have successfully missed all five -- all four seasons, and i can jump in on number five. bill: and you should -- martha: i know. bill: you should. check out the game of thrones and you have to master -- martha: you do. i have "mad men." "happening now" starts right now. bye, guys. eric and we start with a fox news alert, hillary clinton will make it official on sunday, and she will announce the 21st century way, by using social media. good morning, everyone, and welcome to "happening now." uma: mrs. clinton will apparently do it with a tweet a video and an e-mail. before some old-fashioned campaigning in iowa which holds the first contest of the presidential race. welcome to the both of you great to have you.

>> thank you for having me. uma: now that we know for sure this seems to be the direction, that sunday seems to be the big day for the announcement, what's your reaction jamie, to the fact that she wants to do it via social media? >> well, she was known at the state d. one thing to give her credit for at the state department was trying to modernize the social media revolution there. so it's kind of the thing that people are doing these days. even last week before rand paul announced he announced it on twitter. so this seems to be the new way to announce yourself through youtube or facebook or twitter. so it's not too surprising that she would announce on social media before making the announcement in person to a crowd in iowa. uma: once she does that, apparently, she's going to head to iowa and start some barnstorming campaigning that way, meeting and greeting people out there. jackie, when she tried to do in the first time around, she announced via her web site. she put a video announcement on there for the 2008 campaign.

obviously, she's savvy and hip to what's currently popular and wants to get that message out, hoping to reach a different demographic, perhapsment but at the same time, she knows it's going to take a lot more of her direct involvement if she hopes to win voters over who are not going to say, oh what another clinton winning again, you know? that type of thing? >> right. she has to introduce herself or to a brand new audience. there are a lot of people who are voters now who were very young during the clinton years. i think the interesting thing about her going to iowa first -- you'll remember she finished third in iowa the last time she ran -- and it's one of the only places where she could be vulnerable to a democratic challenge. governor martin o'malley has been there, former governor of maryland, jim webb has been there these other candidates and people in iowa want a contested primary. uma: interesting when you speak about iowa, a quinnipiac poll just recently focused on iowa,

colorado and virginia, and voters there said that they do not trust mrs. clinton, and they are concerned about her trustworthiness and her honesty. and that's something that picked up in the polling in this time around. jamie what do you think about that? >> i think she's more vulnerable than a lot of people thought when she was first considering running again in 2016. there was this narrative that since hillary clinton has been in public life for over 20 years that she has been thoroughly vetted and, therefore she would make a great candidate because there's no scandal that one could find in her record. what we've found in the last several months, there's a lot more to be vetted at the clinton foundation and her personal e-mails that were supposedly deleted. she is looking a lot more vulnerable now than she did, let's say, a year ago. and i think it may prompt a lot of candidates who were sitting on the sideline maybe not wanting to to the challenge the clinton juggernaut to reconsider and possibly consider a primary run against hillary clinton because, you know, she could

falter along these potential scandals that are out there. uma: you know, jack can key the luxury she had, of course is time with no major opponent challenging her at this point from the democratic primary. but once she gets this now, she can't pick and choose really when she wants to speak with reporters or if she doesn't want to speak with reporters or the public in general. she's going to have to be out there and have to be held accountable. >> well, right and that's one of the challenges. she's not really known as someone who can just get out there in the crowd and meet people. and it is difficult. she's had secret service protection for a really long time, so it'll be interesting to see how they really work that. they've also pledged to be better about the press and, you know, my fingers are crossed. i sure hope so. uma: hire people over there to try and soften her image a bit and they're putting quite a team together to get set for this big launch. thanks to the both of you for joining us, i know you're going to be watching closely this weekend. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. uma: all the best.

>> thank you. eric: and now we have news on fox news alert on those severe storms that ripped through the midwest overnight and a devastating tornado that has left one person dead in illinois. it also brought rising flood waters in indiana. the violent storms knocking down trees leaving thousands of people without power and take a look at this on the highway, a semi truck blown right off the road by the force of those winds. parts of the east coast should be in store for more of the same dangerous weather. we'll have video of that semi in just a moment. mike tobin standing by amid the damage in fairdale, illinois, just west of chicago south of rockford. hi mike. >> reporter: hi there erik. let me show you quick what's happening. we've got this row of power trucks coming in town as really moves onioned the search -- on beyond the search beyond the rescue efforts and it's all about the clean-up now, the

recovery. as we come over in this direction, i can show you some of the destruction. you can see the force of this tornado that rolled the car over in the field pinning it up against a tree. you can see all of these trees that were knocked over the insulation that was blown into the trees by the force of the storm stuck there just like the metal sheeting and what not. it looks like a tree that's been broken, that's a power pole that was snapped like a toothpick and right behind it it the tree that's knocked over. you can get a percent look into the center of town -- a better look into the center of town. it's a small town of about 200 people. everyone in this town knew each other, that is why they know the 67-year-old woman, geraldine schultz, who died in the storm. they knew her children, her grandchild. so when you look at all of this destruction can, you can see the physical toll of it, but you know very sadly that this community lost one of its own. today you have the national

weather service investigators who are on the scene here, and they're going to now try to assess the power of the storm and rank the tornado on the enhanced fujita scale, just part of what is happening out here, eric. mark: all right, thanks so much mike. joining us on the phone from rochelle, illinois is a sheriff, a victim of this tornado. he lost his home in the storm. sheriff, welcome to "happening now." our thoughts and prayers are with you and your family, of course, your community. you built this home yourself four years ago. what happened? were you home at the time? >> no i was at a neighboring jurisdiction at a law enforcement commission meeting. eric: what happened? how did you find out? >> well my brother-in-law and sister-in-law who live across the street called me and said that their house was gone and they assumed that mine was as well. eric: are they okay? >> yeah. everybody -- all the family's good, so we count our blessings. things can be replaced, and people can't, so we're very thankful. but, you know, blessed that all

the family's safe. eric: and no one no member of your family was injured when your home was destroyed? >> nope, no, no members of my family, no neighbors were injured, so it's quite the blessing for us. erin eric you're right, you know, lives matter so much and things and property can be replaced. how do you deal with this now the morning after and how does your community deal with the tef station you've suffered? >> we're a rural midwest community and hard work isn't anything that we're not used to so this morning we pulled our boots back on, and we went to work. eric: and are you watching out for more potential problems today? >> no, it's a beautiful spring today. nice and sunny. nothing like last night. eric: well that's good news. what was it like for you last night when started to rumble through? >> well like i said, i was in a neighboring jurisdiction, and i got the call from our 911 communicators that they had sounded the sirens because there was a tornado so i immediately headed back. like i said, while i was

enroute, my brother-in-law called me and said the house was gone so i knew there was no reason to go home. we came to our staging area and went to work. i finally made it back to my house about 5:00 this morning to see what little was left. eric: and when you go to work, what is your priority? what do you do first? how do you prioritize knowing in the back of your mind that your brother-in-law told you your house was gone? >> there wasn't anything i could do about it, so we went to work to help the people that needed help and, thank goodness, we had no loss of life and very few injuries in the corner. eric -- in the county. eric: thankful that no members of your family were hurt, of course one woman was killed in fairdale, so sheriff, we thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. eric: and to give you an idea, just take a look at this video. it's astounding. look at this highway shot as the tornado starts to come down. look at that. that semi just tips right over

because of the force of these winds, uma. you get an indication of how strong and powerless we can be when these things rumble right through, even pushing a semi over. and, of course, like the sheriff, sadly destroying a home and tragically causing death of the 67-year-old geraldine schultz. we've got to be careful. and listen to those seniors and the weather forecasters -- those sirens and the west forecasters. uma: ooh amazing video. and another video making news right now capturing the minutes before officer michael slager shot and killed walter scott. the state law enforcement division releasing slager's dash cam footage showing the initial traffic stop. john roberts following this story all week long, joining us live from north charleston south carolina. john? >> reporter: good morning to you. this certainly does not answer all the questions but the dash cam certainly does show us the very earliest moments of the

confrontation and the fact that walter scott seemed to have a real determination to flee police. this is saturday morning. officer michael slager pulls walter scott over for a burned-out taillight in his car two vehicles pull into a parking lot. slager then approaches scott and asks him for his license, his registration and his insurance. scott says that he is in the process of buying the vehicle, that it's not actually his yet, and he won't have those papers until monday. when slager goes back to his patrol car to run his driver's license scott tries to get out of the car to speak to slager. slager orders him to get back in the vehicle. moments after that scott opens the door and bolts across the road to a wooded area. slager is in hot pursuit, he calls his dispatcher to say he's chasing, we hear slager yell taser taser, taser. a scuffle ensues there's a lot of yelling, then silence.

but we do not on the dash cam video hear the eight shots that took the life of walter scott. people are asking why did he run? his family said he was delinquent in chorals payments going all the way back to 2012 and there was a bench warrant out for his arrest. a lot of people who are delinquent on child support payments end up going to jail after routine traffic stops. there are reports to the contrary, but these court documents clearly, clearly show there was an active bench warrant out for his arrest at the time he was killed. community members who gathered here last night say that walter scott should not have died because he was afraid of going to jail for child support payments. >> when a man is running because of child support payments, do you think that is, do you think that really he was called -- gunned down because of child support payments? should there be more legislation on saying, hey wait a minute,

there's other ways of getting that money. >> reporter: protest leaders last night appealed to the city council to create a citizens review board with subpoena power to have oversight over the police, and we may learn more from a witness who was in the car next to him. police momentarily detained that person, patted him down. we don't know much more about that person. a spokesperson for the family says there was somebody in that car, but they don't even know who it was. uma: wow. thank you so much for that update. eric: chaos near the nation's capitol. coming up, we'll tell you about the gunman who fatally shoots a security guard at the census bure e owe. we'll have a live report. then restaurant employees shaken up after an attempted armed robbery. take a look at this, we'll have the details. and we want to hear from you, hillary clinton expected to announce she is running for president making that tweet, we are told, on sunday. would you consider voting for her? will twice be nice or will she strike out again? our live chat is up and running,

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uma: welcome back, everybody. right now here are some of the latest crime stories we're following at this hour. change of venue requests for 16-year-old phillip chism who's accused of raping and killing his high school math teacher back in october of 2013. his lawyers are saying they will ask the judge for a change of venue, claiming he cannot get a fair trial in massachusetts due to the media coverage there. police in colorado searching for this man wanting in a armed robbery of a sonic restaurant. the man apparently demanding money before waving a happened gun. he fled -- handgun. he fled without getting any cash. and in washington state, a family's missing cabin stolen off its foundation has now been found. the cabin was found about 10

miles from his original location. investigators think whoever took this cabin was also living in it. eric: deadly violence near our nation's capitol last night. a security guard was shot and killed outside the u.s. census bureau. when a guard approached a suspect's car near the front gates he's now in custody after leading police many on a wild chase -- on a why would chase. peter doocy is now life in suitland, maryland. hi peter. >> reporter: hi, eric. there was a two hour delay for nonessential employees here at the census this morning. that just expired, but authorities are still trying to figure out what exactly happened last night in the moments just before and just after a security guard, lawrence buckner, was shot and killed just steps away from where we are standing. we know that a car stopped somewhere around here. a man and a woman he is believed to have just kidnapped were

arguing inside. buckner came to see what the problem was and was then shot by the driver who then peeled out toward the d.c. line about two miles away. a gunfight on wheels followed for a few miles and then this: >> this was an exchange of gunfire between mpd and and the suspect. right now we have an mpd officer who was struck by gunfire, he is at an area hospital, and we know the suspect has been struck. i don't know conditions on either. >> reporter: the word from the department of homeland security is that this senseless act of violence reminds us of the risks the men and women who work on the front lines to protect our federal facilities and so many across the department of homeland face every day and, eric, we still do not know the identity of in this man believed to have kidnapped a woman shot a d.c. police officer and murdered a security guard here, lawrence buckner, last night. back to you. eric: all right peter.

this comes, of course, after that bizarre incident at the nsa headquarters the other week, so it reminds us of the brave actions that the law enforcement authorities take. thank you. uma? uma: well, eric, crews diving below the surface after a car carrying a family of four plunges into the los angeles harbor. what investigators are saying about this deadly crash. and just moments ago 47 victims of the fort hood shooting awarded the purple heart and defense of freedom medals. but what is our government doing to insure their health benefits? >> so the bullet hit me in the abdomen, went into my abdomen -- sorry. tried to play dead for a while because there was no way to get out of the room.

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uma: we are back. and right now a 13-year-old boy is dead and an 8-year-old boy in critical condition after authorities say their parents' car drove off the road, crashing into the los angeles harbor. divers pulling the boys out of the water after finding them trapped inside the car some 30 feet below the surface. the parents managing to swim to safety. authorities say the crash is being investigated as an accident. eric: and we have a fox news alert, we have been reporting about the victims of the fort hood shooting rampage. they're finally getting the recognition and honor they so richly deserve. the purple heart ceremony took place at the same military post this morning where major nidal hasan, remember him? opened fire back this 2009 killing 13 people and wounding dozens of others in that rampage. until just two months ago this past february, the obama administration called that

attack workplace violence and not an act of terrorism which would give the victims the medal and the benefits that it brings with it. for more on this we're joined by retired air force colonel, chairman of the military law group and managing partner at the law firm tully -- [inaudible] colonel, good to see you this morning. it was a deeply emotional and meaningful ceremony. what is the significance to you that the victims of this horrible incident now have been eligible for the purple heart? >> eric, thank you for this opportunity to join you today. it is deeply symbolic, first of all, to the family members of the victims that died, the 13 victims who were killed. it's also symbolic to the survivors who were injured, 32 who were injured, both military members and civilians. so at a very personal level, when those military members agreed to support and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, never they imagined they would

take a bullet at fort hood. yet they have they survived it and now our country has recognized their sacrifice. the second symbolism is perhaps even more deeper in that it is characterizing the changing nature of warfare that we face with this global war on terrorism, with the internationally-sponsored terrorism that influenced, for example, major hassan to engage in these terroristic acts which are now leer chaoly reck -- clearly remembering -- recognized as terrorist. eric: this was a terrorism attack not workplace violence. so now the law was changed, as you say, after nidal was recognized just two months ago to give the purple heart and the military honors to those who are wounded or killed in the war on terror. incal islamic terrorist attacks that we've seen in this country stretching now, colonel, over 25 years.

>> indeed. and, you know, the criteria for the purple heart -- and this is, you know, deeply revered award and decoration tracing its history back to 1783 when george washington wanted to recognize and, frankly, only three enlisted men that we can find historically were awarded this medal of merit, a purple badge in the shape of a heart, that gave them distinct honors. and listen then in world war ii in 1942, this modern purple heart was authorized and allowed for those who were wounded or killed in combat against enemies that required medical treatment to receive the purple heart. until this recent legislation, the national defense authorization act of 2015, this was not allowed to be awarded for victims of international terrorism. the congress allowed this, the president signed it into law, and now the secretary of the army has gone through and recognized this sacrifice.

truly important truly significant and does note the changing face of warfare for not only our military members but also the civilians and civilian contractors who are closely alined with them. for example -- aligned with them. for example the physician's assistant who tragically gave his life charging major hasan to try to prevent additional killing on his part. eric: you know, we all as americans must honor and never forget them for their a sacrifice whether they are killed or wounded because of this. finally, colonel why do you think it took the administration so long? six years to come out and finally classify this potentially, you know, as a terrorist attack. >> well, that's a policy call question. i mean, candidly it's a matter of the debate between the president as the commander in chief and head of the executive branch which the military falls under and then congress who authorizes and appropriates for the military. so here we finally had congress pass the act allowing the purple

heart to be awarded the president has signed it the policy call still remains to be made. for example, catherine herridge from your own news network has reported today that a sergeant manning has been denied benefits with his physical identification board. we would hope the army would turn that around but candidly, there's a policy call the secretary of the army can make to use extraordinary and emergency expense authority to provide additional financial support. general keane has already indicated that we take care of our purple heart recipients. we take care of them medically, financially. our country owes a debt to those soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines who have sacrificed their life or their body for our country. i see those at fort hood as being no different than those such as our founding partner, matt tully, who was injured in a car pom attack in afghanistan --

car bomb attack in afghanistan in 2012. we have 32 surviving victims 13 families mourning the loss of their loved ones at fort hood. clearly, they deserve some benefits. i would hope that the administration and congress would work together to take care of our veterans. erik, that is the -- eric: that is the challenge. colonel, thank you so much. we are forever in their debt, and we will not forget. thank you. >> thank you, eric. uma: we are now learning the name of that u.s. army specialist killed this week in afghanistan. department of defense officials saying the attack apparently taking place when an afghan national army soldier turned traitor on his american allyings. the victim, 22-year-old john m. dawson who died after he was hit by small arms fire. the massachusetts native is reportedly the first u.s. service member killed as part of the advise and assist mission that began on january 1st. as the afghan military takes over security of their nation. eric: we know about the

provocative actions from vladimir putin and russia sparking echoes of the cold war. why one top pentagon official says what's happening from moscow is sending a message to us, the u.s. and the race for the or white house suddenly heating up this weekend with reports that hillary clinton, yep, well, you know, she's running. duh. [laughter] this weekend. uma: you think? eric: we're told it's going to happen on sunday. our media panel will take a closer look at what this means with hillary finally being in. [ male announcer ] some come here to build something smarter. ♪ ♪ some come here to build something stronger. others come to build something faster... something safer... something greener. something the whole world can share. people come to boeing to do many different things. but it's always about

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eric: right now a quick look at what's still to come on "happening now" in our next hour. hillary clinton about to get into the presidential race, fox news confirming she will make that announcement on sunday, doing it on social media. so how will the news media treat the clip -- clinton campaign? and a dramatic rescue caught on camera a 70-year-old grandmother and her two grandchildren slipping down a steep hillside. and what qualifies a pet as a service dog? coming up as we see more dog owners bringing their dog into places where pets are not usually allowed to go. uma: a u.s. admiral says russia is sending a message to washington by increasingly flying long range bombers closer to the american shores. finish national security consider respondent jennifer griffin reporting live from the pentagon with the latest. >> reporter: in fact, the nordic countries are so concerned about these russian flights probing their air space,

the kind of activity they haven't seen since the cold war they announced today they are extending a military alliance to counter russia as the u.s. commander tasked with defending p the homeland says the russian military is as strong as ever. >> have adopted a far more -- p developed a far more capable military than the quantity tautive, the very large military that the soviet union had. at the same time, they are messaging us. they're a global -- they're messaging us that they're a global power. >> reporter: admirable bill gortney also told reporters this week he is concerned and tracking two russian navy ship one which recently departed venezuela and the other a russian intelligence ship shown here which has been harbored in havana, cuba. nato is so concerned about russians spying on the alliance that it has decided to limit the number of russian so-called

diplomats based at nato headquarters in yous else. right now -- else. former nato supreme allied commander general wes clark recently returned from ukraine and is warning of a new spring offensive in ukraine that he believes could start after this sunday. >> you can predict the next russian offensive, and they're citing it as following orthodox easter and most probably before ve day on 9, may. >> reporter: all of this coming as it was revealed this week that russian hackers linked to the government penetrated the state department e-mail system last october and gaped access to the -- gained access to the white house computers as well. uma: russia making some very provocative moves there. jeber jennifer, thank you very much. eric: and hillary clinton, as we've been reported set to announce her candidacy for

president, we're told, on sunday. you know ted cruz rand paul already are officially in the race. marco rubio set to announce on monday. whether democrat or republican at one time or the other all the candidates deal with the media hostile and friendly. reporters love a presidential campaign. so will hillary's be heatedly watched and how will they treat her? here's our media panel. joined by judy miller, reporter author and fox news contributor and lynn sweet, washington bureau chief for the "chicago sun-times". lynn and judy, welcome. judy let me start with you. is the mainstream media is it going to be a love fest or are they going to start taking pot shots at her? >> no, i don't think it's going to be a love fest. hillary clinton has had an extremely testy relationship with the press for a long, long time. she is a known commodity and this latest e-mail furor is not going to get her campaign off to a great start. i mean, i know she's promised a reset, as i hesitate to call it,

with reset with the press, but she is just not as warm and cuddly and sympathetic as her husband. she is a very different kind of politician and the press react differently to her. so i don't think she's going to have a cake walk, nor do i think she should, because there are a lot of questions that have to be raised about her foundation about contributions to that foundation, continuing questions about all of the trey gowdy/benghazi issues and the e-mails which will not go away. i don't think she's in for an easy time at all. eric: lynn, do you think the mainstream media's going to hold her feet to the fire? >> absolutely. you will not see a repeat of what happened after barack obama announced where a lot of the mainstream media swooned over him. but then again, he didn't have much of a record to look at. as judy is saying, there is a lot to look at. and here's what i think, even though some of these stories may seem like things we've heard of, there's a generation that did not grow up with the clinton

administration in the '90s. and like it or not, i am sure that the clinton team is bracing for a rehash of everything, not only the current items that judy talked about, but other things in the past that may get a second look. in a presidential campaign, everything old is new again. eric: you know, it's fascinating, i traveled with him in 1992 as a fox news reporter judy, and she was stand offish, she did not seem to like the media. and i've also seen her in other situations where she was warm and friendly, and that actually surprised me having only seen that public face. how does she transform, and she from that one hillary to the other to make her more likable? >> well, i think that's going to be the great challenge for hillary. and you can see that she's hired a lot of younger advisers and pollsters and people who do social media because they're trying to figure out how to transform a woman who basically has insisted on a zone of privacy even though she was a very public person. how do you transform her into a

sympathetic, a warm person that so many of her friends say she really is if only you get to know her? the problem is in our high hi mediatized environment is the image of her and what she said in that disastrous u.n. press meeting. she needs the campaign to start she needs some professional advisers because that did not go well. eric: lynn, do you think that's going to work? do you think we'll see what some say is the real hillary clinton? is it possible? >> i've seen that. i've been around for a number of years where i've seen her up close and she is a warm person when you are dealing with her outside of a work, out of a press conference can or something. she has -- when i've seen her in her years in the senate, you could go up to her ask a question just like other senators. so it's there. i think one of the reasons she's having a social media launch is that they want to just have her

go talk to people and let her, let hillary be hillary and not have to go into a buzz saw right away. but we know it's coming. there's probably more political media out there in 2016 than there has been at any other time. >> right. [laughter] eric: that is true. lynn, thank you so much. >>, judy we want to cob congratulate late you, a new book. go on amazon -- >> judy, i'm reading it right now. eric: a reporter's journey. it's a chronicle of judy's life and career in journalism, 25 years at the new york times pulitzer prize expertise on war, terrorism, the our wrap world, of course, serving -- arab world, of course serving some 80-odd days for journalistic principle. judy, congratulations. wonderful read. >> thank you very much. eric: what do you want people to get from the book? >> that you always have to go back and ask the questions. if you think you know the story, you probably don't. [laughter]

eric: that's a great journalistic mantra. judy, congratulations. >> thanks very much. eric: uma? uma: deliberations continue in the murder trial of former new england patriot aaron hernandez, why one of our next guests says we could end up with a hung jury. if you're running a business legalzoom has your back. over the last 10 years we've helped one million business owners get started. visit legalzoom today for the legal help you need to start and run your business. legalzoom. legal help is here.

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♪ and help protect your identity your money, and your credit. ♪ eric: so what's ahead on "outnumbered" at the top of the hour? hi guys. >> hi, eric. well, sources tell fox hillary clinton will finally announce her white house run this sunday, but it comes as she faces multiple new challenges from within her own party. just how inevitable is she? >> plus, outrage as a teacher has her third graders writing get well cards to a convicted cop killer. how does that happen? >> and empty cribs why are fewer women having children these days, and what does it mean for our economy and our american culture? >> we're going to tell you why. all that -- >> exactly. >> plus our #oneluckyguy at the

top of the hour. eric: you didn't tell me who he is so i'll have to wait for ten minutes. >> we'll surprise you. ♪ ♪ uma: all right. we're awaiting a verdict in the murder trial of former new england patriots' player aaron hernandez on day four of deliberations as jurors decide whether to convict hernandez of the murder of semipro player odin lloyd back in 2013. let's bring in fred tecce. gentlemen, nice of you here. >> thanks for having me. uma: obviously the jury is still out but, eric, you say you think there could be a hung jury on this one. >> i think they have a decent chance. the prosecution tried to throw everything into the pot tried to confuse the jury but the great thing about a confused jury on the defense side is that some people don't want to convict. they may not be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt because they may not understand all the information, and they may feel that it's just overkill. they don't have a murder weapon,

they don't have a motive, so i think there's a decent chance for it. uma: so you think it's because of all the overwhelming information they have to consider and all the testimony that it's going to be too much and they're going to say, you know, forget it? >> sometimes it is because it looked like the prosecution didn't have a chase so they -- a case so they just threw everything, including the kitchennen sink, at the jury. let's make you listen to this case for several weeks, dozens of witnesses, days and days of testimony. it just seems like too much which means they just did not have enough. juries want they want a motive, they want a smoking gun. they don't even have a gun at all in this case which i believe this will help this young man, aaron hernandez, get a hung jury or maybe even a not guilty. it wouldn't shock me. uma: so, fred why is motive not a factor here? >> a couple things. it pains me as a former prosecutor to agree with a great defense lawyer like eric i think you may get a hung jury here. the prosecution has to play the

cards it's dealt. you have to present the evidence you have. and yes, there was a lot of evidence, but i think the problem in this case is it's a circumstantial case, and if you want the jury to kind of connect the dots, you need to give them a motive. i know every legal scholar will tell you motive is not an element of the crime of murder but if you want the jury to convict this guy in this case, then you need to have a motive. and the last thing is let's not forget, the guy is a celebrity. fortunately or unfortunately he kind of comes into court cloaked with that celebrity status, and i think it may help him. uma: you say he's a celebrity, of course, but we're supposed to be dealing with a jury that's impartial, eric. >> are well, we try to get a jury that's ill pardon me, but the -- impartial, but the truth is people pay attention to who someone is, how they look, what they wear all those factors come into play. and here's a super rich, great looking guy who they're trying to say why would this guy kill anyone? so i think they have a very

upmountain type of climb that they have to do, actually. uma: okay. waiting for that verdict to come in and when it does, of course, we'll bring you that news and the latest developments surrounding that case. gentlemen, thank you so much for weighing in today. eric a dramatic rescue unfolding after a grandmother and two grandkids slip and slide 150 feet down to the remote banks of a river. plus, you know, service dogs are welcome to go, you see them in the shopping mall where normal pets don't go. but what does = a pet -- qualify a pet as a service animal? ♪ ♪

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uma: welcome back, everybody. well, take a look. dramatic rescue footage caught on camera after a grandmother and her two grandchildren slipped down a steep river bank. they fall 150 feet down to the white river in washington state, and then that's where they get stuck. rescue crews eventually reaching them and using ropes to get a harness to lower the woman to a raft floating in the river. authorities are saying she suffered minor injuries, but that she and the youngsters will be okay. so that's good news. eric: good news. well you know, people sure love their dogs, and pooches, as you know, can be part of the family. but have you noticed lately a lot of dog owners are bringing their pets to places they have not usually been allowed to go? william la jewish i necessary is in santa monica california with a guest. hi william. >> reporter: everyone loves their dogs and you like to take them everywhere, but, of course, you can't.

some owners ignore the law. by law neither carl nor his friend piper, are allowed in restaurants or groceries, and many like it that way. >> the hair fluffing around, the dander and if they had an accident, it wouldn't be very good. >> they shouldn't be allowed in grocery stores unless they're service dogs because you never know how they've going to react. >> reporter: but thousands ignore the law and merchants look the other way. to prove it we did some shopping. this café a waiter actually welcomed carl with a pat on the head. problem is, dogs are not as clean as they look. >> bacteria pathogens that can be carried by dogs on the fur. >> reporter: california health departments are filled with complaints of dogs inside food stores partially because owners falsely claim their dogs are service animals, forcing confused workers to reluctantly to ask the only two questions they're allowed:

>> is that your service animal for your disability? what kind of work or task has your animal been trained for? >> and trained is really the keyword. >> reporter: fake service dogs make it twice as difficult for those who really need assistance. >> it really does make me question the integrity of some people, because, you know i didn't go blind so that i can take my dog with me everywhere. >> reporter: you know, so the solution, according to the service industry -- service dog industry -- is that there be a placard for a dog issued by a state agency so merchants can know what to ask for, eric. carl does not -- is not a service dog. he's just my best friend. [laughter] eric: tell me about carl. he's a member of your family. >> reporter: yeah, he is. carl is a 2-year-old doberman, and he's fairly well behaved, but he's still kind of an adolescent, so we get lucky. eric: he can do a sit down. there he goes.

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>> we will be back in one hour. >> "outnumbered" starts now. >> this is "outnumbered" on a friday. i am andrea tantaros. and look who is visiting today. host of money with melissa francis melissa francis, kirsten powers and ainsley earhardt is here and one lucky guy today we welcome to the couch former intelligent agent chris plante. for the first time you are out numbered. >> yes, i am. >> actually you and