showrooms because it's your hall can't decide what to buy. rent-a-center. >> if you're fighting over furniture, get a new spouse. you can rent that as well. a bonus for a bad guy before he proves he's a good guy. welcome. while iran is playing chick within warships and calling for us to die, the state department refusing to call up a $50 billion signing bonus. big mistake? what do you think? >> a signing bonus? $50 billion? i mean come on guys, this is absolutely nuts. but listen just underscores the fact president obama wants to get this done by hook or by crook. iran knows it. they haven't stopped any of the stuff we're doing in the middle east sending a convey toward

yemen. they thumb their fingers and nose at us because president obama wants this so badly, i can imagine when this comes out it will be the worst possible deal possible with a $50 billion cherry on top. >> $50 billion bonus, sounds like a bonus. it's just lifting sanctions that total that amount in place for iran for some time. are we mischaracterizing it? >> it's like hello, state-sponsor of terror! let's say you've changed your ways we'll give you money up front. i wonder how you're going to spend it. that's what's going on. the ayatollah has already gotten so many concessions from president obama to get iran to sign the framework. i can go down a long list of them. >> please don't but no, you got the with you for god's sakes. >> let eye rain keep enriched uranium in its own country, once hidden facilities still open the list goes on. so they got those concessions, so the ayatollah knows he can

ask for more and he is and this is it. >> the question guests when the sanctions are lifted the bonuses kick in. iran wants them like now because they've reached the framework of an agreement by june 30th, they'll have it in play. june 30th lift them. >> what the ayatollah wants the ayatollah gets. >> is this the extra game you bring to the table, is that it? >> i want to hear adam defend this. that's it i just want a good laugh. >> really is that necessary? adam can you defend this? >> i absolutely can defend it not only because i want to make charlie happy which i wake up in the morning wanting to make charlie happy but i can defend it. this is called a negotiation. guess what? we have the economic leverage. they have the ability to make weapons grade plutonium. we would like to have them have our money and we would like them to not make nuclear weapons and

we will do you're right, within reason anything we need to do to get to that point. i don't see any problem with that. >> do you think this is reasonable? >> of course it's within reason. >> just let the ayatollah do whatever he wants? >> no, i'll make that point. this is where we were going all along with this bipartisan multiyear strategy of having the economic sanctions against them. we are close to getting what we were after. >> what do you make of all of this? >> the iranians have broken every promise and deal. they haven't even said they've changed their ways. they said they're not changing their ways. they said death to america, death to israel. this is a deal which god forbid will mean the end of israel and make iran a dominant power. >> you're doing a disservice. >> wait just a minute. you're the one who is likely to interrupt so please don't interrupt me friend. >> you're quite right, i don't. >> even the ayatollah adam is it not make which is it's their

money. we seize their money after they kicked out the shah so in a way it's their money but the idea that we trust them to do anything whatsoever right, honest truthful and not as murderous is incredible, unbelievable and there has to be some screw loose in mr. obama's head to trust them. >> you know what i like about you, adam you apologize for interrupting which was very very, very gentlemanly. >> that's adam. >> if i'm immoit i acknowledge it. full throttle. >> charles payne, to ben's point, it is the iranian's money. you can make the argument whatever deal is struck and they get the sanctions lifted it's not a bonus from us as much as it's their money back but the result will be that they have benefited enormously. >> enormously and that gets back to the point that adam made.

yes it's a negotiation but we act like we have the weaker hand and that's what bothers me. >> we do have the weaker hand because we have a very weak leader even though we have an enormous military we have a very weak leader. >> i know but we don't have to have the weaker hand. put it this way, ben, i think we agree on that, if we were coming from a place of strength and honest the american people believe iran is a threat. the israeli people know iran is the threat. we know this and yet our president won't go through and negotiate the way that the people feel. >> look at this that poll says it all n america we look at this we think iran is a huge huge threat and furthermore that we're getting the lesser of whatever deal. >> the more details of this thing leak out we'll give them money, okay techally -- >> we're not giving them money. >> we kind of are. we seized it. because they seized us they destroyed people's lives including those hostages and are murderous thugs, and we're

giving -- >> murderous thugs. >> we're giving murderous thugs money on top of everything else the more people see this the less likely this has a chance of getting any bipartisan support. >> we have to be realistic about what the alternative is. we're trying to avoid a shooting war. we're trying to avoid a nuclear war. >> no no no -- >> we can call names, they can call names, we will enforce this as best we can and there san alternative. >> the alternative is a better deal than what we're entering into. the alternative is a deal without all these concessions, where we're promising the snap back sanctions have to go to a dispute resolution process. that is ridiculous. >> that's fine we'll do what we want. >> and adam with the greatest possible respect, what you're saying is the exact of neveily chamberlain of munich in 1938 and saying peace in our time. it's the exact equivalent and there's also going to be the -- >> i don't agree.

>> i know you don't agree. >> i just i would just like them to throw us a bone like you know we don't want to wipe israel off the face of the world. we want world peace. just something a bone. they refuse to even do that. ben you bring up neville chamberlain, at least hitler do z that for chamberlain, he lied obviously. >> when you are in the middle of a negotiation -- >> very good point, charlie, very good point. >> you are in the middle of a negotiation you don't want to rub salt in a wound or risk it falling apart. if you're waiting charles payne for this to approve in iran you might hold off sending a convoy of ships to yemen loaded with military start and forced to do a u-ey when you get close. you might think device saying death to america and might think twice doing deals with russia or china. you might watd until the ink is dry on the contract before do

you that. like if i'm negotiating with fox on a new deal and take three weeks off, i don't think that will send the right signal that i'm serious about it. >> you took three weeks off and spent them on missnbc. you take the locals from russia sponsor terror yemen president obama's shiny example of success in the middle east iran wrecked it with the houthi rebels. >> they department' have to do anything even for show in negotiating this deal. we've given in on so many points. >> i think in these types of deals, bebn's a lawyer i don't know how they do a deal. i think what we realize heres that the appearances look bad if iran is doing all of this stuff

now and we don't have a deal to shove it back in our face. obviously they feel there's no pain to be inflicted for that. >> absolutely. we have a president who is a gutless wonder and there used to be a manchurian candidate out there i'm sure. this is in some weird psychological way being controlled by the iranians. >> you would think at minimum he would get them -- listen we'll give you the money and go back. you have to say something nice about israel say that a major player in the world -- >> they'll never do it. >> shouldn't that be minimum? >> israel has the right to exist. can you stop saying for the time being that israel should be annihilated, at least during the contract phase. >> far be it from me. >> far be it from me. >> you need to wear pants during

contract negotiations. >> very good very good. >> deagan making her final appearance. when we come back i'm thinking that through and it's troubling me deeply. dave what's on deck? a south carolina teenager accused of plotting to attack military bases in the u.s. pleading guilty to gun charges. more homegrown terrorists popping up all over america, are we doing enough to keep them from succeeding? and a private company helping spouses to cheat is looking to go public. is this the free market going too far? we'll see you soon. in the meantime when fox personalities take enormous career risks, ahead of that parents are worried about paying for their kids' college. now they have to pay for illegals, too?

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outside kathmandu with hundreds across the area dead. officials warning people to stay out of buildings after a dozen aftershocks hit the area. the quake triggersing a devastating avalanche sweeping across mt. everest. dozens of climbers are feared a southwest airlines flight diverted to denver last night. 175 passengers and six crew members were safely taken off the plane after it encountered a pressurization issue. one person hospitalized after a fall. southwest says the aircraft will be taken out of service and inspected. i'm kelly wright. now back to "cavuto on business" for all your headlines logon to foxnews.com foxnews.com. you're watching the most powerful name in news, fox news. all right, now a lot of parents still paying off their kids' tuition will love this one. pair of democratic lawmakers pushing to give federal student aid to illegals. ben you say we can't even afford handouts for americans let alone

illegals. what do you think of this? >> i think the more basic point is that we've got to wear pants when negotiating with the illegals. they got, they're called illegals for a reason. they came here illegally. they've already broken the law. why are we giving subsidies to people that we know have broken the law. >> these are the children of illegals, they had nothing to do with t you heard that argument dhung holds water? >> they were brought here illegally, not documented immigrants. we don't have enough money to support all the college students who want handouts. this is just a new category of government subsidies to buy most of the democratic party. >> absolutely true. this is what it's all about and we should point out, listen as someone the recipient of pell grants because of my family's income i like pell grants put me through college. >> wasn't your dad in the union? >> yes, he was. >> no way. i didn't know that. >> i thought your dad was the

head of dupont. go ahead. >> we have some relationship to the duponts. you've seen that wrestling movie, my old man was -- no i'm only kidding. >> don't go there. go ahead. >> it does have a perverse effect on the course of college when it's kind of like when frannie and freddie were handing out money for housing. you are driving up the cost of college and those costs are incrementally pushed up by giving out to illegal immigrants. >> we're required by law to educate illegal immigrant children in the public school system. i don't see the need to go as far as to handing out pell grants to them. president owebama in 2012 gave amnesty to young people who came here as children to keep them in this country. we're doing more and more an more we have to draw the line somewhere. >> i agree. my son, niece, nephew all going

to college this fall. my niece going to nyu, springs opera, but they had to drop out, she couldn't afford it. her family couldn't afford for it. >> you pay for it. you should. >> here's the thing, ben, i'm paying for a lot of things but here's another point because i got a big family but here's a more important point, how fair is it for her family to pay taxes for a child who came here illegally to go to college. >> exactly. >> or you got 22 states by the way where illegal immigrants get in-state tuition, in-state tuition. someone wants to go to the university of virginia if my kid wanted to go there it's 36 grand instead of 10 grand. it boggles the mind. >> sorry, how did you find out about your nephew or niece's position. >> they were just at the house. >> i find that curious that they chose that time.

>> two weekends in a row. i see her once a year you know what i'm saying? i'd love to help her. >> all right a dam, what do you make of all this? >> well let's be honest. there's all sorts of giveaways throughout the economy. >> wait a minute when you say let's be honest the assumption is that we've been lying all this time. >> you're not being, you know. ? let's be honest with ourselves about what the subject matter is. there are giveaways throughout the economy for all sorts of people >> oh golly. >> for all sorts of reasons. >> oh man. >> do we have it in our hearts to try to be helpful to all the people who make our country great? >> do we have it in our hearts to buy democratic votes? which is what this is about. you're changing the subject, i'm not. it's all designed to increase the role the voting rolls for democrats. >> it's cynical. >> you talk to democratic

operatives off the record they'll tell you that. >> adam we do a lot. that's point. >> i know. >> by a supreme law court decision we educate all illegal children in the country if they're in the public school system. >> which is one of the things that makes our country great. >> that's what is costing just the influx of immigrant children illegal immigrant children from central america. so we do a lot. it has to stop at some point. >> the serious point i want to make is that charles' nieces and nephews are eligible for all sorts of programs and incentives. >> how do you know. >> it's a complicated story. because we all are, everyone's children. >> it's all based on need and things of that nature. >> for certain things. they're based on all sorts of things. >> we hand out the social welfare benefits generally based on need. there are sometimes other factors and when you flood the country with lots of poor people that are illegal and they have a need they get the money. >> let's be honest the segment is over. we'll have walmart looking to

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walmart may be raising wages for its workers but its fight wages on.

walmart may be raising wages but big labor is still raising hell even there. sounded more like a gospel. the retailer says it had to shut down five stores for a while for repairs. laying off 2,200 employees. unions saying it's all bs.

that the layoffs are payback for those workers protesting wages. >> i like that song that was pretty cool. i was starting to lean towards that. now i know how adam feels. yeah. >> the whole labor movement there. >> they're not going to be happy until they own walmart. the majority shareholders. until they socialize the entire company and they make it not shareholders but quote/unquote stakeholders beginning with the workers. i understand the long-term goals. they won't ever be satisfied. >> my view on this is no matter what walmart does until its a union shop it's going to be dealing with -- >> period. >> this is a feel good story i believe about unions. this is what they're paid to do. go out there and unionize. >> the gospel songs are a little different -- >> i didn't like that touch, i wanted opera, to be honest with you. >> i'm talking about the old school touch though you know

what i mean? back in the day, with the construction union. >> they didn't sing much they just used baseball -- >> what do you think? >> you're right, the unions won't be happy until walmart is fully in control of the unions. however, these closures look sudden and fishy and weird. the trouble is it goes to the national labor relations board, which is union-friendly so walmart i don't think will even get a fair hearing. >> what do you think, ben? >> ain't gonna let the service union turn me around turn me around. >> i would put singing on the list -- >> do you remember that song? >> that was unnecessary. >> you know they can unionize. i don't care what they do. they have the best sliced honey ham in the world. adam what do you think? >> i think this is why ben's a hollywood star and the rest of

us are not. >> you're exactly right. >> i think we're all in agreement. that the unions will not lay off walmart until walmart is unionized. >> i used to like that song. remember look for the union label. ♪ when you are buying ♪ >> yeah look at the time. all right. my thanks to you for joining us. the nasdaq finally back to a record high. now get ready to hit highs of their own. stick around.

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