job of keeping students safe. i want to give a hand to aur audience. thank you for being with us we'll see you here soon thanks for joining us. "the o'reilly factor" is on tonight. >> one thing i've learned both at the cia and secretary of defense, is that the iranians can't be trusted. >> even leon panetta, president obama's former defense secretary, says we can't trust iran over nuclear negotiations all while the middle east spirals further into chaos. general wesley clark will be here with reaction. >> the fact that torn up sick notes encompassing recent days support the preliminary assessment that the deceased hid his illness were his employer and colleagues. the co pilot of the doomed germanwings aircraft had reportedly been treated for severe depression. how easy is it for people to

slip through the cracks? we have been investigating. hallowed be thy name. >> makes its worldwide debut this sunday. should churches encourage parishers to watch the film? we'll hear from two members of the clergy tonight. caution. you're about to enter the no-spin zone. the factor begins now. hi i'm eric boeing in for bill o'reilly. thanks for watching tonight. let's get to our top story iran and the growing chaos in the middle east. the power struggle between the u.s. and iran for influence over iraq. syria and now yemen is intensifying and getting messier by the day. >> while we're negotiating in one country, we're fighting or supporting a fight against iran in yemen, the fight that is now being led by saudi arabia.

we're fighting both with and against iran in syria and fighting with iran in iraq. the reason saudi arabia and other states didn't tell the u.s. that it was going to launch this war against shiite-backed or iranian-backed rebels in yemen is because saudi arabia and other countries simply don't trust the united states anymore. don't trust this administration. think the administration is working to befriend iran, to try and make a deal in switzerland and therefore didn't feel the intelligence would be secure. >> and the deadline to reach the framework of a nuclear deal with iran is four days away. and now even president obama's allies, including his former defense secretary, leon panetta, are expressing their concerns about an agreement. >> one thing i have learned, both at the cia and as secretary of defense, is that the iranians can't be trusted. and it's for that reason that we have to make sure that we have

taken strong steps to be able to make sure that they are not trying to do something in secret. >> joining us now with reaction from little rock, general wesley clark, the former supreme allied commander of nato. general clark in both of those sound bites, there was one word that appeared in both. it was trust. how in god's green earth should we or would we trust iran? >> well i think that for the agreement itself, it has to be verifiable. and so when we get the agreement and we can actually look at it we're going to have to look at the inspection regime. and the consequences. so for example do we have the right to inspect where the centrifuges are and understand and verify that they're not in producing highly enriched uranium. and what if we don't get to do the inspection then what are the consequences? and those have to be automatic. now, what i've read about the agreement says that it will go to the u.n. security council. there will be an automatic u.n.

security council resolution, automatic that condemns iran, and consequences to that. we want to see what those consequences are. presumably, they would be the reimposition of sanctions and maybe something more. so we'll have to judge this after we have seen the specifics of the agreement. but all agreements resolve like this on arms control, have to be verifiable. and the test of the agreement is not whether you're giving up something but what you're getting for that in terms of verification and consequences. >> so general, we're at the bargaining table with iran now, because we impose sanctions for what reason, because we didn't trust them because they wouldn't allow us in when our u.n. inspectors were thrown out of country, we put sanctions on. why is this one going to be different this time around? by the way, i think this is our third round with these guys. >> yeah, it may not be different. and that's why we have to look at the specifics of the agreement. you know if you start an agreement with -- start a negotiation with the understanding that you must have

an agreement, no matter what then you're going to get a very weak agreement, if the other side hangs tough. the iranians are -- they're tough negotiators, and, you know, we'll have to see how tough we were when we look at the specifics of the agreement. >> yeah, it's like walking on to a car lot saying here's all my money, now what can i buy. obviously are, you're not going to get the best car unless you negotiate it. even leon panetta saying he's concerned about trusting the iranians in something like this. who has the most to lose here? i mean we definitely would like to see an iran that does not have a bomb. but what about israel? saudi arabia? egypt, jordan. they don't want that either. >> well that's right. and nobody wants iran to have a bomb. and so they have all stand to benefit if the negotiation is a good negotiation. but apart from the nuclear issue, there is nothing that suggests that iran is going to stop its meddling in the region. it hasn't committed to stopping its support of bashir assad in lebanon and in syria. it hasn't said it's going to be

nice to israel. it hasn't said it's not going to contest in yemen and elsewhere in saudi arabia. and so all we've tried to do with this is -- we the united states has tried to do is take the nuclear issue off the table. and even if it's only off the table for a few years, ten years. that's still helpful. >> what's the real way to take the nuclear issue off the table with iran? that's only one way to really do it. bomb -- someone has got to put a bomb into those centrifuges. >> i'm not sure that takes it off the table, to be honest with you. because you can't actually -- i think given where they are, and given the nuclear know-how and where it's distributed you can't do it with kinetic energy alone. you've got to put people on the ground. you've got to find the scientists, laboratories you've got to go underground. you've got to do demolitions work. you've got to fight some battles. so if you're going to really do a military operation against iran, you're talking about a big air campaign followed by troops

on the ground that are probably airlifted in to secure bases and so it's a pitched battle. and when you finished that and you've taken out the nuclear capacity to the best of your ability you might be left with a hostile nation of 75 million people that wants to get back at you. >> general, feels like we still have a hostile nation no matter what we do. let's move to the militants east and what's going on in the middle east. you point out iran, you point out syria. so in iraq, we're kind of fighting with iran against isis. in syria, we're kind of fighting against iran by being against the syrian assad regime and then in yemen we're kind of against iran also because we're supporting the saudis. i'm completely confused. are we with them or against them? >> yeah, that's it. and it's even more complicated because you've got russian and turkey that aren't mentioned in that. turkey also is against iran. turkey doesn't want to be surrounded on the south east and west by iran and iran

proxies. so they actually would like to see isis be more effective against iran. and it takes a zel otto fight a zelot. so there has always been a suspicion that turkey was somehow engaged in this. and then there is the case of russian, which is anxious to keep its voice in the middle east, and so they're providing support in syria. so who are we for? we're for israel we're for our long-term friend and ally, saudi arabia. we want security for world oil prices. and that means we want exports from the gulf. and so our interest is stop the fighting. put the arguments back at the negotiating table. and unfortunately, we're not there yet. >> it feels like the old circular firing squad start seeing bullets with our name coming our way. before we go i only have a half minute or so. your thoughts on sergeant bergdahl as a deserter/trader.

go easy on him or hard or full life in prison? >> you've got to see what the evidence shows, but i think the army has made the right decision by taking it to general court martial. let's see the evidence on his side, let's see what he has to say. and let's let a jury of experienced army personnel make that decision. >> thank you very much general clark. really appreciate your time tonight. next on the rundown, the president's president's middle east policies are going up in smoke, but the administration's defense of those policies is as strong as ever. ed henry gives us the inside storyryryryryry

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charges. >> how do you respond on that point to john mccain and others who yesterday said that this is an example of the saudis taking a lead and the u.s. leading from behind? >> as the u.s. involvement in the ongoing military operation that is being led by saudi arabia and their gulf coast -- or the persian gulf partners, is a contribution we're making at the specific request of the saudis. >> do you still believe that bowe bergdahl served with honor and distinction? >> ed, i don't want to be in a position of commenting on an ongoing military justice investigation. >> joining us now from washington, fox news chief white house correspondent ed henry. i'm laughing, ed because let's start with that one right there. berg dahl. they don't want to prejudge, but as you pointed out, they already did that didn't they? >> months ago. susan rice was on a sunday show. we heard before about her being on a sunday show and getting tripped up with something she said. first with benghazi and now with

bergdahl bergdahl. months ago, she said bowe bergdahl served with honor and distinction. that was long before we knew what really happened. so now that we have these actual charges from the army saying that he was a deserter, the white house doesn't want to comment. doesn't want to prejudge the investigation. interesting, because at the beginning of all of this they certainly seemed to want to shape through susan rice's comments on abc shape public opinion and say he served with honor and distinction. either she knew that was not true and said it anyway, or didn't know, because as josh earnest says, we don't know the facts, general clark said a moment ago. in fairness, there are charges. so why did she months ago say he served with honor and distinction when we don't know for sure. >> speaking of shaping public opinion they really shaped public opinion when they had bowe bergdahl's parents at the rose garden thanking all the things that he had done. boy, are they walking that back at all? >> well no. not at all.

and what's interesting about that, is, look, on one hand of course, he was still an american soldier and you want to see him come home safely. any american soldier he or she, should be able to get home safely. don't want to leave him behind on the battlefield. so in that respect you understand why the president would want to celebrate that in the rose garden, but given the questions about what really happened, and by the way the american soldiers who were killed while searching for bowe bergdahl. at least six of them that we're aware of, maybe month. it's troubling that they didn't wait and see what was really -- what had really happened. because the white house wants to now say well the army is handling that. the pentagon is handling that. but as you point out, the beginning of this, they didn't have the news conference over at the pentagon. they did it in the rose garden here at the white house, because they thought they were going to get credit. >> victory lap. let's turn to the yemen situation, ed. you know what strikes me fun -- interesting, let's put it that way. the saudis didn't even notify the white house they were going to go by air and attack the situation in yemen.

they didn't even have the confidence to tell the white house. maybe they were afraid it was going to leak? >> no. republican john mccain has said in the last 24 hours that he's talked to leaders, he won't name them -- in the middle east who say they can't trust the u.s. right now, and they're not going to share those kinds of details. the white house pushes back on that by saying no what was going on was that the saudis were taking the lead and that the u.s. didn't know -- didn't get the complete heads up of when it was going to happen but for days the u.s. was consulting with the saudis and others on intelligence and, you know, in the run-up to the military operation. but there are certainly questions being raised about sort of why the saudis were up front. of course, they have a border of course they're concerned. but you know, you hear critics urging the president to get more heavily involved here. but remember, in september he said yemen was a success. a successful model. and this week, josh earnest has been pressed on that and continues to say -- >> was that part -- maybe the saudis didn't want to be talked out of an air campaign against their model of success of

counter terror. >> right. because the model that he's talking about, you're right is drone strikes. and not actually using air strikes. not having troops on the ground. clearly, they're not going to be u.s. ground troops in yemen. you know the president has made that clear in syria and other places. but the saudis have tens of thousands of troops at the ready who may be the ground troops. in fairness to the president, what he's been trying to say for a long time he doesn't want to send 100,000 american troops to the mid east. he wants regional partners to take the lead. maybe in this case, the saudis can take the lead but long-term there are a lot of questions about what -- >> just a heads up. there are a lot of allies in the area, we spend a lot of money with, we have a lot of military people in the area as well the persian gulf. we protect that strait. heads up, saying hey we're going to go would have been a nice thing. ed thank you very much. >> good to see you. directly ahead, the "new york times" says bowe bergdahl should not be prosecuted for deserting his unit in afghanistan. we'll have that controversial

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in the personal story segment tonight, should bowe bergdahl be prosecuted for desertion. the "new york times" says no in a new editorial writing quote trying him for desertion and misbehaving before the enemy stands to accomplish little at this point. a conviction would most likely deprive a traumatized veteran of benefits, including medical care, which he will probably need for years. a dishonorable discharge would make it harder to rebuild his life as a civilian. meantime, the white house continues to defend the controversial swap of berg dahl for five taliban commanders. bill o'reilly pressed david axelrod, one of president obama's former top advisers about their decision in february. >> after he left his unit and there were a number of u.s.

soldiers killed looking for him. there was an investigation. and the conclusion was he was a deserter. >> bill -- >> the president had to know that. >> the practice of the united states is that we don't leave anybody behind. we may hold them accountable when they come back but we don't leave them behind. >> so you think he still thinks it was a good deal? still was a good deal? >> that was the -- that was what prevoekd -- >> that was the explanation. does he still think it's a good deal, do you think? >> i haven't talked to him about it. i think he would stand behind what he's done. >> joining us now from washington, attorney and former federal prosecutor, john plan flannery flannery. mr. flannery you agree he should not be prosecuted? >> yes i do. you have an exercise of discretion when you're a prosecutor. and in this case, this is not your ordinary alleged desertion. this is a fellow that was run out of the coast guard because he had mental and psychological problems. they gave him a waiver to bring him in. and that great american philosopher, clint eastwood said a man ought to know his

limitations. and this man had to drive to serve, but shouldn't have been allowed to do so. >> okay. there's only one problem with that. you're calling it alleged desertion but he himself wrote his parents saying i'm out of here. and he said to "rolling stone" i hate america. >> i don't -- he said he hated america. have you read his writings? the writings are the writings of a man who has psychological problems. let me say this about the fella. even if he walked off, although he says he walked off to go to another outpost to tell them about misconduct at the post he was at. i don't know if that's true or not. assuming he was a deserter, the five years he spent in custody and tried to escape 12 different times -- he was beaten and refusing to talk. >> how is this for a deal. you did your five years for desertion. misbehaving in front of the enemy which is a far more serious crime. he should get life -- look there are some people -- >> misbehaving -- >> he should get the firing squad for that. >> what is his misbehaving? the man resisted in every way

possible giving any information was beaten for it. >> how do you know that? >> did you read his statement? >> i went back to the "rolling stone" articles four or five years ago reading about this. english i think the guy is a traitor. >> a traitor? >> yeah. >> first of all, he shouldn't have been in the position he was. he didn't have the capacity to serve. we let him in because we couldn't recruit enough people to serve. then we're surprised when this fella can't handle it and walks off. >> john, how many people died because he decided to walk off the base that day, left his gun, left his uniform folded nicely and walked. how many people -- >> i don't know. >> i'll tell you. people in his platoon -- how is this? let's listen from his platoon leader who sat with meggen a while back. >> i want to hear from him why he did what he did. i want to know, and i know that everyone who is involved in the situation wants to know it's something we have lived with for so long and i think for the american people they need to hear from him what he was

thinking. what was going through his head. >> and you know who else wants to know the families of the six people who allegedly died because they were looking for him. >> come on. we have this principle, no man left behind. and they went to get him. that is what we do. that is why we made a good or bad exchange of prisoners for him. that's why we brought him here. if we didn't think he was worth that, we shouldn't have sent a search party. we knew that when we went looking for him. >> you can make your case. that's why you traded five taliban for the one deserter. my point is now that we know, or there is very good evidence that six men have died looking for the man, i think that puts him into the higher -- misbehaving in front of the enemy sounds light. >> whoa, whoa, whoa. they knew when they were looking for him how he went off post. and they know it today. and they knew it when they traded the prisoners. and they brought him back because we believed that the soldiers who sacrificed their life and in this case were tortured for five years have a right to come home. and if you're going to exercise discretion to prosecute, this is not the case to prosecute.

>> what is? give an example. if not this, then when? what do you really need to prosecute a desert oregon traitor. >> when you don't have somebody who is a fragile soldier to begin with. >> let me ask you this. what -- if we did say, you know what, you're fragile, you did your five years with the enemy, alleged enemy. what if we did that. what message would we send to every single military personnel over there right now who are staring at a gun at their face? >> well you know what we should say, is that we shouldn't put any soldier at risk by giving waivers to people who have no business in the service when they were drummed out of the coast guard before they were put in the service because we couldn't recruit enough people to go fight in afghanistan. that's the message. and when somebody goes through this and we make a mistake as a government and put somebody in a place they can't handle when they come back from being tortured for five years, we don't prosecute them. >> we have general wesley clark who is almost straight down the middle. you know what he would say? he would say, if you to -- you

let a guy go like this, you've opened up a can of worms. >> he's wrong. >> you're taking the legs out of the military. i don't want to speak for wesley clark however letting a deserter or traitor go. >> he's not a traitor. >> we don't know that. >> you do. why are you calling him that? you have no evidence he's a traitor. the man couldn't handle it. >> being prosecuted for misbehaving in front of the enemy. you want me to find that for you? >> no a charge means nothing. a charge is not worth the paper it's written on. you know the old saying, a grand jury can indict a ham sandwich. that's what this is. this is political. >> i would love to see the evidence. i'm pretty darn sure they're not bringing that charge against him with no evidence. >> oh, yeah. >> i could be wrong. >> military intelligence oxymoron, that's what we have here. we have bad intelligence, a bad prosecution. it shouldn't happen, and the "times" is right. >> after we find out the evidence, we'll have you back and sit down and talk about what they really did find. mr. flannery thank you much. >> thanks for having me. disturbing new reports say

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andreas lubitz was being treated for depression the days leading up to the crash. he apparently hid that from the airline. and the german media reports that lubitz received 18 months of psychiatric treatment for depression in 2009. how was he able to slip through those cracks and are the u.s. standards anymore stringent. withis now, aviation analyst and pilot kyle bailey. talk a little bit about what we do here in america. a pilot comes up for a medical review how often? >> every six months to a year for a first class medical. that's what the airline pilots have to abide by. first class medical every six months to a year depending on age. if you're over 40 years old, it's every ye if you're under 40 it's every six months. so when you go to that medical examiner, that doctor there is an application. on there they want every single health care provider that you have visited in the time period. >> but when you write this down, that's the honor system, right? >> exactly. it's the honor system, as it stands right now here in the u.s. >> so if you know the employer

would likely fire you if you had a serious issue, what are you going to put on that piece of paper? >> that's exactly the case. and that's probably what's unfolding right now with this co pilot. >> okay. talk to us a little bit about what -- do i understand this right, up until about five years ago, you could not be on any antidepressants and be in the cockpit. but that changed. >> yeah, the faa right now has kind of loosened the belt a little on the antidepressant drugs. so if you go into the faa doctor and there's -- say you do have depression, you put it down on there, a flag goes up. basically, it goes to oklahoma city where the faa headquarters is. and then you're -- that's reviewed. and then a decision is made by an faa medical examiner on your outcome. >> so you can literally be on prozac, xanax whatever, and be flying 200 people? >> you can't fly unless it's approved by that -- by the faa, by that medical examiner. >> talk to us about lubitz.

he took a period of time off out of the cockpit. for depression allegedly. what are your thoughts? what do you think happened with him psychologically? >> i mean, i just think it was escalating. and something probably just pushed him over the edge. i mean there are reports out there he had some relationship issues with his girlfriend. i think everything was just culminating. probably started with some smaller issues, and then just kind of multiplied, and something pushed him over the edge. >> and so lufthansa decides he took some time off now it's time to bring him back and fly a plane? >> there is privacy issues also involved in this. in other words the employer can't peek into records unless they have suspicion that there's psychological issues. and a lot of times as is any occupation, whether it's alcohol or drugs, the last thing that's affected, actually, is your -- your work life. so everyday people who he's coming across such as the

captain or other flight crew members might not see anything. >> most businesses most industries if there is an employee who has a drug or alcohol problem not necessarily fire them, but they pull them out of important positions. they pull them out where their actions might affect other people, either in the company or outside the company. not so with pilots? >> well that's what the pilots union pretty much pushes for. and that is -- that is the case. but i mean, once you do that, red flags are thrown up. and then the faa could get involved in that, and so basically, they want a clean record. >> is this a one-off, or are there a lot of pilots flying -- there's 100,000 flights a day i think in the united states, maybe internationally, i don't know which one it is. how many pilots up there may have problems? >> i don't think -- i mean, obviously, everybody has day to day issues, minor depression. things like that. but major issues i mean, i think most of them are being fairly honest. but, you know there is that self reporting where basically i've heard some pilots basically

say, hey, you know what it's the faa's job to find what's wrong with me. i've heard that before. i'm not saying it's all pilots but there probably is a handful out there that might take that opinion on a subject. >> can can a flight attendant call -- raise a flag on a pilot? >> yes, any employee can can raise a flag on a pilot. if there is suspicion you report it. >> if i'm a flight attendant, first thing i see something i don't like, for the pilot pick up the phone and call the faa. >> exactly. >> we'll leave it there. mr. bailey thank you. >> straight ahead, senator harry reid throws in the toul, and hillary clinton's word police are threatening the press. in a moment. i am totally blind. and sometimes i struggle to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. this is called non-24. learn more by calling 844-824-2424. or visit your24info.com. introducing the new can-am spyder f3. with a cruising riding position and the most advanced vehicle stability

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the o'reilly factor the number one cable news show for 15 years and counting. >> thanks for staying with us. i'm eric boeing in for bill o'reilly. in the usa, pilots over the age of 40 get evaluated twice a year and under 40 once a year. moving on to the factor follow-up segment tonight. two big political stories. senator harry reid bowing out and hillary clinton's word police. first the senate minority leader announced he will not seek re-election in 2016 after serving in the senate for nearly three decades. >> i have had time to ponder and think. we've got to be more concerned

about the country. the senate. and as a result of that i am not going to run for re-election. >> now we turn to hillary and a stark warning. some of her supporters issued to "new york times" reporter amy chozick a group called super volunteers just warned me we'll be watching reading listening and protesting coded sexism. sexist words, they say, include polarizing calculating, disingenuous, insincere, ambitious, overconfident. also sexist, according to hrc super volunteers secretive. and will do anything to win, represents the past, and out of touch. wow. and hillary isn't even officially running yet. joining us with reaction, kerry sheffield, senior writer at opportunity lives, along with jessica carlisle. jessica overconfident is sexist?

>> i don't know. >> and ambitious? >> new definition of sexist that i wasn't aware of and i'm a woman. i think this was a mistake and now they've done an interview -- the daily mail did an interview with the person behind. this i think what the problem here is it detracts from discussing sexism, which is a huge and real issue in america today. and i think it was a big mistake to do this. this has nothing to do with the hillary clinton campaign. >> i don't know about that. he was a volunteer in 2008. >> a lot of people volunteer. a lot of enthusiastic people out there. >> this is par for the course for the democrats. war on women, war on women. this is more of the same. so this is like the faux war. it's like creating words that somehow, to be honest, is actually sexist, what they're saying. that somehow a woman candidate cannot stand up to scrutiny. >> overconfident -- ambitious. wift, if you call me ambitious, i'm happy. >> right. >> so that's a thing. those are words typically

reserved for men? is that what they're saying? >> that's what he's positing. and there was an article that ted cruz, after his launch on monday, is ambitious. and ted cruz is ambitious. no one running for president isn't going to be ambitious. there is no doubt that hillary does get the short end of the stick sometimes. people come after her. >> is that what's going on here they blow the dog whistle and all these splinter groups say we're going to do this war on women thing and hillary is going to be the savior -- >> you say this war on women thing like it's not real or women are earning equal amounts to men. >> oh, here we go. oh wow. >> how is hillary doing on the war on women. if we're going to use jessica's litmus test? >> okay, it is true that sometimes female politicians face sexist attacks. hillary in 2007 a female reporter with the "washington post" no right wing rag, did a story about hillary clinton's cleavage while she was a senator. but sarah palin also was

attacked. maureen dowd did a story about her and her breast pump, feeding her kids. there is sexism on both sides. this is way over the paille. this has to do with whether someone is ambitious and can take the heat. >> hillary clinton -- her senate -- years as senator she paid men more than women. for the same job. >> and the white house does it too. >> and the white house does it too. >> so one of their -- i don't know, platform -- >> accountability office. >> yeah, there are numbers. you have numbers and we have numbers. that's the game right? >> once you hold all the variables, where someone works, where they went to school what they studied the gap essentially disappears. this war on women is fiction, it's fake. and i really hope it goes away. >> this is very disappoint to go me it hear you say that. >> barack obama said in his famous speech, there are no red states there are no blue states. >> can i read some more of these calculating, disingenuous,

insincere entitled, inevitable. inevitable? if i'm hillary clinton and they're calling me the inevitable next president of the united states, that's pretty good, right? >> i think you don't feel that great about it. because the clinton camp knows as well as everyone else, it's maybe not as inevitable as we thought. in new hampshire, we have tons of democratic leaders. they want lizelizabeth warren to run. >> i don't think she is the front runner for the entire race. she is dominating -- >> dominating. >> she has got to play on the women's issues. >> isn't this part of the problem? when we start doing this -- go ahead. >> she said to play the gender card. >> no, to play women's issues, to talk up her agenda on women's issues. all in the cards are women's issues. this is a problem that really upsets me where they're trying to divide people like i said pink states blue states. >> it's a great strategy. so far -- there's only one female on the republican side that looks like she's going to run and the rest of the field looks like it's men.

if you start putting this line and divide, be careful what you say or you're going to be accused of sexism, that's pretty good for her. it's a good strategy. >> we're talking about only a twitter followers. i know we're talking about it on the highest rated news station now. >> she's tweeting herself about the war on women. >> the sexist code word, which they are certainly not going to be -- >> i agree with you. i think they're a splinter group that got their marching orders, at least -- i don't know. they thought about or heard the dog whistle and said here's where we're going with this. quick thought? >> there are lots of groups, lots of mainstream media that picked up on this. i think it was actually kind of a trial balloon. i think it was sort of testing the waters to see how people are going to respond. it is a delicate line to cross here in terms of balancing. >> we've got to leave it there, you guys. thank you very much. and a quick reminder time is running out to get discounts on bill's killing books. all are 45% off on bill o'reilly.com. if you become a premium member you get one free. and remember all the money bill

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what's his opinion on this? >> any among you who is without sin, let him be the first cast a stone at her. any among you who's without sin? >> joining us now, father jonathan morris. and from charlottesville, virginia pastor robert jeffers. both fox news contributors. good idea to show parishoners this? >> oh yes. father johnson and i were on "the factor" the night the book was released. and i said at that time i was very enthusiastic about the book. because the book honestly portrayed jesus' claims to be the son of god. bill approached it as a journalist. he didn't render his own opinion

in the book. he let the reader make up his mind. he ended the book with an empty grave noting historically true that the body of jesus hasn't been found in 2,000 years. so if the movie does this i think christians will be inspired and enlightened. honestly, eric, if the movie has jesus walking around in a daze saying nice things but not having a clue about who he was or why he was here i think that will be a problem. but from what i've seen of the clips of the movie, the movie doesn't do that. and i'm going to be watching with great interest sunday night. >> absolutely. me too. father, what about you? straight yeah everyone should watch it or what? >> in the setup you mentioned the possibility of a controversy between the historic jesus and the religious jesus. there's no such a thing as a distinction between the two. why? because if you present history, religion and in this case more than religion, god himself was a part of history. god made man. and that's a very hard thing to

depict in film. god made man, jesus fully human and fully divine? how do you do that? and some of the depictions of jesus on film i think have been rather unfortunate. kind of enigmatic kind of superspiritual jesus who's kind of walking around in this daze. that's not what we need. and the reason why i think this film is going to be helpful is that it does focus on jesus the man. and when we picture jesus of nazareth that's a man. no artistic depiction is going to be perfect. it's okay to not like what bill o'reilly has done. you know, i never like to fully agree with bill o'reilly on this show. >> by the way he's not here, so maybe you should. >> well, no, even more so. >> allow me to ask this question of both you gentlemen. is there a risk that because it's a film and there's limited time that the story -- there's not enough available time to tell the story properly?

>> well i think certainly there's always that risk. but, you know i agree with father jonathan. jesus was fully god gift but he was fully man. he got angry, he got hungry heft tempted in all things as we are. so there's nothing wrong with showing jesus' humanity as long as you don't diminish his deity. i believe jesus was more than a great man or great prophet. i believe he was the son of god who came and died for the sins of the world. for millions of people who don't believe that they would have to at least agree with bill's opening statement in "killing jesus" that there's never been a more influential person in the world than jesus christ. for that reason alone i think everybody ought to tune in sunday night, watch the movie and then make up their mind for themselves about who they think jesus is. >> you know what i love about this, eric, is that it's very easy to disagree with christianity and say, no, i'm not a believer. and therefore completely go and think about other things.

the fact is that jesus lived. and if we deny the fact that jesus of nazareth was the historical figure then we're not being intellectually honest. and i think the history isty of this, i remember pope benedict xvi, not quoted often anymore, he said you know what brings the point of unity between believers and nonbelievers is? it's doubt. in other words, none of us have perfect faith. and so when we're presented the historical figure of jesus, and that's what bill has done for us, and it's a wonderful thing, he's allowed us to have a unifying point. >> pastor jeffers, isn't that the beauty of this film is that bill o'reilly's doing it from a historic perspective allowing the viewer to make up their own mind? >> exactly. that's why i love the book and endorsed it.

by the way i got thrown off christian television station in the midwest for supporting bill's book "killing jesus." but i'm an enthusiastic supporter because this movie what i've seen is very gritty. people aren't walking around -- >> pastor i hate to run you off. we ran out of time. i'm dying to see this movie. ...heartburn. did someone say burn? try alka seltzer reliefchews. they work just as fast and are proven to taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm... amazing. yeah, i get that a lot. alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief.

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that didn't sit well. she tweeted i'm the problem and that just because i'm white i'm biased and i just can't see that white privilege is holding blacks back from success. this attack on me is ridiculous and riddled with holes. yes, azalea, i understand that unemployment and poverty levels are far higher in black communities than whites. and i honestly believe that we should never forget slavery, legal segregation and ongoing stereotyping that leads to racial bias, but suggesting i'm bias based on my skin color is racist in define. african-americans that make bank -- your lyrics filled with the "n" word. you should be promoting your music success to young african-americans. be a role model try this instead of i hate america how about god bless america? and that is it for us tonight. thanks for watching. on monday senator marco rubio will join us on "the five" for

an exclusive interview. so be sure to check that out. i'm eric bolling in for bill o'reilly. please remember, the spin stops here because we're looking outyou. tonight questions of honor and honesty. politics and war. as the administration tries to manage new fallout from the president's decision to surrender five top taliban commanders for a soldier now accused of desertion. welcome to a "the kelly file" special everyone. i'm megyn kelly. the white house now has a letter from the house oversight committee asking for all documents and intelligence related to the decision to surrender five top taliban commanders last may. in exchange for an american soldier held hostage. that request comes as the pentagon this week charged that soldier, sergeant bowe bergdahl, with desertion and with misbehavior before t