>> we will come back. i will not be here for easter. so happy. thanks for watching fox report. >> it is a terrorist army and a savage march. but who is isis? they combine viciousness on the ground with a supremacy of social media. >> trying to create the largest caliphate it can. >> it spread even further to libya where they beheaded where they beheaded 21 christians on the banks of the mediterranean sea. what do we know about the man wearing the wrist watch who says he is the leader of isis. >> has been a shadowy presence for a very long time. >> why do you think this keeps ending up attached to terrorism? >> isis controls the area the

size of kansas. is there a strategy to defeat them? >> what do you understand the strategy to be? >> i think it doesn't sound like a strategy to me. >> you will see why they are the richest terrorist organization on earth. >> isis is hell on earth and the world continues to witness the cruelty and viciousness. the team has made more than 15 trips to iraq where isis continues to gain ground. where else are they spreading. and we have isis elements. we have them in yemen and south africa. you have them literally all over the stands and they proclaim that they have people defected from the taliban in afghanistan. it's not just what we are seeing constantly on the news in iraq and syria is spreading all over the world.

it is part of proclaimed to be the savior of sunni islam from the shiites. the shiites predominant in iran. it's a 1,000 year war in which we are caught in the middle and they still kill fellow sunnis. it's the most brutal terror organization we have ever seen on the planet earth. >> and it is expanding. this is not in any way getting -- this is expanding. >> we heard right after the murder of the jordanian pilot that maybe they had gone too far. it probably turned the kingdom against them in jordan but it is a recruitment tool for the most vicious group of people on earth. not only goes out and kills people and put it up as propaganda, he also puts out

proclamation of he is the answer to the expansionism of the shi'a islam. they use the horrific video that was broadcast all over the middle east, all over africa, all over parts of south asia. they have seen that full video and that's a recruitment tool for foreigners to join their cause. >> we asked you to dig into how isis came about. let's take a look. >> isis clearly at this point is the world's foremost terrorist group. >> a phd in islamic history and served as an arabic speaking specialist. >> unlike al qaeda is still focused on near enemies it is trying to create the largest caliphate it can in particularly the arab middle east. now includes much of the territory of syria and iraq.

>> isis hasz erased the border between the two countries. >> it bases claims on two things traditions saying go back to mohammed. >> they follow the path of the founder who established the first islamic state in the seventh century. >> they mean lands that were ever a part of islam. >> reporter: professor of middle eastern studies at princeton university one of the world's foremost middle east scholars. >> they see the land as being invaded. >> reporter: the militant jihadiees are led by their leader. their goal is to kill or drive out so-called infidels from the lands where islam reined for centuries. >> the last caliphate was the

establishment of world war i. they think they are re-creating that. they think their caliphate which is arab is even more legitimate than turkish. isis and the islamic state believe that the only legitimate religious belief is their particular harsh brand of law. anyone who holdess other belief is deemed a heretic and liable to death or exile. >> isis emerged from the terror group al qaeda in iraq. the predecessor group to that was the group started. >> during operation iraqi freedom became the head of aqi battling against u.s. coalition forces in the streets. isis has been able to eclipse al qaeda i think primarily by the

fact that they rule a state. they are not hiding in caves and on the margins of the islamic world. they have a lot of fellows who fought jihad from afghanistan, many against our forces in the iraq government forces in iraq as well as many against the government sources of bashar al assad in syria. they put all of these together and when you add those to the fact that the united states has not been there in any force. >> the terrorist army of isis is not estimated to have more than 30,000 fighters in 70 countries. the way they achieve their goals is horrific. >> when isis takes over it imposes strict islamic law such as amputations for stealing, cr crucifixions and such. isis refers to the two different passages. >> all indications show that

many if not all isis fighters have a fanatic belief in fighting to the death. >> they really have in many ways an apocalyptic view point cht isis clearly is talking about end of time battles, armageddon type battles. so isis is still on this quest to establish a caliphate. now using 21st century technology to terrorize. now they are using the production of all of the videos. the official media has become the life blood of the new digital jihad like pouring gasoline on the fire of self-radicalization and the new video showing execution of the pilot really takes it to another level. it has multi layers of video, audio and then the final scene

of the execution and then it has almost video game like feel to it. >> it has done video game stuff for like -- i think one of the things these guys have decided to do is to attract not just your average somebody who -- they are looking to get into their organization as a part of it. relatively well educated, people who are aware. in other words, they can pick up and do things with a black berry or iphone or one of those devices and see essentially the history being made by this organization. >> coming up, how isis is using yelp reviews, earthquakes and sometimes naked celebrities to recruit new members and terrorists to the battlefield. battlefield.

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so how is isis combining vicious murders with social media savvy like we have never seen before? >> to understand ice skps terrorist army you have to look at how propaganda has evolved since 9/11 with social media. the attacks of 9/11 used 19 men and four hijacked airplanes to kill people in new york city, pentagon and in pennsylvania. >> and we have been traveling around the united states. >> reporter: from southern california it was adam who emerged as english speaking spokesperson for osama bin laden's al qaeda network. >> they started the dirty war and will end it. >> reporter: he is still missing and has a $1 million reward on his head and fox news reported it was this dual citizen of yemen and america who went from

being invited as a luncheon guest at the pentagon after 9/11 to a digital recruiter for al qaeda and turned operational. fox news reported on the cleric for years. >> with the command of english, arabic and the internet he was linked to terror plots including failed times square bombing and the thwarted attacks of the big six and the massacre at fort hood. >> he was killed in yemen in 2011 by a predator missile. he lives on through this man. even after serving time in a yemeni prison for his actions on behalf he announced his support to caliphate press. isis has now taken social media to a whole new level. >> isis uses all platforms

everything from facebook to twitter to yelp, restaurant recommendations. because they use all of these different platforms they get a lot of access to the younger set. >> reporter: richard reynolds is a retired army officer who spent half of his career in the middle east. >> we see perhaps as many as 125 different languages being used by isis and isis accounts. >> people may not have homes or jobs or cars but everyone has a phone. >> isis has a media center. >> seems to me that isis almost has a rapid response team. an event happens. they have their message up whereas al qaeda can sometimes take weeks to respond. >> isis also hijacked big news events online using a sophisticated media center.

investigators are analyzing the execution videos. >> the media center in syria is like a digital network. it's almost like a tv station. >> they have the ability to move cameras, lighting, sound into a situation, do the deed without being molested and nobody is dropping bombs on them or observing them, move back to their fixed facility media center and get it on the web in a matter of minutes. they have the capability to get the equipment, the money to do it. >> does it look to you like they have a team with professional training? >> yes. >> maybe former journalists. >> they may be former journalists. there is some suspicion that some people in the music industry is helping them with music and sound, maybe even with executions. >> and it's media guru is

believed to be an american from the boston area now in the fbi's most wanted terrorist list. >> he was born in france. he speaks multiple languages so he can appeal across multiple language platforms. >> reporter: this is what isis is doing online now. >> we see them taking hashtags and sending out their material. >> looking at what is trending in the u.s. and then they are hijacking that. they did that with those nude celebrity pictures. >> exactly. >> how quickly can some kid in st. louis make a decision like make contact and make a decision and go to syria? >> days, hours. we will see somebody that will read a social media entry. it resonates with them and they go out and take their mom and dad's credit card and buy an airplane ticket and fly off to turkey or jordan. >> joining us is the director of

cyber and homeland security at george washington university. he is a former special assistant to george w. bush on homeland security issues. why do you think isis negotiates when apparently he had been killed much earlier? almost a month earlier? >> this is propaganda. at the end of the day i don't think there was a legitimate attempt to negotiate or raise the ransom. it was propaganda primarily aimed to raise voices to overthrow king in jordan. looked like it may have had the opposite effect very similar to the bombing at a jordan wedding where he thought that may have turned islamists against jordanians. >> with the twitter universe and everything else why don't they just wait? >> ice ks use it to their advantage but it also works

against them and it works against them in a very subtle way with the pilot. we reviewed some twitter traffic that is apparently from the end of december and sdroibz how the pilot was cited in the stronghold being paraded through the streets in the cage. and then there was another piece of twitter traffic towards the end of january that said japanese hostages are already dead and the video is on its way to production. these were all clues that the hostages were dead and isis was not negotiating in good faith. >> and they never intended to. >> it was bogus. >> and obviously wanted this to come out at a specific time and that is what they did. they released it when they were ready to do so. i think there is an element and has been blowback in jordan certainly from what we have seen in the last couple of days. i'm not sure there is blowback around the rest of the world. the universe with 120 different

languages do subtitles. in other words, there are people right now between indonesia and philippines motivated to try something like that on their own. not that they are going to coordinate it. it is that they are inspiring people to commit these are the kinds of acts if you are on the winning side we can do this kind of thing and the infidels and heretics can't do anything to stop this. >> at the end of the day they are escalating and at the end of the day they think of spamers. you can send a million messages. all you need are five people to click. >> we hear from people on capitol hill is the view that whatever happens next this episode has really raised the stakes. coming up we investigate the cold and elusive leader of isis and there are some surprises. that's next. surprises. that's next. thththththth

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>> who is the leader of isis. so who is the leader of isis? here is what we know about the vicious al-baghdadi. he made a rare public appearance at a mosque wearing what appeared to be an expensive

watch he calmly cleaned teeth. he went on a 15 minute rant. [ speaking foreign language ]. >> it was the first time many followers laid eyes on him. >> he was also known as sometimes meant from that part of iraq. he is an islamic scholar even though some western scholars ridiculed. >> he has been a shadowy presence for a very long time. >> reporter: as a u.s. army intelligence officer kevin

served two tours in iraq and afghanistan. after military he was cia case officer in the middle east. >> there were questions as to whether or not he existed and sometimes confused with another target who led al qaeda in iraq who was killed. >> my have just been in the battle when marines introduced the al qaeda in 2004 and 2005. he is reportedly in u.s. custody in iraq from 2005 to 2009. >> the now closed prison camp located in southeastern iraq was named after a new york city fire marshall killed on 9/11. >> consistent with the u.s. draw down forces and turn over authority to the iraqis. he was improperly let gout in 2009. >> details were sketchy. >> we know al qaeda has a great amount of autonomy within the camps.

they kept their command structure and were still ordering and planning attacks from inside custody. >> in the years following his release he quickly climbed ranks of al qaeda in iraq. later the group rebranded itself. >> he clearly sort of leap frogged ahead of al qaeda by going ahead and declaring a territoryial state, something that has in many ways empowered isis the islamic state to really now lay claim to being chief islamic terrorist organization in the world. >> i'm back with the panel. why don't we know more about baghdadi. we know we want him and the information. >> three times he has been forecast to be killed. twice forecasted to be wounded and turns out none of that -- certainly he is not dead. if he is wounded he is still getting around. here is the bottom line of the problem. we have zero human intelligence

existing inside this organization. >> they nod their heads yes in agreement. >> we have tremendous signals intelligence but these people learned how to communicate without getting on a cell phone. >> one of the things that happened when we pulled out of iraq is we blinded ourselves in the sense that we didn't have our own people on the ground anymore as eyes and ears. we begame reliant on the iraqis. this administration has gotten out of the interrogation business in a serious way and into the business of killing operatives with drones. so you have that intelligence vacuum, as well. >> here is the reality. these are hard targets. we are lacking human intelligence. while we do have other means to collect on these targets they're evading our various counter measures in part because of some of the weeks inside of our own government and in part because there are a lot of dead terrorists learning from their mistakes. at the end of the day it is always a bit of a cat and mouse.

we need all sorts of intelligence and ultimately it takes a human source to get inside the chain of these organizations. >> based on some preliminary conversations, one of the old hat tricks in iraq under saddam hussein was to have a series of look alikes operating so they never knew where the target was. i would not be surprised if we have a similar scenario here. >> there is a bounty on his head. you get your $10 million where is the incentive? >> what is the incentive? what is the incentive for us to get human intelligence and get someone to break bad on his side? >> his predecessor is fingered by one of the ones who want to collect the bounty. went to u.s. special forces group and plotted exactly where he was. he was hit with a missile but it was a human intelligence.

same thing with our friend human intelligence source said that is his vehicle. >> bin laden, as well. >> ultimately you have as frank said a moment ago we are being spoofed. spoofing is a false message. in other words they got baghdadi or they got in other words many times they are putting out things that are not true to see what we are picking up and how we react to it. we are going to take a closer look at the isis media wing which has american roots. has american a pm pain reliever that dares to work all the way until... the am. new aleve pm the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour strength of aleve.

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enrichment program and sending what it produces to russia. iran is pushing back on how long it must limit technology. problems remain about monitoring iranian compliance with the agreement. and the arab league today called for the creation of a joint military force to fight off terrorism in the middle east. at a summit the leaders of 22 arab nations agreed in principle to take military action against threats to the peace and security of another member state. we do know that saudi arabia and egypt are in the lead on this but it is not clear which countries would commit their military as saudi arabia continues air strikes against iranian backed rebels in yemen. now back to gretta investigates. so who is one of the pr gurus of isis? we spent correspondent to find out about a man from boston.

>> he is sure considered to be armed and dangerous. >> special agent in charge during the boston bombing investigation. he is the guy who put a catholic school boy on the fbi's most wanted terrorist list. >> these are individuals who reside here in the united states who are radicalized on their own often times through online materials. >> is he the head of the isis propaganda machine? if so it wouldn't be the first time an american led the pr campaign for a terror group. until he was killed by a drone in yemen north carolina native samir led the online magazine and it appeared isis has its own american guru. your typical middle class neighborhood not far away from where the patriots play football. >> reporter: he had a privileged upbringing as the son of a harvard educated. >> he went to a catholic school

not far away. then he comes over here just for his senior year. we don't know why he left but we know he graduated here. the principal told us he fit in. he didn't strike her as being out of the ordinary too much. >> reporter: he studied computer science for three semesters here at northeastern university. during this time period authorities believe he became fully radicalized. he would spend saturday nights watching al qaeda propaganda videos. post 9/11 they start to hate america. >> he travelled on several occasions overseas. his first travel was in april of 2002 when he travelled to pakistan for the purposes of seeking out military style terrorist training. >> he and boston buddies failed in the first attempt but returned to the u.s. to try to kill at home. according to these court records they plotted an attack on

civilians at a shopping mall. they also conspired to aassassinate then national security adviser condoleeza rice. >> on or about february 13 he travelled to the area of iraq. >> there he may have made an important connection. >> he was at the same time that we believe that al-baghdadi was there. >> as first reported at least eight known terrorists attended this mosque, a point the mosque denies. >> is there any information you can give us about this guy? >> do you remember seeing him? >> no. no clue. >> why do you think this mosque keeps ending up attached to terrorism? >> nobody knows. this is a mosque. everybody is welcome. >> after his jihad tour he

returns home to boston and completes his computer science degree. he along with others began producing violent propaganda video and translating online messages. >> by 2006 the fbi initiated an investigation and spoke with him. >> the co-conspirators would include code words like peanut butter and jelly. >> shortly after that he fled overseas to an area we believe to be syria. >> he was convicted in a federal court in boston and is serving 17 years. he refused our request for an interview. >> december 2013 he was elevated into the fbi's most wanted terrorist list. >> this is the real deal. he knows a lot and they want him. if he is found anywhere on the planet they are going to grab

him. >> trying to track down his father who moved to detroit after his son fled boston. we did find him employed at a university in qatar. we hear about america's links to isis. tell me why do we have dual passport problem? >> for a long time foreign fighters have been a challenge. these are westerners fighting ov in jihad conflict zones. we have seen it in the past in the afghanistan and pakistan as well as yemen and somalia. obviously nowhere to the scale and scope we are seeing today. 20,000 people. >> the difference now is because of social media and facebook and these vehicles people can make contact and within a matter of days based on reporting can go

from ohio to the front lines in syria. we spoke with the former member of the u.s. military. he went to the region in four days he got over there and he said once he was there all of his skills were vetted to figure out which pot he would serve the best in, military skills, he was there to fight against isis but he said the same pattern was being done by the terror group. >> i worry more about syria coming back to ohio. what are we doing about that? >> it seems to me there ought to be given technology we have today a way of identifying somebody who flew to turkey, disappeared for x number of days or weeks and flew back. in the aftermath of madrid and paris we have found out where they were. that data was there. >> that's after the fact. it's not where they were. we need to know where are they and where are they going? >> if we knew after the fact where they were why don't we

know where they are now? >> the systems are there. this is a country that has -- we invented the internet. why can't we use it to say this guy has been to turkey and disappeared and came back and step in and ask him. what were you doing? where were you? that's not being done. the brothers came back from chechnya told us. somebody is dropping the ball. >> facilitating and keeping track of terrorist travel is an area that our community is trying to get its arms around. for years there were negotiating issue called pass your name record. europe yns didn't want to maintain the data and now are recognizing there is value in that. i think greta hit an important point. a lot of guys unlike yemen or

somalia or they have to -- here you literally are going to europe and you are a bus ride away from the turkish border and slipping across. the reality is the turks even if we had all of that data i don't have confidence that they kept track of that. >> the turks told us within 24 hours that the girlfriend of one of the perpetrators in paris was already in syria. so the turks are finding out. they are just not telling us. >> that is an important set of issues. i tend to think that if there is anyone who can address this it is the turks because that is where they are slipping through. >> a year ago you would have never imagined that the british government would propose stripping people of pass ports if they had gone to syria. this seems to be the broad response to the problem. i think the discussion is not far off in this country, as well.

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i sat down with former deputy at treasury department. he has followed money trails for more than a decade. nice to see you. where is isis getting money? >> it is getting some money from resources controlling territory biggest is oil. we used to think as much as $2 million a day and rolled back to a million. let's say it is half a million dollars a day, i would take that paycheck. they are also getting funds not as much as al qaeda but some through major donors in the gulf. the problem is they have always been financed through localized crime in iraq. isis is today what used to be the islamic state of iraq, al qaeda in iraq. so it's all the same thing. even back during 2005, 2006, 2007 the primary funding for the insurgency was and continues to be today through localized crime, kidnapping for ransom, political corruption, et cetera.

we have tools to deal with major donors in the gulf and tools to deal with the oil they are smuggling across the border. we don't have tools to deal with their crime at home because we don't have boots on the ground. >> what was the reason for having such an enormous ransom figure for james foley. they wanted $130 million american. if they got all of this oil money coming in they never got that kind of money for ransom. they certainly were never going to get 130 million from any country. >> people think they weren't in it for the money and the united states and united kingdom have no ransom policy. and in all likelihood it was enhanced. >> if oil is selling for $105 a barrel but selling it for $60 a barrel most people say $60 looks good. >> some other smugglers are selling $55 a barrel and selling as low as i understand as $40 a

barrel. because turks in particular pay so much for gas there is supply and demand a market. you can find people to smuggle it and buy it. they have to drive the trucks across the border and work with middle men in syria and turkey. and law enforcement, treasury designations and a military capability if they are going across particular crossings with the trucks. >> you say there are ways to do it. why aren't we doing it? or are we doing it? >> this was a political decision. the president had decided that we were going to seriously start tackling isis. secretary of defense says we will start targeting money. my concern is we say we are going to do it on only the iraq side of the border and not so much the syrian side of the border. if we don't squeeze isis in iraq and syria we are not getting far. >> so how does the world fight

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>> what do you understand the strategy to be? >> i think the strategy ends and means. ends with respect to isil needs to be its lasting defeat. >> thdoesn't sound like a straty to me. >> who is the key to defeating isis? can a coalition really work? two tough questions. >> we had indications isis is becoming very much like al qaeda in the sense that they have affiliated or branch operations outside of iraq and syria. in the three countries identified were algeria, libya

and then also egypt. you can see that it has begun to spread almost like a cancer. but i would argue there isn't a con n kinetic solution it is a battle of ideas. we have to not be afraid to battle in ideas. >> that's a slow battle. while we are exchanging ideas people are getting killed. >> we have to look at kin net he can responses and ideological. to paraphrase bill clinton it's the ideology, stupid. it is met it's sizing. you are seeing flags being planted all over the world. we have seeded the cyber battlefield to the jihadists. we can collect intelligence for social media traveling overseas, shut some of this down to try to put it this the margins at least make it more difficult for people to get their hands on this material or we can push

back. honestly, we haven't pushed back. we have seeded the battlefield to the jihadists now we have to step in. >> why can't we have a coalition olli? >> there's a wonderful idea to get jordanians on the step. >> they have been -- >> if we close 1700 missions or thereabouts and the coalition partners flown 170 you know there's a commitment problem. nothing shows commitment and sincerity quite so well as a carrier battle group and marine ground task force. we don't have any in the mediterranean right now. we need to put them there. >> you are saying we are not showing the commitment to other nations to make them want to join the coalition. >> second you have to avoid the vi fight of those who volunteered to fight for isis. it is different if you are drafting a kid and xhating him to fight. it is not like those who want to fight. the only way to do that is by

kinetic. finally the intelligence. we have to make inroads to the sunni tribes in iraq and syria. they are there. they are on our side. we need to show them we are committed and stay the course and for heaven's sakes, don't do some deal with the iranians that tells everybody in the sunni side of the world we are on their side. >> i was going to say, isn't this the big picture question here. the cancer is in syria. it seems to me every policy decision right now in the white house is driven by their desire to get a deal with iran. this effects how they are responding to the problem in syria because they don't want to upset that apple cart because syria is alive with tehran. >> the intelligence community moral is what at this point? >> there's a big zero from -- >> i think for people who have been on this issue and i hesitate to really speak on

their behalf, but they are dedicated to the issue but they are frustrated that when the information has been presented in a very clear way, there has been that denial of the facts on the ground. that means you cannot tackle the problem. >> tend daft we are talking about unand under governed spaces. jordanians would be a huge component of that next to israel the closest ally in the region. >> we ought to be advertising ourselves as the greatest nation on earth. you are freer here than anywhere else in the world. that any mor. vice voice of america and all of the things we used against the soviets they are still there and we don't use them. >> soviets are back. >> thank you panel. thank you for joining us tonight. if you want to know more about

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