to fight author those who fight for isis. it's different if you're drafting a kid. he's never going to fight as well as the committed jihaddist who saw that video and who came to syria because they wanted to join them. that will to fight has got to be destroyed. the only way is through what frank said, by kinetic means.

finally the intelligence. we've got to make in roads to the sunni tribes, both in iraq and syria. they're there. they're on our side. we need to show them that we're committed and stay the course and for heaven's sake, don't do some deal with the iranians that tells everybody in the sunni side of the world we're on their side. >> i was going to say, isn't this the big picture question here? the cancer is in syria. but it seems to me every policy decision right now in the white house is driven by their desire to get a deal with iran and this affects how they're responding to the problem in syria because they don't want to upset that apple cart because syria is allied with tehran. >> and the intelligence community morale is what at this point? there is a big zero? >> you first. >> it's terrible. >> i think for people who have been on this issue and i hesitate to really speak on their behalf, but they're dedicated to the issue, but they

are frustrated that when the information has been presented in a very clear way, there has been a denial of the facts on the ground and that means you can not tackle the problem. >> and at the end of the day, we're really talking about unand undergoverned spaces and we're not contesting those space. it is going to require all instruments of statecraft. obviously the jordanians will be a huge component of that and next to israel, our closest ally in the region. >> to frank's point, we ought to be advertising ourselves as the greatest nation on earth. tell people you're freer here than anywhere else in the world. we don't do that anymore. voice of america. all of those things we used effectively in east europe against the soviets, they're still there. we just don't use them. >> thank you. >> and thank you for joining us tonight. if you want to know more about isis, keep watching fox news channel and go to gretawire.com.

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11:00 a.m.. on buzz beater this sunday, brian williams essentially suspending himself, taking a leave from nbc nightly news after being forced to retract this false story about being on an army helicopter that was hit by enemy fire in iraq. >> two of our four helicopters were hit by ground fire including the one i was in will. >> no kidding? >> rpg and ak-47. >> saying he's sorry after furs h.will. >> no kidding? >> rpg and ak-47. >> saying he's sorry after furs h. army veterans knocked down his account. >> i want to apologize. i said i was traveling in an aircraft that was hit by rpg fire. i was instead in a following aircraft. >> with mounting questions about that apology, other williams