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the center of this probe over the targeting of tea party groups. we don't know how many of the e-mails are in possession of congress through other sources. investigators also say irs employees never even asked to see those backup tapes even after the irs commissioner testified last june that there was no way to retrieve the e-mails. take a listen. >> i'm advised it was determined that it was dysfunctional and with experts no e-mails could be retrieved, was recycled and destroyed -- >> so was it physically destroyed? >> that's my understanding. jenna: what is going on here? it's a big question. doug mckelway's live in washington with more on this. doug? >> reporter: jenna, republicans on the committee feel really strongly that they have been misled by the irs or even lied to. congressional committees have subpoenaed the lerner e-mails, they're been told they didn't -- they've been told they didn't exist, that the hard drives were recycled or destroyed. suspicions only grew last night when a deputy inspector general

said they found the e-mails simply by asking for them. >> when you go talk to the i.t. people who are there in charge of them, they told you that they were never even asked for them? is that correct? >> that's correct. >> there potentially even -- are there potentially each more tapes? >> we believe there may be that we just earned of two -- learned of two weeks ago. >> are you investigating any potential criminal activitiesome. >> yes sir. >> for potential criminal activity? >> yes. >> reporter: democrats accuse the inspector general of a partisan investigation by frequently meeting only with republican staff. >> mr. george, as you sit here today this evening are you aware that your ig handbook says igs should awe void any appearance of part -- avoid any appearance of partisanship? >> suffice it to say, i don't control the attendees of

meetings. >> reporter: that prompted republican trey gowdy to remind democrats of their own partisanship problem. >> we have a doj lawyer who contributed the maximum to the president, and that's who's supposed to be investigating. >> reporter: deputy ig also told the committee he believes some of these tapes were erased his implication was they were intentionally erased but he added further investigation is needed to confirm that suspicion. jenna? jenna: and so it continues doug. thank you very much. a few minutes from now, we're going to delve deeper with our political panel. one guest says this scandal could get even worse. gregg? gregg: well, the latest details now on the showdown up on capitol hill. we are hours away from a deadline to fund the department of homeland security, and now fox news is learning that house lawmakers are considering a stopgap funding measure that would prevent, in effect an

imminent partial shutdown of the agency when the clock strikes midnight. but there is no indication that democrats would ever support another temporary solution. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel live on capitol hill with more. what's the latest from the senate side? >> reporter: well, gregg, just moments ago the senate passed a procedural vote 68-33 to fund the department of homeland security through september. here's how the top leaders in the senate set the stage. >> this morning the senate will complete work on a bill to completely fund the k. of homeland security, and then we'll turn to senator collins' bill to common sense legislation that would protect our democracy from the egregious example of executive overreach we saw in november. it actually, in my view deserves broad support. >> how many times can we narrowly avert catastrophe just so republicans get a gold star from the radical pundits? they need to do the right thing pass the senate's clean bill and pass it today and quickly.

>> reporter: so the senate's doing a two-step approach; they're funding homeland security first and then a reference to the collins bill which is to push back on president obama's immigration executive action. senator reid's frustration is not with senator mcconnell and senate republicans it's with house republicans gregg. gregg: well let's go now across the rotunda from the senate side to the house side. they're moving forward with a different plan. what's the latest there? >> reporter: that's right. they just passed a procedural vote in terms of funding the homeland security department for just three weeks. now, that would avoid a shutdown and avoid the immediate crisis. it would also buy some time to allow lawmakers to watch how this process in federal court prays out -- plays out going after president obama's executive action. democrats strongly oppose the three week approach arguing the department of homeland security needs more certainty than that. some republicans don't love the plan either believing there

won't be a different outcome in three weeks. but at this point it is moving along in the house of representatives. we expect some speeches from democrats strongly protesting this approach, but bottom line both the house and senate are taking different approaches, and this, of course, is deadline day, gregg. gregg: it sure is. mike emanuel on capitol hill, thanks. jenna: new coalition airstrikes continuing to slam isis strongholds both in and around syria. coalition airstrikes helping kurdish ground forces in their attack to retake ground from extremists who have been abducting others. the number of presumed christian hostages has risen over the past few days suggesting anywhere from 200 to 400 may be in the hands of terrorists. with all the latest on this john heady is live in our mideast bureau. >> reporter: what's distressing is there's been no word from any of those men,

women and children that isis militants abducted. the number i'm getting is more than 250 but as you mentioned it could be much higher than that. first, i want to take a look at this new video being released by the pentagon showing coalition airstrikes. so far during the past 48 hours military officials say more than two dozen airstrikes have been carried out in both syria and iraq on isis fighting positions on artillery and also on ground forces. kurdish troops have made significant gains in northern and northeastern syria. cobanny is a great example -- kobani is a great example taking back that very important town along the turkish border in syria. but in northeastern syria isis still has a strong foothold, so a lot more has to be done there. in iraq, take a look. there's new video also being released that we're getting showing isis militants knocking down artifacts at a museum in mosul that date back thousands

of years. they knock 'em over and then smash 'em to pieces using mallets and sledgehammers. by the way, experts say that those relics are worth billions of dollars but obviously, worth so much more, the cost of human lives being taken by isis. as i mentioned, there's been no word from those hundreds of men women and children that isis militants abducted early monday morning when they stormed into villages and towns in northeastern syria including an area where there's continued to be a lot of fighting going on. now, i talked to one of my contacts who's in charge of syrian human rights group, says that he's been talking to people who managed to escape including one woman who says that these people have been split up. the men have been taken to a mountous part -- mountainous part of the region. they don't know their condition. this woman told my contact that she spoke, she called her

brother's cell phone and that a man answered and when she asked where her brother was, he said she was, quote-unquote gone. the obvious concern is if some of these people have been killed, we don't know that, but again, we have not heard anything from these hundreds of men, women and children. jenna? jenna: heartbreaking right now as we have to just wait and wait for news. john, a story we'll continue to watch. thank you have. gregg: and continuing the coverage of our top story about the latest on the growing scandal within the irs. 32,000 e-mails from lois lerner suddenly discovered in the investigation of political targeting. so did the irs commissioner or others lie to congress? our political panel is here to weigh in. plus soon after trying to escape authorities suspects had to be rescued by them. the full story is next.

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gregg: as we mentioned earlier the irs watchdog now looking into potential criminal activity at the agency as 32,000 e-mails from lois lerner are found at a backup facility in west virginia. the watchdog says employees didn't even make an effort to retrieve the e-mails. this discovery coming despite the irs commissioner testifying those e-mails cannot be found. let's bring in a.b. stoddard, associate editor and columnist for the hill. charlie hurt columnist for the washington times. a.b., the irs was directed with a subpoena by congress to go look at these backup tapes to locate them. irs said, ah, they don't exist and we did look. now we find out last night they didn't even bother to look. how serious is this? >> well it's very serious because finally you hear an admission from government officials, from the treasury, the treasury ig saying there could be potential criminal activity here. this is the news.

has the irs stonewalled? we've known that for a very long time. have they not found electronic correspondence we knew was available to the government? we know this kind of thing just captured three men in brooklyn who were trying to join the i ooh sis fight. we -- isis fight. what's news here and it is significant is the fact that we have the treasury ig saying, you know, this is potentially a criminal activity, and there'll be a criminal investigation. gregg: you know charlie, the inspector general said there is potential criminal activity here, that's a quote. but they can't prosecute. they have to turn it over to the department of justice. the trouble is the department of justice was in on this thing allegedly meeting with lois lerner ahead of time to talk about specifically prosecuting tax-exempt conservative groups. >> yeah. well, you know it's the old adage, gregg that, you know, the cover-up is worse than the crime, and it appears that what

we have here is a very very very extensive and, as you point out, very coordinated cover-up. but the original claim itself was pretty highly egregious and so i, you know, it was a year ago we were sitting around talking about this, and we were saying man it can't get any worse, can it? this is so pad. and yet -- this is so bad. and yet here we are still talking about it, and the details getting seedier and seedier. and i would suspect over the next year and a half as i imagine the partisanship in washington gets even more and more arched that this is going to get very very nasty. gregg: you know, a.b. the department of justice was meeting with lois lerner before any of this broke to talk about prosecuting these tax-exempt conservative groups, and yet they're the only ones who seem so far to be charged with investigating any criminal activity. isn't that a blatant conflict of

interest compounded by the fact that the doj appointed an obama political donor to head up the investigation? >> well, i mean, there -- yes, the conflict of interest is real. how much this entire investigation at the irs has been something that the administration has hoped would disappear, fast and furious benghazi and everything else and the crisis of the threat of isis would just be drowned out in the background. once you're talking about criminal activity, i do believe because you have a new attorney general coming in, loretta lynch will be under pressure, if she is, to oversee this investigation, and i don't think now that you're talking about criminal activity it's going to be stonewalled much more. gregg: you know it has to bother americans, i would think, that amid all of this we learn that lois lerner got $129,000 worth of bonuses and yet she

continues to clam up, invoking the fifth. >> pretty good deal. gregg: president was asked famously about corruption at the irs a year ago february, and he said there's no corruption at the irs. he then went on to blame fox news. charlie? >> yeah. well, you know, i feel like what we have seen over the last couple of years and the blame rests directly at the white house. this this hyperpartisanship that perhaps both sides have contributed to but the white house has gone to great lengths to politicize so much that it has historically been off limits for that kind of partisanship that, you know, it's sort of hard to feel sorry for this crowd that they're finding themselves in this sort of dilemma. and i think a.b. is exactly right, that, you know, they really have been hoping that with all the confusion, all the smoke and hysteria about all these other scandals that thiess some of them will -- these

scandals that at least some of them will fall by the wayside. i imagine some of them will. i imagine some people will get away with stuff here -- gregg: right. >> but it looks increasingly unlikely that lois lerner and anybody at the irs will get away with much. gregg: well that's obstruction of justice -- >> oh, we would go to jail. gregg: and if you lie about it to congress that's percentage. we'll wait and see. good to see you both. jenna: well, a dangerous power play for one of america's enemies. who iran says this missile was meant for and the impact it could have on the upcoming nuclear talks. speaking of that, this is a familiar scene. we see from bin laden's lair new documents show specifics on plots to kill more americans. we explore one revelation, al-qaeda's connection to tehran, next.

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more. gregg: right now holding its final day of military drills today and testing out some new and very dangerous toys. that missile test launched by the revolutionary guard's navy meant for its enemy as one naval chief called them "the great satan," the united states. this comes just days before the final round of nuke talks are set to take place. national security correspondent jennifer griffin is live from the pentagon with more. hi jennifer. >> reporter: well, the pentagon is aware that iran has been carrying out these three days of live-fire exercises near the strait of hormuz, but officials here are not taking them very seriously. they're being viewed as an attention-getting show of force ahead of the march deadline for a deal to limit iran's nuclear

program. today iran's official news agency released video of the supposed missile test being launched from underwater. iran's naval chief called it a new strategic weapon quote: the new weapon will have a decisive role in adding our naval power in confronting threats particularly by the great satan, the united states. as part of the large scale exercise, the iranian navy fired on and attempted to sink a mock-up of an american aircraft carrier. one-fifth of the world's oil passes through the strait of hormuz each day where these exercises are taking place. as talks with the west over the nuclear program hit a key moment, iran appears to be signaling to its domestic population that it will still continue fighting the west even if its leaders compromise and sign a deal with the quote great satan. but u.s. commentators including "the new york times"' david brooks, a staunch supporter of the administration, warn the deal is too weak. quote: limits on iran's ballistic missiles, no

resolution of iran's weaponizing activities, monitoring and enforcement would rely on an inspection regime that has been stiff but leaky. >> secretary of the united states our p5+1 partners would not be investing as much time and energy as we are in pursuit of a nuclear deal if we didn't belief this was an -- believe this was an existential threat, absolutely. >> reporter: iran is carrying out drills at the bushehr nuclear plant those start today. gregg: jennifer griffin, thanks. jenna: as we just heard all of this is coming as new bin laden documents are declassified that reportedly show al-qaeda's alleged ties with tehran. they were collected within minutes after the world's most wanted terrorist was killed in his compound in pakistan. steve hayes has been closely following this and had new reaction earlier today on "america's newsroom". >> the president has made clear from the very beginning of his

administration that he wanted to quote, decouple the nuclear talks with iran on the one hand from all other regime activities. it's one of the reasons we haven't heard any real constitution of iran and terrorism in any kind of a consistent way from the administration. i think it's really important to point out the treasury department is making a clear and consistent and unequivocal case that there exists a secret relationship between iran on the one hand and al-qaeda. jenna: a relationship that perhaps is not so secret anymore. a senior ed story at the long-- editor at the longmore journal, tom, these are the documents released in court this week. i've been looking through it pretty carefully and i just want to work through with you what they say so our viewers can understand how specific they are. there's references to external work that al-qaeda's doing

external work, and the first reference is in iran. why is that? >> well external work or external operations are their attacks in the west or elsewhere around the world. there are regional emirs in charge of specific countries. both in the west and elsewhere. jenna: so there's individual names here that i'm not familiar with, and they talk about him being in iran. of he has six to eight brothers to choose from. it dose on to say in the letter his plan is to stay around three months in iran to train the brothers there then start moving them and distributes them in the world for their missions and specialties. >> this is sheikh euniceal mare tanny, he was a top al-qaeda operative and, in fact, he was in charge of planning an attack in 2010 that was thwarted by european intelligence officials that wanted to replicate mumbai-style attacks in several cities, and his operatives were moving through iran over and over again and actually received

safe haven in iran after the plot was thwarted. jenna: al-qaeda presumably could use a lot of different countries as a safe haven that could be sympathetic to them. why iran? why is iran being used? >> well iran is safe for them in some ways because in pakistan the americans have an intelligence presence. parts of the pakistani blood pressurement cooperate with us, other apartments don't. jenna: there's those that say, wait a minute, iran is shia al-qaeda is sunni they don't get along, so there's no merit in this. to that, what do you say? >> well, you know, iran and al-qaeda have a lot of common enemies, including us, and there's definitely points of tension between them, antagonistic episodes between them, in fact they're at each other's throats in syria and yemen and elsewhere. but they still have a deal, and that allows them to cooperate against us and the against the west. jenna: it was interesting reading that these are letters informing bin laden of activity but also asking

permission. talk to us about that part and what this shows us about his role in these operations. >> well, you know, in the passage you highlighted there, what does it say? eunice is waiting for bin laden's permission -- jenna: right. wewe are awaiting from you the last confirmation, if possible. >> bin laden is making a lot of decisions. he's, in fact, very much in the game at the time of his death, still manager of the international network. this directly contradicts what the white house put out that said he was somebody who had been sidelined. jenna: okay. so bin laden is now dead a question moving forward about al-qaeda what it look like now -- looks like now, but also our relationship with iran. so let's bring the story full circle because these iranian nuclear negotiations are happening right now. what do you think these papers illuminate about the negotiations that we should consider? >> well, i think iran still allows certain al-qaeda operatives to use their soil for

operationings. in fact -- operationings. in fact the state the president has routinely recognized that since 2011. even as they're opposed to each other in certain ways and as the u.s. is trying to bring iran into the world community iran still has this deal with al-qaeda and that says a lot about the assumption behind the negotiations which is that president obama thinks he can have an alliance with iran against their common enemies. the answer to that is, no iran has an alliance with their common friends against us. jenna: tom, great to have you on the program, as always. gregg? gregg: potential republican presidential hopefuls gathering at cpac again today, and some of them facing some pretty tough questions -- not from reporters, but attendees. our media panel is here to weigh in. ♪ they lived. ♪ they lived. ♪ they lived. ♪

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republican or fellow conservative, they're going to get softball questions, but if you listen to talk radio, laura, rush limbaugh, sean hannity they're tougher on republicans than some liberal journalists. so it doesn't always work out that way. look, on the other hand, i don't think that conservative journalists or talk radio people have to prove their bona fides to the left. yes, they ought to be holding republicans accountable to the promises they made. an awful lot of conservatives think they're not living up to those promises that delivered them both houses of congress again in the last election. gregg: judith might conservative questioners actually do damage to moderates for example, and i hate to say this, jeb bush because a lot of people don't consider him moderate, thus doing more harm than good because a moderate might be more electable in

aelection? >> well, i have to agree with cal. i think the conservatives have been interviewing fellow conservatives and, yes, i do consider jeb bush to be rather conservative given his record as governor of florida. but the conservatives are proving themselves to be just as tough-minded if not more so than mainstream or liberal journalists, and i think that they have an advantage in that unlike liberal journalists who if they really question hard the audience would be very much on the candidate's side, i think now you have a kind of equal playing field where laura ingraham sean hannity, hugh hugh wit, these people have also con stuff went sayses and people will -- constituencies and people will support them to be as tough as they can be with

the people who might lead this country. i think it's a very good development and one that i don't think the republican conservatives expected. gregg: yeah, moderate v. conservative i suppose that's a sliding scale, and it depends who you're comparing it with and against. >> yes. gregg: our second topic, attorney general eric holder will be granting exit interviews and has to several major news outlets. one network holder is refusing to talk to is fox news. the channel's executive vice president says the attorney general's decision does a deep disservice to america's large cable news audience and the interest of a free press. cal, what about that? is this because holder just doesn't want to be held accountable or some other reason? >> well, i think this administration, obviously, from their comments over and over again hates fox news. they barely tolerate the white house reporter from this network, and i think the fox executive is absolutely right. why would he not come on the

number one cable network in the country? even president obama has come on this network interviewed by bill to ruly. the only reason i can -- bill o'reilly. the only reason i can think of is he doesn't want to be held accountable for his numerous statements at the heart of the ferguson business and trayvon martin, and yet he has not -- after a separate investigation -- decided to pursue federal civil rights violations charges in either of these cases. so there was a lot of political posturing, but when push came to shove, he didn't follow through. i don't think he wantses to be asked about those things, and that's why he's not coming on fox. gregg: judith holder targeted james rosen seizing e-mails and records -- >> absolutely. gregg: just two weeks ago for goodness sakes, he lashed out at fox news for talking about islamic terrorism as islamic. so there's no surprise here that he's not going to talk to fox.

>> no. in fact, home and garden network, i'm surprised hgtv he didn't speak to them rather than fox. at least eric holder, for the moment, is just ignoring fox rather than attacking it the way the rest of the administration did for so long until they figured out it was backfiring. look this attorney general does not want to answer questions about why he targeted illegally james rosen our colleague here. he does not want to account for the fact that despite the fact that the president has promised the most transparent and open administration his justice department had been more secretive and has gone after leakers and journalists more so than any other attorney general. and the fact he, his office actually told fox news that it was the political arm of the justice department that made the decision not to grant the network an interview. now, what is the political arm of the justice department, and

why does it even have one? gregg: yeah. it's not supposed to be a political organization. >> right. gregg: obviously, chief law enforcement officer of the united states. it's really mind-boggling sometimes. >> well, one more quick point. actually, it was appropriate for him to go on home and garden television, because this administration has spread around so much bs as fertilizer, i think it was the right network for him. [laughter] gregg: there's another word for that. >> it's a family network. gregg: all right. cal thomas judith miller, good to see you both. >> thanks. >> nice to see you, gregg. jenna: how a gun residue test could actually help a suspect. we have developments on that. plus, it's been a top secret home away from home for presidents. we're taking a look inside the presidential suite at the waldorf-astoria.

♪ ♪ jenna: well, the plot thickens in the las vegas road rage case resulting in the death of 44-year-old tammy meyers, a mother. and that's part of what this case might be about. the defense team for the 19-year-old accused of killing meyers is asking for a gunshot residue test on her body.

they want to determine if tammy meyers or someone next to her fired a gun before she died. the results reportedly supporting a self-defense argument for the 19-year-old suspect. here's a twist that we just learned, that they're not going to allow the test because the body has already been released to the family heather so it can't be done. what do you think the impact is of that? >> it could have a huge impact, jenna. what happens in cases like this when evidence is ruined by one party or the other the other side -- hoar the defense -- can ask for what's called an adverse inference. the jury will ultimately be instructed that this evidence would have hurt the prosecution's side and helped the defense side. so here it may actually even be better that this test was never done for the defense because

done or not, they can argue that the evidence would have been helpful to them. jenna: interesting. let me ask john with your experience in criminal defense law, do you agree with heather on that? this could actually be helpful to the defense because they can't do the testsome. >> well, i'm going to tell you that i'm going to respectfully disagree. i think they're going to need to show that tammy meyers may have been under the influence of drugs. that was the whole purpose of issuing the subpoenas to determine what her toxicology levels were. if this now-evidence is destroyed, they could file for dismissal of the charges on a motion to dismiss the evidence based on destruction of exculpatory evidence. the reality is the judge may not grant that, but again, it's a point for the defense, and it's something that they're going to use in this case. jenna: so plain language, how significant do you think it is john, to this case as of today? >> well, first of all, the gunshot residue i think, is very important also. i think they need to determine whether or not the shots came from the car. if that happened, that would be

actually more important than a coroner's report but both are equally as important. jenna: heather one of the reasons we shouldn't call this a road rage case is we don't actually know if that is the case. this story continues to turn and turn and turn. there is a point of dispute though, for this 19-year-old suspect. according to his attorneys when police talked to him inside the home before they arrested him, the police knew that he was smoking marijuana. and the lawyer's argument is well, they should have stopped him from doing that and anything that he told the police at that time on the phone should be thrown out. what do you think about that? >> i think, again, the defense is really coming on strong here, and they have a strong argument. it's one thing if the defendant has been smoking marijuana and the police don't know about it but here they're actually alleging smoking marijuana, they knew about it and they encouraged it. if the defense is able to support that contention and the judge buys it, there is a good chance that that confession -- and we don't know that it was a confession, but that's sort of what i'm inferring here -- that that information will be thrown out. it's surprising to me, jenna

that in a case that has been so questionable from the very beginning and a kid who doesn't seem to have a lot of support that such great attorneys have put such a strong defense on from day one. jenna: interesting. and you're right, as we get the pictures of both of these families -- especially for this 19-year-old -- we're not saying it to be sympathetic john, but there's a big question again about what actually happened. as far as hard e6d one of the pieces of hard evidence we have are some casing around his home. his home not the minor's home. there's also casings there, but there's a big question about who fired shots and where. why is that relevant to this case? >> well, i think it's relevant to this case because it shows who the initial aggressor was. but i think the ther question is why didn't tammy meyers are when she went home why did she get her son and her gun, why didn't she just call the police? if she did she may be alive today. that is a lesson we all learn

let law enforcement handle these types of matters so these types of results don't happen. jenna: and a quick final thought, heather. apparently the 19-year-old suspect went to friends and was talking about that he got the better i'm paraphrasing, of these kids that were following him. and that raises the question apparently in court, about whether or not both parties knew who each other were. we're assuming that, but what do you think those statements mean? do you think that was premeditated by him, to throw people off, or do you think perhaps he didn't know who was in the car? >> i think there's just as good a likelihood that he didn't know who was in the car, but i don't know how important that's going to be. in any case witnesses' renditions of the facts are not as important as the forensics. here it's going to come down to what those casings outside his home meant, outside her home meant and if they're going to be able to put forward this argument of self-defense. jenna: it's a very bizarre story. again, the story that we told initially, not the right story we're learning, and it's a good lesson as far as that. heather and john, thank you so much. >> thank you, jenna.

gregg: well, been the temporary home to kings and queens in hollywood roil -- and hollywood royalty, but even some of them were not privileged to stay in one part of the waldorf as store ya. we're going to take you on a tour of the presidential suite. >> the president sleeps. am i allowed to lay down on the bed? [laughter] just kind of wanted to see what this whole thing was like. s this is pretty comfortable i'm not going to lie.

jenna: well, it's a hotel known for its lavishness and rich history as well the waldorf-astoria with. the park avenue hotel reopened as it stands today back in 1933 after the wall street -- 1931 after the wall street crash two years earlier. with a special vacancy kept open for, mainly, just one person. so let's bust open the doors, i'm about to take you on a tour of the presidential suite at the

waldorf-astoria. ♪ jenna: the famed waldorf-astoria is rich in history. you may not know since 1931 every u.s. president has stayed at the waldorf, most of them in one particular suite. we're on the 35th floor of the towers at the waldorf-astoria the presidential suite is right around the corner. and i have the key. ♪ ♪ jenna: every president that's stayed here, or almost every president that has stayed here, has left behind something to mark their time in the waldorf. what can you tell us about that? >> the presidential gift, there was a history from hoover. hoover introduced the hotel in a weekly radio address, lived here for 32 years from '32-'64 after he left the white house. really started that tradition of hosting presidents and started that gift-giving tradition. jenna: now, this rocking chair is from jfk? >> right. jenna: am i allowed to sit?

it sits next to a desk from president eisenhower in a room lit by sconces given by president nixon. but apparently, there are a few missing links in this tradition. we do not have a gift from president clinton president george w. bush or president obama. >> that's correct. jenna: so something we need to work on. >> well if you can make that happen, that'd be great. [laughter] jenna: i really want to see where the president sleeps. am i allowed to lay down on this bed? is that okay? i mean, can i check out the pillows? >> absolutely. this is a 1:00 show, right? jenna: that's right. just wanted to see what this whole thing was like. this is pretty comfortable, i'm not gonna lie. [laughter] >> there's a little bit of personalization that we would do for other clients who stay with us frequently. monogrammed elements such as the pillow cases and the bathrobes -- jenna: so that would be specific towards the president. >> that's correct. although again, i want to stress we do it for others. jenna: i want to know if a president comes and gets a

monogrammed robe, are they then allowed to take the robe with them unlike other hotel guests who are not supposed to take the robe home? >> words hurt. we're not trying to hang onto all robes. [laughter] i'd be less than honest if i told you whether i even know. no, i don't think we're doing an inventory. jenna: how much does it cost. i'm, obviously, not a president -- >> right. jenna: but i am allowed to rent out this suite. >> yes. jenna: what would it cost me? >> in general terms, $4,000 -- jenna: wait, for what? >> for a night right. so that's a per-night fee which within the hotel new york market is a very approachable rate for the most pristine of suites. jenna: that was such a good answer. [laughter] >> i believe it. it's easy -- yes, earnestness is always key. jenna: that's right. [laughter] now, does the president pay $4,000 a night of taxpayer money from the waldorf?

>> the first part of the answer is i can't talk about what individuals pay, but i would submit that the american taxpayer would be comfortable with the fiduciary approach that our administration takes on the room rate. they know that we're lucky to have them. it generates a lot of the other anchor countries that want to stay with us -- jenna: so you're saying there's a discount. >> there is -- close relationships require a close scrutiny of the rate i guess i would put it that way. jenna: excellent. so we've shown you the hidden treasures of the presidential suite, but now i have to show you the secret exit. for security reasons we're not allowed to show you exactly how we got here but the steps off our journey takes us far below the waldorf. it's a little quiet and a little chilly down here, but this is track 61. when the president is staying at the waldorf-astoria, it's reported that a train comes onto these tracks and is waiting here just in case the president has to get out of town real quick. i tried to get confirmation on

that. you'll see that on our 1:00 hour about what we really know about the tracks there underneath the waldorf. gregg: so in about an hour. track 61. jenna: track 61. gregg: i get on that on the metro north every day. jenna: apparently when you leave grand central, if you look just enough, you'll be able to see these tracks. gregg: really? i'm going to go search for them this amp. jenna: so $4,000, do you think it's worth it, gregg? gregg: you know, i think that was the total cost of my college education, you know? $4,000. of course, that was long ago. [laughter] i'm surprised it wasn't sort of grander and larger. jenna: you know, it can open up to include more rooms. i will say that. gregg: yes. jenna: but i had the same reaction. it's a beautiful room, but it doesn't look particularly different than some other suites. gregg: that you've stayed in. jenna: right, exactly. it's beautiful. gregg: what's the bathroom like? jenna: the bathroom is -- we didn't show you the bathroom because it's just sort of --

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