eady out of the hospital. jenna: wow, that seems miraculous. that is less than 12 hours when they have been shot. jon: can't keep a good man down. jenna: ferguson, that story is not over. we'll see you back here in an hour. jon: "outnumbered" starts now. >> we begin with a fox news alert in ferguson, missouri where a manhunt is underway after two police officers were shot late last night just outside of the police station. this is "outnumbered." i'm harris faulkner. here today, andrea tantaros, host of "kennedy" on our sister network fox business, kennedy herself. kirsten powers is back. glad to see her. today's #oneluckyguy also from fbn. host of lou tonsdobbs tonight -- "lou dobbs tonight," and lou dobbs himself and he is outnumbered. we have busy day. let's get to it right now. it began as a relatively peaceful demonstration a quiet night. it has been a very fluid 24

hours t was just yesterday ferguson's police chief resigned in the wakes of two justice department reports one clearing officer darren wilson in shooting death of michael brown. the other finding widespread and routine racial bias in the city's court system and police department. but around midnight a protest turned violent. here is cell phone video when the shots were fired. [gunfire] >> ah! [bleep]. >> oh. >> [bleep]. >> many firms say, it was a blessing a miracle that those two police officers were not killed. now the latest both officers reportedly have just been released from the hospital. mike tobin is following the story for us. mike? >> reporter: well, harris the latest scene here is six blocks away from the location of the shooting.

if you look at the house behind me you can see some wood on the roof. that is what the police officers and tactical teams broke away from a vent going into the attic. what we watched them do, is take a camera on a stick and put it in the hole they created with the vent in the attic looking for someone they thought might be hiding inside. neighbors say the tactical team showed up about 5:00 a.m. they exited the house at one point with two men in handcuffs, one woman in handcuffs. that is not confirmed by police sources. police are only saying this is a scene that is directly involved in the investigation of the shooting of those two police officers. now st. louis county police chief jon belmar says this is a situation that keeps getting more difficult to handle. >> this is another layer that makes it very difficult for our police officers out there to deal with. i hope people understand that because it's a very tricky line for us to be able to walk. >> reporter: and harris you touched on the good news that both police officers have now been discharged from the

hospital despite very serious nature of their wounds. the 41-year-old officer from the st. louis county police department was shot in his right shoulder. the bullet exited out his back. that 32-year-old officer from webster grove was shot around the cheek and the bullet is still in his head. harris, back to you. >> mike tobin with very latest in ferguson missouri. mike, thank you very much. we'll bring it out to the couch now. lou, i will start with you. what is going on here in ferguson, missouri, is not happening in a vacuum. i mentioned resignations in the police department and previous statements by attorney general arick holder looking at dismantling that department. your thoughts? >> plainly there are some forces at work here so many people who deserve considerable blame for fomenting an environment like this in which this could occur. chief among those in my opinion are the president of the united states and the attorney general and the way which they handled this community's crisis.

we have seen far more charges and denigration from, originating from the justice department itself, rather than support and help. the community services division of the department of justice should have been doing far more. this president should have been talking far more postively and doing concrete work to improve the lot of this community that has been devastated economically. the work has not even begun. >> what is interesting about what you say and i mentioned the dismantling potential that holder said he was prepared to do that with the police department, and you wonder if that played a role, you knew you would have recurring protests and people showing up thinking there won't be as many police. you don't really know what is going through their mind. kirsten, i want to ask, you heard lou talk about that. >> i don't think this is anything to do with the president and eric holder. this is tragedy that happened.

police officers got shot before barack obama got in the white house. there is stretch to say this is their fault. there are a lot of problems with this police department. i don't agree necessarily with the position white house took in terms of the police officer who clearly was trying to defend himself but this is a police department that i think has a lot of problems. >> you know, andrea, i want to talk to you how best you deal with that. rudy giuliani this morning was on fox news, he said there are businesses can't even get insurance right now. they have had to open and close so much they're in a danger zone. those officers were there protecting those businesses so people could open today and have jobs for the community have goods for the community. >> harris, wants to criticize them further. can only find denigration for that department. the justice department attorney general, the reason i blame the

president and attorney general foremost, kirsten, is because of the type and style of leadership. these are men and women doing hard work. and -- >> are you willing to acknowledge bad things they did? i didn't only say deserve denigration. >> what are some of the bad things? what did they do? >> for the racial emails. there are stories that weren't even in the report of, there was one man who was picked up an like beaten and then charged for, you know, the clothes that he bloodied. there are things this police department have done are programmatic. to point them out is not to denigrate every single police officer. >> no, but the administration felt like they had to do something. you did say that cops get shot all the time. it is not a coincidence that last night -- >> i didn't say cops get shot all the time. >> you said it is not uncommon. >> unfortunately police officers do get shot. >> let me finish, last night, the police chief resigned. this was on the heels of the

report that the department of justice put out. the department of justice has been inflaming this as lou points out for a long time. they couldn't bring charges bense darren wilson because the physical evidence of darren wilson's testimony corroborated and matched up. so they had to do something because they intervened and they flamed the racial tensions. and eric holder has proven, time and again, he is attorney general for the criminal, by the criminal and of the criminals in the united states of america. and it is way he handles immigration as well. they have taken this country back 50 years in terms of race relations. >> -- shot before barack obama. >> you think it is coincidence got shot last night, kirsten. >> i'm asking you a question. how do you explain -- >> it was random occurrence. >> you answer my question. >> i answer where youyour question you answer mine. how do you explain police officers have been shot before barack obama was president. >> this -- >> you can't prove that andrea.

police chief said somebody came in not part of the community and was not, was not part of -- >> that is what it has become. it has become a magnet for people -- >> barack obama for this murder is attempted murders i think is outrageous. >> to be clear if i -- >> may i get here at some point? i know you're busy. >> i like to correct it. what i said chief among those i believe who deserve blame are the attorney general and president. would you like me to go through the list. >> kennedy, i would love to ask you about something. you mentioned going back in time. what about the next few hours? these have been recurring protests. another one tonight. >> this situation is so fluid and so critical and really difficult for police officers to do their jobs when they are doing it from a defensive position. this is such a tough time in history to be a cop. i'm happy my brother retired from the force of the having said that, ferguson has not been a virtuous place. it is not like cops are all saints and people there are all

horrible. it has been a pretty miserable place. it has been a hard place to get a job and raise a family. once you get caught in the criminal justice system, which is why you're seeing a huge push for criminal just sis reform from the right. once you're in that system it is almost impossible to get out. that is why people are frustrated. we have to speak to the frustration on both sides. sometimes, as communities like that are a magnet for intense cops who can come in and really ruin entire department. >> that is salient point you say about calls for reforming justice, how we deal with law enforcement. being bipartisan. everybody wants us to get this right. this is fomenting at this point. people who are suffering, real people suffering outside of police officers and those caught up in crowds as bullets fly are the people who have to live every day. they want their kids to go to school. they want normality in their lives. they want dreams they had before this whole thing happened. get on the record what happened in the beginning because i don't think we talked about that michael brown was caught on video at a convenience store

robbing and beating the mess out of the owner okay? then sought-after by police. go. >> strong-arm strong-arm robbery. which is ignored by the left. and the left activists. we have, picture of grammys people with hands up, don't shoot. it never happened. we have the president at selma talking about ferguson, not aberration in this country. that is absolutely nonsense. from the president of the united states. because it was an aberration. and it was specific to a community of 71% african-americans. it was an inverted, points to blacks just a decade ago. it as impoverished city. it's a town that has no future as of right now primarily because racial politics were played by the president and many of the -- >> ferguson had problems going back, lou ferguson had problems going back before michael brown?

>> i don't know i have to acknowledge the point -- >> that is beginning of the story. that is the problem. >> that is your story to tell. i have thought -- >> to ahead. >> i thought i was asked the question. >> go ahead. >> because you have a much clearer sense of its history. >> no, but you say this is beginning of story. michael brown getting shot. it clearly isn't. that is problem with a place like this. you have to look at both sides. you can not demonize one said and say the other is saintly. >> that ace good point kennedy. >> that is a fair point. it's a fair point. >> obama administration, false choices. >> no, it is not a false choice. a realistic view. >> administration didn't look at both sides. i agree with you it is not a perfect police department, no question. i think eshoo we all agree on the fact pattern the administration using cnn was using was not based in reality hands up, don't shoot. >> no, reaction -- >> they propagate ad narrative that was not -- >> also shows what is true about

the doj report. politicization of this. >> political decision. >> i agree with that completely. unfortunately gets us away from bigger pictures here we can fairly take a look at. >> what is the bigger picture. >> law enforcement and communities better place. >> surest way to deny reality of a situation, a problem, an issue is to expand it beyond the capacity to deal with it. that's what you're doing when you nationalize. if you focus precisely what happened in ferguson, you have a governor who did not send in the national guard. you have a governor who did not create an economic development project. you have a mayor who had no idea where in the dickens to turn for more help. you had community did not have leaders to represent. 71% of the community. how do you have a police force that is 90% white and in that community? >> but reaction is caused by years and years of buildup of. you have to realize that you can't conveniently choose the starting point to the narrative. >> what you're saying kennedy is so true. >> you just did.

>> no you did, lou. i'm countering what you said. >> i injected details about that night, just as fact. not necessarily to communicate that it was a jumping off point just as fact because that is part of story. >> it was -- >> i clearly see there is lot more to talk about here. if they're doing this kind of talk in places where it matters in my estimation along with faith and prayer maybe we'll get through this in peaceful manner. that is what i'm praying for tonight. these kinds of conversations can bring about peace. we have another night coming. we want it to be a safe one in ferguson. let's move on. serious new questions about the secret service now after yet another embarrassing incident at the white house. oh boy. involving a top member of the president's protective detail. really? plus, baby, what controversy over this picture. there it is. snapped by a navy veteran of the does it honor our flag? look at little wee one. or is it disrespectful to old

glory. a lot of flag stories. >> lots and lots, harris. >> we'll have more from the couch on the web. join us "outnumbered overtime". foxnews.com/outnumbered. click on overtime tab. we want you to be part of the conversation via twitter and facebook. look at the live chat, you can watch us at the top. hour online. we'll be right here waiting for you to come back. stay close.

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♪ >> we're happy. don't you worry. welcome back to "outnumbered." secret service back in the spotlight. once again for all the wrong reasons. where have you ne, clint eastwood? two secret service agents, two senior agents in fact, including a top member of the president's protective detail reportedly drove a government car into white house security barricades after, yep drinking at a late-night party last week. latest in series of embarrassing and potentially dangerous incidents from prostitution scandals to the breach last fall when a knife-wielding man climbed over the white house fence. made it all the way inside of the executive mansion before he was tackled and danced with. lou, i think that the secret service has had all these

problems since they were shoved under the homeland security umbrella. what do you think? >> i they have certainly become visible. reality is homeland security is who arely mismanaged agency. but the this is, has new lip. there is a cultural issue i think, amongst these agents. i have flown with secret service agents all around the world. >> got your own detail upstairs. >> and real this is, it is time to say to the secret service, you're done. we need a new way because you can not protect the president of the united states with a bunch of party boys who frankly aren't demonstrating they're capable of doing the job. >> what is it about the secret service that has created this environment all they want to do is apparently go out and drink and get hookers? >> interesting what you say though about kind of maybe privatizing that or making it very different. i did a report a couple years ago amid another scandal. i went down to d.c. to peel back the uni don't know if you -- on

i don't know. if you. they weren't really started as a protect detail decades and decades ago. they started as support for the fbi and money laundering. counter fit money. so my big question is as they have grown to do all these different things, maybe what didn't grow with it? are they really managed in such a way were they ever and we just got lucky back in the day? are they managing to handle the new threats to the president? because see the threats are different now. they're ever changing now. can they keep up? maybe if you think you can't keep up, you throw one back and pick up a lady? i'm not sure. >> andrea, you're a big fan of nypd. they have to tackle terrorism threats. they have a huge population to deal with. they have a leftist mayor who is deciding what is procedures they are allowed to follow. what can they do at the secret service to make it a better place and safer for those they protect? >> well, if the white house,

knows about this which i would assume lou talks about this, institutional behavior that has been going on for decades. i've spoken someone used to be in the secret service off the record they will intimate that is case. secret service agents have issues with women and issues with drinking. it is a high-stress job. if i'm the white house i have to be furious. it has to come from the president and come from senior advisors because they're not doing their job. >> the problem kristin kirsten, we were talking about middle of the break. the problem is -- i'm not naming names offer blaming blame. >> it his her fault. >> no, it is not. supervisor on duty sent these two guys home. >> that is big problem. i don't know if it is fair, i think it is maybe some bad apples who are behaving badly. maybe they're all like that. i don't know. that hasn't been my experience with them but real problem is oversight and supervise source.

you can't excuse that. the fact that you had people there who wanted to, give them sobriety tests. no let them go home. >> officers with seniority wanted to give them sobriety tests. they were thwarted. that speaks to institutional corruption. last word. >> i want to be real clear. secret service agents i flew with, with the president were first class. what has happened in the last 15 years is something something new. >> that was my question. what's changed? >> i don't recognize them anymore. you can not make apple pie with bad apples. new fallout from hillary clinton's email controversy. why top democrats say her bungling of explanation taking eight days, eight days, what is this hanukkah? to answer questions about it. it raises serious questions about how ready she is for a white house run. plus war of words between republicans and hillary over the letter gop senators sent to

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it is clear they lack an appearerates. and "the new york times" says beyond hilary clinton the democrats have no plan b. seeing her as someone who is too big to fail a. leading democratic fun raiser and donor said there is no one else. she is the most qualified person we could nomi nate. >> i think she is too big to fail. politically i think she survives this. and i hate that she will but i don't see any other way. it doesn't look like the screes justice department will be charges and i think hilary clinton understands that. she will announce her campaign raise a lot lot of money and i don't think there is a lot to defer on.

i think she will get through this even though she shouldn't. >> harris what do you think about that? do you think that this hurts her at all? will this dog her whenever there is an opponent? >> i think it probably doesn't hurt her within or own party. what kind of choices do they have? i through out john kerry. i do thing this becomes interesting fodder for republicans should she run. you want someone who can take a 3 a.m. phone call and multi task but she can not get through phones with two different e-mails. how will she run the country? i can see it setup as a punch line. we are deep in new technology. if she gets an apple watch does that mean the government shutdowns down? >> she is going to run the white house from her apple watch in the kitchen counter. >> thing about how ridiculous it is running foreign affairs from

her kitchen. >> no one believes her explanation. no body believes that. >> and if collin powell -- he had a private e-mail. that is the only defense. but it is like there is 15 rules she could have violated and we will get into that more. i think someone like martin o'malley has nothing to lose by getting into the race. and the more candidates you have the stronger it makes your ultimate candidate and i think it is better for her and the county if someone else runs. >> and to think of who she was e-mailing on the server. one of women's husband was in the bathroom taking selfies with his pants down. >> uma was on clinton.com. so maybe that works. i don't know it is complicated. but everybody is sitting here. really? you would not expect a scandal

from the clinton's at this point. i think you are exactly right. this is clinton-esqe and it will be with us for a while. she will ride it like her husband. >> i think voters have changed and she is going to wake up to a rude awakening >> you are right. the millennials are going to rise. >> i don't think there are many democrats as eager to defend the clintons as you do. >> if you are watching twitter and i am following all of the stakeholders because they are tweeting each other and she is in the game. >> it is a clue to how she will run the white house. she was on the watergate committee. she knows the dangers of a paper trail. it is looking like iran could be the first issue after 47 republicans signed a letter to the leaders of the islamic pe

republic suggesting the deal might not last after his president and hilary clinton is getting involved saying this is undermining his leadership and no one signing on as commander in chief should be signing on. that was a shoutout for the presidential candidates who signed the letter. tom cotton of arkansas is blasting hillary for the tweet. >> i am surprised that secretary clinton who herself was a senator is not standing up from a the constitutional powers of the congress. i am sure when she was in the senate she felt differently. i think it is importance for the american people to know that secretary clinton supports obama's approach and the terms of the deal that will allow iran to get a nuclear weapon >> is the issue of iran's nuke program a winning one for the republicans to perursue?

at least politically. president obama is camp paining about this treaty. should republicans make this an issue? >> they don't have to do too much here. you have senator kerry saying this as a non-binding legal agreement meaning it is about nothing. it is the most absurd piece of diplomacy i have seen. the energy that would be put into this by the administration for anon-binding agreement as they are trying to put away those republican senators who now have brought in democratic senators and are near a veto-proof legislation and require the senator approval. >> how do you think this is being handled? this is not the way they are usually hand lighted and both sides are acting in different

ways >> i do this happening -- i do think the letter from the republicans shouldn't have been done but i think tom cotton is smart twisting it around on obama saying she is picking obama. she pick ad fight maybe she doesn't want to have because i am not sure she does agree with what the president is doing. >> i think that is the only smart thing frauchl thisfrom this. it is forcing her into a corner on her own foreign policy. she wants to make this an issue so she can sound like she has authority and is important. i really think there is a lot of down fall for her in the iran nuclear deal. >> i don't think it is very smart. i can understand why hillary wants to change the subject instead of her e-mail. and i get why she doesn't want to anger the administration because they are back and forth.

but this treaty as it is pointed out is highly unhikelikely iran will agree and follow. so if this blows up hilary clinton has been tied to it. >> we don't know what the president is promising and there are congressional amendments in place they cannot do without congress. if you wipe away with sanctions there are prisoner releases and the president is optimistic saying it is less than a 50/50 chance of meeting one. so it dancing in the dark -- >> and not the way billy idol meant. >> but the point with hillary is if she ever and we know she will tries to separate herself from obama it will be difficult to do that because this is like a huge example of how alike they are, depending on how she responds to this. and i have not seen anybody

voting for a third term for president obama. >> if they wanted the veto-proof majority they should have gotten democrats to sign the letter. >> it was a move by a freshman senator who is showing political capacity and john mccain. >> and the president is an extra constitutional president there is a breakdown of how things are normally done that congress has to step up and act in an atypical way because the president is twarting them. >> nice way to put it. >> surveillance video showing a suspect kidnapping a toddler and now an arrest from the crime. and a new report on your tax

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a shocking new report on your tax dollars at work. illegal grants reportedly filled for 800,000 claims for earned income tax refound amounting to $2 billion over the next fives years and that is because of president obama's executive actions sparring millions from deportation. that is according to the untaxed legislation and iowa republican senator grassly introduced a bill that will cancel what is called the amnesty bonus.

what about people who have been working hard in this country? do you think they deserve a tax break for the labor they already put in? especially people coming to work should be able to come. >> what do you think? >> i am asking you. what do you think about -- >> i think this is all a diversion from the reality. the reality is neither party has either the principled or intell intellectua intellectual ability to deal with this. passing four bills could have achieved this ten years ago. you have those on the left and aligned with the chamber of business types who want the whole loaf and the reality is it is not in the national interest. either the republicans will stand up. if it is jeb bush it is amnesty

and bonuses. if it is scott walker we presume it will not be. >> i don't think scott walker has a fully flushed out idea of what his immigration policy looks like. >> see you did answer. >> i think that is a big issue that is yet to be undertaken by any party or candidate. are they being rewarded for breaking the law and getting in? >> there is no amnesty first of all. that is what ronald reagan did saying you are a citizen and don't have to leave. this is a three-year period. if they file taxes and they have inam income they are paying taxes they should be able to do that. if they have a social security number that has been given to them by the government i think it would be good to pay taxes on what they are making >> i am so tempted to go down

the rabidity hole and -- rabbit hole and fight this. >> no but you basically don't have to leave the country. you know, you are here because you want to stay. >> amnesty is just like wiping it clean. you and i disagree on the getting the tax break. big shocker. >> oh, i know. >> i don't think they should. i made the point earlier this administration seems to be siding with people who break the law over those who don't. but lou while you were talking i was captivated by your shoes. i could not stop starring at them.

i am starring at your feet. >> we have more about the shoes on the other side. it is going to be a riveting afternoon/late morning depending on where you are because we have continuing coverage on the manhunt for whoever shot two police officers in ferguson. the latest on that situation. and discouraging news when it comes to american millennial and the skills employers seek the most. the results of a study that are so stunning some are asking if this can be right. stay here.

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a new report shows american millennials, where are there other millennials among the least skilled worker in all of world. the researchers at the princeton based educational testing service certainly were. compared to 23 other nations it turns out younger americans might be tech-savvy, might be but they still fall short when it comes to skills employers

desire most such as literacy, following basic instructions, and basic math skills and even problem solving with much admired technology. not only do they fall way behind their overseas peers or competitors they even score lower than other age groups of americans. and christen how shocked are you? >> i am actually a little surprised. look, i know we like to pick on the millennials but everybody else in the entire world? >> we are down at the bottom. poland is a great place actually. >> something about it strikes me as off. does anybody else feel that way? >> i question who they talked with.

lou had such little faith in us he had to tell us what the word literacy meant. >> it was in the prompter. >> it is disappointing if any portion is true. i have doubts on who they talks but if any portion is true and there is a segment of the young population out there with skills that can not convert them into a job that is troubling because there is not a lot of jobs out there. >> schools are more worried about a kid chewing his pop pop-tart in the shape of a gun. they are not gettingnd history. they are glued to their i-phones and on tinder trying to do booty calls all of the time. what do we expect? >> what if common core fails? what do we expect? what if they are doing worse because of centralized -- >> do you accept the study?

>> i accept the study that came out there are too many studies. >> i have one -- and everybody wants to second guess the story. >> lou i thought you did a beautiful job in your shoes doing that. >> all right. if she kisses him i'm going to a commercial break. and i will be with you. >> a photograph that was supposed to be a symbol of patrism is sparking attention. why the woman who took the picture begs to different about the controversy. we will be right back. nancial tomorrows a reality for over 19 million people. [ susan ] my promotion allowed me to start investing for my retirement. transamerica made it easy. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. transamerica.

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>> this week we talked about the controversy of university of irvoin. and another controversy swirling around old glory. a photographer who is a navy vet rab and thought it was a touching display of americanism. >> and critics called this disrespectful and rude and tacky and disgusting and against the

u.s. flag code. another read this breaks several points of the law. >> here is the photographer defending the photoon fox and friends. >> i took a tanned and i believed in the photo and didn't feel i had done anything wrong. this photorepresent what every member of the military fights for. and fight for the family and courage and commitment. >> i think people are bored like something. and if anybody should be able to do what he wanted to do with the flag he put his life on the line in the country. >> the photographer was called unpatriotic. >> i was a girl scout and i could have told them they can't do that with the flag. but the intent here was clearly to honor the flag and i wish

people could just disagree. you can say but don't call the person who fought for our country unpatriotic. >> when you look at an emotional picture and vanessa is right. this is a to me art. and it is the best of us holding our future and to swaddle it in the flag is to me a portrait and i love. it >> it is not like kim kardashian wearing the flag as a thong. this is beautiful and the intent of the people participating in it very, very eloquent and the baby. >> and what about a pair of american flag daisy dukes or bikini. i know somebody who i will call ambria has a pair of those and

would they be offended at that? just asking the question? >> and we talked about how the campus at uc irvoin and debating. >> and there are so many children and they dealt with it and said move on. >> and then they had to call off a meeting because it was crazy on campus. >> just another meeting of submillennials. >> it looks like a generation who could use lessons about the flag. >> i think the nation could use american loving and patriotism and i don't know who the insanos are that have a problem with. it they need a life or second job. >> i like the flag hammock or banana hammock flag. the photographer. >> i am just thrilled we are talking about the american flag.

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