inheritance." member that you can't take it with you. do you have a strange inheritance for the you'd like to share the map send me an e-mail or go to our website at us?ail or go to our website at go to our website, strangeinheritance.com. hello, and welcome to "justice." i'm katie in for judge jeanine. thanks so much for being with us. tonight the latest on the 21 christians brutally murdered by isis, the hunt to track down their killers and what's being done to protect christians in the middle east. another obamacare blunder. this could have their tax returns delayed. first, this week the white house finally held their big countering violent extremism summit but there seems to be a lot of meetings and we know there are a lot of speeches but there's one giant thing that was missing. any mention of islamic extremism. take a look. >> countering violent extremism begins with political, civic, and religious leaders rejecting

sectarian strife. when people are oppressed and human rights are denied, particularly along sectarian lines, or÷ ethnic lines, when dissent is silenced, it feeds silent extremism. obviously there's a complicated history between the middle east, the west, and none of us i think should be immune from criticism in terms of specific policies, but the notion that the west is at war with islam is an ugly lie. and all of us, regardless of our faith, have a responsibility to reject it. so if we're serious about countering violent extremism, we have to get serious about confronting these economic grievances. >> and with me now to discuss,

republican congressman lee zelden who is a member of the house foreign affairs committee. welcome, thank you so much for coming in on a snowy evening in new york. so my first question is, what was accomplished this week at this, what i've been calling the generic extremism summit in washington, d.c.? >> americans were looking for the president to execute a strategy to defeat radical islamic extremism. instead, he's lecturing americans. we're not looking for a professor. we want a commander in chief who's going to brilliantly execute a decisive strategy that is going to successfully defeat isis. i mean, it was a missed opportunity. this was another chance the president could have shown strong leadership, american exceptionalism, committing to strong decisive action to eliminate the threat. i mean, we have americans right now who are saying they wish king abdullah of jordan was our president. president obama needs to step up his game. it is incredibly important that we have troops right now, i'll

be damned if we're going to send our troops in harm's way and don't have an effective strategy to win. >> what do you make of the president essentially saying the west is to somehow to blame for what we're seeing with the islamic extremism playing across syria, iraq, and now into northern africa? >> america has nothing to apologize for. and listen, you can't defeat 9=nñi wii exactly what the threat is that we ar) there's nothing to apologize for. now is the time for him to articulate to americans, showing leadership, showing the rest of the world, standing with up our allies to defeat an element that if it continues to grow, i mean, december 7th, 1941, was a motivational moment in time that had us, resulted us in engaging if world war ii. we do not have to wait for another moment in infamy before we decide to engage to identify islamic extremism and to defeat it forcefully. >> so clearly you think, and a

lot of americans think based on polling that the president isn't doing everything he can to keep americans safe here at home. what do you think should have been addressed during the summit that wasn't, and how are we supposed to move forward especially in congress with this issue? >> i mean, the president should be talking less about poverty and talk more about his strategy that's going to result in a sleeping isis member being on the receiving end of a fire. having one of the little red dots from one of the navy s.e.a.l. rifles in the middle of the night. right now, isis, iran, al qaeda, the taliban, they're playing real-life war, and our president is playing the card game war. he needs one of those epiphanys where he has resolve and determination to actually annihilate the threat. >> what's going to be congress' role in this? the president has come to congress, the senate and the house and asked for military authorization and seems like republicans and democrats are on two different sides of the issue now. what is congress specifically going to do to do what maybe president obama is not? >> i'm happy that the president came to congress asking for the

authorization for the use of force. we have some important questions that not only us but our constituents are interested in knowing. how many troops? what are their skill sets? who is in charge? is that person in charge going to be given the flexibility and resources they need to and the authorization, it says the president should be able to do everything that's necessary and appropriate. what is necessary and appropriate to this president? we want to know a strategy because we don't want to send our troops overseas if they're not going to win. >> well, certainly the american people also want both the president and congress to come up with a solution to this problem, which is growing by the day. congressman, thank you so much for being here today. and growing outrage tonight after sentcom official publicly released specific details of future war plans against isis. senator john mccain, chairman of the senated armed forces committee tweeted au eed out tow we tell them the enemy, when, where, what forces we will

attack them. unbelievabl unbelievable." retired general colonel schaffer joins me now. what is your reaction to this? >> this is keystone cops level mistakes. i don't remember winston churchill calling adolf hitler saying, you know, that wall, we're about to breach it and you better get ready. this is bad on all levels. we have to focus, katie, on how to go about stating intentions. that's great. we want to certain things in the war. you can't say we're coming from 25,000 troops within this timeframe and want to be done by ramadan. it's totally insane. it gives the enemy total ability to get there ahead of you. right now we're seeing along route tampa, the main resupply line between kuwait and baghdad ieds we've never seen before. the guys are ahead of us. the forces we're trying to train, iraqi regulars, are not going it be ready. you have on the daily basis the

shia and sunni elements fighting each other. we're being referees. we're not going to be ready for primetime in six weeks. we're saying this in a way that will almost ensure failure. >> my question now that these plans have been published, looking at doing something, taking back mosul is not a small defeat. it is a huge city. >> it is. >> what is it going to take to actually get that job done? >> it's going to take senc essentially a three-part plan. isolate the city to make sure isis doesn't get resupplied, take special operation forces, determine specific targets inside to hit the right things, don't hit civilians. third, use a decisive military force that's cohesive that's trained in urban warfare. our best troop, it takes a long time, katie, to put together an urban warfare unit. the marines have done this. they had to take several cities a couple different times. i don't think we're going to be able to do this with the iraqis. i'm not saying we shouldn't take an arab force and do. i'm saying it's going to take a lot more than six weeks to get

them ready to go for this. >> switching gears to north africa, there is a report out now showing that isis plans to invade europe through north africa. i stress the word "invade" to the viewers because we're not talking about sending a couple fighters in here and there. they're talking about a full-scale invasion. how realistic is that? and is isis really at the point where they can pull something like that off? >> no, but if we don't stop them now, they're move in that direction. three things have to be available to them. first, a nation state level infrastructure to do this. they have to have logistics, command and control, have to be able to sustain their forces, train them and project them. projection is a tricky thing. the chinese can't do forced projection yet, they're a huge country. katie, you have to be concerned about the fact we've done nothing to deter them so far. president al sisi has been using the military to go in there. the london center for policy research which i belong to has a policy recommendation regarding

this region to include el sisi and iraq, allows for as the congressman was talking about a real strategy to put forth to go after this. the isis folks in libya have to be taken seriously, defeated. they're on the path, and unless we do something now, within a few years they'll have that capability. >> we do have, actually, a comment from the egyptian ambassador who said similar things to the egyptian president. let's take a listen to that real quickly. >> sure. >> we are determined to confront these people. we are not going to allow them to take control over our region. egypt considers itself to be the work against these extremists and we take our role seriously, but now these 21 people, these 21 egyptians who were slaughtered in libya, that should be a wake-up call to us all.

the international community needs to show resolve. and that has to happen today, not in six months' time. >> colonel, is that going to be a wake-up call? are we going to see them progress more as we move forward? >> he is absolutely correct. let me be clear, the egyptians can prevent libya from falling further into chaos. we need to get behind them. just like the kurds are the ones we need to partner with to go into mosul. we have allies. the president doesn't like the allies we have. we hasn'ts to swag off and do something else. let the generals do their job to wkiq46çñi our partners in the region whether than having a policy of wishful thinking which was on full display in this so-called white house meeting to prevent, you know, islamic extremism. it's totally s÷6ebs> absolutely.zr colonel $jshaffer, thank you fo your time tonight. >> thank you. school girls from the uk who boarded a flight to turkey in a common flight path toward isis in syria. these images are from gatwick

airport outside london. the girls, two of whom are 15, the other 16, all attend the same school in east london. apparently to one at the airport questioned why the three young girls were traveling without any adult supervision to turkey and possibly sere wra. earlier today, the parents of these young girls sent out pleas on social media for them to come home and prime minister david cameron also voiced his concern. >> well, it is deeply concerning, and obviously authorities will do everything we can to help these girls, but it does make a broader point which is the fight against islamist extremist terror is not just one we can wage by the police and border control. it needs every school, every university, every college, every community to recognize they have a role to play. we all have a role to play in stopping people from having their minds poisoned by this appalling death cult. >> and with me now, terrorism analyst and fox news contributor

lisa, thanks so much for coming in tonight. >> pleasure. >> first let's talk about the three girls. how did these authorities actually find out that they were gone and missing and on their way to turkey and probably ultimately syria. >> their parents actually alerted authorities when they said they were going to school and actually didn't come home and that's with they were going. they're still believed to be in turkey and have not yet crossed over into isis territory, into syria. authorities are obviously -- they know time is of the essence because it's much easier to find them in turkey rather than wait until they are in syria. >> how is it that these young women who aren't even legal adults yet are able to get on an airplane flight at a time when we're watching isis closely and even get to turkey without going -- going unnoticed essentially? >> right, absolutely. this is something that obviously the, you know, isis is masterful at doing, recruiting, radicalizing, luring young women, their target group, young women from the west to go over

there to become is is, brides, girlfriends, to be sold for a profit or become part of the growing caliphate. they want isis wives, husbands, baby, families. they want to grow the caliphate. >> there are at least 50 women from the uk who have gone to be wives of isis fighters, i've seen one in six of the recruits isis is taking are women. this is a huge number. what is the actual reality for these women once they get over? as you said, isis puts up this really appealing way of living in syria, but in reality, it's much different. >> right. they promise islamic utopia, they go over there and realize sharia law reality. what happens, it's difficult once they are there to come back because they're an asset for isis. again, not only are they wives, sex slaves or what have you, now they have western passports in their possession. it's difficult once they get there. some act as a platform becoming a propaganda tool and asking other women to come serve or religion, come join isis and

others who are absolutely regretful. >> yeah. i want to switch gears a little bit here. we've talked about women and other fighters going to syria, but now the concern is that syrian refugees actually being invited to the united states to seek asylum. what can you tell us about that? >> right. this is an absolute mistake. we've already seen the fallout from letting refugees come whether it's in europe or here in the united states, in the aftermath of 9/11 or the boston marathon bombing. look, we are a nation, we have heart, we want to let the refugees in. a lot are well intentioned, religious minorities, christians, we want to let them in. at what cost? we don't have the proper apparatus to vet the individuals. who are we to let them in and take a risk? the irony, the reason this administration did not get involved in the syrian civil war, we could not figure out who the good and bad guys are are we going to take a chance and let the bad guys in with the good guys here in this country? >> that's my question. what is the vetting process they actually have set up?

there's been a lot of kricritic of the amount of students from saudi arabia because they overstay their visas and there's thousands of students lost in the system who we haven't followed up on. we're seeing this refugee crisis which is 4 million people and doesn't seem like they can even handle that large of a number, unfortunately. >> no, we cannot. we don't have the apparatus on the ground in syria in terms of getting intel, again, remember the red line how we drew it, how we couldn't get involved because we just did not have the proper intel. and, again, we've already seen the fall wro the fallout from letting these types of individuals in. as much as we want to be the nation that provides haven for unfortunate cases, at the same time, we prioritize national security. and that's the bottom line. >> absolutely, national security for the united states comes first. lisa, thank you so much for your time tonight. really appreciate it. coming up, the latest on the 121 coptic christians brutally murdered by isis. what's being done to bring their killers to justice. tell us what you think on facebook and twitter

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not okay. this is something that the white house doesn't understand. this is a religious aspect of this that they just don't accept and they refuse even to this day, will not accept and don't believe it. we have to understand who we're dealing with and you have to deal with it accordingly. and the president is ignoring the fact that these are islamic extremi extremists. these are terrorists. and isis is a terrorist organization. and they are bent on destroying the west. >> that's reverend franklin graham saying what many politicians and other religious figures refuse to say about isis. my next guest believes christianity is under attack and more needs to be done. president of the family research council, tony perkins, joins me now. thank you, tony, so much for being here tonight. i first want to start with your reaction to the white house initially classifying coptic christians who were beheaded by isis as simply egyptian citizens. >> well, katie, it was very clear in the video that is ynis

sent out to the world, primarily to the united states, they said these 21 men who were fathers, husbands, brothers, who were simply trying to find work to provide for their families back in egypt, they were executed in libya. they -- it was said that they were executed because they were people of the cross. they were targeted because they were christian. it was very, very clear, and the president cannot bring himself to say that. you know, time and time again, we're finding this president is deferential to islam and dismissive of christianity. in fact, he said earlier that the war is not -- or the west is not at war with islam. well, radical islam is at war with the west. and as franklin graham said, if we don't realize that, it's going to have deadly consequences for us. >> well, tony, as gruesome and horrifying and awful the video was of that beheading of the 21 christians on a beach in libya, we have seen for nearly a year

grougroup siúxwmmi completely wiping out christians in the middle east. are we seeing a genocide here that we're not addressing in proper terms? >> katie, you're absolutely right. this is genocide. genocide is when you try to eradicate a group of people for a particular reason. we saw this in world war ii where there was an effort to eradicate the jewish people, and the world sat by until it was too late. that's happened again now in the middle east. these people are being targeted because they're christian. there are other religious minorities and even muslims who disagree with the sunni muslims being killed as well. the president refuses to call it what it is, and that is genocide. that's reason for that because then we have a moral and a legal obligation to do something about it and we have not done all that we're doing. there's a huge vacuum in world leadership. when the president of egypt and the king of jordan has, shows greater leadership than the

leader of the united states, it says a lot. >> well, we've certainly seen that the middle east is no longer a safe place for christians to simply exist with other religious minorities. i want to discuss with you real quickly your calls for the president of the united states to say christians should be able to come to the united states and seek refuge here from the things that they're facing in the middle east. >> yeah, and i understand there's a security issue there that we have to make sure that these are fully vetted. here's the issue. we're afraid to usewhtu discrimination. against those who want to come to this country and destroy it as opposed to those who want to safe haven. i think we can do that. i do think, though, the greater issue is that we have to take on isis where they are and we have to stop this spread. these folks are intent on killing. period. no two ways about it. and in this vacuum, you see more and more americans, we -- many veterans who fought in iraq who

don't want to see the gains that were made there completely lost. >> right. >> are now volunteers and going over and fighting with the kurds to protect those christians that have escaped into the kurdish area for protection. >> absolutely. we would hope that president obama, based on the summit he had this week, i do-ká think we really saw much progress there, but hopefully congress can do something and christians in america can also do something to bring some of those christians a little bit of relief. tony perkins, thanks so much for your time tonight. >> thank you, katie. one thing we can do is pray. >> yes, we can. absolutely. thank you. coming up, did the state department really say the way to beat isis is by giving them jobs? and then did they follow up by telling us we'reu;h%ust too dumb to understand? a former state department official weighs in, next./jióçí faststststststz.

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earlier this week, judge jeanine had an@q exclusive interview with lord malcolm pearson, meyy ofmbmçát british house of lords. sis and islamic extreme has in ] europe and the united states. take a look. >> you come under fire for saying this is clearly islamic ñ terrorism. x#÷ hesitation to do that?ró%c m&s political f correctitude. our political intoning that islam is a +++y'

it's perfectly reasonable. >> given what some are saying is clearly attacks in the name of god, in fact, lord, what does islam mean? they say that it's a religion of peace, but what does it actually mean? >> well, islam means submission. submission to the will of allah. as revealed in the koran and in the life and actions of muhammad, what he did and said. all as interpreted by their clerics. and there's no argument about that. and you're not allowed to talk about it. one of the things that really worries me about this whole thing is as soon as you start talking about islam and say what about all these violent verses

where muhammad was killing people all over the place or being commanded to kill them all over the place by allah? you're told that if you thought that you were stirring up the hatred and you can't possibly talk about it, well, of course, the hatred is actually coming only one direction from them against us. >> and islam is to you, and to i think many, more than just a religion. why do you say that? >> well, islam, you see, is a religious, legal, and political system. and some would say an ideology. all rolled into one. there is as you have in the united states, judicially, the executive, and so on. it's all one thing. it's all what's in the koran. what muhammad did and said, as interpreted by the clerics and that's the end of it. and all muslims are enjoined to

follow the koran and the example of the prophet throughout his life. >> when people talk about islam-o-phobia, you know, a phobe wia is not rational. given beheadings in the name of allah and the burning of the coalition pilot, it certainly is rational, is it not? >> well, i think it's quite wrong to talk about it, islam-o-phobia because the fear is entirely reasonable. i fear islam and i think i have very good reason to do so, and so do you. i mean, starting with 9/11, going on from there. seeing what's happening in north africa. of course, we should fear islam, but we should be allowed to talk about it. and we're not allowed to talk about it because if we do, we are causing religious hatred and defending the sensitivities. we mustn't demonize all the peaceful muslims who live in this country. we have to get together with them, talk about islam, talk about the koran, and get them to

take on their violent coalitionists. after all, they're the vast majority. why can't they deal with the tiny minority which i think they want to, but we've got to help them to do that? in saying everything that we say about the more violent muslims, we mustn't demonize the peaceful ones. >> but if you're calling on the peaceful ones to, you know, engage in a conversation with a more violent element, the jihadists, aren't they afraid to do so given what's happening to muslims even in the middle east? the muslims are being killed as well. >> yeah. no, no, i think that is true. i think day are afraid. and i think that is one very good reason why they don't do it. >> lord pearson, thank you so much for being with us. we look forward to have you on in the future. with me now for reaction, an activist for the global women's rights movement and a women's delegate for the united nations. thanks so much for being here tonight. >> thank you, katie. thank you so much.

>> so you were recently in london. tell us about your experiences. is lord malcolm pearson correct in his assessment? >> i absolutely agree with him. i think he covers several key points and one of them is being that there's a deep ostrization because there's a deep fear. there's a lack of backlash that's associated with it. the minute you tie the theological component to the radical ideologies that do exist there, you're immediately labeled as an islam-o-phobe, and this cuts the dialogue from any sort of progressive movement that can be done, and we've seen this happen even when we're seeing continuous human rights violations with women, girls, children, time and time again, and the term islam-o-phobia is always thrown the minute you begin to question -- the minute you begin to ask why, why, what

is the justification, and a lot f times the justification is theological and it has been there. this isn't anything new. these, you know, these laws have been codified for centuries. >> right. >> and now isis is acting up on them and we're reacting when really it's been there for quite a while. >> and it's certainly made its way into the west. i was also in london recently and just a couple days before the copenhagen shootings happened i attended an anti-free speech islamic protest in london just outside of parliament. i thought it was so interesting how they corralled off the women from the men at this protest. and they put the stage in the middle of the protest and the all-male speakers turned their back to the women and only spoke to the men which brings me to my next question for you. you have some interesting information on an isis manifesto for women and girls. what can you tell us about what their plans are for them? >> oh, yeah. this isis manifesto was actually written by their brigade which is all females, and they enforce

these sharia laws but extreme versions of them where it justifies girls to be married at the age of 9. as jihadist brides. >> right. you obviously have very strong connections to the u.n. you have strong influence at the u.n. what is the u.n. doing? not only to protect women and girls, but to stop the recruiting from isis that those

women and girls can be protected from getting into a bad situation? >> i think it's unfortunately a lot of times with the u.n., there's continuous reports of human rights violations before some sort of action item is taken into place. and i've seen this quite a bit and my hopes are that i'm able to have some sort of an influence and that we're able to act up upon the human right violations that are continuously occurring especially under the fame of religion and culture and what isis has been doing. >> absolutely. i hope that we can move forward in the u.n. without being called islam-o-phobic for protecting the human rite rights of human and girls. zainab khan, thank you for your time. >> thank you. coming up, the latest obamacare debacle. wrong data could hit nearly 1 million americans where it hurts, in the wallet. we'll tell you what you need to know coming up next.

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april 15th. we're talking about a very small fraction of people who are affected. >> well, another day, another obamacare blunder. this time, the obama administration sent 800,000 healthcare.gov customers incorrect tax forms. with me now, obamacare author, betsy mccoy. betsy, it seems like there are three things in life that are certain, taxes, death and obamacare paperwork. >> that's right. this is death by paperwork. if you thought that paying taxes was complicated before, this makes it into torture. this is the h&r block full employment act. the mistake this week just shows this is too complicated even for the irs. >> give us some details on what the mistake is this week because it does affect a million people despite the administration trying to down play the number of people affected. >> it's supposed to go out to everyone who received an obamacare subsidy and you use the numbers on that form to fill out another form, form 8962, a

form with 12 pages of instructions. everybody has to fill that out who's gotten a subsidy or wants an exemption. just to give you an example of the nature of this form, at one point it says, if you checked the no box on line 6 or your filing status is married, filing separately, and the special situation described above, situation two does not apply to you, then you can skip columns "a" through "e" and two directly to column "f" later. i assume later is after you downed a couple of margaritas. >> hundreds of dollars and spent lots of hours of your hardworking time. >> our time is worth money, too. by the way. >> yes, and it's not just taxpayers who are being killed by this paperwork. it's physicians. everyone who works in a doctor's office, and employers who are being suffocated by it. >> what's your best advice

moving forward, though? i have noticed the obama administration is not saying there won't be penalties for people who might file late as a result of their error. again, we're talking about a million people here, not talking about just a few as the administration has tried to down play. 1 million people are victims of this and the government being too big to actually do it the right way. >> that's right. and now the government is saying there are already 29 reasons to get exemptions, but for most of them, you have to go through filling out all of this paper wok, so i'd be worried about developing a nervous twitch or drinking too much as you wake your way through this paperwork. >> well, as we knew when obamacare passed that the big insurance companies would get more money and that tax returnees would also be employed for longer hours. what do you think is the amount of time that attorneys are going to have to spend and irs officials and accountants figuring this whole thing out? >> well, i think for the average person, obamacare adds about 50% to the time you already have to take doing your taxes.

you've probably noticed on your regular w-2, there's a new box, box 12. they said don't worry about box 12, that doesn't mean your on the job coverage is going to be taxed. they just want you to know the value of what you're getting on the job. >> so they can study it later. what implications does this have down the road for next year when more obamacare regulations go into effect next year, the year after that? of course, it's going to get more complicated. >> we know already this is roiling labor negotiations because in 2018 a special tax rolls in for people who have high value expensive generous health plans and many of those people work for unions. they've given up wages in the past to have generous health plans. now they're being ripped away. >> cadillac tax is coming. betsy mccoy, thanks for your time. appreciate it. tonight at 10:00 p.m. after this show a fox news reporting special hosted by brett baier look at democrats who hope to

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