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manhattan. wasn't a great test taker. just a logical guy. again, thanks for watching us tonight. ms. megyn is next. i'm bill o'reilly. please remember the spin stops here because we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight in the 24 hours since republican rand paul joined the race for the presidency he has taken a pounding from the press and the pundits. the question now, was it fair? welcome to "the kelly file" everyone. i'm megyn kelly. reaction came almost immediately after the first-term senator declared his candidacy in front of a roaring crowd in louisville, kentucky. first, he was criticized on his foreign policy positions. then he was accused of flip-flopping. and "the washington post" even went after the facts he used in his rollout speech. but one of the more pointed criticisms came not from the left wing media but from best-selling conservative writer and fox news contributor charles krauthammer. >> whatever name you want to put
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on paul's position, isolationist or noninterventionist, he is without a doubt the one republican who will be running who is the closest to obama in his view of foreign policy. >> senator paul has already kicked off a very busy series of campaign stops. he joins me tonight from south carolina. great to see you senator. let's start with charles krauthammer. he's beloved by so many in the republican party. and people say if i have to choose between charles and rand paul, who do i side with? >> and here's the thing. you know i like charles. he's a fellow physician. and we have a good personal relationship. but you know what, sometimes he's just wrong. and what i would say the reason he's wrong is that if you look at who's closest to president obama on foreign policy it would be the people who have supported his policies like the war in libya. i think the neocons have been
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close on all of these issues. the only place they've differed have been the one who is agrees. i was opposed to libya i was opposed to bombing assad in the beginning of the syrian conflict. i was the one opposed to obama's arming of the syrian rebels, of the islamic rebels. they're actually much closer to president obama than i am. >> is he one? >> excuse me? >> is charles a neocon? >> i think he is. >> who are they? in your mind, you know who are they? what section of the republican party do you mean? bill crystal? lindsey graham? >> it's more of a philosophy. and they will know when you talk about them they will know who they are. but the reason i don't choose to bring up names is i don't want to make this about personalities. but there's a philosophy of knee
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neoconservativism. >> when you say that you have to fight before you can fight for any general election like against hillary clinton, you have to win the gop nomination. and can you do it by alienating what was at least as of a few years ago said to be about 10% of the gop, which is neoconservatives. >> well, yeah but here's the thing megyn. i didn't start this. it's not my choice to start out by having a war with republicans. but i will tell you for example in polling in iowa about two months ago they asked the question, are you -- do you favor rand paul's foreign policy of being less involved, or do you favor john mccain's policy of being more involved intervening more in war around the world. and it's actually pretty evenly split. about half republicans think, yep, john mccain's always right and we should have troops in 15 countries and be at war continuously. but about half the party says you know what, rand paul has a point. sometimes we get involved and it
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actually backfires on us. i think libya's an example of that. and i think had we toppled assad, isis would have been stronger. and i think our arming of the islamic rebels in that civil war has allowed isis to get stronger. >> their response is we got in too late. we started arming at a time when the wrong people had taken over. >> but the truth -- >> but let me make the comment that people you're criticizing say -- excuse me, let me ask the question. the people you're criticizing say we should have been arming those rebels. the decision to arm the rebels was not the wrong one. it just should have happened earlier while it was you know, the sort of doctors and lawyers and not yet the radical islamists. >> right. right. but the truth of the matter is that's incorrect. in 2013 we put 600 tons of weapons in there. there was no dearth of weapons going in there. the problem was we were putting weapons in there, saudi arabia was qatar was, but it was indiscriminate. and the weapons were flying to
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al nusra to so-called moderates. a cia analyst put it this way saying the only thing moderate about the rebels in syria is their ability to fight. our american arms went very quickly to isis. isis is strong today because they're fighting with western arms. i think the terrible tragedy -- >> the thing that i've heard this week we had general michael flynn, retired general michael flynn in the program and he used to run up until july the defense intelligence agency. and he and general jack keane and some other top military experts have said we're not talking all military. nobody's saying this is an all-military battle. but when it comes to fighting radical islam, we're going to have to be more aggressive. we're going to have to have a multifaceted approach. and, yes, it's going to include boots on the groupd and a strong ro bust military option. do you agree with that? >> a lot of it. as far as the boots on the ground though i would say the boots on the ground need to be arab boots on the ground. ultimately civilized islam's going to have to rise up and be part of this.
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i think the jordanians have been provoked enough that they will put boots on the ground. i think the saudi arabians need to step up. and i want to see battalions where thousands of saudi arabians are marching at the front of the battalions. because frankly the saudi arabians have been a big part of this problem for a long time. the kuwaitis need to be at the front lines, the turks need to be at the front lines, but you have to have arab boots on the ground. >> let's talk about the rollout of your campaign. because you've already taken a hit for your behavior in a couple of interviews. now, i'm going to get to this is twofold for me. some are saying it's a woman issue. some are saying it's just a behavior issue for a presidential candidate. i want to show the audience what we're talking about and get you to respond. standby. >> you once said iran was not a threat. now you say it is. you once proposed ending foreign aid to israel. you now support it, at least for the time being. and you once offered to drastically cut -- wait wait,
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wait once drastically wanted to cut defense spending and now you want to increase it 16%. i just wonder if you've mellowed out. >> why don't you let me explain instead of -- >> sure. >> -- talking over me, okay. before we go through a litany of things you say i've changed on why don't you ask me a question? >> have you changed your opinion -- >> that would be a better way to approach -- >> okay. is iran still not a threat? >> no no, no no. listen. you've editorialized. let me answer a question. >> okay. >> you ask a question and you say have your views changed instead of editorializing and saying my views have changed. >> senator, i'm sure you know most of the research on this indicates that these actually cost more money over the long-term than they saved. are olympic -- >> that's incorrect. whoa whoa, whoa. let's go back again. your premise and question is mistaken. >> all right. it works -- >> hey hey, let me finish -- hey, kelly, let me -- >> i'm sorry, go ahead. >> calm down a bit here, kelly. >> when you see those clips, senator, what do you think now?
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>> you know i think that interviews are difficult. like right now while we're doing this interview i can't see you. you know, i'm in a remote -- by a remote camera in south carolina. >> uh-huh. >> when an interview's contentious and full of a lot of opinion and editorializing and it's a long-winded question that's setting you up to say, you know, you've been beating your wife all these years and when are you going to stop beating your wife? it's very difficult in those contentious issues. i don't think it makes for good tv on both sides. and i do lose my cool. and i lost -- i do lose my temper some time. and i should be better at that, but the thing is you don't get any visual clues. and it's much harder to have i think usually when you're sitting down with someone it's easier to have a reasonable conversation. but you've watched tv. you see tv where it's just yelling back and forth. and i don't think people like that necessarily. but, you know i wasn't -- >> those women were not yelling at you. they were not yelling at you. >> well, i wasn't yelling at them either.
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basically it was a talking over each other kind of thing. >> but do you regret it. >> i don't think it makes for good tv. >> do you regret shushing the one reporter and -- savannah guthrie's not exactly known for her, you know, aggressive unfairness. >> right. i think the question was unfair. do i think that i responded appropriately? you know, i would rather not have contentious interviews. i would rather do 30 minutes with charlie rose laid back in a la-z-boy chair. i know but we only get a few minutes. there's not a lot of time for niceties. you understand the position the reporters are in. >> i do. >> i'm going to get to the woman thing in a minute. but the question some people are asking about you is whether you're ready for primetime because it's only going to get worse. you know it's only going to get worse. it's going to get more contentious. when you get up on that stage for those presidential debates you're going to get pounded. it's going to be ugly. that's the way the process works now. and you told hannity last night you can't get overly emotional.
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did you get overly emotional? >> but i think also that people want someone who will stand up and not just roll over and take it. do you remember reagan when he said i paid for the microphone i'm going to speak my peace? so i think people do want on occasion they feel like for example like in the debates the last time some of us wanted romney to be tougher against obama after benghazi. i'm not going to lay down and let clinton talk over me. >> but the audience has got to be with you if you're going to do it. they've got to be with you. >> yeah. >> and there's a real question about whether you're pulling this trigger too early in these interviews and whether you're alienating people by being too defensive. media, we ask questions that are sometimes stupid. sometimes unfair. your job as the politician is to give the answer you want to give and try to use your time on the national air waves to make your points, right? people are accusing you now of being too thin skinned. >> well, i think we could all get better.
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i mean, i'm not perfect. and, you know, we try to do this starting from 7:00 in the morning to 10:00 at night some nights. but the thing is is that contentious interviews are not one-sided in a sense that oh it's all my fault that this is a contentious interview. if people start out and basically start out with mischaracterizing your position and then saying, well, defend why you've changed your position when in reality the question should be did i change my position because on all three questions my answer is no i didn't change my position. so it's a question. but if you start out and make a conclusion then you're writing op-eds and you should be in a different business. >> chuck todd came out and said you have to be careful because you attacked two prominent female interviewers. the guardian said you were condescending to female reporters. and i as a female reporter will say to chuck todd and the guardian, we don't need your help. savannah guthrie doesn't need your help. kelly evans doesn't need your help. and you are entitled to pushback
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on the interview just as much as you would if it were a man. so these male commentators can butt out. we can give as good as we get. but the thin skinned question whether it's a female or a male reporter that one i say is fair. i'll give you the final word sir. >> i think it is. and i mean to say anything can i do better, yes. am i sometimes thin skinned? yes, but am i equal opportunity? i mean, i had a tiff with a male reporter today has nothing to do with sexuality. when i think of doing an interview with you, i don't think whether you're a man or woman, i think of an intelligent person going to ask me questions. >> i know that. i know that. here we had a robust back and forth. and i know you'll come on the program again. people, to me it's ironic that the people trying to step in and protect these female interviews are themselves being sexist while they're suggesting that you were sexist because you can't kowtow and weren't polite enough to your female interviewer. there's my two cents.
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i'll let you go. senator, good to see you. >> thanks megyn. >> our next guest senator paul has some fresh ideas and powerful friends but dana perino says there's already one big threat for this campaign. and what it means for the race. and new controversy tonight involving vice president dick cheney and his latest attack on president obama. governor george pataki and burden here ahead. >> if you had somebody as president who wanted to take america down, it would like exactly like what barack obama's doing. ♪ bring your vision for the future to life. for more than 145 years, pacific life has been helping families achieve life-long financial security with innovative tools and strategies.
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can i do better? yes. am i sometimes thin-skinned? yes. but am i equal opportunity? i mean i had a tiff with a male reporter today so it has nothing to do with sexuality. >> that was senator rand paul moments ago reacting to new allegation today that he has been too short-tempered with certain journalists. some critics even suggesting he has a problem with female interviewers. something he flat out rejects. our next guest says the senator needs to get the short fuse thing under control. dana perino is a former white house press secretary under president george w. bush and co-host of "the five" here on fnc. what do you think how he did in that exchange?
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>> i think he missed a good opportunity to be on a primetime show with megyn kelly to tell people why he wants to be president of the united states. in a way -- i understand his point that some people like a candidate that's going to push back harder. that is absolutely true. but he also has to be able to show, one, he can get up off the mat. people want to support him because he's going to take a punch and punches are going to come, take a punch, get up off the mat and pivot and tell me why he wants to be president of the united states. this should have been a much better media day for rand paul. and unfortunately i think because partly his temperament and also his inability to pivot back to what's important in the campaign. >> that's the thing. why waste time lecturing the "today" show morning show host about the kind of question she should be asking? why not just ignore the question and say what you want to say when you've got on that show 5 million viewers watching you? >> also be more prepared for the questions you know you are going to get. if the "today" show or megyn kelly only has four to eight minutes with you to interview
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you, you would ask your staff, what are the questions do you think they're going to ask me? pretty much with 99% accuracy they can tell you what they're going to be. therefore your answer should be crisp able to get to them and move off of the direct question and pivot into something that will help you look like you should be president of the united states. >> uh-huh. what about the woman thing? you heard what i said to rand paul. i actually think that's a media-generated issue and we don't need any help from these male reporters to stand up for us as our white knights in shining armor. we can handle it ourselves. i think somebody's exploiting the gender issue there. but he needs to be able to take a punch. >> he needs to realize that i think in some ways he needs to go back and quietly sit with his wife and watch these interviews and say what are they talking about? if he can't see it, if he doesn't see what other people are seeing that looks like he has a short temper and i agree with him i don't think it's necessarily gender specific. it's not just with women. however, women are very important in the campaign. when women watch that they might
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have a different reaction to it. and get ready for a lot more gender talk. this is going to be generated by the clinton campaign from day one. it already is. and you're going to see a lot more of it. i thought the way he stood up to the guys and said we've confided on battles because each one of you has earned your right to be there and asking him the questions, the tough ones. i think rand paul could have done a much better job today explaining to us why he should be the leader of the country. >> i remember last time around mitt romney came on he had a rather contentious interview with bret baier. shortly later on he came on with me and had another contentious exchange. nobody ever said it was about gender. romney was just getting flustered at that part of the campaign. but it seems like people see a thread here that they're trying to exploit on him. he doesn't like women. he's trying to beat up on the women. i've pressed him very hard a number of times. he's got no problem with women. he gets aggravated in interviews. it's something he needs to work on. >> the question about have you changed your positions or have
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you flip-flopped on issues are ones he's going to have to answer. it's not just coming from the media it's going to come from the republicans who want to win the primary as well. i thought it was interesting when he spent a lot of time explaining how difficult interviews are. the truth interviews are not going to change within the next election cycle. >> it's not going to get any easier. >> no. >> how about the lengthy discussion of the foreign policy at the top? i mean, he went deep. >> you could tell. here's one thing he's definitely up on the issues. from his point of view he knows the names of the countries and when it happened and it's his point of view. but some of the things, like for example when you pushed him on the point about syria and arming the rebels and the point that we got there too late in order to capture the people that we thought could help us. in his view he thought that was a bad idea from the beginning. he does seem to me to want to be all things to all people. and if you are trying to do that, you are going to disappoint somebody. possibly yourself in your own campaign. >> very interesting.
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we've got two in now ted cruz rand paul and i guess we're going to hear from marco rubio on monday. dana, great to see you. and then there will be hillary out there within the next two weeks we're old. meantime, the immigration debate is heating up between the government and the state of texas. and a federal judge has some choice words for the department of justice on some allegedly unethical behavior. plus, calling the p.c. police. why a college campus has canceled a screening of the oscar-nominated blockbuster "american sniper" film going instead with the kid-friendly "paddington." this is college. college. and senate minority leader, harry reid, again confronted over his misleading claim that governor mitt romney did not pay taxes. is he now ready to own up to it and apologize?
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breaking tonight the families of those killed and injured in the boston marathon bombing continue to speak out after a jury today convicted dzhokhar tsarnaev on all charges in the terror attack. among the 30 counts he faced were charges that now leave dzhokhar tsarnaev eligible for the death penalty. during the trial tsarnaev's lawyer admitted that he carried out the 2013 terror attack with his brother. the two put the shrapnel-packed pressure cooker bombs near the marathon finish line. the explosions wounded more than 260 people and killed three including an 8-year-old boy. the trial's next phase could begin as early as monday. the jury will decide between the death penalty or life in prison for the bomber. that has been the big question all along in this case. well, from texas tonight comes an embarrassing ruling for the obama administration and its department of justice. a federal judge there has
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refused an administration request to lift his order blocking president obama's executive action on immigration. after president obama tried to go around congress and shield what may be millions of illegal immigrants from deportation. in the process this judge accused the doj of play tant misconduct in the case finding whether by ignorance, omission, purposeful misdirection or because they were misled by their clients, meaning the government, the attorneys for the government misrepresented the facts. joining me now, fox news legal analyst lees wheel. this judge threw it. >> absolutely. because there are ethical rules lawyers are bound by megyn. and 3.3 -- this is the ethical rule, says candor to the tribunal. what does that mean? you cannot lie to a judge. if you're a lawyer, you cannot misrepresent facts. >> how did they lie? the doj went in and the judge said you lied, you told me something was totally wrong. >> the doj went in and said the amnesty program we're talking about here, it's not going to go into effect until february
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don't worry about it texas. no harm no foul. you don't have to think about this. not true. the amnesty effect actually did go into effect in one provision, and that was it extended from two years to three years certain illegal aliens getting to get into this country. >> they were already kicking in. and they were telling it's not kicking in nothing to worry. >> nothing to worry about. you don't have any standing. basically go away. then they had to file earlier this month what they call an advisory to the judge saying oops, we got that wrong. about 100,000 people have already been granted -- 100,000 already have been granted this extension from two years to three years. the judge said as we heard today, hey, you lied to me candor to the tribunal, you cannot do that. i could throw out all of your pleadings, megyn. i could throw the whole thing out. i'm not going to do that. the issue is too important. it needs to go forward. but it makes the administration look really bad. >> this is not the first time the doj's gotten in trouble for misleading a court.
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they got sanctions i think it was south carolina for in a case against a cop going online and writing bad things about the cop and the case and about the police. and then they misrepresented that they did that. and the judge in that case said what are you doing? totally unethical. >> now the judge here says there's an investigation going on when did you know what and how? he's not letting it go. he's saying when did you find out about this? who did you talk to? all of this. i want all of that and i want it by the end of april. i think april 21st actually. >> we'll continue to follow that. that will be an interesting filing. >> it certainly will. i would not want to be those lawyers right now. >> thank you, lis. a teacher getting a lesson in public anger after she asked her third graders to send sympathy cards to a convicted cop killer. that story with greg gutfeld is next. and vice president dick cheney suggesting president obama's foreign policy indicates he may be working to "take down america." governor george pataki and bill burton are here on that next.
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developing tonight, new controversy involving vice president dick cheney and his latest scathing assessment of president obama's foreign policy. it all started with a question about iran. but mr. cheney went off on the commander in chief's policies as a whole going so far as to say he thinks our current commander in chief may be the worst our nation has ever seen. >> if you had somebody as president who wanted to take america down, who wanted to fundamentally weaken our position in the world reduce our capacity to influence events, turn our back on our allies and encourage our adversaries, it would look exactly like what barack obama's doing. i think his actions are constituted, in my mind as those of the worst president we've ever had.
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>> joining me now former new york state governor george pataki. governor, good to see you. >> good to see you, megyn. >> too harsh? >> i think it's pretty accurate. this president, i don't think it's intentional but he has weakened america in a way that no president in my lifetime has ever come close to weakening america. >> how so? because, you know, obviously dick cheney i think he would qualify as a neocon in rand paul's estimation. >> yeah. >> and the argument you heard rand paul making the argument against that policy, that approach. >> i agree we shouldn't be trying to look for war for the solution to everything. but on the other hand our allies don't trust us. our enemies don't fear us. and that's a consequence of this president's policy. he has weakened our military. he has ended so many of our allies' trust they used to have in american support particularly israel and other countries in the middle east. he's been on the side of so many issues like drawing a red line in syria and not standing up to it. and i fear now with the accord he's apparently till strie still
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trying to hammer out with iran that this is going to create a very short pathway for iran to get nuclear weapons. all of it weakens america. >> but, you know, the president's defenders would look at dick cheney and say bush-cheney got us into forget afghanistan but at least iraq based on what they say was a false premise. and they believe that created a new field of enemies against us in the middle east and we're still paying that debt. >> megyn it's not about the past. it's about today and the future. and today our allies just don't trust us. our military is weak. iranian iranian hedge mommy is going forward. in iraq, in ways we have not seen. >> if we had a bush-cheney administration for another eight years, do you think we would not have seen the growth of isis and collapse of the middle east as we know it? >> no, i don't. because i think when president obama withdrew those last troops from iraq, he created a vacuum. isis filled that vacuum. if we had stayed there,
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supported the baghdad government and inclusive baghdad government that included kurds, sunnis, i don't think isis would have ever reached this point. i think it's because of that weakness. >> we saw these dictators fall. and there's a real question about whether that wound up being a good thing for america. >> i think we made a hideous mistake in telling mubarak who was our ally in egypt for 20 years to leave immediately when more intelligent voices were saying let's look for a transition here. >> what about gadhafi in libya? >> i think we did make a mistake there. i think gadhafi had given up his nuclear weapons and there i think it was leading from behind. when america leads from behind we leave chaos behind. libya we should not have gone after gadhafi. he was not a friend of ours but he created stability. and now you do have isis and al qaeda in the ma grib imposing a threat to us. >> it's depressing. >> it's depressing for the
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moment. but we're still america. and we can turn this around so quickly. we have the greatest military in the world. and we have trust. if people can trust our leadership, they trust the american people. sure it's disappointing today, but things are going to get better. >> governor, good to see you. >> good to see you. >> also with us bill burton former white house press secretary for the obama administration. bill, it is depressing when you look at what's happening in the middle east. but is it as dick cheney says it would be otherwise if we had a different president these past six years? or not? >> i mean look, at least governor pataki ended on hopeful note about america. i agree america is quite strong and is capable of withstanding quite a bit. listening to governor pataki and former vice president dick cheney, you have to be breathing a sigh of relief on the right that there's a new generation of leadership that's coming through and that you're going to have a presidential campaign and get new ideas. the notion that the president is somehow working to undermine
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america is so radical a thing to hear from a former vice president that you almost don't even know how to react to it. and this coming from a guy who's in an administration where they left the country with an economy that was hemorrhaging hundreds of thousands of jobs per month, wars in iraq and afghanistan that there was no path to get out of and no path to get iran to a nonnuclear place. >> this is one of the points the governor and i were get sboog with iraq. okay. no path to get out of iraq, but the problem is according to president obama's critics he got us out and got us out the wrong way and that left a huge void and led to the growth of isis and led largely to the e enormous headache nightmare we're dealing with now in the middle east. >> once again with all due respect to george pataki who says this isn't about the past we never should have been in iraq in the first place. that's no small thing that president bush and vice
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president cheney led us into. secondly, in terms of how we got out, yes, isis is an enormous problem. at what point are we continuing to put young men and women in uniform in harm's way in iraq when we've got our own issues that we need to attend to at home. >> our issues got even bigger. they got even bigger. what do you think about it bill? i mean, it would be great if we could have a world without isis. and what some of these pundits tell us is we could have if only we had left behind a group of forces in iraq to maintain the gains that our troops had made. >> the pundit who is are say thag are pundits on the right who are just criticizing president obama to criticize president obama. the truth is iraq was only going to be a successful country if that government was able to stand of its own military and security force. the united states remained there with a presence helping to train iraqi soldiers, helping to form the government that they were using, but the truth is without strength and structure from within it was never going to
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work. it would be great if we lived in a world with no isis, but we don't. >> do you think we've become more isolationist under -- or noninterventionalist under president obama? >> i think president obama has been less willing to get into stupid wars than the previous administration. i think that is definitely for sure. but you cannot take away from the fact that he has taken some of the worst terrorists off the battlefield in yemen, pakistan afghanistan, osama bin laden is no longer a threat. and the things he's done through the drone program, through special forces. >> it would be nice if we could have interrogated some of those bad guys. >> oh, so is the criticism we shouldn't have taken them off the battlefield. >> take them off and put them in a prison where we can talk to them. don't you believe in interrogation and intelligence? general michael flynn on the program earlier this week saying it is not true we're still interrogating the bad guys. that is one of the critical ways in which we were able to keep the country safe for so many years is getting that intel.
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>> megyn, that on its face is so insane that he would say that we're no longer interrogating bad guys. of course we are still interrogating bad guys. that's what the cia does. that's what the folks in who are locked up right now are having happen to them. they're being interrogated. do we torture? no. because torture doesn't work. and because it doesn't help the united states's stature around the world. what the president is doing right now is he's of course doing everything he can to keep us safe. and the terrorists that we capture are getting interrogated. and the terrorists who have to be killed are being killed. and that's what's happening in the world. and that's how the president is keeping us safe. >> bill it's great to see you. thanks for coming on. >> good to see you, megyn. >> all the best. also tonight, controversy erupting after a convicted cop killer receives get well letters from 8-year-old third graders on the teacher's instructions. up next, greg gutfeld on the teacher who thought this was a great idea. plus, we'll have the story of why one major american university decided its students could not handle seeing the film
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me now. greg, this is sweet isn't it? >> yes when i was in third grade i remember we sent cards to old people. you know, in the rest home because they were lonely. >> right. >> and we would write these letters, visit them around easter. this is much better. i think this is such a better idea. go to a cop killer because i guess he's sick. >> he didn't feel well. >> he didn't feel well and they wanted to raise his spirits. but it gave me this great idea. we have get well cards why don't we have get sick cards? seriously. this guy deserves a get sick card. i'm not saying i hope you die, but i hope you get diarrhea, love greg. >> this is what he did. i mean, he looked that cop in the eye at point-blank range shot him in the face. >> uh-huh. >> and this is the reason why this nominee for the attorney general for the deputy attorney general position did not get the job because he had worked on the case and had defended him. and that was apparently enough to turn off the u.s. senate to him. and yet this teacher decides to take a bunch of 8-year-olds. >> right. >> who are still, you know,
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sleeping with stuffed animals in their love vis and hold them up as a hero. >> you know what, radical islam like this survives as long as it's removed from the crime. nobody who knew daniel faulkner is going to write a letter to his killer. so bad ideas can survive if they're immune from their consequences. so these people have the luxury of writing these letters or forcing these kids to write letters because they don't know the people that were killed. that's the most disgusting part about it. darling of the left. he is their rock star. >> he is. so moving on to the university of michigan which has just canceled a screening of "american sniper," the blockbuster movie. and instead decided to replace it with a much more palatable -- >> this is amazing. >> "paddington," which they think is more appropriate for university students. >> right. >> so once we called this to their attention saying really they said well, we're still going to screen it. but we want to screen it separately in sort of this safe zone. >> because the students are so
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fragile. there's one great hypocrisy here. the same students that feel unsafe or threatened by words or movie that are the same students in a protest would get in your face, that would show up at a brunch and yell at you. they're okay with invading your space but you can't come to campus because they might cry. but i think the university is trolling them. the fact they replaced a war movie with a teddy bear movie is saying this is the only thing you can handle. >> grow up. >> yeah. we're going to give you a teddy bear movie because you are wimps, you're pathetic, sad babies. >> they may be right. we covered this extensively when universities here in new york let the law students postpone their final exams because they were so traumatized by what they believed had happened in ferguson missouri which as it turns out is not at all what they thought happened. but law students who perceived an injustice could not function as law students because of the injustice. >> exactly. >> get the irony. >> they're going to do great in the real world. if you have kids these age, you've got to be happy.
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this is their competition, your kids are going to beat these kids. >> as a mother i feel pretty good. >> as a nonfather i feel the same way. >> feel good for my kids. so let's talk about harry reid. >> yes. >> who of course told the nation that mitt romney never paid taxes for ten years. and mitt romney lost maybe not directly attributable but it couldn't have helped. and yet another interview he doubles down. watch. >> i have no repentance because it was an issue that was important. >> it was too important. i had to do it because he had to lose. >> so if you can speculate about mitt's taxes and be wrong, you can speculate about how he got injured. harry reid got injured said he was injured exercising. >> who goes blind on a treadmill? >> i don't know, unless you work out really hard. but you're just raising questions like he did. you can raise any question as long as you're a jerk. his medical condition isn't his eye, it's that he's a jerk and it's incurable. >> you know what they say. >> what? >> in the land of the blind the one-eyed man is a king. >> that's a great thing. >> terrible time for him to
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retire. >> i think he could voice a cartoon for ghost cat. he has a really cool voice. like a little cartoon of ghost cat. maybe booboo something. >> i have to say i think the glasses make him look a little cooler. >> yes, yes, reservoir dogs. >> as big a jerk as ever. >> yeah. >> great to see you. south carolina is reportedly on edge tonight after a police officer there has now been charged with murder. we'll have a report from charleston next. bring us your aching and sleep deprived. bring us those who want to feel well rested. aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid... plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve.
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new developments tonight shooting of an unarmed black man by a white police officer. >> megyn, there's no question tensions are running high here in north charleston. 50-year-old walter scott gunned
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down by officer michael slager shot in the back multiple times as he fled after a routine traffic stop. protests here so far have been peaceful. and authorities are doing all they can to keep it that way. they turned the investigation over to an outside agency right away which after it saw that video immediately arrested officer slager on murder charges. the local police chief is urging everyone to allow the wheels of justice to turn. >> i have been praying for peace. peace for the family. and peace for this community. and i will continue to stand on that as i strive to protect and serve the people i took an oath to do so. >> two families are caught up in this tragedy the wife of officer slager is eight months pregnant. the mayor of north charleston said today out of decency the city will continue to insure her until the baby has been born even though her husband has been
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fired. the mayor has also met with members of scott's family described as upstanding members of the community and will do everything he can to help them through this. >> we will be there to support them for the funeral with a police escort to make sure that we get them moved properly and give them the utmost respect and the respect that the gentleman that is deceased deserves. >> reporter: the mayor said today he has received enough money to buy body cams for each and every member of the north charleston police force. that's more than 250. we also learned today that more videotape of the incident exists. more from the person who shot it on their smartphone. and then there was the dash cam from officer slager's car. megyn. >> we'll be right back. coming up on "hannity" at the top of the hour. >> i think i said a few weeks ago if obama were working for the other side, what would he be doing differently? we've just turned iran into a nuclear threshold state.
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let me know what you think of our interview with rand paul. getting a lot of feedback on that. thanks for watching everybody. i'm megyn kelly. this is "the kelly file." tonight. >> as a christian, i am supposed to love. >> once again president obama takes a shot at christians. >> sometimes when i listen to less than loving expressions by christians, i get concerned. >> mark steyn is here tonight with reaction. how do you define yourself? >> i like the words constitutional conservative, but more and more over the last three or four years i've come to believe that we need someone who stands up for the entire bill of rights. >> the great one, mark levin reacts to last night's exclusive interview with senator rand paul president obama attacks wisconsin governor scott walker for daring to criticize him. >> it would be a foolish approach to take. >> the governor tonight resp