on. she will analyze the dress. and how worried should flyers be this week. >> have a terrific weekend everybody. we'll be back on monday. he'll be here tomorrow. >> we might sleep here. connection between iran and al qaeda. new documents showing the terror group using tehran as a safe haven as the white house continues to push for a nuclear deal with the rogue nation. martha: i'm martha maccallum. it comes down to the raid on usama bin laden's come pound when the administration boasted it found a treasure trove in that compound. but what happened to all that stuff? apparently only 10% of it was ever investigated but it shows a

connection between iran and core al qaeda which is an interesting connection. bill: despite that the obama administration continues negotiations for a nuclear deal. ing what where we learning about this report, peter? >> reporter: it's not like they were found on a terrorist twitter feed or terrorist investigation. they were inside usama bin laden's house and it connects him to iran in a way we have not seen before. it features details about iran being a safe haven. it lays out the plans of a core al qaeda leader to travel to iran. sheikh yunis is ready to travel to iran.

the white house has been ignoring the threat from iran but next week when israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is here in d.c. people will hear all about that threat. bill: why are they still negotiating with iran if they know about the link? >> reporter: the latest word from the white house is the talks need to continue because they think that's that's what's best for our friend israel. >> it serves the interests of the united states and israel to resolve the concerns about iran's nuclear program diplomatically. >> reporter: lawmakers are anxious because they aren't being kept in the loop about what concessions with being made to keep tehran at the table. >> i think congress should weigh in and have a look at it.

>> reporter: the mystery about the negotiations comes amid confusion about how dangerous the world is. jim clapper said 2014 was the most dangerous year ever for terrorists but the top diplomat john kerry says things aren't as bad today as they have been in the past century. martha: we'll speak with steve hayes in a moment. bill: peter's point about bibi netanyahu. martha: new questions about whether the head of the irs misled a congressional committee and possible criminal activity

within his agency. the house oversight committee revealing 30,000 supposed lost emails that were said to be unrecoverable. what is going on here? republicans expressing frustration. >> if the irs takes four months to tell us something as important as we lost lois lerner's emails and we are doing our due diligence and we are doing everything we can do to get those. then when they make it public. in two weeks you got them. all you do is get in the car and drive to martinsburg west virginia, one state over, and get the tapes. martha: did john koskinen lie to congress? >> reporter: we expect it won't be long before koskinen is back to testify.

after these revelations came to light in a late-night hearing. republicans believe they have been misled by the irs. suspicions grew about whether somebody in the agency may have been trying to keep these backup tapes from ever seeing the light of day. >> we send a subpoena, we send letters, we have hearings. we hear excuse s from the irs they can't have them, they are recycled, they are destroyed. you find them in two weeks and thenwhen you go talk to the it people who are in charge of them they told you they were never asked for them? is that correct? >> that's correct. >> reporter: the democrats on the committee have their suspicions the republicans are on a fishing expedition.

>> originally there were reports there were 80,000 new lois lerner emails. but now you are saying the number is closer to 32,000. so can you explain how the number went from 80,000 to 32,000? >> it went from 80,000 to 32,000 because we removed diewch re -- removed duplicates. >> reporter: then he was asked how they know these others aren't duplicates and he said they don't know. bill: new gdp numbers are out showing the u.s. economy grew in the fourth quarter. stuart varney, host of varney

and company. good morning. they were expecting 2.1 they got 2.2. >> the expectations a irrelevant. this is an extremely disappointing drop. 5% growth in the summer and fall. and now we are down to 2.2%. that is an extraordinary drop. that was right before the christmas and holiday season when gas prices were falling more money in people's pockets and the economy slowed way way down. there is no breakout for six years in that very slow 2% rate of growth in the u.s. economy. worst economy in any recession since world war ii. bill: the fcc says it will classify the internet as a utility. >> in my right's and power grab.

this is the government taking control of the internet. as consumers if we decide what we want and what we'll pay for and decide what innovation on the internet we are prepared to accept. those days are over. in the future it will be a government bureaucrat, a lobbyist, a lawyer, a politician who makes the decisions on the internet. we'll have to ask permission from bureaucrats we'll have to ask permission from the government to make changes on the internet. we just polite politicized the internet and in my minds that's not a good thing. martha: a mass murder in southern missouri. nine people are said to have been killed, including the gunman. they believe they are dealing with four different crime scenes in texas county, missouri.

possibly six scenes are involved here as well. we are awaiting a news conference that will come up shortly on all of this to give us more details on what happened. mike tobin is here in our newsroom. >> what we are looking is information about a motive. we have a series of horrific crime scenes. don't let the names like the town of houston and texas county confuse you. possibly six crime scenes they say now stretching from texas county into a county called shannon. 9 people are dead according to sources including the shooter. we don't know if the shooter died of self-inflicted wounds at this stage. we don't know if it's a male or female. there is an indication that this could possibly touch into the

schools because the houston county school district was told to arrive early for counseling. as you think about how horrific it could be out there it could be even worse because there is a potential it could touch young freedom the information we are getting thus far. the authorities said they would have a press conference about now. they delayed that to 10:00 eastern. a series of horrific crime scenes. and total of 9 people dead, including the shooter. bill: we'll have that press conference coming up in 50 minutes. more questions about the white house trying to take down isis. >> the president needs maximum flexibility to adapt to the enemy and the environment. martha: the choppers were in the

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martha: we have a breaking news situation coming out of tyrone, missouri where as many as 8 people are dead at six different locations around the state. there is a news conference coming up where we expect to learn more. we'll bring you that when it's underway. >> why put limits on the use of a ground force when it's recognized as the only means to defeat isis. it may be necessary for a coalition ground tboars the united states likely in the lead to ultimately defeat isis. bill: retired four-star general jack keane saying the

president's war authorization to congress will not be enough to win. how do we beat them? >> the truth is we have to have a ground force to do it. we don't have a ground force partner in syria nor do we have an adequate plan to establish one. that's what i was trying to talk about to the members of the congress yesterday. bill: you are not making a case for american ground troops are you? or are you? >> the only way we'll be able to drive isis out of syria is establish no-fly zones and put together an arab and turkish coalition on the ground. i think they would ask to us lead that and participate in that. the president does not discuss this at all. the mission he's thinking about we are going to reclaim the territory lost in iraq but all

we'll do in syria is degrade isis and give the problem to the next administration. bill: all the areas marked in red is what isis controls up in iraq. this what else we have been using the past two weeks in the philippines and indonesia. these are your centers of concentration with affiliated activity. go back to the map of syria and iraq. if you don't have a strategy for syria what then? what happens? >> everything we are seeing isis do on a daily basis on the internet and television, that brutality will continue because that will stay a safe haven and sanctuary for them. but even despite the bombing they gained territory. the only way to stop isis is to

kill and capture them and take away their territory. that's got to be number one or this will continue for years unnecessarily so. these are not a 10-foot tall enemy we can deal with. they have relatively low-tech weapons. they are not a sizable army. we certainly have the capacity with the countries in the region and the united states to deal with this force and deal with it quite handily. bill: you say a president in times of war always needs maximum flexibility. i thought it was a fascinating point you made in your testimony. how would you work that in here, sir? >> the facts are that the authorization for military force should not have any strategy.

the administration should come forward before the aumf is passed. they should lay out this is the strategy we are asking our soldiers and troops. if we can accomplish it along the lines we have been discussing then i think it's a matter of con cleanse that they do not vote for the authorization for the use of military force. bill: you are saying don't vote for it in its present form. >> absolutely. martha: there is a new movement to honor american sniper chris kyle with the military's highest award. we'll speak lawmaker behind that

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benjamin netanyahu to speak. the biggest divide we have in this country is not between democrats and republicans it's between career politicians in washington and the american people. >> dream i'm ready for a country that puts tour constitution on the top shelf. for balancing our budget, for a fair taxation system that allows us to get rid of the irs. >> in america there is a reason why we celebrate the 4 thts of july and not april 15th. we celebrate our independence from the government. not for it. we'll take the fight to them and not wait for them to bring the fight to american soil for tour children and grandchildren.

martha: chris stirewalt watching these guys slug it out. a woman as well. carlie if icarlie fiorin marks the mix. i want to look at the crowd. one of them is chris christie. let's look ahead to jeb bush today. what was christie's story yesterday? >> reporter: christy * and bush opted instead of giving a bush, they opted to be interviewed. the new jersey governor has been out of step with the republican base.

he just took the opportunity to attack jeb bush and present himself as more conservative than jeb bush. but for bush the test is big and the strikes enormous. these are not just primary voters. if jeb bush can't convince them he's adequately conservative it will be a big problem. martha: who are the stars from yesterday? who made a mistake who stumbled? >> scott walker stood out and he also made a mistake. he's doing very well. but the crowd loved him. it was a packed house very enthusiastic. he made a comment about isis comparing that with what he had to clean up today.

he's shaping up to be to being the conservative alternative. it looks like walker may give him a run for his money. >> for rand paul in the past and for his dad cpac which has traditionally focused on economic liberty was a safe space for libertarian minded folks. new organizers and an influx of new blood has changed the game here somewhat, and the crowd is different. if rand paul can't deliver a win here this will call into question his strategy about uniting libertarians inside the republican party. martha: chris stirewalt, thank you. we'll see you later. bill: we are getting new details on a mass murder with multiple

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three separate residences, all located in tyrone, missouri. the apparent suspect a 36 male was found dead from an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound. another person apparently dead suffering from a heart attack. so that brings the total now to 9 dead in southern missouri stretching over two different counties. there is a police press conference in 28 minutes. we'll try to figure out how police are piecing together this story. 10:00 a.m. eastern time, we'll have it here on america's newsroom. martha: secretary of state john kerry and the director of national intelligence james clapper gave lawmakers completely different descriptions of the dangers

facing americans. >> we are actually living in a period of less daily threat to americans and the people in the world than normally. less deaths, less violent deaths today than through the last century. >> in my 55-plus years in the intelligence business i don't know a time more beset by challenges and crises around the world. martha: kelly ayotte was in that hearing with james clapper listening to him yesterday. senator, welcome. so john kerry is upholding a line of thinking and discussion that we have heard from the president, that the world is becoming more tolerant overall a more peaceful place. they said the globe is more tranquil and then you listen to clapper who basically has been saying the same thing these hearings for five years. >> he has been very consistent.

the other thing he said is 014 was the most lethal year for global terrorism. what we have is the administration either is totally disconnected from the intelligence community. but way suspect more is they are trying to spin what is a very bad situation around the world and trying to posit an alternative reality. during this state of the union the president said the shadow of crisis has passed. that's inconsistent with what we heard from director of intelligence clapper. martha: i think more important perhaps than the larger statement that john kerry is making about i gets's about statistics compared to world war ii and stalin, the more important thing i think is his assessment of how it's going on the ground. they seem to think we are getting the upper hand against

isis. >> that's not what director clapper said yesterday. he said isis is metastasizing and going into other areas other than iraq and syria which we have seen in libya. we were able to kill a former guantanamo detainee who was recruiting in afghanistan. and we have seen them inspiring attacks as well. martha: if you are not realistic and presenting a realistic picture to the american people. god forbid something happened here. how are they going to explain that given what they have been telling everyone? >> i think it's very problematic. the intelligence community will tell you what they know based on what information they received and things happening around the world. i think it's important the

american people understand it's a challenging time around the world. and we face situations where we had individuals traveling to isis from countries western countries, even some americans that have been joining in this fight. so this is a dangerous time around the world. we need to be more vigilant and more aggressive in fighting global terrorism. martha: if isis is growing and we are not getting the upper hand on regaining territory which seems to be the take of the military and intelligence out there then you have got the issue of the 100-plus americans who traveled to the region to train according to james clapper yesterday. what are we doing to pull pass ports and follow up on these people to figure out who they are? how is that intelligence evident going so we don't end up with someone coming back with a bomb blowing up an entire area and then we find out he was on a

watchlist. >> there is efforts underway to keep track of these americans. what worries my is many of these europeans who have gone and fought with isis, they are part of our visa waiver program. if they don't get on our watchlist they can travel to the united states and i think that's a type, deep concern. i'm not the only one concerned. people like dianne feinstein has expressed concern about this as well. >> it's one thing to express concern but is anyone doing anything about this to make shower our intelligence officials are doing evening they can to lobbied administration to adopt a policy that's more similar to what they are doing in london and parts of europe and england to pull people's pass ports? >> absolutely. many of us have been pushing the administration on this and pulling passports and getting things done for much longer than the last couple months.

then i think some of us were looking at legislation to bipartisan legislation on the visa waiver program because i think that's a huge vulnerability for us. but we need to do much more. it has to start at the top. we can't have the administration not being truthful or clear about what the reality is on the ground. martha: steve hayes has a piece in the "the weekly standard" that draws a tighter connection between al qaeda and iran. that that relationship is much cozier than people realize. if we are negotiating an agreement with iran, are we by proxy negotiating with al qaeda as part of that? >> one thing i can tell you the administration and these

negotiations haven't been addressed at all. iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world. director clearp confirmed their -- director clapper confirmed their activities in yemen. they are undermining our interests and they are developing icbm programs, missiles that are not being dealt with in these negotiations. many of us are concerned the administration is not negotiating a strong enough deal. martha: whether it's al qaeda or isis or iran, the thing they seem to have in common is they don't like us.

and benjamin netanyahu is getting cold shoulder. >> i wish they would be half at angry at iran as they have been at israel. bale back to the breaking -- bill: back to the breaking news. at least 8 people dead in an apparent shooting spree. mike tobin has been working for more information as well. martha: for something completely different, this was a nice break yesterday, watching the llamas run around. nobody got hurt. there was cowboy action. it was quite something to see. we are going to show you what happened

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southern missouri. we expect police to come out in 17 minutes. we don't know how or why at least 8 people were killed after a telephone call came in to police ear 10:15 -- around 10:15, 8:15 local time. what can we say at the moment? >> reporter: sadly we can say a little girl was involved. that initial call call to police came from a little girl who ran to a neighbor's house and called police. that's when deputies respond and found two dead in that first crime scene. we are waiting to hear the information that led to the additional crime scenes. in those additional crime scenes, three additional scenes they found five additional dead. this a survivor. one person was wound and taken

to a local hospital. given the condition of this person if he or she can communicate they should be able to get more details out of that individual. there is an elderly female from one of these crime scenes who appears to have died of natural cause. some are reporting the natural causes was a heart attack that could have been brought on by the excitement in the crime scenes but that's coming through unofficial sources. so we are waiting to hear from the police regarding what happened with that bizarre twist in the middle of all of this. we know the immediate threat is gone according to state police. they say the shooter turned a gun on himself after taking the car or truck into nearby shannon county and shot himself there. we are waiting on the additional information from the police in 15-20 minutes.

bill: it's possible the gunman was slain. >> reporter: that's what they are saying. the individual crossed over into a nearby county and was in his vehicle an was found shot there. we don't know a motive. there always lot of information that will come out. there was a juvenile girl who was in the house she knew the first victims we learned of and she ran to the neighbors. we know that somehow this is going to touch more kids because the local school in houston county told the faculty to arrive early for counseling. so this will reach into the schools and that's even indicator you will have more kids involved in this. when you have a lot of bullets flying around in what appear to be residences there is that chance. bill: 8 dead from gunshots and a

9th dead from natural causes. 14 minutes away. we'll take you live to southern missouri when it happens. martha: the picture that broke the internet. a wedding guest photo going viral. the world debates what is the color of that dress. do you know? do you care? what do you see? bill: a new movement to award an extraordinary honor to an extraordinary american. >> do you ever think you might have seen things or done some things over there that you wishing you hadn't? >> that's not me, no. >> what's not you? >> i was protecting my guys. they were trying to kill our soldiers and i'm willing to meet my creator and answer every shot that i took.

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bill: a beautiful day in sun city for a llama trot. well, i feel like we can watch this all day. a relative of the camel. it doesn't want to be caught. does not wanton caught. faster than human. bill: the helicopters were in the air. and boy oh boy was twitter on fire. llama drama on the streets of as. the llamas escaping a mobile petting zoo in in arizona. their taste of freedom was short lived. they were eventually caught and

returned to their petting zoo. just in time for shepherd's show to end. martha: the guy on the back of the pickup truck. he's trying to loop it on the llama's head. they are pretty strong what else i learned. i think they were look for better direction. they had somewhere they wanted to go. that's pretty good. bill: you consider the iraqis you were killing quote-unquote savages. >> the people i was kill, not just iraqis. the way they lived day to day as far as the violence they commit on american troops. the beheadings, the rape of innocent villagers and towns people they go into just to intimidate them.

they live give putting fear into other people's hearts. martha: chris kyle had a front row seat for all of that savagery. now there is a push to award chris kyle a medal of honor posthumously. texas congressman roger williams introduced a new bill to honor chris kyle. congressman, welcome. it's good have you here today. why do you think chris kyle deserves a medal of honor and is it unusual for the push for this to come from a congressman instead of the white house? >> i think chris kyle deserves the medal. you look at four tours volunteers four tours in iraq. countsless number of americans he saved. i think his actions certainly warrant it. i think it's a good way to tell

his family and our veterans currently in service and those that are retired that we appreciate their efforts and we love them. this not a lot of people in this administration trying to defend our military and i think this is an opportunity for to us say how much we appreciate and understand what he did and thank you for the lives that were saved. martha: when i think back on chris kyle's life and every moment he was protecting our soldiers and marines his life was in danger. you think of other people who received the medal of honour and the people they were able to save in combat and clearly he saved so many of our people in these combat situations. but do you ever foresee a moment where president obama will behanding the medal of -- will be handing the medal of honor to taya kyle? >> i pray it will happen. we have to begin the process as

we started yesterday to get our bill on the floor and get the house and senate to pass it. i can't imagine him not doing this. but i can't speak for him and i can't worry about that. we need to get the process going so we can honor chris kyle, his family and all our veterans out there. >> reporter: we spoke yesterday and the past couple days with marcus latrell who wrote "lone survivor." he received the navy cross. it was given to him by president george w. bush for his bravery in the war in afghanistan. that's the moment you wish for. >> that's the moment i wish for. i believe it will happen. it started yesterday to do the things to honor him and our military. martha: a lot of our viewers would agree with you. what should they do if they want to support what you are doing? >> they can certainly go on our

web sites and let us know they support what we are doing and talk to their fellow congressmen to get on board. and we need to hear from everybody. i think it's the right thing to do and i believe it will happen. martha: i know governor greg abbott has commemorated november 2 as chris kyle day. bill: there is a report the administration ignored a treasure trove of documents in the raid on the usama bin laden compound. one report claims jihadi john is the victim. we'll debate that point.

martha: we are await as police conference, a news conference from tyrone, missouri after a

shooting spree left nine people dead including gunman who is identified as 36-year-old man. investigators are dealing with at least four different crime scenes. this happened early this morning. police saying one person was injured. no word on the extent of those injuries that are besides that they have already found who have been killed in this situation. we'll get a lot more details on this when the news conference happens. we'll take you there. the obama administration reportedly sitting on a smoking gun seized directly from the compound of usama bin laden. shedding new light on the handling of the war on terror and how it relates to nuclear talks with iran. this is big stuff. brand new hour of "america's newsroom." i'm martha mack. bill: i'm bill hemmer. a bombshell report from the "weekly standard" claiming the white house is ignoring iran's direct proof to al qaeda and explaining why it is so concerned about prime minister netanyahu's speech on tuesday

before congress. martha: the link between iran and al qaeda discovered in a treasure trove of al qaeda documents the administration has been sitting on for years all as the white house seek as nuclear deal with iran. steve hayes, senior writer with the "weekly standard." he wrote this very exhaustive and fascinating piece. steve good to have you here this morning. >> thanks, martha. martha: i have a number of questions for you based on this first of all the president made it very clear he does not want netanyahu to speak here because of protocol elections and. you say not so. why? >> look at six years of history of obama administration and iran very they wanted to sort of extend a hand. that they were seeking some kind of a deal. that they wanted to extend warm relations to iran and nothing was going to get in their way and i think we've seen over the course of the administration whether in some case the administration's own

designations of al qaeda figure who is were working in iran, whether it is administration's own designations of iranian ministries that were aiding and abetting al qaeda figures working in iran. that the president just hasn't wanted to talk about that much. you had the bureaucrats sort of doing bureaucratic spade work. but rest of the administration, unwilling to talk about it. martha: we talked about the fact there were 10,000 documents uncovered during the bin laden raid. that was considered a big feather in the cap of the administration t would be this great treasure trove of intelligence. you report only 10% of the those documents were ever investigated. somebody there was told to stop digging. really? >> yes. absolutely. actually the number is more than a million documents depending on how you count them. more than a million documents recovered in this raid that killed usama bin laden. basically there was a initial scrub that the cia conducted that lasted several weeks. by all accounts it was very

productive. james clapper, the director of national intelligence said that initial scrub produced 400 intelligence reports which led to u.s. action around the globe targeting al qaeda. that initial scrub was great. it all stopped. the cia basically sat on the documents. they retained executive order. martha: why would they do that? >> because they didn't want to know what was in them. the obama administration didn't want to know what was in them. these documents have tremendous implications not only for our policy with respect to iran but for potentially our policy as it relates to our own allies. what were the brits doing in afghanistan? what about pakistani intelligence? how much of an overlap was there between pakistani intelligence and senior al qaeda leadership? it requires, once you have exposed these documents in al qaeda's own hand it requires the administration to act on them and president's argument all along has been the war on terror is ending. martha: is over. in terms of iran the president

has had what some would characterize as a cozy relationship with the supreme leader of iran. now, if they have a cozy relationship with al qaeda, that is something that he is not going to want to discuss because al qaeda is our clear enemy. he wants to make a deal with iran. he seems to think he is seeing into the soul of this supreme leader to some extent, no? >> the president made clear from very beginning of the administration he wanted quote, decouple nuclear talks on one hand from all other regime activities. that is why he turned a blind eye towards repression in iran and june 2009 elections after the mullahs fixed elections. one of the reasons we haven't heard any real discussion of iran and terrorism in any kind of a consistent way from the administration, in spite of fact, i think it is really important to point out, the treasury department, when it is doing these ding nations is making clear consistent unequivocal case there exist as

secret relationship between iran on one hand and al qaeda. so you have obama, bureaucrats in the obama administration being very clear about that relationship, and what it portends for the west. martha: no doubt benjamin netanyahu will want to still all of this when he speaks in front of congress. that is quite uncomfortable for the administration at this point. we have to leave it there. steve, i encourage everybody to read your piece in the "weekly standard" "weekly standard." thank you. bill: to breaking news in missouri. state police holding a press conference. seven deaths in addition to the gunman. >> can be forwarded to the texas county sheriff's department at 417-967-4165. or the missouri state highway patrol, troop g headquarters at 417-469-3121. like i said, this, this is very

preliminary in this investigation. we'll try to take some questions. i'm not going to tell you i will be able to answer them but i will do what i can. >> any word on the motive? >> none that we know of yet. >> how about the relationship of the elderly woman to the other victims in. >> we're not sure about that either. >> timeline, go slowly again, make sure we're getting everything correctly. the five total residences, first being with the 911 call where first two were found? >> that's correct. >> additional three, five bodies among those three? >> that is correct. >> and then -- >> one other injured person who was shot. >> one other injured person and elderly woman found on the floor? >> that's correct. >> so four residences total? >> there will be five residences total. >> okay. >> her's being the fifth. >> that's right because -- >> yes sir. we're currently working six

active scenes including the location in shannon county where the suspect was found deceased. >> and so the, elderly female is confirmed she died from natural causes, she is not a shooting victim. >> it appears she died from natural causes. >> are all of the victims gunshot victims? >> with yes, they are. >> there are seven victims, okay >> there are six, seven. isn't that terrible? lose count. but, no there was actually nine total victims here in this case. one of them being the shooter, the suspect. in this. the other one being the elderly woman and then seven victims of gunshot wounds.

>> do you know yet the relationship of the juvenile female who called to make the 911 call at the first residence do you know yet the relationship that juvenile has to the two victims found in the first household? >> no, i don't have any information that would confirm any of that other than she was at the residence at the time it started. >> if you're aware sir, the investigation going from here, what are you having to work through with texas county authorities and shannon county authorities? >> yes. we have, i believe we have seven investigators here with our division of drug and crime control. and, they are still working active crime sceneses in texas and the one in shannon county also. like i said we're assisting the texas county sheriff. >> we have word that that 36-year-old victim the one found in the car had a job at a

local cabinetry company perhaps, happened recently? con you confirm that? >> i can't confirm that. i don't have any independent information that would lead us to believe that. >> when do you believe the victims names might be released? >> we're working on that now. you know what? it's, in this situation, we try to contact everybody's next of kin. it would be terrible if we were released those names prematurely. so we want to be sure to get that done. hopefully later on today we may be able to do that. we will get them as soon as we can. >> sir i guess, kind of just tell me what are, as law enforcement officials where are you going to right now? how are you guys dealing with this personally? >> well it, you know what? that's, in our job we see a lot of bad stuff and this is bad. this is also hard on the police officers who are working there. it is not, it is not natural to

see that sort of thing and i'm sure they were as shocked as a lot of the people are in this room. >> this elderly female seems to be outlyer natural causes. does this say about the relationship tweep the victims or perhaps if the shooter was at her home at this point? >> if i told you anything i would be speculating and i'm not willing to do that. i'm sure there is some type of a relationship there but i'm not sure what it is. we will try to pin down that sort of stuff. like i said this is very preliminary. >> you are including her as a victim even though she -- >> i was including her as being deceased okay? she is, we're not calling her a victim at this time. >> okay. that's it? thank you all very much. we will, we will put get some stuff together and we'll try to give you some more information. bill: terrible news.

this is tyrone missouri. this is what we know, no motive given at time. no motive understood. don't know if the elderly woman is related to others now deceased. eight dead including the gunman from self-inflicted gunshot. the elderly woman apparently died from natural causes. we're working to see how that ties in. six active crime scenes in southern missouri stretching out over two different counties, including a neighboring county where the gunman was found inside of a vehicle with a self-inflicted gunshot. just to get a sense, of this story, when the state trooper there was trying to add up the victims and crime scenes, he stopped, said isn't that terrible, you lose count. tough story in southern missouri. back to that as we get more. some of the crime scene pictures some scenes we're getting for first time here on "america's newsroom." we'll bring you more information when we get it. martha: all right. as we wait for that, authorities say that they have identified

the man who has come to be known as "jihadi john" but one group says he is not to blame for his barbaric actions. instead he says it is the government's fault for turning a gentle man into a terrorist. we'll talk about that. plus this. >> the point, we capture and bring them to justice what does that do? isis is still doing its thing. it is very narrow approach. bill: parents of murdered journalist james foley speak out about "jihadi john." what they're saying about their son's terrorist killer today. martha: wisconsin governor scott walker taking some heat for comments that he made about union protesters. did he really compare them to terrorists? >> we need a leader with that kind of confidence. if i can take on 100,000 protesters i can do the same across the world. [applause]

martha: british organization is now defending the isis terrorists who we have come to know as "jihadi john," the brutal masked man who we have seen behead prisoners on video, now believed to be a kuwaiti-born, six years old, moved to london, according to these reports. his name is mohammed emwazi. despite a middle class upbringing, computer programing degree while attending university in u.k. activists claim emwazi was a gentle man who was alienated by his

government. >> you might be surprised to know that the mohammed i knew was extremely kind, extremely gentle extremely soft-spoken. was among the most humble young person that i knew. when are we going to finally learn when we treat people if they're outsiders. they will regularly feel like outsiders and look for belonging elsewhere. martha: we have to be nice to them. michael weiss author of this book, inside the army of terror. we saw you on first with bill o'reilly who recommended your book. >> thanks for having me on. martha: what do you make of this guy's statement? you know what, he was a nice kid and alienated by his country who can blame him for terrorism. >> he is not so gent tell and soft-spoken. in twist he stood in front of the u.s. embassy in london,

praising iraq and hezbollah on his war is israel. cage is pro-jihad propogandist organization. founder is a himself a guantanamo bay detainee. confessed al qaeda recruiters who turned informant to the u.s. government and ratted out other al qaeda operatives. he claimed he was tortured in guantanamo bay. there were several independent inquiries that repudiated. cage defends all manner of terrorists. one is doing6 years in prison for trying to murder u.s. officials in afghanistan. she was married to a key planner behind the 9/11 attacks. found guilty by jury of her peers, talking of which, she said the jurors to be genetically tested so they were not zion its. this is the cage type people

they stooge for. he was found out by british intelligence enroute to tans seia. cage and "jihadi john" claimed he was off to do safari. the brits beg to differ. he was off to somalia to join al-shabaab. martha: there were reports that brits tried to turn him to be informant or them which would not surprise you. there has to be level of, i don't know embarassment, they should have gotten him before he got out. when videos started to surface david cameron was one the first leaders, europeans followed, we'll start pulling passports. because they knew this who guy was and knew he was raised in london? >> look, i lived in london for three years. i covered radicalization of muslim population there. the problem with foreign fighters going off to war zones to do jihad. this is a huge crisis. one that the u.k. government doesn't really acknowledge to the full extent. do you remember abdulmutallab, the underpants bomber?

this guy much like "jihadi john" was enrolled in university in london got degree engineering. his father, a very wealthy man said my son is becoming radicalized. they did a panel to investigate radicalization of this boy on campus. there was no evidence nothing untoward taking place. he was the of islamic society, praising the 9/11 attacks. al-awlaki who we killed with drone strikes. martha: watch state department you know what we need to do is community outreach stuff. make sure people have jobs. they feel like they have a place in society that will begin to turn the tide. >> look all studies show there is no link between poverty and terrorism. by the way this is very condescending claim. poor people, you're going to be inclined and chop people's heads off? this man "jihadi john," according to "the guardian" newspaper which publish ad piece yesterday, one of the more sanguine atrocity hungry

terrorists in isis. he loves to take people's heads off. including syrian muslims. he is not a butcher of just of western hostages. he has been elevated to very high target status. i don't think he has operational control or command. he is not a high-ranking -- martha: he is star of the show. >> star of the show. martha: michael please come back. so much more to talk to you about. the book is called, "isis inside the army of terror." >> thanks for having me on. bill: last friday february winter hitting hard. drivers losing control. we'll take you there. growing number of republicans lining up for the white house, hoping to solve our country as problems. one columnist argues the country needs to elect captain america. what is that about? ♪

martha: we have some video from a dash-cam, a police dash-cam shows how dangerous icy roads can be. this happened in texas. watch this, white car slightly ahead of police cruiser, when the road curves and driver hit as patch of ice, loses control, spins out, barely misses two other vehicles. do not want to be driving that car. the driver was shaken up we understand but was not hurt. bill: take it slow. the group club for growth is holding its economic movie on freedom. political heavy hitters will be there including possible republican presidential candidates like jeb bush, marco rubio, ted cruz, and more. john roberts not running for office but live in palm beach with more. this all about. >> reporter: good morning to you. this is where a lot of big conservative money is this weekend, with all due respect to

cpac there are tens of millions of dollars in this room. it's a chance for members of the conservative club for growth to kick the tires if you will on possible presidential candidates of 2016. jeb bush was here last night hoping to convince 200 members in attendance that he is conservative, shrinking government creating 1.3 million jobs and vetoing $2 billion this spending. he didn't back down on support for common core, telling me in exclusive interview we need to address the huge opportunity gap here in america. how do you convince people you can be for common core and not be the enemy of conservatives. >> i am for higher standards. in florida we began that process. i think we should have a state-driven system. there should be no federal government involvement in any of stuff. i've been clear on this and consistent on this. >> reporter: the big problem the feds are already involved. how do you get them out of common core? bush was also steadfast in his support of top to down overhaul

of immigration system including a path to legal status for illegal immigrants. >> if i go beyond the consideration of runnings, i'm not backing down from something that is a core belief. i mean are we supposed to all cower because at the moment people are all upset about something? no way, no how. >> reporter: jeb bush got standing ovation bill, from people at club for growth. he will face much tougher audience when he addresses cpac this afternoon. bill: we'll watch both. palm beach florida. john roberts there. martha: scott walker fighting back against critics about a comment he made about protesters. we'll talk to the head of the rnc and about the wisconsin governor and rest of big big field clamoring attention at cpac. martha: bill: what color is this dress, martha? martha: that picture looks different. bill: it does? see blue, don't see white? dr. marc siegel how people

looking at very same thing could see something entirely different. do you believe this story? we'll answer that as well. ♪

martha: new reaction from the parents of the first american killed by isis terrorists after learning the identity of the butcher beheading the hostages. the parents of james foley say the government failed them during their son's long ordeal. chief correspondent jonathan hunt live on this in los angeles. the foleys argument that the silent approach does not work, jonathan. >> reporter: yeah, remember, martha, in a lot of these cases the u.s. government tells the parents of the hostage don't say anything, don't go to the media, don't reach out to the kidnappers yourselves. let us handle this.

we are doing everything we can. well the parents of james foley, who you see there just before he was beheaded by "jihadi john," believe that that might not be the right approach. that the parents should be better informed and should be allowed to do more. here is diane foley. >> our government needs to have a clearer policy and be more up front about what they can and can not do or will and will not do. we felt we were in the dark a lot. we were not really part of the team. >> now remember, the president obama has indeed ordered a review of u.s. policy over these hostage situations. no results of that review yet made public. martha. martha: what was their reaction to the unmasking, the announcing of the name of this man who we know as "jihadi john"? >> reporter: you know, an

emotional moment for the parents of all the hostages of course. we did hear parents of one of those hostages say they wouldn't be happy between the eyes of that man. john foley though took a very different approach. he said that it doesn't really matter what happens to "jihadi john" because there will be more who will follow him and do exactly the same kind of brutal things he has done. here is john foley. >> the point is, we capture and bring them to justice, what does that do? isis is still doing its thing. it is very narrow approach. only thing i will be happy with when isis is defeated. >> reporter: it is worth wrapping this up by remembering there is still at least one american hostage being held in syria. you see him there. austin tice. hears been missing since august 2012, martha. martha: have to find him and the foley parents are so eloquent in the mem remember of that son

speaking out about all of this. jonathan, thank you very much. >> sure. bill: a day of heavy hitters yesterday at cpac including wisconsin governor scott walker who came out denying he was comparing union protesters in wisconsin to terrorists when he said this. >> i want a commander-in-chief who will do everything in their power to insure that the threat from radical islamic terrorists do not wash up on american soil. if i can take on 100,000 protesters, i can do the same across the world. [applause] bill: that raised some eyebrows. reince priebus chairman. republican national committee. how are you, good morning, welcome back here to "america's newsroom." what did you think of that comment. does he have to defend it? >> no. you know, i think what it is really about is comment about being decisive about leadership and the fact that we don't have a decisive leader in the white house. even in difficult times i think what he has been saying i've

been decisive even in the face of a lot of difficult things happening in wisconsin. i think that is really what he is talking about. clearly this is another issue that the media is going off on instead of i think worrying more about the that hillary clinton is taking millions of dollars into a foundation while she is secretary of state from countries like oman, saudi arabia and algeria. there are more important tcings to analyze. bill: get to that in a moment. aide to governor walker on screen. governor walker believes our fight against sis is one of the most important issues our country faces. he was no way comparing any american citizen to isis. when faced with adversity he chooses strength and leadership. those are qualities we need to pick the leadership void this white house created end quote. he will talk to chris wallace on sunday. i imagine he will have more to say. >> sure. bill: you're saying, no big deal? >> no. i think what i'm saying is if you look at entire answer and you parse out one sentence and

try to claim that he is making a comparison to protesters in and isis i think is little ridiculous. >> you mentioned hillary clinton. so did carly fiorina often in fact. listen here. >> mrs. clinton, please, name an accomplishment. [applause] and in the meantime in the meantime, please accept and explain why we should accept that the millions and millions of dollars that have flowed into the clinton foundation from foreign governments do not represent a conflict of interest? [cheers and applause] bill: she went on. is this, has this been more about the republican party so far or has it been about secretary clinton? >> well i think it's a little of both. i think carly did a great job yesterday. you know, she asked an important

question. if you want to stump any liberal out there ask them to name one of hillary clinton's accomplishments. it is pretty hard to do. i don't know how hillary take as 3:00 a.m. call bill if she is the president and get as three a.m. call from some person that gave millions of dollars to the clinton foundation, how that doesn't compromise her position. i think that is much more serious issue to talk about than some of the things the media has been parsing around over the last few days from comments made by our candidates that really don't amount to a whole lot. bill: the state department is dismissing it. the fact that process was not followed, the incident does not raise concerns with us. what do you think about that reaction so far from the state department? >> well, look if you look at obama administration as a whole irs or eric holder now the state department, they don't think anything is a big deal. when you're compromising yourself as secretary of state, when you should be representing our country overseas, instead you're taking in millions of dollars, into your own private

foundation, i don't see how that is not a big deal. in fact i think that the media ought to demand before she actually files her registration papers for president, that she fully disclosed every single nickel that has come into the clinton foundation how the money got there, when it got there, who asked for the check and where the money is today. bill: are you charging today that she was just traveling to raise money? >> well you know who knows? it's a possibility because i know from, i've got to raise money for the republican party. money just doesn't flow in voluntarily many times. someone has to make the call. someone has to ask for the money. someone has to collect a check. give wiretaps fer information to a -- transfer information to person sending a check. there are a lot of people involved around fingerprints. i wouldn't be surprised if hillary's transcripts are all over it.

bill: we'll thank you for your time, reince priebus. >> thank you,. martha: hear them talking in the background. political heavyweights on the republican side are all at cpac but are any captain america? our next guest wants to know that question and he wants the person to take on a very big job. we'll talk to him coming up. bill: a police officer rushed to a hospital after taking one sip of ice tea at mcdonald's? what happened here? >> he had sweetened tea. filled it with sweet tea. looked kind of dark. took lid off, anything wrong with it. took a drink of it initial whole thing is burning. polident's unique micro clean formula works in just 3 minutes, killing 99.99% of odor causing bacteria. for a cleaner, fresher brighter denture everyday.

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sip. he felt a burning sensation. the manager said there should have been a cup over dispenser because it was being cleaned. his wife said the situation could have been avoided entirely. >> in your home do you clean your drinking containers with bleach or acid or anything? nobody does that when you're drinking out of that. so i don't even get that and why is it continuing to happen? >> an attorney saying the medical prognosis remains unclear but the man is still having problems with his throat. the franchise said this quote. serving my customers safe high quality food and beverages is a top priority at our restaurants. we take this claim very seriously and looking into the matter, end quote. >> this year's speaker list at cpac is full of political heavyweights considered possible presidential candidates. they're all clamoring to get their moment in this conference but a "wall street journal" op-ed deputy editor daniel henninger seems the gop is not

looking for a candidate but want a superhero. instead of offering a electorate offering a alternative to the status quo they look like they're obsessed with captain america. their captain america could be jeb, marco rand but mere landing the superhero will turn this country around. really? that is all it is growing to take? you outlined the job description for the next president of the united states and what that person will have to deal with in foreign policy it's a pretty tough description. >> it's a huge undertaking martha. look at the state of the world right now. in chaos in the middle east. vladmir putin taking over eastern ukraine. our allies in the pacific nervous about china'sing a expression. these are not normal times. i think the american electorate. voters do. i think viewers of this network understand that they would like a candidate who is able to project competence.

that competence at the highest level of world affairs. this is not a normal election. you are not just going to be able to walk in off the street and become president. and my concern with the republican process so far is that when people say i like scott walker or i like rand paw, they're giving impression, if they put this one person in the oval office he will have this magic cape and solve all the world's problems. the speeches we're getting so far at the cpac conference are not suggesting to me, at least, any kind of a level of substantive, competence and interest in what is going on in the world, that would allow these people to step up to the task at hand. martha: very interesting. i want to pull up another quote from your piece. so that i can share it with our viewers at home and it is in "the wall street journal" yesterday. it was published in "the wall street journal" you can get it online. the u.s. tried electing a rookie president and six years of amateur hour, it doesn't work and won't work again if the next president whether rookie or

former governor shows up oval office in 2017 not much more than victory cape and political pals. you make a great point dan we have not heard anyone up there present a thorough analysis of how he or she sees the dynamic that is going on in the world right now and what really needs to be done. >> well one person is speaking at cpac today is john bolton. i'm not suggesting john bolton should be president. john bolton got into this explicitly because he thinks we have to raise level of debate about the state of the world and press these candidates to commit themselves now, rather than simply giving, i love america speeches. if they get into the government, they're going to need about 100 of the best and brightest individuals to fill cabinet posts, deputy cabinet posts. they have to do it on day unwith martha. they will not have six months to figure it out after taking over the mess barack obama has left. martha: very interesting you say that because jeb bush put out

the names of people he has on his foreign policy advisory team already. good move? >> yeah. i think it is. i mean, love or hate jeb bush, i have to give him credit for putting out a list of people he is talking to on the chaos in the world. i would hope that some of these other candidates would do the same, to give us some sense of where they are going to take the country rather than just promising that their personality or the force of their politics is going to solve the really extraordinary problems that the country is going to face in january of 2017. martha: i wonder if given where we are in the world right now, as we get a little bit closer and the field winnow as little bit, if you might see this time people specifically naming this, is who i would want for my secretary of defense. who is mo who i would want for my secretary of state for example? >> probably the course of events is going to force that, considering the things that are going on with islamic state. arrest of these guys in

brooklyn "charlie hebdo." it is not going to stop. i think voters themselves are going to be demanding from these candidates some sense of how they're going to respond. and that will include, beginning to name some names that will come into the government. martha: potentially electing a team. >> a team. the a-team. martha: "the avengers," all the heroes together. >> thank you martha. bill: jenna lee coming up next on "happening now," 12 short minutes away. how are you? >> good morning, bill. intelligence gathered from bin laden's lair. knewly revealed documents further highlight a direct link between al qaeda and iran. what is the impact with the nuclear negotiations taking now. plus why defense attorneys want a second look at coroner's report in a las vegas shooting that killed a mother of four. lavish lifestyle of the rich and famous. we go inside the presidential suite of new york's waldorf astoria. even you can rent it out in case you need a place. bill: well-done.

thank you jenna. picture taking social media by storm. why people can not see eye-to-eye about the color of that dress. dr. marc siegel on the science behind the confusion. martha: orange? ♪ oh i'm on the cookie air diet. you just... and that's it. i prefer real food fruit, nuts, and whole grains. great grains cereal starts whole and stays whole.

more processed flakes look nothing like natural grains. let's get real.

♪ bill: there is a woman out of scotland setting social media on fire by asking, what would seem to be a simple question. what color is this dress? many people say it is white and gold, gold and white, including me. others argue it is blue and back black, black and blue. why are people seeing differently? dr. marc siegel, nyu langone

medical center. we're not being had here? >> it is not a hoax. absolutely scientific, before i get to the science, i want to say the real issue the headline is at each other's throat over this. another example of the divisiveness of our time. bill: hang on. who is at throats with each other? >> people don't want to be told they're not seeing reality. if you say to someone it is not gold and white, it is black and blue, then the person says, what do you mean? i'm not seeing reality properly? that -- bill: get to the why okay? on the screen now this we have image split three ways. what is in the middle what was posted on twitter, okay? apparently on the right where it is blue and black, that is what? >> that is what the dress actually looks like. i give away the answer. it is actually a blue dress blue and black. bill: stop. what is that on the far left? >> that the way people are seeing it the way the light is

hitting it. supposedly there is a blue light. your brain, here is the real issue. your brain take as mental snapshot of colors coming in. it make as decision, your brain or my brain make as decision, says, is that blue or is that gold? is that white or is that black? that decision is not always made on 100% perfect information. we can be fooled. we can be fooled into thinking that is gold and white dress. majority of people have that reaction. how are we fooled? basic biology from 7th grade. old rods and cones. we have 2% cones that look for color blue. as we get older, we don't see blue as well. we need amplifiers to see blue. we can be fooled by light coming in and miss blue and see it as something else. bill: are you saying background is different or the light, depending how it hits the dress is different? >> light depending how it hits the dress is different because the brain uses subtraction to

come up with a color. the brain says, all the light is coming in, the color is one that is not coming in. gets your blue by subtracting -- bill: remarkable difference from left to right. >> because people have different amounts of rods and cones in their retina, in their eyes. everybody is different. here's a great example of it. it is not a hoax. it is not an optical illusion. straight science based on lighting based on fact blue color is very difficult to see. bill: my dubious nature should be dot down is what you're saying? >> that gets to another reality. nobody wants to believe what is on internet. maybe we're right on that. we're fair and balanced. gold and white on one side, blue and black on other. i'm solving it. blue dress. bill: i haven't heard rods and cones since seventh grade either. >> i bet you got an a. bill: maybe not. thank you, marc. blew, whyte. >> what do you see ma the that.

martha: i think grayish and gold in middle. bill: i would go to grayish. martha: we got to go. i don't understand the whole controversy. we have story for bombshell discovery in the irs scandal. allegations that potential criminal activity is at play in the disappearance of low which is lerner's -- lois lerner's emails. were they lied to.

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bill: big debate here, right? martha: so it turns out that the one's far on the right of the three pictures is what the dress actually looks like. if you bought it on the internet, it looks like this which is clearly blue and black. but the one in the middle is the picture where it was tweeted where it's clearly gold and white. bill: our senior producer alan says if you put all three dresses -- he still sees blue and black on all three of them. do you see that? i don't see that. martha: they anticipate this dress selling out -- bill: what do you see when you

see three of those across? martha: they're all different colors. bill: white and gold on the left -- martha: the one on the right is cobalt blue and black. oh my goodness. bill: we've gotta go. ♪ ♪ jenna: a bombshell in the irs political targeting scandal, the deputy inspector general says they're now investigating potential criminal activity in the disappearance of those irs e-mails. hello, everybody, happy you're off to a great start i'm jenna lee. gregg: and i'm gregg jarrett in for jon scott, welcome to this hour of "happening now." last night the irs watchdog revealing at a house oversight hearing 32,000 e-mails from lois lerner had been discovered on backup tapes at an irs facility in west virginia. jenna:lier in is the former -- lerner is the form