>> "outnumbered" starts now. we will see you back in an hour. >> we are standing by as the democrats in the senate are set to hold a news conference. the battle over funding the department department of homeland is heating up after the republicans block a bill for the fourth time because the money is tied to repealing obama's executive action. senator leader mitch mcconnell floated a new option separating the funding for the dhs making

it a clear bill. if mcconnell does this it will likely face tough opposition prom conservatives in his own party. we will keep you updated. and later we will talk about what is at steak if the money funding the homeland runs out at midnight on friday. this is "outnumbered." here with us is harris faulkner, stacy dash and kennedy is here and today's #oneluckyguy former nypd star and movie star beau beetle is back. welcome back. >> ronald reagan and alzheimer's is what this is all about. we remember that is something that people are being afflicted

with all over the world and ronald reagan, our great president, had it. >> they referenced it at the oscar oscars >> that is why i am wearing the hat. because many don't know how bad it is. i apologize but a reflectionitation to the alzheimer's and ronald reagan. >> you are wearing ucla colors. >> i have been doing fox for 15 years. this is becoming my favorite show. >> we love having you. >> seeing all of the intelligence of you ladies. >> get your dictionary. >> i am telling hanity you like us better too. isis reportedly abducted a

hundred christian in syria saying they overran a small amount of villages in the northeast part of the country. 3,000 people were able to escape the onslaught but those who could not get away included women and children and it is raising questions about the future of christianity in iraq and the rest of the middle east. listen to what an american filmer maker said. >> the future of christianity in iraq is uncertain. they face possible extinction. there people continue to leave and iraq's christian heritage might be lost forever. >> this is nothing new. we saw the beheading of a number of christians in egypt and now we see 70 christians abducted in syria. a lot of people are saying this is terrible about want to know what the united states role is.

>> i challenge anyone to watch the whole video of what happened in libya with the beheading of the 21 christians. i watched the entire thing. it is such a haunting video what they did to these young men. what i do say is this. we cannot make this into a holy war against all muslims. we need the support of the egyptian and the turkish people. i don't want to make this into another crusade or holy war. we need them and we have to help them someway but we cannot be out front. they have people joining up. people with no direction, losers, now have a reason to live and kill themselves. we don't need that. we have to keep your distance somewhat. >> hanitty, i think we agree on this. i know there were efforts to help free a community that had a

number of murders because isis had been attacking christians. this is not a new thing. what do you think the united states' role is? we cannot be the world cop. >> i want the modern muslim community to be as outraged about this. it is very difficult to receive what it is like to be a religious minority in the united states because that is not the position the christians hold. but it really is. the middle east is special because it is the birth place of civilization and three of the world's major religions including christianity. and being such an important place, all of the religions should work hard to protect each other especially when they are fastly out numbered. >> what do you think, stacy? you saw egypt react. you saw the jordanians jumping

in. what do you think the united states should do? >> lc said we have to take our religion back. it has been high jacked by the monsters. i believe we have to unite and fight and we cannot stand back in the background. we are the super power of the world. >> saudi arabia have so much money let them finance weaponry and they should come up with cash to supply the missiles. we are down to a hundred. let's get 10,000 and bomb the hell out of them. >> do you trust the saudi arabian? they have spent billions funding. >> they are realizing if they don't stop isis they will march through the areas over there and they will be right through their door.

and who stopped saddam hussein? we stopped him. >> exactly. we stopped him. >> now we need them to come up with the cash to help with the arm armor armor. >> we should go get the cash. >> let's get harris in here. i don't think we can police all of these situations. as sad as this is they are going to continue to do this. they will continue to kid nap christians. i don't think we can share blot and treasure to save everybody -- blood -- because this is happening so often. we are talking about syrian christians. >> i don't know if you can coach outrage if you will not say the word christian. if it takes you several days to acknowledge 21 christians were actually christians that were killed. i am talking about the president

of the united states. then it came into statement but in front of the camera. it is hard to take the position of be outraged against me if it isn't spoken. i understand where the white house is coming from. because they have to build this coalition. if you draw this down the line of religion you also have to say radical islam. now you are putting words in the president's mouth he doesn't want to say and while the rest of the world maybe saying this and looking at this including the president of jordan to get our president to say it is difficult apparently. >> you don't think it is a point for our president to have an emergency meeting of the country's general council and get together and say we are facing the biggest -- this is like the nazi's again. >> we had his cde conference for violent extremism.

>> he did call out the egyptian christians there on camera. >> world support is what we need. >> he had people there. >> i am not talking about justlem musms -- just muslims >> if he is not acknowledging the threat and put together a plan of attack how is he going to get those around him going? >> that is a good point. i think the fact there wasn't one representative of the united states in paris at the critical moment. it was about more than bombing the middle east. that was a moment where people who valued free speech stood up

arm and arm and said you cannot do this to us. >> and they then announced the rescheduled terrorism summit under the fire of why are you not there. >> i don't think we should wait for september for the un to meet >> and stacy, doesn't it look ridiculous having isis beheading christian and pointing to rome saying we are at war with the people of the cross. and president obama says nothing to see here. no religion here >> he is a narccist. >> i hope he wakes up one day and realizes you could fix something. you have two years to go. >> you say we are not in a holy

war. tell them to that. a big battle on the capital hill with the homeland security agency at the middle of it. fear mongering and a friday deadline where the hot words. will washington put america's safety first? and he was supposed to cleanup the veteran's association but bob mcdonald caught in his second lie in a matter of week and this time caught on camera. we will show you. and right after the show you know it is called "outnumbered" overtime. send us questions and comment and if you want to ask us a question kennedy is here. ask anything you want within reason >> i will thrill you today. >> click on the overtime tab and tweet questions, comments and what topic you want hooto hear more about. jack's heart attack didn't come with a warning. today, his doctor has him on a bayer aspirin regimen

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mcdonald was shown talking to a veteran who said he served in the armed special forces. watch what happened: >> army? navy? >> army? >> what unit? >> special forceman. >> what year. i was in the special force man. >> oh his statement was inaccurate. he apologizes to anyone he offended. the white house said they take bob at his word. this is after coming under fire for saying 60 people were fired in the wait time scandal and a fact checking website found fewer than 20 had been dismissed and the others were disciplined. let's talk about this bob mcdonald. hillary -- >> or hillary.

>> she is always on your mind. >> harris -- >> that was funny. >> i mean the glasses. harris you come from a military family. and bob went through ranger school so he wasn't that far away but he didn't serve in the special forces >> my dad the colonel is always disappointed when the liar's pants don't actually catch on fire. >> i think this is a lesson. we do backgrounds. >> is your name hillary? i find with resumes we fact check and so many people fib. they say they more degrees than a thermometer. if you say you have a bachelor you better, because we are

checking. >> he is tasked with cleaning up the va and you have republicans coming on board saying the secretary's statement was an error but it does not error -- excuse me -- but it doesn't dim the fact he served honorable and this shouldn't shift the folks away from the long-overdue task of cleaning up the scandal plagued va. that is mike kaufmann. democrats agree we should not be fighting over this. the real task has to be the veterans affairs >> stacy let's talk about it. it isn't that big of a truth stretching. 60 people he claims were fired from the va and that is a very small number considering the size of the scandal and really only a third of that. >> i wonder if the word lie is

no longer in the dictionary. i would love to hear him and brian williams talk about war stories. it would be quite a conversation. >> the difference is bob mcdonald knew how to fly the helicopt helicopter. >> i think he got excited >> but your not in battle. >> i do agree. it isn't like he said i was formally a military instructor or make a mean dish. he lied about his service. do you think he should be fired? no. but we have become the fake it until you make it society. everybody is lying, no one cares, no fact checking. can this be a lesson between this and brian williams? can people stop lying. there is google. there is cameras and there is

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right now we are watching senate democrats speaking with reporters about the looming showdown over one of the government's most critical agencies out of the corner of my eye it is wrapping up.

the department of homeland, which could run out of monday on friday if no funding deal is reached. 200,000 essential workers like border works, tsa screeners, coast guards and others to name a few would be asked to work without pay and office workers sent home without pay. a partial dhs shutdown would stall the money for rebuilding after disasters and stop analysis of terror threats. this as isis is on the move extending their rampage and we have the threat against america's biggest shopping mall coming from another terror group this week. mitch mcconnell is floating a compromise after the republicans shutdown the 4th bill.

mcconnell mcconnell's proposal would split up the funding, so a cleaner bill for them to look at. it has the idea of one senate democrat joe mansion, of west virginia. >> i said to my republican friends. give us a vote on a clean homeland security bill. i will support the actions on a bill that will prevent the president from taking executeive action and vote with thim on that. but we need a clean vote on the homeland security bill. >> meanwhile, the gop congressman, peter king says he believes house republicans shouldn't have tied homeland security funding to the president's immigration action, so much is at risk if friday's deadline isn't met. >> i think the democrats are being irresponsible in refusing to allow this to come to a vote. i don't want to finger point. republicans are in charge democrats have the presidency

and we have to come together and get this done by friday or the american people are going to say not agree on this what can you agree on? >> andrea this is where the car stopped. we talked about it on the couch. we said if republicans did this this is how it would roll out. >> democrats want the fight so they can say republicans don't want to keep people safe. it is a complex fight. the right fight for republicans to make but they will lose it if they try to play it out in the press. shame on the democrats for drawing them into this and same on the republicans taking the bet. let immigration play out in the courts. if democrats didn't like the republicans bill in the senate bring your own bill. they cannot bring it to the floor. but good for mitch mcconnell for thinking and doing it this way. democrats have been able to draft a bill and bring it.

but they didn't. >> mitch mcconnell is going to walk the line with the conservatives in the republican party. stacy, what are you thinking? >> for republicans, national security is number one on our agenda. that is for sure. so i cannot see that happening on friday. that is not goying going to happen. this is much to do about nothing. they should have two clean bills, it should be left to the court and that is how it should go. >> this is a court thing right now. they should put it into the supreme court, let it go that way, they should thought stop and congressman king is xktly right. we should not shutdown anything. make a compromise. get it done. it republicans will get blamed for it. where is nancy pelosi? did they let her out of the cage yet? >> oh, boy. the timing of this is just

horrible for republicans, too. look at the conversation focused on the mall of america and the west edmonton mall in canada. those things mentioned in the recent video. the timing could not be worse about having a conversation about whether or not you give funding to the department of homeland. >> i think the dhs is a lackluster organization. you see the guys jumping over the fence and the tsa -- i have groped by the tsa more times over the last months than i have by my husband. >> you don't think it is a serious issue? >> i think it is questionable how function dhs is. i think these people are going to get paid and it is okay to test the water. >> people live on their paycheck. the majority get the check and have to pay for food. everybody doesn't have cash on

the side. >> i know not everyone is beau beetle >> i have a payroll every two week and have to pay these folks >> if something happens in a locality and commits a crime, these members go home on thursday. >> they are not. >> they will look for any issue they can for have a press release and stand up there saying this murder happened because republicans don't like safety and they didn't fund this. and they will get killed from a pr perspective. >> they will not start working. >> i agree. but the democrats are going to make it look like the republicans are responsible for murder. >> you know stacy, why does it come to this with republicans? why wasn't there a different proposal earlier or do they get

credit trying to fight for this? >> they are trying to fight but they should not have tried to piggy back it. it is chess. not checkers. >> it is the ultra conservative group that did it. this is baloney. compromise is what the country is about and bringing people together. democrats said a red paintbrush, paint the red line. we'll push you into a corner. >> they don't have a leader to help them compromise. their leader is not there. he is not present. >> you don't like obama, do you? >> no. >> i thought you were talking about boehner? >> talking about obama. the commander-in-chief of our country. he is not there. >> republicans are trying to do. a lot of them won their elections based on fighting the president's executive orders. especially on immigration harris. they're trying to put that i vote by the name, go back to the district we fought this but

playing out policy and pr are very different. >> i know where the president is. giuliani said, please, mr. president, come back to earth. is out in space somewhere, right? >> what would you have done in terms after compromise? we see it coming down the pike, whenever you make money and security on opposite ends of table, who doesn't want to say you don't want to protect the country any point, specifically at this point? >> i think mcconnell made the smartest move if this was chess he get as credit for my book. having clean bill. bringing it to the floor and making democrats vote on that. >> yes. >> then republicans need to talk about executive orders, playing out in the court. it is best chance for defeats obamacare and unraveling a lot of these bills. >> before we go on what do you say to those conservatives in the gop they believe what they're doing? trying to keep immigration executive action from happening. what do you say to them? >> when i see peter king

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♪ >> the mall of america is at the center of a new battle in the wake of that terror threat from al-shabaab. one minnesota lawmaker says he wants the shopping center to drop its no gun policy so shoppers can protect themselves. the mall is interpreting state concealed carry laws incorrectly. he is intent on challenging them.

>> the situation with mall of america is completely ridiculous. it is just opposite of what they should be doing. if we're threatened with an attack of any type, the last thing you ever want to do is disarm citizens. but basically they're making a killing zone on, if i were a terrorist, the first place that i would look to go to inflict harm or mass casualties where a place where people are unarmed. >> so the big debate. should gun laws be dropped so that people can carry their gaun malls like the mall of america? >> if you legally have a firearm and legally registered, i believe you should be able to, even in colleges. you have retired cops, you have cops that are going to school, on to colleges. they can't bring their funds. i certainly would like retired guy or guy who is former military with a license to be there. remind me of that commercial that time when guys tried to hold up a restaurant and it was luncheon with a bunch cops, they come out with their guns to the

three guys sticking them up. i believe legal guns should be able to be kept there. you have responsibility of using that firearm properly. if you do it wrongly you will be arrested. >> go ahead, harris. i would point out the numbers on the screen. although i was talking. you mentioned this too. the amount of money resources it costs to secure such a vast place like mall of america. >> well, my issue is not so much the cost but how vast it is. i used to live five minutes from that mall for many years. you have 520 stores as andrea said. we popped up october facts on the screen. how hard is it to secure an asset like this? it is enormous. >> it is enormous. you have security technology you do overview, all the security there. cameras, technology is really pretty good now. it is enhancing every day but never comes down to having real professionals, paying, i say bo, i want the best security for cheapest price. it is oxymoron. you can't have that. you need professional people armed, retired guys, law

enforcement who know how to effectively use necessary force when they have to. it's a very difficult thing. you have to perimeter. tough make sure people are observing people or acting funny where they could pick up right away. security guard scratching his head driving on one of those leeway things? remember "mall copp "? that doesn't work, you need professional security. i say professional costs money. >> coy just say, that i have always thought that gun-free zones, while well-intentioned, i understand wanting to keep schools safe and keep illegal guns out of schools but it really is invitation. not for black swans but for terrorists. if you're talking about an event like we saw in kenya, it is very easy to target people you know have guns. the thing about a well-armed society you don't necessarily no who is going to come to the defense of their fellow citizens. and you know a real democracy is one where the guns and power are concentrated in the hands of the people. >> like i said yesterday, we

should arm the good guys. i know where there are not threatening, that is in the south, in texas, because they know they're armed to the teeth. >> right. it is deter earned. >> not threatening them. >> instances like virginia tech shooting. instance happened in canada. how was that terrorist taken down? a gun. >> you can't take him down with a nerf bat. you have to be armed. >> west edmonton mall in canada largest mall in north america is on the short list where terrorists want to hit in the video. they picked rather soft targets who would be armed on premises. what you talk about with the security guards is really chilling though. >> yeah. >> now what assets we deploy to get there after the fact to know that terrorists on at the mall. which assets are the best to have in the mall? >> we watched in paris when a policeman came to him god rest his soul one was assassinated them. when they came up on the terrorists with fully automatic weapons and backing up running away from them.

my whole point, i've been outspoken about new york city police department, we have effectively have the firepower to combat people coming in with real weaponry. in the malls a lot of people know, this threat is not a direct threat. so i don't want people to think they're coming to the mall of america. >> right. no, it is true. >> isn't it constitutional right people should be able to carry these guns? that hasn't changed. >> legally. >> it is our constitutional right. >> legally. >> kennedy you know what i'm thinking? i hope it doesn't happen. we seem to have these gun control debates when something horrific takes place. i hope it doesn't come to that. that something does take place. people say oh, we should have had gun laws loosened if we could have carried a gun could have taken the shooter down. >> that is really good point. much better to have the debate with everyone with a calm head. >> that is about anything. >> i already started teaching my my sons is 24. he can take care of himself. my daughter, when she goes out,

she is 11. to pay attention. >> mall of america when you and i go shopping terrorists come you want bo with his nine with him. >> i want my own. >> better to have it and not need it and need it and not have it. much of america is in a deep freeze here in new york. more snow expected to blow across the part of the country, making for dangerous travel conditions. latest forecast coming up. who could forget patrick swayze in "roadhouse." not the nypd apparently. it is reportedly using a clip from the 1989 movie as part of retraining for officers. better than "dirty dancing," people. could it do more harm than good? we'll debate. ♪

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♪ >> somebody gets in your face, and calls a [bleep]. i want you to be nice. >> okay. >> ask him to walk. be nice. if he won't walk walk him but be nice. if you can't walk him, one of the others will help you and you will both be nice.

i want you to remember that it's a job. it is nothing personal. >> this was for that knight e 1989 cult classic "road house." my man, patrick swayze. that is his name. he is telling all downers in the joint how to be nice and friendly with customers. all of sudden new york brass is telling their people with mandatory, three-day program $35 million, ordered the people to be nice and to kiss them after they put their little head lock on them. but you know what this all comes, stems out of the garner thing. it was head lock that came down. now they trivialized the dangers cops face. there is something that came up i'm really angry about. you have think tank idiots, sit around what can we tell the cops next? you tell the cops? you have experienced officers

with 20 plus years. you can't all of sudden close your eyes, take a deep breath having a confrontation. i would have been dead if that happened. right now what you have to do, you have to tactically train the cops in tactical stuff. you don't have cops there at 12:00 at night trying to tell them something. they're falling asleep. do manuevers. i do manuever. this is bo, you're taller than me, head lock down fight this. >> not choking but yeah, i couldn't get away. bring them down on head lock. >> release her. >> moye e my point is, most important thing people realize. we have professional department in the world. big bird de blasio saying these are a bunch of immature juvenile cops out there. these are professional. what we have to do, my thing i would do teach them tactical stuff, how to take guys down one. number two, get out into the communities. go to the schools. come on, kids. what is bothering you? i'm not a bogeyman. i'm out there to help you.

out there to save you. out there to take illegal guns. why do we need stop and frisk? to take illegal guns off the street. teach people what a cop is all about. cop is not a bad guy. he is out there to protect you and your family from getting killed. >> as you said, nypd are among the best and most courteous. >> taking their heart and soul out of them when you put them for three days. >> no knock to "road house" is from there, pain don't hurt. >> when you get angry you put a mitt in your mouth. when i put a mitt in my mouth as detective or copy wouldn't be there. >> worried about bad breath? >> supposed to calm you down. you have too many people with these scholarship degrees i got a degree from the street. doctorate from the street. i have no college stuff. i know people. it is all about knowing people. we had gang members, where i went up to gang members about, hey, guys, this is going to stop. you will not extort these stores because i will break your head open.

you have to communicate. >> deep breath. >> yeah. >> take a breath. >> you were doing that with me. i will tell everybody i volunteered for that. i made it out. but the reason why you wanted to show everybody i appreciate the demonstration because now i understand from the inside out, what you meant. what the difference is. >> i will say this i've been on fox talking about it. i've used that manuever dozens of times. i'm five foot eight. bring them down to the head lock. bring them on to the ground. if it was chokehold, like diaz somebody with a nightstick larynx. that is not a chokehold. by the big bird condemning whole police department over this, there is 22 million confrontations with police and public a year. there is one 10:00 of one percent there is any -- 1/10 1%. all interactions with the cops nothing is happening. stop making this police department look like it is the big, bad, bogeyman. >> makes them the actual target

not criminals. >> every time somebody gets locked up. he put a head lock on me. i put a head lock on him. >> how do police feel. >> i do. >> you talk to number of officers? do they feel waste of time and money. >> they're retraining. >> first of all not teaching them anything. they're not teaching them tactical stuff. i am for tactical stuff. two cops there, you could teach them all of sudden push them down. get them on the ground. if you have a big man, six foot five like garner -- >> did it right way. >> i don't think he did anything wrong. i will stand by it head lock i've used many times. if that was chokehold where they put the stick on guy's neck and choked him to death, so be it. that was a head lock. i keep insisting. >> you say that would be a crime? >> in the crime in a sense necessary force has to be used. that would be for a grand juryine. that is why we have grand jury. but for the police department to keep getting condemned. you have this disney world big

bird mayor not into reality what he does what he does with his son, fear the police. you don't fear the police. you recognize them. >> we're going overtime. >> you really picked up on that one. >> i think we have the best police force in the country. new york city cops are the best. >> so, pretend this is you. there is only one wedding photo of jeb bush and his wife columba. yes, only one. and it is all thanks to legendary rocker. well, kind of. you see, we'll tell you who is to blame for the photo fail, 41 years ago. >> i'm blown we went from -- ♪

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