jon: we'll be back with more in one hour. jenna: "outnumbered" starts now. ♪ ♪ >> this is "outnumbered," i'm andrea tantaros, and here with us today, harris faulkner, katie pavlich, from our sister network, dagen mcdowell of "imus in the morning", and today's #oneluckyguy a stand-up comedian who's been a writer for multiple shows including jay leno and a regular on "red eye" -- >> you had to mention that. >> you take so much abuse on this show. being on with you and greg it gets uncomfortable, because they're so mean to you. >> i know exactly. he's fixated on my lips. >> you know what? a lot of people are because women pay top dollar -- [laughter] >> there you go. >> well i did have work done. no, when i was 8, my lips are

the same size they are now. >> wow. >> that was a conversation piece. >> fascinating. >> it was ridiculous. >> we're going to be a lot nicer to you here on "outnumbered." don't worry about that. >> thank you. >> new questions about president obama's strategy to beat isis as islamic militants attack an iraqi base housing more than 300 u.s. marines after reportedly taking down a town just minutes away. while those fighters were pushed back all this raising serious concerns as congress debates the president's request to authorize military force against the terror group which has taken other large parts of iraq and syria. a new poll shows a majority of americans support the president's request, and retired four-star general and military analyst jack keane says the attack on the base is a reminder of why we need boots on the ground over there including american boots. >> this exposes and is a reminder to us about how tough it's going to be to retake the

territory that has been lost. in the military terms, that's a counteroffensive. to retake mosul, tikrit and also fallujah which is in anbar province not too far from where this attack took place. that is going to be very challenging, because the local forces that are going to do that are not that strong, and we are providing the minimal amount of support to them. and that's what the problem is. that strategy is not bright. >> okay. so a big debate on capitol hill now about what to do, harris. the president wants power from congress -- >> yeah. >> we talked about this yesterday. but a big debate over boots on the ground. and as you know and you covered iraq for a long time it's a country that we made gains in, but those gains seem to being, especially with the fall of this town. >> you know, i think there are a couple of things that are worth noting. we are just now getting some ideas of how hard they had to fight in northern iraq to protect that city monument that's 800 years old that shrine. they only had 18 peshmerga up

there to fight off isis for weeks. finally, they were able to hold them off. finally air drops coming in with food supplies and 200 men to fight off isis. that shrine is one of only a few buildings in northern iraq where the ethnic minority, yazidis that's still standing what we learned from that is no one is going to fight harder for iraq and syria than the people that are already on the ground. so then the question begins, well, what do they need, and why wouldn't we give it to them? if what they need is special ops, if what they need is medicine or weapons or boots on the ground, why would we not help that effort? so that's a big question today for the administration. the second thing i'd ask about is something that we learned from a senior official telling fox news that our air base where there are hundreds of machines stationed -- marines stationed for some time it's been taking low scale air fire which means indirect air fire. in some places in the military

you might call that practice. so there are some things -- >> yeah, what's concerning to me is why is this even a debate? why aren't we just getting boots on the ground? i mean what -- the isis have been doing things to people that people in the spanish inquisition would go whoa, you just crossed the line. what more do they have to do to get us to hate them? i mean, if you think about the fact that okay, in this recent story that we just talked about they were 13 minutes away from our base. >> yeah. >> that's a wartime lunch to applebee's away, and we're not doing anything about it? >> well, the president, as we know, doesn't seem to have the appetite to have more wars in the middle east, dagen. they've been drawing down troops not just in iraq but afghanistan. he made this a campaign goal. but also i want to flash back to when joe biden said iraq was going to be one of the greatest achievements of this administration, and we have this disheartening news today, that all the work that we put into

iraq -- whether you agree with the war or not because a lot of people probably don't, some do -- we lost a lot of those gains that our men and women fought for. >> absolutely. and by the way the president is trying to build a consensus and bring democrats and republicans together. that's why the language in this authorization proposal is so wishy washy. three years, josh earnest admits it's likely going to take longer than three years. no boots on the ground but opens the door for potentially boots on the ground. you've got the president saying we're on the offense, they're on the defense which is patently not true. our airstrikes are not defeating them. that's where we are. >> katie, i want to go to you on this because it seems like the more we debate time's wasting. >> right. >> and if the president really wanted the defeat isis, the time was a long time ago, but he was too busy saying they were jv. >> i don't think that actually i disagree with you that the president is trying to build a consensus. i think he's now going to congress to try to get them

fighting with even other so the pressure on him to do something is actually off. i mean the president is hell bent on continuing to say what we're not going to do. and you listen to all the military leaders and generals and they say the only way we're going to accomplish anything is to put troops on the ground and the president said this week that is not what i'm -- >> i agree with you on that. we're not being clear with our military -- >> well, in the end the reason why he's not being clear is because the president refuses because he's a narcissist is to admit that iraq is not a success. they're not going to go in there and fight isis because that would be a reflection of their failure to bring iraq to the point they promised when president obama was campaigning. >> i would prefer this administration either say we're not going to do anything, no boots on the ground, next subject -- >> right. >> -- or he would say, okay, this is what we're going to do, here's the strategy. either do all of it or do none of it. >> we're dying by, we're dying by a million small cuts here. this isn't like world war ii

where you had a very clear enemy, and that's the focus. this is going to keep popping up. as we speak, there's another new isis brewing somewhere. and we have to go through this every time, we have to act faster more effectively, we have to be clear with our military -- >> not even just another new isis. look at what we saw in afghanistan, the taliban, some of them jumping over to the isis side because they can attract more resources. >> you have the white house now saying that the taliban isn't a terror itself group, and i think that -- terrorist group and i think that says a lot about what the problem is. >> another hot spot in the world, yemen, descending into chaos. that's actually not really news because it's been happening for a while. we've been reporting it. yet today we learned when shiite rebels overthrew yemen's government last month, it caught u.s. intelligence off guard. that bit of news dropped by the white house's top counterterrorism official. nick rasmussen has told the senate intel committee now that

the yemeni army failed to put up enough of a fight against a advancing rebels, and the situation went bad faster than we expected. that led to the u.s. evacuating and closing our third embassy since the arab spring began in 2010. the other two in libya and syria, as you may know. and now here's the state department spokeswoman, jen psaki, getting grilled by megyn kelly. >> i think we have to look at each of those countries individually. you're right, as it relates to libya, the president and others have spoken about what more we could and should have done as have other countries. syria's in the middle of a civil war. megyn: but there's a question about whether we blew it in each of those instances and in the case of yemen -- >> well, what i'm getting at, megyn, is that there are hardly these are hardly exactly the same circumstances, and we're dealing with each of these countries separately. >> all right. so you heard jen psaki mention libya and what could have been done. this is what she was talking

about, obviously, benghazi back in 2012 the terror attack that killed four americans. all of this raising new questions about how we could be caught off guard again. katie, it's a fair question although i have to say when people first heard the story this week i did hear some pushback. we have an embassy in yemen? [laughter] i think because there was that near closing back in may of last year that it might be assumed weren't we going to close that? >> one of the things that stands out the is the point you just made about the number of embassies that we have had to close or flee or suspend operations in since the arab spring. because the arab spring was supposed to be this amazing, you know breaching of democracy across the middle east. it was supposed to be this pro-western movement, the administration was behind it democrats were behind it, i think a lot of republicans were also behind it. and it's turned out to be an utter failure for the best interests of the united states despite us supporting that. and in terms of yemen look, i

always go back to what the president said in september which shows why we're failing to fight isis at the level that we need to now is he said we need to use the success that we've had in yemen to fight isis in iraq and syria. and we've seen how that turned out now. i don't understand where the president is coming on this, his foreign policy since the beginning has been muddled and a failure, and we're seeing disastrous consequences -- >> do they not have any idea any grasp p of what is going on in the world? be are they being intentionally weak? we're on the run. you talk about these embassy closings, that's what it looks like. they look like they cannot get their heads or hands around what is -- >> well, then would you rather have the embassy open and the inability to protect it like we saw in benghazi? >> the fact that we have to -- that's a great question, and the fact you have to ask that and we're the united states of america is the issue. >> yeah. >> right? in other words, this is yemen, okay? how do we not see this coming? this ties into what we were just talking about with isis.

it's systemic through our intelligence community right? this is yemen. i've seen jenga towers that were more stable than this government, and yet we didn't know it was coming. >> or read about it in the paper. >> maybe the cia could have done an espionage tactic of just looking around. >> i think this is a fair question of the white house who's briefing the president on all of this? you have isis formerly known as the jv team and the president citing yemen as the -- >> and al-qaeda's on the run. >> is he reading his intelligence briefings? we found out he wasn't reading all of the briefings. i think he's getting the information, the question is is he ingesting it -- >> he's getting ready for march madness practice. >> the embassy closing in yemen is it, is it bad for me to come out and say that i don't, i don't know if we have any more interest in the middle east, and i'm not so upset -- >> i'm sure you'll hear from some people on this. the shiite rebels who have taken over much of yemen have stolen

some of our vehicles from the embassy compound. and now they're saying through what they call their foreign relations officer reportedly today that they would like to give those vehicles back and that they don't understand why the u.s. embassy closed, because they weren't really in danger. we're going to watch it, report the news as it happens. all right republicans have accused hillary clinton of wanting to campaign for obama's third term. now vice president biden is suggesting she should. what he told a crowd in iowa, and whether he has a point. and one of the most powerful women in hollywood is descending the gender pay gap expose -- defending the gender pay gap saying it's up to women to ask for what they want and walk away if they're not getting it. >> yeah. >> okay! is she right or out of touch? ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ >> welcome back to "outnumbered." republicans have accused hillary clinton of potentially campaigning for what would amount to a third term for president obama. and apparently, vice president joe biden thinks whoever runs in 2016 should do just that. listen to what he said in iowa.

>> yes run on what we've done. own what we have done. stand for what we have done. acknowledge what we have done and be judged on what we have done. some say that would amount to a third term of the president. i call it sticking with what works. >> and right before that he said this: >> it wasn't that long ago that even members of my own party were saying our economic path hadn't worked, and they were looking to distance themselves between what the president and i had done and the policies he'd put in place. i think that would be a terrible mistake. >> and some of those democrats he's talking about wound up losing in the midterms including five former senators and, andrea, look at, you know, look at the senators. so we have mary landrieu, mark begich from alaska, a couple different ones around the country who tried to distance but also sometimes take president obama's, you know record and use it to their advantage. >> yeah. >> but i think joe's just being

joe in this aspect because, you know, we saw a huge election victory for republicans in 2014 who, what did they do? they ran against president obama's record which i think republican candidates for president are also going to do in november. >> no question. but the question is, what are the democratic candidates -- >> yeah! >> that's the real question. and it's a tough spot for, say, hillary clinton, right? because if she run against president obama's record and his administration that she was part of, then she risks alienating the base. if she runs with it, that's really, really tough in a general. however, if there is a couple -- and i do say a couple because bill's right behind her, we know that -- that can triangulate better than anybody it's the clintons. >> that's true. >> so i see her running to appease the base and then shifting in a general. >> joe biden and the administration as a whole trying to tout the economic policies of the obama administration. but as we've seen and as we've discussed prior on the show the american people don't actually you know feel the economy

improving as this administration and joe biden are trying to tout. >> one of the things yesterday i had pointed out, that the level of debt that many americans are carrying right now is just simply not reflective of how good the economy is, consumer debt which is the most risky kind because it's not like your house. >> brag about these job numbers as long as they want -- [inaudible conversations] >> i've got some credit card debt. >> part-time jobs that are making up what used to be really good full-time jobs and you're having to work two and three jobs at a time, that's where that comes from. you've got to, you know, patch it with something. >> retail sales are falling. >> okay, but the -- >> falling even with the savings from gas prices. >> but can we -- go ahead. >> real quickly. when biden was talking i thought of two things, you know maybe we're not giving him enough credit, because hillary clinton has got to be saying thanks a lot, joe right? because if he's ever thinking of running, go big or go home, he's saying. >> hillary clinton's going to have to distance herself from

obama or -- >> i think to some extent, but i think any candidate should be running on their own merits. i don't want a presidential candidate that's going hey, you know, i think i'm going to run for president but without those pesky original ideas and focus. like -- >> hillary clinton run on benghazi. >> i don't want obama's presence or past, you know, haunting the white house. that's what his policies are for, okay? >> wow. >> i think at the end of the day these people need to sort of be their own person right? and if you're going to run on someone else's record, you know, that's a double-edged sword because you can't have it both ways. you can't cherry pick oh, this policy works, so let's focus on that, but let's not talk about immigration and health care. i think it's a slippery slope in a big way. >> can i ask a quick question? does hillary clinton hope that the economy gets craptastic leading up to the election? [laughter] then she can really step back and go i didn't have -- >> i would argue that it's actually there. >> i just don't know what -- what obama record do you run on?

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♪ ♪ >> you're watching "outnumbered" on this fine friday. the parents of american journalist james foley are speaking out today about their son's brutal murder at the hands of isis terrorists back in august and the recent death of american aid worker kayla

mueller while isis held her hostage. the foal wilies on america ease -- foley ares on america ease newsroom morning suggested the obama administration had failed them. >> we didn't feel jim was a priority even though we were told that from the very beginning, that he was. and just to trust that everything was being done. but we don't have much evidence of that mainly because of very poor communication. >> the trip along the way is as important as the end result and we don't feel that we were part of the answer. we felt often part of the problem. >> okay. dagen, i'm going to start with you on this. you feel for the parents, you want them to get as much information as they can. your take on this interview. >> heartbreaking, and the american -- i think everyone feels for them. but when they talk about poor communication and how they were dealt with it goes back to the president being on a golf course after he comes out on martha's

vineyard and talks about and condemns the killing of james foley. time and again poor communication, poor communication. think about those hurt first and then think about yourself and your administration second. >> uh-huh. >> ann drink what? -- andrea? >> the immeasurable grief these families must feel. they're allowed to think or feel frankly, whatever they want and say whatever they want on one. but isis, and we discussed this in the opening of the show harris is the spawn of an infantile and incoherent middle east strategy by president obama. he said the arab spring was going to change all this. it didn't. he had the chance to address isis, he did not. and what's made it worse harris he's exacerbated this problem is the bergdahl swap. so he's really good at making problems and creating problems but not addressing them and fixing them. >> you know what's interesting about what andrea just said? the president in recent days had

said he wasn't going to make money part of this in terms of ransom because in kayla's case they had reportedly asked for $7 million, and, of course that never happened. you can't trust these guys because we know they had killed a prisoner sometime ago. what's interesting is the president's argument for not paying a ransom is you don't want this to ratchet up the targeting of americans. it's already happened. >> it's already happened. it's -- whether you pay it or not, we have a bull's eye on our back. and going back to the point about communication it's all tied in, for me bureaucracy. you're trying to free hostages and there's been bureaucracy in this. it took a couple of cases two years for us to go in and move -- who do you have to be for our government to take

action tom brady? a great football player that everybody loves? this is the thing that's concerning to me. you don't want the same kind of red tape that you have at the dmv when it comes to freeing hostage. they're not communicating to the public, to the families. it sets a bad precedent. >> katie, the pushback real quick on that will be, well, you wait until the intelligence is available. so what we learned from this case, and you're probably going to make this point as well but just to put it out there, from everything i'm reading, they had some good swell in may -- intel in may with regard to -- >> what's the wait? >> catherine herridge has done an incredible job of reporting the details about how much intelligence we had about where these hostages were. and it goes to the broader point of the president of the united states not making decisions and not wanting to make decisions because he doesn't want to be held responsible for anything, and people have been killed as a result of this indecision. it's been fatal, and yet he

won't -- >> i think it's within the administration too. he's not -- >> he's in charge. >> i'm not defending him, but he has an intelligence community that's weak, he has a bureaucracy that he has to deal with, that every president has to deal with. so i think the reality is we go back to yemen and isis which we were talking about a few minutes ago, it all ties into an inability to -- [inaudible conversations] >> made the cia the enemy. >> i've heard some criticism saying well america shouldn't be in these places. if we don't shine a light how in the world is everybody in the world going to know what's going on? these are very brave people these aid workers. that's not the answer either. >> switching gears domestically in a new fox news poll, we asked voters to grade 2016 potential presidential contenders. the results a bit surprising no candidate included in the survey received an a average, not even among their party faithful. on the republican side,

wisconsin governor scott walker is at the head of the class with a b rating beating out ben carson and marco rubio who both got a b-. the rest of the republicans getting c- grades including florida's governor jeb bush, who leads many national primary polls right now. and for the democrats, hillary clinton tops the list with a b+ followed by vice president joe biden and massachusetts senator elizabeth warren with b - . wow. >> whoever did the grading was doing the grading when i was in college. >> i know. [laughter] well, i think this says a couple things. none of the republicans got as including some people who support them which shows there is no perfect candidate for anyone and that everyone has kind of a scrutinizing of political parties and congress in washington, d.c. and republicans running for president as a whole. but i think that, andrea, scott walker's up there right now, but he might get bumped down a couple notches once his star from iowa fades and we get a little more into the debate --

>> just like me in college katie, i started off the semester really strong and had nowhere else to go but down especially in mathematics class. >> oh! >> what worries me is we saw three pictures on the democratic side, but a lot of pictures on the right. so i do worry that those grades have nowhere else to go but down. although some fresh faces, i will say scott walker and marco rubio, i like those two men a lot. and i just, i just hope that they do not stick their foot in their mouth. that is my one prayer. republicans have such an opportunity -- >> think they're going to let you down. >> a big fat c though -- hug it on jerry jones -- jumping up and down in in the sweater. i think people know too much about him. they know what he's like and they've seen him too much. he's like hey, kind of an unknown sexy guy. >> he has a hugging problem,

harris, he loves to hug men. >> i think this it's that red christmas sweater he kept wearing to the games. scott walker, the recent "times" piece on him they call him nice guy. there's a lot of ground to cover yet. we're just getting to know him and that's actually a really negative thing. >> that's exactly -- [inaudible conversations] >> that's why he rates so high right now. >> polls have shown you don't like her. >> obama's defense secretary has had a longer shelf life, right? you want to sort of stay in the shadows, that's the guy. joe biden got a b, he's excited. he put it up on his mom's fridge. >> who's doing the grading? >> don't you want somebody to have an a? this is the -- no tv tonight guys, for none of you. no tv and no dessert. don't you want one of your presidential candidate to have an a this early on? >> they just aren't given an a average. >> bs and cs.

>> look at what's, like, been in the news all week long, isis. joe biden's the only one that's come out i'm going to fight them to gates of hell. question joke about that, but -- we joke about that but at least we know where he is. >> so many times i want to file a missing persons report for the vice president. >> harsh grading system. i looked at an angry teacher going through a gorse who would grade -- divorce who would grade you. >> [inaudible conversations] >> speaking of americans grading things, millions of americans are dealing with bone-chilling temperatures and freezing wind chills right now and it's just the beginning. plus when actress charlize theron wasn't getting paid as much as her costar she demanded a different deal. and now the woman who lost her job over that sony hacking scandal defending the jnd or or pay -- gender pay gap. ♪ ♪

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♪ >> a big hollywood executive defending her former studio's practice of paying female stars le counterparts. amy pascal one of the casualties of the sevenny hack which exposed -- the sony hack which exposed the gender pay act suggesting it's up to the women to demand equal pay. listen to this. >> i run a business. people want to work for less money, i'll pay them less money. i don't call them up and go can i give you some more? because that's not what you do when you run a business. the truth is what women have to do is not work for less money. they have to walk away. people should know what they're worth and say no. and they will. [applause] >> that's great. >> she's grating. >> one actress who -- [laughter] >> weighing in on amy pascal's performance, she gets an f. >> she ran a company? >> one actress who did take a

stand, by the way was charlize theron after learning her costar was making more than she was for the upcoming film "the huntsman," she renegotiated her deal and landed one more than $10 million, the same as the dude. >> there you go. >> is it the executive's responsibility to help? >> no. i think she made a great point. i remember growing up, i remember the waitresses at the restaurant used to complain when they wanted raises, and my father would always say well, did you ask? my dad wasn't going to run around handing out raises -- >> i'm sorry -- >> hold on a minute. i deserve a raise, and here's why i deserve it. and you know what? they often got it if they could make the case. however, i will say this: republicans do get it wrong on equal pay. there is a pay gap in this country. but hollywood is the worst offender of misogyny. it is a bad place to be for women. i applause charlize theron on

this one but, yeah, there is a pay gap -- >> i'm i've got my finger in the air. if i was a female running a movie studio and i'm paying jennifer lawrence less of the profits on "american hustle" than jeremy renner, i would be ashamed to go to work in the morning -- >> reach-in. >> >> knowing these women are making -- >> right. >> you know what? but she's a lady-bro. her job is to have the bottom line. her job is not feeling, her job is not feminism, it's to elevate -- [inaudible] her job is to make money. >> why don't we help each other? you want to talk so i'm going to be quiet. >> no no, first of all, i want to apologize that fox is paying me twice what they're paying you. >> ah! >> i'm not giving her a pass on this. if we're only supposed to treat women differently than men, i'm only listening to 70% of her

opinion. i don't believe women haven't asked her i believe she's a hypocrite. she's suppressed the request. of it's like burning the dinner and blaming the stove. i am not giving that woman a pass. she's a hypocrite, and i don't believe there's not been one woman in hollywood through their agent or their manager that went to that office and said give me equal pay. >> yep. >> that was a flat out ducking of the issue by her. and i think if you're a woman, and i have been at times can be. -- [laughter] >> you dress like one? >> exactly. [laughter] you should be upset. and if you don't think i'm right, ask bruce generaller. thank you -- jenner. thank you, camera guys. >> i wrote an entire chapter in my latest book about hollywood being hypocritical and claiming that they're liberal, leftist progressives who want women to be paid equally. it's just like president obama paying women less in his white house than he pays men when he's out on the campaign trail

talking about how there's a pay gap. women don't know how much their coworkers are getting paid, so they can't -- >> they have a sense. [inaudible conversations] >> she does have a point about asking. things are not handed to you in life. [inaudible conversations] >> another bastion of liberalism and pay gap the technology industry. and you had to -- >> for sure. >> -- the ceo of microsoft vast majority of executive and high-paying jobs go to men. the ceo of microsoft remember, said women shouldn't ask for raises -- >> right. but i don't think it has anything, it has nothing to do with partisan politics. >> i want to add this one point, and it's about knowing what you're worth and your value. you do have to press in and find out what everybody else is making. it's not a crime to know, it's assessing your value in the market because how can you advocate for yourself if you don't really -- >> but it has been turned into a partisan issue and republicans, i've got to say, are on the

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tomorrow. just a little friendly reminder from your friends at "outnumbered." we've all heard the saying "first comes love, then comes marriage," but sometimes there's a step in between: living together aka, shacking up. but a new study reveals men who lived with their wives before marriage rated themselves as less dedicated -- hmm -- than guys who had a firm commitment to get married before sharing the same roof. other surveys found that the same was true for women though to a slightly lesser degree. and researchers say it's because the people who were already living with someone found it harder to break up and just ended up marrying them. [laughter] even if they wouldn't have otherwise. what a romantic, happy story this valentine's day. unsettling, harris. they're just too lazy to move out. [laughter] >> it's all about the cow. why would you pay for the milk when you can get the cow for free? >> absolutely. >> that's what it's about. >> so they're sitting here drinking 2%, drinking whole

milk -- >> why would you do. >> i've heard that from my father. >> my mama shirley taught me. >> my wife is here, so we lived together so, apparently, we're getting divorced. >> no -- >> the reality is, you know, you live together, you know, so you can kind of sort of stockpile, you see how nuts she is, and you can stockpile a bunch of ammo that you use later in the marriage. >> interesting. yo save up -- >> and it's easier -- exactly. by the way -- >> it's like survivor in your household. >> yeah, exactly. and it's a lot harder to break up when you're living together. >> it's harder to break up if you're married though. that's what's -- i mean -- [inaudible conversations] >> i want to be judge judy about this and say if you're going to live together, you should get married because when you do bust up, it's easy to split the assets. >> right. >> because it's a contract. and when you go to -- rather or than like rather than fighting over phone bills, it's much -- frankly, from a financial perspective, easier to break up if you've --

>> does dagen have a point there? >> yes. >> i mean because it is, katie, it is very gray. if you're living together there isn't that written document or a prenup or anything to divide the assets. it usually turns into that movie the break-up with jennifer aniston. would you live with a man before -- >> no. >> i wouldn't either. >> i would have to be married, and i wouldn't live with him until we were married. >> i agree with you sister. [inaudible conversations] >> i e think there's not a commitment there. the guy or the girl has one foot out the door, and they're getting all the perks of the marriage -- >> do you know what she said to me? do you want me at the wedding? do you want me at the wedding? yeah mom, of course. then don't shack up. [laughter] >> preach mama shirley. >> i couldn't argue with that. >> i think when you live together, i think it makes sense. you save money and then you can use that money as you're living together -- >> carol is putting her coat on -- >> she's leaving. >> carol, i've been a dream to live with, haven't i?

okay, don't answer that. >> girl's got her scarf on now. >> i've lived with both of my husbands, the first one and the current one, before i got married. >> but do you see the point of the study though? i mean you start to see these things about the other person, there's no mystery, and maybe it's for the wrong reasons too. you said economical reasons or just plain laziness that you don't want to move out because it takes a lot of work, katie breaking up. >> i'm telling you all my friends who lived with their boyfriends before getting married are either divorced or never got married because they're getting all the perks of marriage without having to make a commitment -- >> driving that car. >> if you're living in a represent-controlled apartment -- >> oh, and by the way, if you get divorced, you do get to keep the ring if you've been married because it belongs to you -- >> i would never let you keep the ring. >> this has been a very romantic segment. [laughter] everyone want to get in a relationship now? >> happy valentine's day! >> carol, i'm keeping the ring.

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>> what would you like to say. i will have a bottle of wild turkey and straw if i had to listen to president obama. >> it should be like the golden globes where they serve booze. >> there is a t- shirt. >> good for her. and you think she just did this? >> i would confess i drank wine in the speech not just before hand. >> would you bring a roady in the chamber. >> and carrying it in up the steps of the capitol? >> you have to drink during that. i get drunk watching the highlights. >> biden probably was. >> i have knowhow that happens.

>> i have sewn you drink. >> there is a report and make it look much more interesting. >> and that is a mug faulkner. >> and thank you so much for joining us. and you are on tour and you have a new cd coming out. >> it is called it is not me but the world. me getting in confrontations with people and making an idiot of myself. >> it is not me it is the world. how dow bring my cd back to obama? that is awesome. and i will be in canada and first week of march san francisco. and maybe you want to come up to canada with me in february. >> bring my fur coat. >> you bring the cooler and dancing. >> we got to go. >> all the wild turkey and a straw. >> that is like my birthday.

>> we are back on tv at monday. we are tossing to "happening now". that starts right now. >> we start off with a fox news alert. legislation approving the keystone oil pipeline passing both houses of congress and speaker john boehner signs the bill. >> and sends it to the white house and president obama said he will not sign it and promises a veto. after declaring the end of combat operations last year. >> our war in afghanistan is coming to an end. >> our troopsor the offensive in afghanistan and conducting dangerous night raids against al-qaeda and taliban terrorist. plus an eye-opening new study about a nutrient that many folks are