we'll see bret's special on that tomorrow night yeah. bill: and the news continues with "happening now." our colleagues, jon and jenna, take it now. we'll see you tomorrow. jenna: and we start off with a fox news alert. the white house announcing a counterterror operation on the afghanistan/pakistan border accidentally killed two innocent hostages in january, an american and an italian, both aid workers held by al-qaeda. good morning, everybody i'm jenna lee. jon: lots of details to get to and still some questions about this strike. jenna: absolutely. jon: president obama expressing sorrow and offering condolences to the families of the two men. american doctor warren weinstein and giovanni lo porto an italian aid worker. also killed in a separate strike was adam gadahn, the american who became a prominent media adviser for al-qaeda and had been on a target list for a decade or more. peter doocy live at the white

house with more details for us. peter? >> reporter: the words that we heard from the podium in the last hour like painful, cruel and bitter are not words that you normally hear from an american president. but president obama is taking responsibility and saying sorry to the families of two innocent hostages killed by an american drone; american warren weinstein and italian giovanni lo porto. >> i profoundly regret what happened. on behalf of the united states government, i offer our deepest apologies to the families. as soon as we determined the cause of their deaths, i directed that the existence of this operation be declassified and disclosed publicly. i did so because the weinstein and lo porto families deserve to know the truth. >> reporter: the anguished family of warren weinstein is now responding with a statement. quote: we were so hopeful that those in the u.s. and pakistani governments with the power to

take action and secure his release would have done everything possible to do so and there are no words to do justice to the disappointment and heartbreak we are going through. meanwhile civil rights activists already responding to this and they are dismayed. the aclu has tweeted this drone operation was declassified for public discussion, says president obama not true of virtually all other strikes killing civilians. now, our sources at the pentagon say president obama did not personally order the strike that killed these two innocent hostages as well as one known american al-qaeda operative, ahmed farouq, on the border in january. president obama says that the process that led to this tragic and deadly drone strike was consistent with the way that the pentagon always evaluates and executes strikes against terror targets with drones. jon? jon: the thorpe think issues -- thorny issues that can arise

with these drone strikes. peter doocy, thank you. we have a couple of good guests coming up to give us more information about what happened here. jenna: look forward to that. in the meantime, one of our other big stories, the iranian ships in the water near yemen changing course now. pentagon officials ships were bringing weapons to the houthi rebels. some, like the president say the goal of the group was simply to keep the waterways open. others say the intention was to shadow, perhaps, intervene with the iranians. our national security correspondent, jennifer griffin is live at the pentagon with more details. what are you learning about where the iranian on soy is right now as we speak? >> reporter: well, jeb that, multiple sources confirm to us that the iranian convoy appears to have reversed course and is now headed northeast in the arabian sea in the direction of home. pentagon officials say the convoy is now located in the waters south of to oman still

being trawled by the -- trailed by the uss theodore roosevelt. seven cargo ships and two trig dates originally steaming to the entrance of the red sea. this reversal, of course appears to be good news say pentagon official, but they express caution saying this isn't over yet and insisted the roosevelt will maintain observation on the convoy. >> the principal goal of this operation is to maintain freedom of navigation and free flow of commerce in the gulf of aden and the red sea. >> i've seen a lot of confusion. if we're putting an aircraft carrier, you know, in the gulf of yemen to block against iranian warships that are coming into that area and yet we're still sitting at a table cutting a deal on nuclear weapons there's something wrong with that picture. >> reporter: we have also

learned that white house officials encouraged the saudis to halt their air campaign against the hugh thinks in yemen -- houthis in yemen. those have started up again, and the houthis, we're told, have surrounded the port of aden from three sides. jenna: an important part of the world to watch moving ahead. speaking of strategy we understand that the defense secretary, secretary carter, has announced a new cyber strategy. what can you tell us about that? why is it important to watch today? >> reporter: well, defense secretary carter is out in silicon valley today. he will be giving a speech at stanford in which he will lay out for the first time that the u.s. military plans to use cyber warfare as an option of war against u.s. enemies. a33-page strategy will be released today by the pentagon. it's the first time the pentagon has talked openly about its offensive cyber capabilities. u.s. officials are hoping this transparency will deter u.s. enemies, jenna. jenna: okay. a lot to watch at the pentagon,

jennifer, thank you. jon: and continuing on with our top story now u.s. counterterrorism operations that left two innocent hostages dead. lisa curtis, of the heritage foundation keeps an eye on some of these kinds of issues and joins us now. lisa apparently the united states had absolutely no idea that the two hostages warren weinstein, the american included, were part or were being held at this location? >> yes. this is an absolute tragedy. warren weinstein, who had been an aid contractor in pakistan, humanitarian worker kidnapped in 2011 was killed inadvertently in this drone strike. it looks like they knew it was an al-qaeda compound, but they did not know that weinstein and another italian hostage were also present. they were being hidden in this al-qaeda compound. so this is an absolute tragedy. our hearts go out to the

families of the victims and, you know, unfortunately this is not a precise science, using drone strikes. the drone strikes have allowed us to degrade al-qaeda's leadership prevent terrorist attacks against the u.s., but this is one of those terrible situations in which the intelligence was not precise and, unfortunately, two innocents were killed. jon: i guess we got so accustomed to, you know, successful raids -- i'm talking about in-person raids like the kind that took down usama bin laden -- that also was in pakistan not far from the afghan/pakistan border. the president said they had determined that that kind of raid was not possible here. what makes that determination, do you know? >> oh, you know, there's all kinds of things that they have to consider. you know, can they put boots on

the ground, are they able to keep them, you know, relatively safe from harm without killing the hostages. there have been several situations where rescue operations that did involve boots on the ground, u.s. boots on the ground resulted in the killing of the hostages. so, you know, there are all things that they have to consider, and not least of which is the lives of the hostagings. so, you know, i think they were probably constantly evaluating, you know, how good was their intelligence, could they do a rescue operation. and obviously, they did not have good intelligence on where these hostages were, or this deadly drone strike would not have been launched on this compound. so i think we have to acknowledge that the intelligence was just not good in this case. jon: in fact the pentagon is saying they had near certainty that warren weinstein and giovanni were not at that

location. the president, we are told, did not personally order the drone strike. it was carried out under what's called a normal policy, the normal drone strike policy. the president, however did take responsibility this morning. listen. >> as president and as commander in chief, i take full responsibility for all our counterterrorism operations including the one that inadvertently took the lives of warren and giovanni. i profoundly regret what happened. on behalf of the united states government i offer our deepest apologies to the families. jon: and yet, you know, despite the deaths of those two innocent hostages, this otherwise would have been considered a successful strike. i mean, adam gadahn -- and he was killed in a separate strike, i should add -- adam gadahn is a guy the united states has been going after for years. >> yeah. adam gadahn was killed in a separate drone strike within the

same week in the same area and yes, he was a mayor propagandist for al-qaeda he, you know was seen in several videos calling for attacks against america. so that was a successful strike. but also we must add that in the strike that inadd inadvertently killed the hostages they killed ahmed farouq who was also a u.s. citizen and who had been the deputy leader of al-qaeda in the indian subcontinent. this is a branch of al-qaeda that had attempted a hijacking of a pakistani naval vessel last september. so this is a very dangerous organization a threat to both the u.s. as well as pakistan. and so, you know, what we can say is the drone strikes have been effective in degrading al-qaeda's leadership. they have probably saved countless not only u.s., but other innocent lives from al-qaeda's attacks.

but in this case unfortunately, two innocent lives were taken and we're all deeply regretful of this. jon: condolences, obviously, to the families of those two hostagings. lisa curtis from the heritage foundation, thanks for sharing your information with us. >> thank you. jenna: we're hearing a little bit from the weinstein family as well. there's quite a long statement. in part, his wife saying we cannot even given to express the pain our family's going through, and we ask ask for the respect of our privacy. more on that family's statement talking a lot about the u.s. government as well as the pakistani government and what mr. weinstein was actually doing in pakistan. we'll make sure to bring that all to you throughout the next hour or more here on fox news. in the meantime another big political story today. more questions swirling about hillary clinton as new allegations link the clinton foundation's foreign donors to her work at the state department. with three major newspaperses -- what three major newspapers just

uncovered and the impact it could have on her presidential campaign. we'll tell you about that. also, six suspected gang members in custody. why they're accused of fatally shooting a south carolina couple in their homement

jon: there are some new twists and turns right now on the clinton money trail with the fallout intensifying over allegations in the soon to be released book "clinton cash." hillary clinton's presidential campaign is blasting back. her spokesman saying there is not one shred of evidence to suggest mrs. clinton took action as secretary of state to support interests of donors to the clinton talk foundation. with three major newspapers -- "the new york times" the washington postand the wall street journal -- all featuring headline stories today with their own analysis of public records, state department documents and foundation disclosures. joining us now, richard goodstein, democratic political

consultant and former adviser to hillary clinton for president in 2008 rich lowry is also with us, editor of "national review" and a fox news contributor. rich it should be pointed out that there is no hard evidence, as the newspapers say that any of hillary clinton's actions affected these deals or that these deals affected hillary clinton's actions but a lot of people would say where there's smoke there's fire. how do you see it? >> well, there's no evidence of any quid pro e quo, but in no universe should it be okay for people around a company with the u.s. government about to make a decision extremely important to its existence and bottom line, to give money to a foundation and curry favor with the spouse of a secretary of state. it's clearly an appearance of a conflict of interest, and hillary's defenders want to say oh, this is all a right-wing smear machine, these are the

three most respected newspapers in the country that have taken this story up because it's a legitimate news story and there's a legitimate public interest involved here. jon: richard you're here because you are obviously a hillary clinton supporter. is this a right-wing smear machine? >> well, the fellow who wrote this book was a speech writer for george w. bush, and a lot of what he's said over the years has been retracted. but that's not the problem here. the problem as i see it is that the more that whether it's the e-mails or this foundation business, the more this is put out there, the stronger hillary clinton gets in the polls. cnn had a poll out today, the last one a month ago before the e-mail scandallings had her up over bush and everybody else by 12 13 points. today it's 13, 24 points over ted cruz. and what happens is it's an irresistible story. i understand. they're up in new hampshire, the republicans all they're doing

is going after hillary and guess what the public sees? a bunch of people who aren't talking about what they care about, and hillary clinton. so i don't wish her ill. i mean, look, i don't -- i think what these papers are doing is seizing upon this book coming out, and they're trying to break some news. but there has been nothing zero that connects these various dots to anything that hillary clinton has done. and the people who are right in the middle of this have said she didn't intervene one iota. so, you know the notion that we're getting money from suspect characters or countries to help fund aids, malaria and climate change research, that would be a scam if we were actually trying to do that. that's what's happening here. [laughter] >> let's unpack a few things there. everyone would agree hillary clinton's numbers on honesty and trustworthiness have taken a hit, and it's because of these kinds of stories. and if you look at "the new york times" story it's several thousand words it's extensively researched. this is not a partisan hit job

and it unearths several things that should be disturbing to everyone, including the clinton's did not abide by the rule they had cut with the obama administration about how these donations would be treated because they didn't disclose for some reason, these donations which, obviously, would have been extremely embarrassing then and are extremely embarrassing now. and in terms of the clinton foundation doing good work, sure it does plenty of good work. you know what? the red cross does plenty of good work as well. why aren't these politically-connected businesses why aren't they going to the red cross instead of the clinton foundation? they know there might be the added benefit of currying political influence. and it's not just that they're giving to good works. the washington post story is about how these same people would give to the foundations and then they'd bill clinton hire bill clinton to speak for $500,000. jon: rich, you said, essentially these aren't the kinds of issues that american

voters are deeply concerned about, but i think if you went to most american voters and said that vladimir putin in effect, through this russian company is now controlling about 20% of the uranium that is mined in america i think that would have a lot of people pretty upset and that's the allegation -- that's the suggestion of what has happened here. >> right. jon: in today's reporting. >> right. so putin we actually looked at him through slightly different colored glasses than we did when george bush said he looked into his soul and saw what did he say about him? it was kind of positive. he's a different guy now. yes i think jon, you're right people wouldn't like it. the nuclear regulatory commission says that everything that putin has his hands on that's in the u.s. is staying in the u.s. i think some of it went back to canada and then came back to the u.s. all the evidence is nothing untoward is happening with this stuff. does it have a bit of a stink? yeah, sure it does.

at the end of the day, i don't totally disagree with what rich said about how this is affecting hillary. you put all these things occupant people, of course are going to react negatively at some level. but the polls suggest they want her to be president by bigger and bigger and bigger numbers so what does that tell you? [laughter] >> i guess this is her campaign to sweep to the white house by having embarrassing stories -- >> it's true. i mean, you can't discorrelate it it's happening. >> i guess it's worked before, right richard? jon: thr stories in three of the major american newspapers on the same day. it is something we'll continue to watch. richard rich, thank you guys. keep it right here on fox for more on the clinton money trail. bret baier anchors a fox news information. you saw part of it last hour, "the tangled clinton web," tomorrow night 10 p.m. it is a closer look at how rich the clintons came post-white house. it will feature an exclusive look at the new book "clinton

cash." jenna: 100,000 tons of diplomacy what our next guest calls the dispatch in the waters off yemen. we'll talk about the convoy and the new rule in the u.s. of the middle east. ♪ you're only young once. unless you have a subaru. (announcer) the subaru xv crosstrek. symmetrical all-wheel drive plus 34 mpg. love. it's what makes a subaru a subaru.

jon: right now some crime stories we're following. it's the third day in testimony in the sentencing phase of the boston marathon bombing trial. prosecutors say dzhokhar star vief say he deserves -- star five says he deserves the death penalty. six people charged in the shooting death of a husband and wife in south carolina. prosecutors say the couple was killed to prevent the husband from testifying against gang members. the husband, doug london, fired at three men last may when they tried to rob his mattress store. a few months later london and

his wife were shot dead in their home. a california man known as the mrs. doubtfire bank robber is now in custody. when police searched his car they found evidence including a purse and a locket that linked him to a bank robbery in santa cruz. jenna: some news from the middle east now. the iranian convoy reportedly carrying weapons for rebels they back in yemen has apparently turned around. sources confirming to fox news that the convoy has reversed course after the u.s. sent an aircraft carrier to the region. the president suggested the uss roosevelt was there to keep navigation routes open after other senior officials said the ship was to intercept the iranians if needed. despite the mixed messages the end result appears to be a change in direction by the iranians but our next guest says there's something else to consider with that. as we take a look at the cause and effect our next guest says when it come toss what we do in the middle east and why, the

biggest issue for america is not how the world sees us but how we perceive ourselves. let's start with the news of the day. we send the warships the iranians turn around. you say it may not be quite that simple. why? >> we were sending mixed messages to the iranians. on the one happened, we brought the uss theodore roosevelt, say 100,000 tons of diplomacy along with her cruiser escort, but we had been very unclear about whether we had any plans whatsoever to interdict the ships, much less board them if they made for the yemeni coast. i think a more decisive aspect was that the saudis who had been can conducting a bombing campaign in yemen against these iranian-backed houthi rebels, they declared a ceasefire, and then they started bombing again. my fess is -- this is a guess -- iranians didn't so much fear the americans, they feared the saudis would simply bomb their ships when they reached port.

jenna: why do you think the saudis would be more intimidating? >> because the saudis have been at war in yemen for over a month. just a couple of days ago they blew up a huge arms cache in sana'a, the capital, causing major explosions. the saudis are serious about yemen in a way that i don't think the united states really is. yemen is their backyard. if these rebels are able to control yemen it means they will be able to control both of the narrows of the straits on either side of the arabian peninsula. that's crucial for saudi arabia, that's crucial for the movement of oil to. jenna: one of the things you just touched on is a differing of middle east perception which is something you talked about in your column this week when it comes to israel and the united states. as one of be main issues for the united states is how we perceive ourselves. why do you think that's the key issue about our actions whether it's in yemen iran or elsewhere? >> well, i think really the great political question for

americans is well, why should we care right? i mean it's as far away from us yemen is a country that until recently most of us probably have never heard of or would have trouble finding on a map thanks to an oil boom in the united states, we're somewhat less dependent on middle eastern oil. and i think that change in perception about the middle east affects the political willingness to take action to stop the iranians, to stop other groups. jenna: interesting you mentioned that because tom friedman in "the new york times," publishing a column a day after yours, focused on an identity crisis with the iranians saying that's what this nuclear negotiation is really about and what the way forward in the middle east is, it's about their identity, not ours. what do you think about their argument? >> i think friedman, as usual has it precisely wrong. look there's no question there are vast gaps between the people of iran and this theocratic regime. but from the point of view of the regime, they're winning on all fronts; the nuclear

negotiations, they're not making any concessions to us, we're making concessions to them. they've seized capitals in yemenen, in iraq, effectively in syria and in lebanon. they're winning. jenna: i wonder then, if we take a big step away from the states that are acting in the middle east, if the people with the strongest sense of identity and the most action to back it up are really the terrorist groups. what do you think about that? >> well, i mean, look question is, you know which terrorist groups are you talking about. if you'reooking just specifically at yemen, there's no question that the houthis which, you know, people think of the houthis as some kind of tribe. they're effectively the yemeni version of hezbollah. it is a religiously-motivated party and there's no question they've had incredible success. same with al-qaeda in the arabian peninsula same with the islamic state in northern iraq and syria. jenna: always good to have you on the program. thank you. jon: brand new polling in the

race for the white house what it shows about marco rubio and where he stands compared with the other presidential hopefuls. also sentencing day for retired general and former cia director david petraeus for sharing classified information with his lover. prosecutors agreed he should not go to prison. will the judge go along? t used to stale odors in your mudroom. you think it smells fine, but your guests smell this... febreze air effects works instantly to eliminate odors you've gone noseblind to. smells like a field of awesome in here. so you and your guests can breathe happy. i'm only in my 60's. i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i looked at my options.

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jon: from america's election headquarters, right now florida

senator marco rubio leading gop presidential hopefuls in a new poll, shows he's gaining momentum among republican-leaning voters but has a long way to go before the iowa caucuses early next year. our chief political correspondent carl cameron is live in washington with more on that. >> reporter: good news for marco rubio. the latest quinnipiac survey shows that marco rubio leads the pack with 15%. he is followed now by former florida governor jeb bush at 13% and wisconsin governor scott walker with 11. basically, it's a three-way tie within the poll's margin of error, but rubio's announcement last week in florida clearly gained him momentum. former governor bush's key numbers are ticking up a little bit. rubio grabs between 13-16% of very conservative voters. he's the only republican to virtually tie hillary clinton the rest of the gop field trails her. >> we're going to have a

campaign where candidates are going to have to go out and talk about what they're for. people are going to see us, particularly in the early states, in action, and from it they'll make a decision. i certainly won't think it's meaningful when i'm down or up. >> it's always fun to diss the polls when you're up, so he's being humble that he's now the front runner. rubio knows now is not the time to get too big too early. front runners tend to get tripped up in a lot of the early states. both jeb bush and scott walker shot to the top of the early polls, faced criticism and have now been overtaken by marco rubio, so naturally he expects to get the what goes up must come down treatment himself. ted cruz was the first to declare his presidency, and after rand paul announced, he showed up strongly against hillary clinton in the polls. the top tier in a very, very crowded field of republican candidates now includes rubio bush walker cruz and rand paul. there's room for between three

and as many as five or six more on the debate stages this fall and in less than two weeks we'll have carrie fiorina -- carly fiorina, mike huckabee and ben carson joining early may. four years ago the first debates came in may of this year, so they would have been starting pretty soon. this time around they're going to wait until august and with this last weekend up in new hampshire, there were 21 candidates participating in a cattle call. there's no way you can get 21 people on a stage. once you get into double digits, you're looking at a two hour debate, so there's going to have to be some pretty tough cutting. and as of next week, we'll have six officially-declared candidates in the republican party. jon: all right. keep an eye on it all for us, carl cameron. thank you. jenna: general david petraeus set to hear his sentence today he has agreed to plead guilty to a misdemeanor for mishandling

classified information and showing it to his lover, paula broadwell, who was writing his biography. a lot of questions about what happens today at this federal courthouse in charlotte. that's where we find jonathan serrie who has more for us now. >> reporter: hi, jenna. the judge is not bound by that recommendation, however, it is likely to carry a lot of weight with the judge with both sides agreeing to this recommended sentence. under their agreement, which they signed back in february, petraeus is expected to enter a guilty plea when he appears in federal court this afternoon. that plea to one count of unauthorized removal and retention of classified material. it is a misdemeanor that carries a maximum sentence of one year in prison and a $100,000 fine, but as part of a plea agreement petraeus and prosecutors signed both parties will recommend the judge sentence the retired four-starto two years' probation instead of serving time in prison, and he would also with

required -- be required to pay a fine of $40,000 under that recommended sentence. petraeus is accused of sharing temperature top secret information with his biographer and former mistress, paul that broad welshing according to court documents, petraeus allowed her to borrow notebooks he compiled while leading forces in afghanistan containing information on the to identities of covert operatives, secret codes and war strategy. none of the sensitive information was published in broadwell's book on petraeus. petraeus scheduled to appear in federal court in the building you see behind me at 2:00 this afternoon. we'll let you know what happens, jenna. jenna: jonathan, thank you. jon: an update toory breaking yesterday on "happening now." a sky west plane also called a united express flight, carrying 75 passengers forced to make an emergency landing in buffalo after three of the passengers lost consciousness. the flight was on its way from

hartford connecticut -- to hartford from chicago. the pilots not sure whether there was an air fresh problem descended quickly as fast as 7,000 feet per minute. passengers described the terrifying ordeal. >> very obvious that we were descending as rapid hi as we could. we just got off the plane and there was paramedics to meet us. jon: 17 passengers were checked out, none required treatment. maintenance crews found no problems with the plane, but the investigation is still underway. jenna: well an american who joined the enemy rising to prom innocence as an al-qaeda propagandist, now killed in a counterterror drone strike earlier this year. we're going to explore the impact of these drone strikes in our war against terror next.

jon: let's check out what's ahead on "outnumbered" at the top of the hour. >> hey jon. we'll have more on those u.s. operations that killed two

american al-qaeda members and accidentally killed two hostages including a u.s. citizen held captive since 2011. >> that plus more potential trouble for hillary clinton as new details are now surfacing about foreign money flowing into the clinton foundation as her state department allowed the russians to buy up one of america's largest uranium mines. >> and a female chess star slamming a male grandmaster after he said that women aren't smart enough to play the game. you buy that? >> you tell 'em twirl. all that plus our #oneluckyguy. "outnumbered" at the top of the hour. now back to our buddy jon. jenna: two incident hostages -- innocent hostages killed in a counterterrorism strike, the president expressing deep sorrow to their families this morning including dr. warren weinstein who was kidnapped in pakistan in 2011 as well as an italian aid worker also held by al-qaeda. the white house now

declassifying the mission and is conducting a review to determine why the intelligence was apparently flawed. the white house also announcing a separate strike killed this american, adam gadahn, who became a prominent al-qaeda media adviser as well. jonathan chancellor is vice president at the foundation for defense of democracies, talking a little bit about this news today. this is rare that we get this sort of statement from the president on, quote-unquote, drone strikes. not using that exact term. what do you make of the statement the timing of it? >> well, it is very rare. obviously the president didn't mention drone strikes per se. this is part of the parlance coming out of the white house. nevertheless, we were aware of the fact that ahmed farouq, this high value target, had been struck back in january. it's interesting that it took this many months to get to the point where they were able to come out and perhaps confirm the fact that these hostages had been killed. i think there's probably going to be some international fallout. you have a president that now needs to go to the prime minister of italy to explain

what happened. it's one thing to, plain it to your own people d explain it to your own people here in the united states, but this is an international incident as well. jenna: why is ahmed farouq an important figure? >> they was the deputy emir of al-qaeda of the indian subcontinent, a spin-off of the al-qaeda network. he was seep as one of the more up and coming leaders within the al-qaeda network and interestingly, his name came up in the abbottabad raid documents. his name came out. jenna: it's interesting that you mentioned the raid, because we were actually looking through some of the letters that were just released recently in court. and in some of these letters written to bin laden the drone strikes were mentioned by al-qaeda operatives. and here's what they had to say about it. apparently, the drone strikes were effective from their point of view saying we don't have any effective solutions to the espionage issue. here's what else they had to

say: our current view of the situation, we need to reduce operations and activities, focus on preserving and survival while we will be focusing on defensive security, counterespy knack, striking the spy plane bases using special operations and using patient, persistent hiding as well as decreasing our presence. as you look through these letters they saw planes, they were nervous about them, they weren't sure where they were going to strike and, apparently it was impacting their operations as well. >> look, drone strikes are incredibly effective. they put the terrorists on the defensive. they strike fear into the hearts of these al-qaeda operatives. and so we know that they work. the problem is that sometimes you don't know what you're hitting. so, in other words they may have been able to identify that farouq and gadahn were in these locations but they didn't know who else were there. my colleagues, tom jocelyn in particular, has been looking at the question of whether they're looking at algorithms, big data

giving indications there could be senior operatives there without knowing everyone is there. jenna: so more reliance on these algorithms as you say. i can say it easy enough jonathan. [laughter] is that really what it is, there's not the human intelligence on the ground? >> i'd like to think there is human intelligence as well but in other words if you've been tracking this one safehouse for the last month you don't know who's been there the last year. jenna: we previously were going to talk to you about terror financing because you testified yesterday about this issue of terror financing, and we can bring it together with this topic in this way: what is the most effective strategy for counterrerring terrorism? is it through operations like drone strikes? is it through cutting down the money, the funding for these groups? how do you see it? >> it's got to be a combination both. counterterrorism is finding lots of different ways -- jenna: why can't it be about defeating the enemy? >> it's very hard to. i can't remember the last time we truly destroyed or decimated

a terrorist organization. we never quite got there, and it's just hard. these are amorphous enemies, so you've got to throw everything you can counterterrorism finance, drones the whole works. jenna: one big thing i just wanted to underscore for our viewers is that you found and you've, by the way worked with the treasury department before, you found despite everything we see going on in syria in yemen and the like that some of our allies in the middle east continue their financing of these terror groups despite all the outrage about them. >> that's right. we're seeing cups like kuwait and qatar turkey's a new one which is very troubling these are countries that, of course purport to be american allies, but they're allowing a huge amount of terrorist finance activity on their soil, and in some cases we believe they may be facilitating it. jenna: thank you very much for being on the program. jon: another 220 migrants arrive at an italian seaport today.

adding to italy's surging numbers of asylum seekers from war-torn countries in north africa and the middle east. this arrival coming hours before european union leaders gather in brussels to discuss this humanitarian crisis. topics to be covered include discouraging human traffickers. jenna: well one of america's biggest employers taking action to benefit workers. the tech giant setting a new standard but will other companies follow suit? plus, a volcano erupts for the first time in more than 40 years sending plumes of ash into the sky and people running for their lives.

jenna: a chilean control cay know -- volcano erupting for the first time in more than 40 days

prompting the evacuation of a nearby town. out of the country's 90 active volcanos it's considered one of the three most potentially dangerous. thankfully, so far no injuries reported. jon: new information on microsoft taking a big step for workers' rightings. the tech giant is declaring that paid time off matters, requiring its contractors and vendors to give their employees sick time and vacation time. microsoft says its mandate follows complaints from contractors who said they did not have the same benefits as full-time employees. dan springer has a look at the repercussions live in seattle. >> reporter: officials say they're not trying to make some big political statement, but in this announcement the company did essentially say there's been too much talk and not enough action on income inequality. the software company offers some of the most generous benefits you'll find anywhere. they also have more than 70,000 contract workers who are not treated the same way.

they're paid by a temp agency or a microsoft supplier. well, next year those 2,000 companies will be required to offer 15 days of paid lee. paid leave. >> people do their best work when they can get some time away from work. people can do their best work if they can stay home when they're sick. >> reporter: as for the contractors who will have to comply well, none of them wanted to comment most likely out of fear of losing their business microsoft. but there are those in labor who say if microsoft really wanted to help the temp workers, it would hire them and give them all the great weapon fits. according to -- benefits. only 12% of american workers in the private sector have access to paid leave, that includes sick pay, ma it werety leave and paid vacation time. president obama's been pushing the issue, but bills in congress have gone nowhere. some economists and libertarians say it's fine many microsoft wants to -- if microsoft wants to treat workers with certain benefits, but it's not fair to force it on their contractors.

>> i think it's going to be really costly to small businesses. >> some compare it to an unfunded government mandate although microsoft believes it will have to pay more in the future because of it. jon? jon: dan springer in seattle, thank you. jenna: some brand new stories we're working on for the second hour of "happening now," diet pill or killer drug? new worries after a college student dies after buying this online. also a routine traffic stop turns into a potentially deadly end counter. the officer's dash cam captures him getting dragged away. see how this ended next.

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>> so two top al-qaeda leaders long pursued by the united states have been killed by drone strikes unfortunately the strikes killed an american and italian hostage. we will have more than that next hour. >> thank for joining us this

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