secrets of the waldorf in about on hour. stay tuned for that. >> "outnumbered" starts right now. >> this is "outnumbered." here with us today is harris host of money with melissa francis, jedediah is back and today the fox business network charles pane and he is "outnumbered." you are the most of making money. >> i am. and i have been making people lots of money. >> you have. not me though. >> i like it. what are the bulldogs? >> these are my sterling

bulldogs. back off, ladies. >> they will run away like they always do. >> don't chew on my leg. >> according to fox and friends that is america's third favorite dog. you are number one favorite dog today. more fallout over the mixed message that the isis poses to the homeland and around the world. james clapper gave a different assessment than secretary of state john kerry on the growing threat. clapper declaring 2014 the deadliest year for terrorism. we questioned carry's claim about being as safe as possible. >> how can secretary john kerry make the claim we are safer than

before? >> we can do so with the evidence on his side. what i think he was discussing is the success our military campaign has had in applying pressure. >> earlier the messages were slammed and she suggests playing politics with the truth. >> i think the administration is totally disconnected from the intelligence community but what i suspect more is they are trying to spin a bad situation and put it in a positive reality. let's not forget the president said the shadow of crises has passed during his state of the union but that is different than what clapper is saying and what we know on the ground. >> is the administration that

dis disconnected from intelligence are they playing politics or is this mutually exclusive? >> clapper is doing this job but the others are playing the spin game. john kerry came out saying the weather is the biggest thing. it might be one degree warmer a hundred years from now is the real threat. that doesn't matter if president obama continues to campaign. this is a threat to the american public. you cannot keep downplaying and apologizing. you have to be honest. >> and cheese burgers were a big threat last week. harris if josh earnest is telling the media there is in tell that john kerry can use to backup what he is saying why doesn't he put it out there? >> i think they may be

underestimating the american people and thinking we believe two oppositional truths can be one truth. senator john kerry says we are better off but then you have the 50 years of experience comment clapper saying he hasn't seen it this bad. >> i am surprised they let ed henry back into the white house. earnest said they reduced isis to reduce the rein of territory but that is not true. it is dang to mislead the american public. >> even if they are saying we are safer than we have been the american people don't feel that

way. shouldn't they be doing something to go out there and comfort them and say we have this? >> they are worried about their legacy. and national security is a part of that. they think we are dummies and they think if half of them say things are better the american people will sit down and say the administration is saying things are better so i guess they are. but the problem is they cannot get any two people within the administration to get on the same page even on that. that is why when you ask people if we want to be involved and talk about boots on the ground or arming this or that group people are hesitant because they know who is running the show. >> when i work on campaigns or on capital hill if someone in the organization was saying something different than i was as press secretary it makes the entire operation look weak.

and this happens over and over again with this administration and on the most serious issues like the national security. >> running a campaign isn't actually governing. i don't like the idea that obama surrounds himself with these people but clapper is stepping away being honest with the american people. people in america are more receptive to boots on the ground. they look at the wide swaths of land isis controls in libya and syria. they have the equivalent of a couple states and capitals within their own swath. they have a goal to make their mark on the world. and they are only a few hundred miles from italy. are you kidding me? this is a major threat. >> 72 hours ago they picked up brooklyn rezsidentresidents who were

going to syria and raging war on our police and even the president when he returns. i don't know what secretary carry is looking at. might he want to rephrase what his own people are telling him? very interesting. family members of the victims of jihad john are speaking out. the butcher believed to killed their loved ones is unmasked but british authorities are not commenting officially on his idea. the parents of james foley say the united states government didn't do enough to save their son. >> the point is we capture, bring them to justice and what does it do? isis is still doing the thing. it is very narrow. the only thing i am happy with is when isis is defeated so the next jihad john is on the way.

>> and our journalist can go out in the field and be valued and we are respected and our government treats us with honesty and transparency. >> we are hearing from the family of american journalist steven as well with them saying they are relieved to know who the suspect is but they that is the first step. >> we want them to be convicted and spend the rest of his life in isolation. that is american justice and how the country deals with this. >> specificity there but the family wants more. what would that look like? >> i think foley's family laid it out good. there will also be more jihad johns, particularly when you say all they need as a job. we need a clear strategy to crush them. why aren't we crushing them and

bringing them to justice? i tip my hat to that family. the poise they showed. i felt like crying. they are in pain but also in pain because their government let them down. >> and they are saying they were in the dark the whole process. when you have a federal government silencing these parents saying don't worry about it don't get involved don't go to the media, we have this. and then you never see your child again you have to understand their pain. you could make an argument saying we don't want to negotiate with terrorist and i agree. but families will do anything and everything to get their children back. >> one of the things the family goes on to say is talk about the media and say the media should have kept their loved ones in the headline more. it is tough when why don't have

new information. in the case of katie mular we were agreeing it might compromise her safety. now we can report on the gaps. they got intell to go get her but there was a gap on when they went ahead and went in. >> and getting the media involved is to put pressure on the administration to do something. as the mother of two sons i cannot imagine being dependent on the obama administration to bring my child home safely. i feel like i would raise all of the money in the world and race over which isn't what you are supposed to do. it would be so painful sitting in the united states. >> we were hearing professors call this an action of freedom

of the press walking out. when our journalist are in dangerous situations abroad it is an extension of freedom of the press. what do you think? >> i think that is a tough debate. it is heart breaking watching the families. you feel for them. and an american citizen was beheaded, their son and the president went out to golf. they have to be hurting. that would be the real sting. but to hear the administration and not going after the media just because of how they are handling isis but to say if we just gave them job and they view this as a nation building activity -- i think when you look at jihad john the one doing the beheading, he was wealthy and had a number of

degrees. i think on so many levels you have to be frustrated if you have a parent and that family. you are saying this administration profoundly doesn't get it. >> i would add that on the job issues and this is the one they chose. they have other options many in this country don't have. >> bin laden was a multi-millionare. new developments in the irs targeting scandal with thousands of lois lerner's e-mails believed to have been lost were found on backups right where they were supposed to be. and now new questions over whether lawmakers were misled by somebody at the agency or were they lying? will anybody be held accountable for this and adrian peterson is allowed to return to the

sprinkle after winning his appeal for being suspended for beating his son with a switch. is he allowed back on the field, though? we will talk about it. appdrian peterson vickskings

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>> the irs targeting scandal is more intense and lawmakers are revealing late last night that 32,,000 e-mails belonging to lois lerner were found on backup tapes. she was at the scandal targeting the republican groups. this comes in direct conflict of the testimony saying the tapes had been destroyed. lawmakers found out irs employees had not asked computer technicians for the tapes as they were directed. >> we sent subpoenas, letters, we have hearing, we hear excuses from the irs -- they cannot have them, they are recycled they have been destrioyed -- you find them in two week and when you

talk to the it people in charge of them they told you they were never even asked for them. is that correct? >> that is correct. >> so that is it. right there. you listen to that. we have conflicting testimony under oath. someone lied. are they lying now or lying then? does anything come of this? you are laughing because nothing is going to come from this. >> we should not be laughing. it is a serious matter. if you talk to the groups they have spent hundreds of thousands on legal fees to fight the irs which is a loosing battle. the irs is a scary organization. the fear that was put into them -- >> i am terrified now to exercise my right -- >> so, i mean we are laughing because it is so ridiculous. what is more concerning melissa, is even though they have been lying to us about the targeting and no one believes

them and lois lerner gets a permanent vacation it is shameful the republicans are making this more about politics >> they want to focus on who is doing the investigation rather than the investigation. i will say this -- you have been vindicat vindicat vindicated. here is what we do for you: we give you a system that archives all e-mail content and reduces the risk of non-complyiancenon-compliance, go them. they found the e-mails. >> e-mails never disappear. we know that. we learned the hard way. >> we all learned the hard way. the administration is distained for congress and they don't congress seriously or the american public seriously. we have a short attention span

so getting out amazing great news is important and then revise it. they know it is past the news cycle and they take advantage of it. >> this is an issue the republicans and democrats should have been united on. it should have been important to find answers to both of them. no body loves the irs. people are disgusted and want answers. instead republicans had the battle the democrats. why don't the democrats care about the potential abuse in the irs? >> they lose the white house in 2016 they will care. >> if they are targeting any groups it should be appalling and they should be battling that. >> what is melissa's real name? >> i am not telling. >> chris christie is coming out swinging at the 2016 opponent and the media. always our fault. listen to what he says about

questions on the low poll numbers and can he reverse the slide in momentum? and is hilary clinton trying to go human talking about her hord hoarding? is she just like us? >> just like us.

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republican delegation he is one of them. rand paul marco rubio, and texas governor rick perry is there as well. scott walker talk today a standing-only room and chris christie has been struggling in the polls. christie sat down with conservative tack show host and took swings at the other candidates and the media for publishing articles about the governor that don't favor him. >> when you do things like i did of taking out the special interest groups they want to kill you. that is what they do. here is the bad news. here i am. i am standing and going to continue to do it. i wake up knowing how to fight were the people of my state. and i don't care what they write in the new york times. they can keep it. i don't subscribe by the way

>> and when asked about where all of this momentum may have gone the governor had this answer: >> you are low in a bunch of polls. how do you overcome that? >> is the election next week? i don't know. >> this is interesting to me. you have to love chris christie. he doesn't care. he is not a favorite of a lot of conservatives. they have questions on gun control and respect to obama. some feel the in your face approach may not work outside of new york or new jersey. but when it comes to polling it is really early. he has time to pick up the momentum if he takes the stand and convinces the republicans. >> what doesn't typically work in candidate's favor is blaming the media. i understand why he is doing it because he knows conservatives are deeply distrustful of the

fourth estate i should say. so that is why he is doing it. she is saying look they have been unfair however conservatives still have that hug. and conservatives also remember him going on fallon and doing but kissing to media. he sucked up to them and lot and hollywood and all of those things have the conservatives saying you did this to yourself. >> what about the issue, charles, of blaming the media? i always say have an answer to questions versus blaming the media. show up and have something to say no matter what the question is and you will leave them with their mouth open >> i am with you hundred percent. i am tired of vote for me because the other guy sucks. i want to know what you bring to the table. it has been the lesser of the evils. the pitch isn't what i can or

will do for you it is what the other person can't or won't do for you. here is the problem with the hug. it was petty. it felt like he was involved with the mitt romney and maybe not picked for vp and he sabotaged a chance for the republicans to take the white house at the last mont and a lot of republicans will not forgive him. >> and you talk about seeing what you can do oppose to the other guy. we talked about how the next guy is captain america and going to be left with quite a job. the president has to be able to confront a world in chaos and rebuild chatshattered alliances and manage with a budget that is drained and restore public faith. it is a tough job and you have to look like a super hero to get out there and do it. >> you know you have to c-pack going on.

conservatives are excited. scott walker is emerging as a strong guy. they want a reformer. do you think the likes of jeb bush, they will be able to convince conservatives they should be given a shot? >> it is really early. i think at this point if you have a good platform and delivery system for your messaging you should be okay to make your point. a couple things hit me. remember the republican convention where he spoke? to build a coalition you are talking about, to be captain america, you have to be able to build a team and i don't know -- there is just questions about chris christie's ability to be a team player. he talked about himself for much of the speech. and then there is this polling and i was looking trying to figure out the exact sourcing because i know we had it on the problem.

59% of people in new jersey who don't think that chris christie would take a good president. and they love him as governor and he has done what he said he is going to do with lowering taxes. and i am still looking and forgive me for thought having it on the tip of my tongue but i know we had it on "outnumbered" before. butt i think it show as lot. >> it is very difficult, harris. it is absolutely hard to be elected in a blue state. chris christie had to be a different republicans and i think they need to be sympathetic or they will never win in blue states. i think it goes back to a lot of the things he did that hug and people are worried about him running. >> news is breaking into news alert. fox news as confirmed that actor

leonard nimoy died at the age of 83 in his home in los angeles. his wife confirmed that a short time ago. we did know he was at the end stage of copd. you often hear of prescriptive drugs people are learning about with this disease. a year ago he said he had it and he had fully developed symptoms of that. of course, he announced that last year and everybody was hopeful. let's talk about it just a minute on couch. we all have our own memories of him. >> the show was ground breaking.

you don't want to be the one going down to the planet with captain kirk. i say live long and prosper. i am a big fan of his >> and he ocpied -- occupied a unique place in america. i have small kids who go back and watch it and can't believe these were the effects that does dazzled us. it is part of a show that will live on forever. quite a passing today. >> such a legend. when you're part of a show look this and a phenomenal actor i think younger generations can look at it and have appreciationappreciation appreciation. i think generations to come will look back at this. >> somewhere my big brother dean

is weeping into his hands. >> you did it. let's do it together. >> long live. >> live long and prosper. we can do the handle signal. leonard nimoy dead at the age of 83. we will miss him. stay close.

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look who is back as we welcome you back. star runningback, adrian peterson won his appeal and is allowed to return to the vikings. he was suspended after whipping his 4-year-old son with a wooden stick. the vikings have a big decision

to make. do they reinstate peterson or let him go? peterson is owed $15 million and the team has to fork it over they tell him to walk. that is a lot of money. >> that is a lot. but remember they gave a press conference and all of their logos were oregon.gone. there is a lot more that could be lost. they will have to huddle up with the community. the pictures are horrific. i think peterson should get a chance to play. he has five or six kids floating around. he steps into the kids' life once or twice a year and whips the kids.

i believe in corporal punishment with limits. but i think the athletes with these opportunities and the story never changes. so we will see what happens. you know lying to the public a lot of people in the stadium -- do you think, harris he should be able to play again? >> i agree with charles in the sense they huddle up and think about this. because the damage when you saw the wiping away of the logo that $15 million might be small next to the endorsements they could chance loosing. if they do reinstate him they need to come out with a statement on how they would like to make a change. either going through counseling -- i think they have to come out stronger even in the nfl, because those communities where you have a football team it is personal. you see them at the grocery store. he is owed $50 million and we want him to walk with a football

in his hand. >> they did the campaign about domestic violence and then it would feel not genuine if they put him back. i was disturbed by people saying this is how he was raised. i was hit as a child but i don't hit my own children. you don't have to raise kids the way you were raised. >> it seemed pretty excessive. i was spanked but -- >> his behavior was disgraceful. i think this would be an great opportunity to not think about money. i don't think that is going to happen. but i think you are right, harris, a lot of people are not going to be okay with him playing if they don't handle this. >> or they will huddle up and not put him on the field. it looks like former secretary of state hilary clinton is taking a new approach ahead of a possible 2016 campaign.

some might call it more human... >> i don't throw anything away. i am two steps short of a hoarder. when charlotte, my grand daughter was born on feb 26 2014, i have to confess i was overwhelmed. i have lots of friend who got to grand parenthood before i did. you can tell i am not doing fit bit. >> hoarder? >> i don't think that comes with a shocker because wasn't furniture missing from the white house. >> she is going for the palin effect or bill clinton effect where she wants to resinate. she is dull, and not passionate in her presentation and i don't

see her as someone firing up a crowd. but that tells me she knows her weakness and that is important. >> i have to come to you because no one does clinton like you. i don't know if it fits here but i love it >> i like hoarders too. i like to hoard things but it isn't personal items. i am not go there. >> i don't think it is that great -- >> i love it. >> hilary clinton is not likable. that is her problem. she is trying as hard as she can, god bless her, but she is not a likable individual. when you are in the presence of clinton, w, or president obama -- they have you in the palm of your hand when you are there. >> and bill literally has you in the palm of his hand.

>> and whether you like her politics her not this is always the stumbling block for hilary clinton when she runs and that is she is not charming. >> she is likable enough. >> and she is trying to prove she is one of us with respect to the hundred million we made. >> she might be more like you. >> she might be. but i hoard and that is why i have mansions. honestly, she has a real serious threat by elizabeth warren who is coming across more genuine and is more dangerous. the likeability part i think melissa hit it right on the head and these efforts across as not being genuine. >> i think she is trying to seem likable and approachable but the biggest issue is not her being a hoarder but a liar.

>> when you talk about the reports of the clinton foundation and taking $500,000. >> wow. >> when we hear crime alert it is typical to hear the character's race and gender. so you can find them. but one university is not going to use vague racial descriptions to track down criminals but is this political correctness putting students in danger? we will talk about it.

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university of minnesota nouncing they will no longer use vague racial descriptions to identify suspects on crime alerts. the university officials say that is because they may unintentionally reinforce stereotypes of black men and other minorities. they will only use suspect descriptions that will help identify specific individuals. one sheriff blasted the move on fox and friends. >> if i were a parent looking for a university to send my child to i would scratch that university off the list because

campus safety isn't a priority. we want to narrow the pool of people might approach and more information is always better than less information. >> to me andrea, that sounds like common sense. not even the law enforcement expert experts needs to know. >> they say they will only use it when it reasonbly help them catch the criminal. are they suppose to play a game? we don't have time for this. a human being with a beating heart >> pretty soon you will not be able to say the gender. a person may have done something at campus building a. >> hair color? eye color?

is that going to discriminate? i am white. that is part of my description. if you are spect suspected of a crime this university is announcing they care more about political correctness. >> it isn't surprising this is a university setting. you send your kid to college to get exposed to the most liberal situation. i went to harvard and it is like how did that not change you? >> you have chances to figure out the real name and -- >> i think this is going to make

the lasso larger. i think it will result in more misapprehensions and picking out the wrong people. >> i had a stalker when i was younger. not on a college campus. he was african-american. he threatened to kill me broke into my home and got close to do that. if they had not had a be on the lookout for him i might not be silt citizening here. the facts -- sitting -- are what they are. hair techxture. the way the body is shaped. anything you can get to find someone who does harm. i do breaking news and looking for people all of the time. are we going to have people missing and not gave their details? >> only if it is a lama. >> in a blue and white dress. >> they were black and white

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snp >> i don't want somebody else's stuff in my head. >> i do have the solution. virtual reality. it was going to be big. it is coming out big time. every company is coming out with the things and you are going to be in the beach when you need to be at the beach and doing a lot of other things, too. >> you will not be getting tanned. and you can do a lot of other things. an degreea. >> if there is not a tiki bar and spray tan and sand. i was not there or in florida with the faulkners. >> that's sure. >> i think they used our family beach photo. >> yeah. no, i am trying to teach my kids to get away from digital devices and live in the moment and treasure those experiences so we

have something common. our value system intertwined. and how can i do that if we don't take the vacation. >> you want my vacation memories. >> are you kidding me? >> and the person who is saying this is a therottical ph ysist. and maybe a bit of a nerd and doesn't have anybody to go on vacation with. >> i work on vacation. >> i don't do a lot of vacation. >> that is not good for your health. >> and we need the mi ta is. and a lot of bull doing fans liking your cuffs. >> and there you g. it was fun to be be here. it is fantastic. >> join us on the fox business network by the way. go to fox business. charles payne 6 o'clock.

>> we are back on monday noon eastern for the tv version of us. live long and prosper. and we'll miss you. and "happening now" starts now. fox news alert. crunch time on capitol hill, law makers working to reach a compromise and fund the department of the homeland security. >> and will a deal actually get done? >> the past few minutes, the house abruptly went out of session. one gop aide telling fox news we need more time. >> it is a who's who of big name conservatives and several presidential contenders will be on the scene. and fox news is there for a exclusive look of how the economy will play in the 2016 game plan. >> and plus a police officer reacts to his dash cam and the