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your network or satellite provider. on buzz beater from new york, a series of bombshells in our business from real news to fake news. jon stewart stepping down from the nightly grind at the daily show oig. >> but this show doesn't deserve an even slightly restless host and neither do you. it's been an absolute privilege. >> brian williams suspended by nbc for six months for telling a false war story. his name taken off the newscast. >> from nbc news world headquarters in morning, this is nbc nightly news. reporting tonight lester holt. >> and the sudden death of bob simon, the courageous and globe
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trotting cbs correspondent. >> we have some sad news tonight from within our cbs news family. our "60 minutes" colleague bob simon was killed this evening. >> but it's johnn stewart who may have had the actual biggest impact on the news business. after 16 years of securing pundits well, like me. >> one this particular. if we've lost jon stewart you're in deep trouble. >> you lost johnn stewart, you're in trouble. >> even jon stewart taking shots ap-obamacare. what impact does that have on the whole public dialogue. >> what impact does me have on the public dialogue? >> we'll look at all these stories with guests including piers morgan and former abc news president david westin. president obama taking flack saying the media are exaggerating the threat of
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terrorism. >> what is the famous saying about local newscasts, right? if it bleeds it leads. right? >> the president have a pint or is he shifting the blame as he seeks new war you powers from congress? plus, why did msnbc ask eric holder to quack like a duck? i'm howard kurtz, and this is "#mediabuzz". television world was stunned when jon stewart suddenly announced that later this year he'll be stepping down from his comedy central franchise. >> 17 years is the longest i have ever in my life held a job by 16 years and five months. thank you. upshot there being i am a terrible employee. but it in my heart, i know it is time for someone else to have
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that opportunity. >> the openingly liberal comedian rarely criticizes president obama, but when he does it stings. >> how could obama not be there? look how many world leaders he kind of bowed down to and apologized. >> when john mccain told me stewart is unfair to republicans, i got the treatment. >> from immigration to world nations to conflagrations this past sunday our nation's leading journalistic lights sought answers to the day's most pressing questions. >> you've been the on "the daily show". is jon stewart fair to republicans? >> all this in contrast to stewart's friend and frequent guest brian williams out on suspension as head of nbc universal calls his conduct unexcusable and the sadness of
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bob simon death. joining us, marissa guthrie, joe klein. jon stewart is a comedian who became cutting edge social and media critic. how in the name of mess so he poe tame i can't did he do that? >> i think he can along at the right time.so he poe tame i can't did he do that? >> i think he can along at the right time. he could end cable -- cable news had ramped up and was 24 hour talking head fest. so there were always going to be times when these people put their foots this their mouths so he had these huge targets which to expose hypocrisy which endured him to his young audience who was already suspicious of media. >> stewart is up front about leaning left, shall we say, and fox news and bill o'reilly. but it's all cloaked in comedy. >> this is one of my big problems with him. he is constantly lecturing us about the tone of our politics.
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but he was a big time political commentator himself and what he added to the conversation -- >> no, no he says i'm just a comedian. >> this is the game he would play. he would want to be taken seriously at the some level and then if you caught him in something being wrong about something, being silent about something, i'm just a comedian. but what he added to was largely sarcasm, insults and dishonest editing. mockery has been part of politics since time in memorial, so that's his right, but don't lecture us about the tone of our politics needing to be elevated. >> what do you think? >> yeah i think that the way you judge comedy is not by whether it's honest or dishonest, it's whether it's funny. and the guy is a genius. just absolutely brilliant. and he is very very smart. i was part of a panel with him up in new hampshire that was not on television that involved the president of msnbc, in was about ten years ago, and bill crystal and several otherswas about
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ten years ago, and bill crystal and several others and stewart took us all apart and he was dead serious. is this a very smart guy, this is a really loss just in terms of fun. >> i agree he's not only smart, but very cutting, i don't just mean cutting in the sarcastic accepts, but in his analysis of what is wrong with the media and politicians. let me play this clip occurring on cnn. >> here's what i wanted to tell you guys. stop. stop, stop, stop huring america. >> so he basically single handedly got cross fired canceled. and i would argue whether you agree or not that he had a real impact on the business because news anchors and shows began copying the technique of using videotape selectively that came comedian would to call out
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inconsistency inconsistencies. >> i think he had a real impact on the political class, too. because he could use the same videotape to expose them and they all still came on his show because his view was they were just politicians are inherently narcicisstic narcicisstic, so they come on. but i think the media watched him and there was like a weird pride they took in being skewers by jon stewart. >> did i look that way? you hope that he goes after you the same thing with stephen colbert and then you're so outraged and upset and you have this feud going. megyn kelly said she thought he was kind of mean sometimes in the service of comedy. >> comedians mean. i don't disagree with points being made here on how smart he was, but if you're a conservative and you went on one of the reporter interview segment, they would talk to you for an hour and then chop it up to make you look like accrued idiot. just a little thing.
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redskins fans agreed to go on to talk about defending the name and we asked are we going to be confronted by nature difference americans. no, you're not. sure enough, they were ambushed.difference americans. no, you're not. sure enough, they were ambushed. jerry springerlike ethics. he lectures us about the tone of our politics, but when you catch him in this stuff, he says i'm just a comedian. >> that was a big mistake. they it apologize and didn't use some of the footage. and yet we have some situation where every poll shows particularly young people that stewart is a trusted figure that he cuts through the bs in a way that many people who practice what we think of as real journalism are not. >> well, that's a problem we have. especially for younger people who have all of these different sources of information and if it isn't enjoyable, they're not going to watch it. you had the president saying if it bleeds it leads. for younger people if it's not
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entertaining, no get about it. >> so all this happening in a week when i mentioned at the top you have major anchor getting suspended, the passing of bob simon, the death of david carr which i'll talk about in a couple moments. how does all this sort out? >> well, i think that this is a time when as joe says what was so also powerful about jon's show is that these the bits could go viral and it was tailored to how young people consume content. they're not watching the 6:30 broadcast. and so i think that -- >> wait a second. about 20 million people watched the three network newscasts. we all say dib sournosaurs are going away and it's an older audience, but that's why what happened at nbc was a big story. >> you. >> but i think young people the demographic for the evening news is aging out.but i think young people, the demographic for the evening news is aging out. >> polite way of saying dying. all you have to do is look at
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the ads. they're all for senility drugs. >> and everything will be streamed. >> i cannot remember the last time i sat down and turned on the tv and watched "the daily show," but i always knew what he was saying because i'd pick it up on liberal blogs. on bob simon i want to make an point about the importance on long form journalism. he did these pieces that have stuck with me for years, about the monks about the orchestra in congo playing beethoven's 9th. they were moving anlmost restored your trust in journalism. >> it's very unlikely to have a career like bob had and have that training and that seasoning. because he came up through when the broadcast networks had tons of money and he could go somewhere and spend weeks there reporting the story. you can't do that anymore. >> almost like jon stewart on
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steroids. but not nearly as funny and not necessarily accurate as ever. and when sh somebody gets in to trouble, there is a hue and cry and the person is demonized. and you know what is like to be on that end. >> yeah i think we're living in an era where the ferocity and prosecution is much greater than the severity of most of the crimes. and that's true not only for people like brian williams but also for the politicians we cover. i mean -- >> why is it not -- >> i really want to have a president who has messed around. i really want to have -- my idea of a great president -- >> we had. >> and we had-of there was another one who lied to the american people continually on matters of war and peace who messed around, who drank a pitcher of martinis every night. and my grandfather voted for him four times. franklin roosevelt. >> but let's get back to the treatment of media people yrks you you think it's unfair.
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>> it's all public people, not just media people. because -- >> media people depend on credibility. they're constantly getting clawed automatic. >> and all of us make mistakes. all of us do make mistakes. >> you've been fwauktalking about a blood loss. >> and rich was saying before bob simon almost made you trust journalism again. i trust journalism by and large. when i'm out there on the middle east having rpgs shot the -- no. but i see people like dexter fill filkins and other war reporters who really do the story. >> that's well said. but what is so amazing about the brian williams incident is if there is anytime you can't be inconsistent or make anything up and you know you'll get caught it's this era with so many attention on the media and social media and all the rest. >> but that's why i believe the cord con
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word conflation was appropriate. when the story first report, he reported it it accurately. over time the stories you tell get -- >> but you can't change it when there is a camera on you and it will live forever as the smoking gun of your guilt. >> it was a bad mistake. he blew the apology and there will be consequences. >> let me take just a moment it talk about david carr. he was a media columnist with the "times". he tieddied this week and it was a quirky funny character with original voice especially when he wrote a memoir about having been a crack addict as a young man and then wrote the most generous column ever published about me. so the outpours of tributes has been amazing. let me put up on the screen would be thing that carr wrote. we want our anchors to be everywhere, to be globe trotting
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february -- >> not like any other wednesday. >> that's not right. >> mr. president? >> what do you make of the latest presidential video? >> not a great day obviously for the dignity of the office, but this is one of the things youpolitician. it puts him in the swim of popular culture. aspects of the president citypresidency, not so great. >> everybody at fox thought it was awful. >> dignity of the office began to take a serious hit when bill clinton played a saxophone on arsenio hall. >> you're still mad about that. >> i think that it's now become inevitable inevitable. what about george w. bush searching for the weapons of has destruction under the tables of the oval office? that was a dignified moment for
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the presidency, as well. i think this is just part of the inevitable part of how you sell yourself. >> practice what sfruk me, norg sometimes said it was a humiliation, "washington post" he had he was acting like a weirdo. they don't usually bash president obama. >> but they also aren't thehe video. the audience for this video are young people. >> i should have explained this was designed to get young people signed up for obamacare. >> and you have to speak to young people in their language. and that's their language. >> so that's also why the president talked to these whacky youtube stars like flow flow zell greene. you can't just micro target. >> you're right, every ad targeted young people for
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obamacare has been ridiculous, whatever it is. >> in your opinion sfwlp. >> but it didn't mean the president has to participate. gentleman pajama boy and all those ads. >> what really bothered me is the constant fundraising letters that are sent out in his name by the democratic campaign committees. i mean, it's disgraceful to have a president begging for money in public on a daily basis. p. >> i just think this comes at a time when we're being bomb bomb barred isof imanges of terror. ahead, is president obama trying to shift the blame on isis? but up next david westin on the era of celebrity anchors and whether you the audience are part of the problem.
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after a week of media earthquakes earthquakes, the era of celebrity anchors coming to an end is thissf joining me now david westin. you write that the and you yeps is powerly drawn to celebrity anchors so mistakes loom larger. don't networks market pete likeople like this? >> the era of celebrity anchors is not a new one. walter cronkite was pretty big, peter jennings was pretty big. but i think the business has changed in ways that are not good. i think that there was a time when you were famous because you were good. not you were good because you were famous. and that is a subtle distinction, but i think it's a
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terribly important one that you need people like peter was who was a great correspondent, a great reporter, covered a lot of war, had been around the world and new whatknew what he was talking about, but when you sent him in you sent him into cover the story and peter was the first one to say that it's in thenot about us, it's about the story. >> after his death, you picked elizabeth vargas and bob woodruff to succeed him and bob woodruff nearly tied. but again it is your job to brand them and any anchor that you have in the chair. so i was a little surprised to see you say the audience kind of demands that. it's a chicken and egg thing. but are networks in the business of making their front line people big stars? >> you don't want to hide under a hole ever. but there is a fundamental difference. when we sent bob woodruff over, he had covered various wars and very experienced.we sent him over to cover the state of the union address
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that year because the subject was going to be iraq p. and that's why he was there. but even after he was injured so gravely with his cameraman and we really feared for his life, we did a special with him and he and i agreed from the very beginning that that special had to be principally about the other men and women who were suffering similar or even worse injuries and their families. >> not the journalists who spend a week or two. >> exactly about that bob was in it but we spent most of that hour on the other people. so it's a difference of attitude. are you the story or is what is going on around you the story? >> so is the down side the celebrity that when an anchor or famous correspondent gets into trouble, that at that point the audience -- everything is kind of magnified because of their very fame? >> i actually said i'm somewhat sympathetic to brian. what he did was awful and he
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admits that because the trust of your audience for you and your credibility really is all you have. so it's inexcusable. and it's hurt nbc news and to some extent everybody else. because the audience doesn't necessarily discriminate between networks. they think they must all be -- >> every media mistake hurts all those who practice journalism. about. >> at the same time i'm a bit sympathetic, because as these institutions are fighting for their live there is more and more of an emphasis on marketinged amarketing ed a and branding. and if you don't watch out, it can be about marketing an not covering the story. and i think the forces behind my brian would have been all encouraging him to be a bigger presence rather than checking him. >> at cbs, scott pelley succeeded katie couric.
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david muir succeeded diane sawyer. are we moving away from the $15 million a year superstar anchor to people who are very good as reporting and looking into the camera but are not transcend dent stars? >> i think the important point heredent stars? >> i think the important point here remember there are some very fine journalists doing really great work out there. we have a tendency to gofocus on what they were after they left us. i'll go back to my old job. martha raddatz is a terrific correspondent. and think what we can do as an audience is find those people seek them out and spend time with them to encourage them and people are behind them to do the same thing. >> spoken by someone who spent years finding talent. great to see you. coming up, president obama says the media are overdramatize overdramatizing the threat of
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with isis brutally murdering hostages and after the "charlie hebdo" killings terrorism is a front burner issue on tv and on the front pages. president obama was asked about the coverage. >> do you think the media sometimes overstates this sort of level of alarm people should have about terrorism and this kind of chaos? >> i don't blame the media for that. what is the famous saying about local newscasts. if it bleeds it leads. you show crime stories and you show fires. because that's what folks watch. >> but are the media the problem? joining us now, amy holmes who
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anchors the hot list. and mark hannah, ph.d. fellow who worked for barack obama's 2008 campaign. amy, is the president if not blaming the media at least faulting the media for terror coverage or is he acknowledging reality sf. >> you viewer in saying that he we have this attraction to fires and mayhem and blood and gore. i was really shocked by the statement because the president gets his daily briefing of the terrorist threat assessment and if what he is reading is less concerning than what we're seeing on the television, he should tell us. >> conservative pundits really jumped on the president over that one line. >> no kidding. they're not acknowledging the fact that he said i don't blame the media. but this saying that if it bleeds it leads it didn't come from the president. it didn't come from politicians. this comes there news executives themselves. and there a certain logic in it. there is a competitive pressure to try to show things that people actually care about, a people care about terrorism. they don't care about some
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obscure issue, they care about things that are of a general sbr. we've experienced terrorism in this country communally. so this is something that everybody has an interest in and frankly -- >> what you're saying is that the president is yubdunderstating the case. he's saying there an overemphasis over -- >> i think the president says terrorism fits the media narrative really well, it's designed to be spectacular designed to be this visual experience of violence that people are going to fear and so what the media does is of course it's going to play things that are -- >> if it bleeds it leads is about local news. but when isis is beheading hostages, how could that not get a lot of coverage? another point the president went on to made saying what doesn't get a lot of coverage are incremental showertories like climate change because they're not considered sexy. >> people have a hard time
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making sense of it. but this isn't necessarily a bad thing when extremism, whether islamic extremism or extremely polarized or extremely partisan sound bites get covered. it has a moderating influence, a moderating effect. so extreme acts of heroism extreme acts of valor are covered, as well. >> but what the president said is that the media is exaggerating these stories because of its visual impact and because viewers have this morbid obsession with violence. >> he didn't say morbid obsession. but he did use the word ratings. let me move to you 16 20you to 2016. scott walker was in london this week. question and answer got a lot of play here. let's roll it. >> are you contractible withmfortable idea, do you believe in it? >> i'll punt on that one, as well. >> no, really?
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>> that's a question politician shouldn't be involved in. >> is that a big news that scott walker dumped a question on evolution? >> i would say we're talking about it because of media bias and the media seems to be suggesting that if you have a biblical view of man being created in god's image is that should somehow be news worthy when in fact lots of americans agree with that. >> he didn't answer the question. >> he clarified later. >> but my point is why is he being asked the question. >> i think the rest of the world seeing american politicians specifically those on the right as denying basic sort of scientific precepts like global warming, climate change, like evolution and they see it as this kind of embarrassing thing. the bbc interviewer -- >> why should you be embarrassed to be a creation nis? >> the interviewer says if we ask that question in england, they would laugh at that because -- >> another bit of scott walker
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news. i didn't mean to cut you off. but there was a long piece on his college years trying to solve the mystery of why scott walker didn't get a college agree. which is not a secret. should we care? >> i think we see this vetting of all presidential candidates in terms of looking at their college courses, the grades they're willing to release, president obama of course not willing to release his transcript. i think this is normal and scott walker dropping out of college is news worthy. people would be interested to know. >> and i think any profile would obviously include that, but professors are saying he wasn't interested in school, he was interested in school politics. and i wonder whether it was too adversarial. >> every presidential candidate that presents as a credible candidacy will face these questions. >> so you take it as a fact of life. >> yeah. president obama was asked about drugs and romney asked about being a bully. all these facts came up.
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>> and the boston globe does a piece saying jeb bush was a bully. this is 40 years ago. >> people have the curiosity. i will say this, i have a lot of respect for the viewers and a lot of respect for news consumers to take these stories with a grain of salt. so you're not the same person you you are as an adult that you were in high school or college. everybody makes mistakes. >> the viewer may be willing to be forgiving, but apparently the media is not. >> amy holmes mark hanna, thanks very much for joining us. ahead with "60 minutes" in mourning, john roberts helps us remember bob simon. but after the break, piers morgan who knows something about being under fire scorches the critics who try to take down media and political big shots.
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piers morgan may have left cnn, but he has plenty of strong opinions. he takes on the toxic online culture that turns on one embattled figure after another and insists off with his head. and piers morgan joins me now from los angeles. let me start by quoting your column. you write politicians, celebrities, news anchors are all tossed on to the furnace of rightness at the just the suggestion. >> i think we're in a new phase
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where social media has empowered everyone to be as vicious and hes they want to be and i'm not sure how helpful that is to the democratic process. watch what happened to brian williams. yes, he practice a big mistake, but the way people went organization you would have thought he'd been a mass serial killer. and i think that has to be some kind of restraint sometimes where, yes, you acknowledge the mistake, yes you criticize yes you can berate brian williams, but the gleeful vilification of him as a human being, the mocker ary, the general consensus that you have to be smashed to pieces i found pretty unedifying. . >> have you felt at times that you've been on the receiving end of just that kind of fury? >> i have. i was fired from the daily mirror after ten years, pretty contentious circumstances. we published picture which is are were allegedly fake, british
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troops abusing iraqi civilians.is are were allegedly fake, british troops abusing iraqi civilians. it was like a huge story in england. big s i was fired. some of the soddierldiers were later jailed. so a moot point about the original argument. but what i did believe was that the whole process of what i went through, had i survived it, i would have been a better journalist and better editor. and i don't think can doubt that brian williams if he's allowed to have a second chance, that he wouldn't be a better anchor for the this experience, that he wouldn't take even more care to be completely accurate that he wouldn't perhaps put himself at the center of stories in the way that he has before so maybe he would dial down his celeb bring if i indication aspect of that job even though others have encouraged him to do in a.bring if i indication aspect of that job even though others have encouraged him to do in a. america is the lapdnd of second
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chances. >> you were a london tabloid editor, he went after people at cnn, he went after people who disagreed with your crusade for gun control. so aren't you part of this culture, aren't you part of the problem? >> yes. i am. and i acknowledged that in my column. particularly when it comes to my sporting allegiances, whether the england cricket team or arsenal football club who are currently win. and by the way i've never missed an arsenal game. but, yes, you said an interesting thing to pea. the president of cnn sat me down at the height of all that gun mayhem when it was petitioned to have me deported and everybody was screaming at each other and he said here's high viewmy view of this. i've got no problem with you running this campaign. but rather than call the gun lobby people to come on your
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show idiots, why don't you phrase it as i find your position idiotic. and it did strike me as an extremely sensible comment to make. it's the personal abuse that gets wrapped around all this driven by social media which i think often takes away from the central argument and also makes it very difficult to reach any fair balanced judgment or have any kind of consensus of opinion. >> i think we all need to watch our language as specially in this incendiary environment. we talked about the death of david carr. you tweeted that it was an e-mail from david carr that led to your departure from cnn. because he was going to write about uyou. explain. >> it was actually the announcement that came about saying i'm doing a piece about you. i don't think it worked, i think now he's struggling a bit and he invited knee talk to him. what i liked about the e-mail, he didn't sugarcoat this, he
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gave me his opinion. i didn't necessarily agree with it all, but he gave me his opinion and he said i want to talk to you so i can be fair and balanced. and i decided to talk to him and he actually wrote a very fair and balanced column about me. he had written before very negative comments about me he'd also been extremely supportive of me over the phone hacking scandal when i gave evidence over that. and so and he washe was a guy that i felt gave and you fair crack at the whip. but you talk about bli an williams getting second chances. david carr's life is the perfect template for somebody who if we judged him on the first half of his life when he was very negative, if we judge him -- >> a great point, but i have to go. >> he got the a second chance and we see what happens. >> pierce more begans morgan, thanks very much. after the break, remembering bob simon who spent decades reporting from war zones with his former coal electric john
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bob simon just finished a piece for "60 minutes" when he was killed in a car crash. there were plenty of tears at a staff meeting when they remembered the man who reported from vietnam to hate toy the middle east and once spent 40 days in an iraqi prison. >> as you can see, we've lost a little weight. we've aged a lit bit. we're fine. this is a story that could have ended another way but it's had a happy ending. >> there's a big war going on in vietnam and the people here know all about it. >> eight months ago, this might have been the happiest place in the world but a practicing named
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tall for a dictator. the people are back again and the dicktator is gone. >> john, what made bob simon special? >> good morning to you, howie. let me say, such a tragic loss, particularly the way he went after traveling the world and facing danger so many times the way he did. what made bob special was he was a master at his craft. you could her in the way he reports whether an on camera piece, piece to camera or whether in his writing, that straight matter of fact both sides get equal reporting innate curiosity howie where bob simon would take us along on a ride whether a short piece for evening news or long piece for "60 minutes" or any of the other fine cbs programs he was actually discovering something
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along the way, that sense of -- i don't want to say wonderment but curiosity he had in his reporting was different from so many people we have seen come up from cbs and other networks. he was master at his craft. >> absolutely in contrast with people we talked about he did not make the story about him except for the helicopter and in that iraqi prison. >> it was always about what he discovered i think made him such a great reporter. he never talked about himself except when he came out of iraq and only briefly and talked about what he discovered from other people, another fine point about bob. >> i understand you went to haiti with him. what happened? >> i didn't actually go with him. he was there when i got there. i was with a new york cbs station and bob was with cbs news at that time. we both ended up at the same hotel in purposeort-au-prince, haiti.
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i was still relatively new with the cbs family only been there a couple years. i thought let me take this opportunity to watch this guy who was so amazing what he did and how te did it. he used to sit in the edit room and so many correspondents wouldn't do that and send the editor's room. he would sitting through every flame of videotape. and go ah-ha! i went to sea to what he was doing. he weighs goingas going through the video to find that moment to start his piece or turn a phrase on that interesting piece of video that would hook people. bob never used video wall paper like so many people do. every picture in his story he was writing to it specifically. i had an amazing opportunity to learn from somebody like him simply through watching him. it was an incredible opportunity. >> storytelling and narration so important to the art of television news.
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absolutely. so striking bob simon was doing this up until the time of his death, 73 working on that ebola story. nice to have a chance for you to remember this great journalist, bob simon. >> let me tell you one other quick thing howie he said the time he was most frightened he was in bosnia stopped at a checkpoint, these were not the normal guys,s the were mu ja mujahideen, bad people. bob thought he was within a hair's breath of being executed. he escaped that like so many situations and that's the time he was afraid for his life. >> john roberts, thanks very much. still to come, top tweets was it quackery for an msnbc host to ask eric
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