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together. purple. >> harris is in color wheel heaven. >> i am, girl. >> who is not in heaven, the clinton campaign. could hillary clinton's reported cash problem put her in legal hot water? peter schweizer author of the book, the clinton money trail believes a possible criminal probe could be warranted. schweizer said he discover ad pattern of behavior when he found clinton foundation owners got during her time at state department. >> problem with the deals and others we cite in the book, is it coincidence, is it coincidence in pattern we see repeated dozens of times where large clinton supporters are have business before the state department they make large payments and favorable actions are taken. i don't think the coincidences occur that frequently. >> in response hillary's campaign insists schweizer has not produce ad quote, shred of evidence that she gave

preferential treatment to donors. yesterday they acknowledged errors the way donations from foreign governments were reported. saying quote, we made mistakes as many organization of our size do but we're acting quickly to remedy them and taking steps to insure they don't happen in the future. can i get away with that excuse, judge alex, if i make all the mistakes when it comes to hundreds of thousands of dollars? do you see a potential criminal probe into this? do you see that laws have been broken here? >> i don't know that laws have been prone but there is definitely a reason for an investigation. the whole point of an investigation is to find out if laws were broken. really making the argument, there is not a shred of evidence, puts the cart before the horse. if you do the investigation when there are suspicious circumstances to find out if there is evidence of a crime. if you have evidence that they claim doesn't exist you wouldn't need an investigation. you would charge somebody criminally. >> right. >> with menendez it was the same thing. he was investigated because there were suspicious circumstances and they wanted to know was this result of a

quid pro quo or was this coincidencal. they should do the same thing here. >> this is, in my opinion a little bit worse judge. i want to ask you about the pattern. >> it's a lot worse. >> it is a lot worse. schweizer says there is a consistent pattern here. is that a problem? does that matter in court of law when they see this is done repeatedly over and over again? >> of course. it is part of a suspicious circumstance. if i was sitting judge ruled in favor of companies and coincidentally their investors and people associated with investors deposited money into my foundation there would be investigation, guaranteed. hillary should come forward. if they have nothing to hide, they should turn over the server so questionable. >> that's right. >> and they should be answering all the questions. >> harris what about this they keep say being campaign, shred of evidence, shred of evidence but they shredded all the evidence. >> with the emails you mean? we don't know. bill clinton said he paid for

it, with his money not taxpayer dollars. >> but she used it for government work. >> interesting. even though. >> put government emails on there, it is subject to subpoena. if they conceivably could hold evidence doesn't matter who owned it. >> i have a question about the politics. arkansas governor asa hutchinson saying there is no evidence. i don't know how many legal background he has in looking at this sort of specific case but it is interesting, the politics. do democrats need to double down to get behind her if they try to make her the nominee? >> how do they get so close to a campaign doing things, sandra, as%the judge said worse than what menendez i did? don't you want to put a put a little distance between you and the clinton campaign before more is known about this. >> right. i think your example is best. if youd done that, received donations and then, you know, ruled in favor of those people you wouldn't be surprised that people were curious about that and people wanted an

investigation. you would happily and gladly turn over all the information because you knew there was nothing to hide. >> true. >> that is the key here. real quickly schweizer compares this to insider trading. i thought that was fa nam point. he wrote a book on congressional insider trading. you know the act of insider trading as well. >> what are you trying to suggest? >> exactly. this would be very illegal. he put it there is never an email i have non-public information, buy this stock. there is a pattern of behavior. that is what is being identified. that i don't think is undeniable. >> sec looks at suspicious trade and suspicious timing, they investigate. they don't go oh there is no sled of insider information. >> what the clinton campaign is saying about moving this along? every time there is scandal they seem to declare arbitrarily when the scandal is over. did they turn a corner? we current ad -- turned a corner there is nothing else

here and the there is character assassination of this author. >> i'm waiting for her to say what difference does it make? like the judge said, if you have nothing to hide open up the books. there should be investigation. an investigation does not mean a crime was committed. investigate. >> that's right. you put it behind you. you don't have it lingering over you for the whole campaign to be used by the other side. >> the server is gone. >> all the pages of the book as you would open stacy, all the pages are gone. >> two of those things together, email, private server on bill's foundation server, destroying of 30000 emails, not just one or two. a pattern. >> there is the pattern. >> even if, even if the documents were deleted have been deleted, if they get their hands on the server, unless somebody demolished the server, they can still get information off of it with an electronic microscope. >> bill stepped on it during one of his downward dogs.

clearly still a lot of unanswered questions there. hillary clinton isn't alone when it comes to explaining whether she gave clinton foundation donors preferential treatment during her time at state department. president obama and his administration is facing a lot of questions how all of this allegedly happened on his watch. so far the white house is sidestepping the issue. watch. >> i refer to you the state department or to secretary clinton's team who i sure would be happy to talk to you about this. there is spokesperson secretary clinton hired to answer these questions. something secretary clinton's team can talk to you about is how he, how they handled this particular incident. >> hmmm. >> that was like an "snl" skit. >> like a sidestep special. dosido. >> pontius pilate routine. i wash my hands of this. >> ask you one question just right off the top? >> sure. few minutes ago in breaking news we saw the new attorney general take over for eric holder. she is coming up, loretta lynch,

how grateful she is and everything else. if this situation had an independent person, one that might be politically independent we might see that person maybe look at the hillary clinton email scandal look at the clinton foundation and all the allegations against it. >> i think that is a good argument. >> to dig into it. is loretta lynch tasked with that and do you suspect she could do it? >> i don't know her well enough, i don't know about her at all but she should. she is one tasked with this responsibility. she should undertake it under these circumstances an investigation if she doesn't feel comfortable doing it should appoint a independent prosecutor. there is good argument to be made attorney generals should be elected every four years. then you don't have somebody beholdened to the administration and basically shutting down any investigation that might reflect poorly on the administration. >> andrea, is this clinton cash problem, as much of a problem of the white house as it is hers? >> i do think it is. i think it is a problem for

hillary clinton because she wants to go into 1600 pennsylvania avenue and president obama is on his way out. i'm sure from a political perspective, josh ernest and others are saying stay away from this train wreck do not associate yourself. it is hard because his state department she could have potentially been trading bribes for. this is mutually assured destruction. menendez spoke out and spoke out against the cuba policy and spoke out against iran. all of sudden he could be boeing to jail. we'll watch to see how badly the clintons if they trash the white house and president obama, could loretta lynch say, i might consider an investigation. they both need each other. she needs president obama's endorse man and she needs him not to create trouble for her legacy but she needs him more. >> josh earnest sidestepping the question. >> sidestepping at white house. >> should they be answering these questions? >> absolutely but he won't you

know. i don't know, i don't care whatever. he will try anything he can to get around it. because that is what he does. >> it is kind of complicated in terms of what stacy is saying. remember where we started off. we started off with josh ernest at the lecturn saying they weren't sure if they knew she had a separate email and not a dot-gov at the state department. it was a fluid breaking news situation for the white house. with breaking news sometimes things can changeover time. it was a ticktock, then we did know. the natural question, weren't y'all emailing back and forth? didn't you see it was it was a dot-com? >> that is why the message god so blurred. >> why does the white house find out about stuff reading the news like rest of us. >> or watching "outnumbered." >> president at white house at correspondent dents dinner. we missed opportunity to see how much he watch. >> good jokes there.

>> everybody argues it is still early. the scandals may not hurt her at all. >> they definitely won't if they're not pursued. the media, to their credit for "the new york times" to get behind this investigation, i was shocked. i didn't expect them to look at it at all. i don't know if they're just taking a beating i think the media has suffered so much in the last you know, four, six years, about you know, being partisan, that, maybe they're trying to show, hey we can be fair. >> they will try to change the subject. you bring this up a lot about the timing of these things. it is happening earlier for the clintons to get out of the way. the media will start to trap, republicans with gotcha questions. war on women orbiter control or transgender debate. >> talking about income inequality, here, recently, something you've been focused on that. >> he was an american held hostage killed accidentally in a u.s. drone strike. warren weinstein's family tried to raise money for his ransom.

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>> fox news alert now. information coming from baltimore, maryland, about gangs betting together and forming a coalition, entering into a partnership. the bloods the crips, the black guerrilla family to take outlaw enforcement officers in baltimore. criminal intelligence saying that this is a credible threat. they are telling law enforcement officers to take appropriate precautions to insure the safety of each other and the full departments there. we know what has been happening in baltimore. let's set the scene for this a little bit contextually.

the death of a man who died, authorities are still investigating mysteriously while in custody with police, 15 days ago, fred gray. memorial services for him today. there is no connection that is being made officially but that is the backdrop with all of this. i mentioned again, the bloods, the crips the black guerrilla family, the gangs in baltimore, maryland, entering into a pact to take out police officers. as we learn more, we're looking now, tell me what this is. this is video. this is video from previous, this not the live scene that's playing out right now but this is just from a couple days ago this weekend. as we get more fresh pictures in we know law enforcement is talking with members of leadership to make sure police officers are safe, i got to tell you, living in new york we've seen police officers taken out. they are taking these threats very seriously. we'll keep you posted on this.

but i want to bring it out to the couch. i don't want to miss the opportunity of talking with a judge about. your first thoughts, judge? >> i think it could get a lot worse before it starts getting better. when things like this happen, like the incident with the gentleman, mr. gray, who died and that is under investigation very well should be, highly suspicious and there is no explanation in my mind for why he ended up suffering those injuries, to let it become a violent street protest like over the weekend with people throwing things for one thing it encourages other groups. they say hey, they were able to do it and no action was taken. so it encourages other groups to have violent street protests. there ising is like that where there is coordinated effort from street gangs to take on police officers and possibly kill some of them, there needs to be action at highest level. there needs to be federal action coming down on the gang units. >> a couple of things. you were a former police officer. >> yes. >> you had to deal with these type of situations.

it is like swat 24/7 at that point, correct? >> very often depending on the department, they will go on 12 hour shifts if necessary like -- >> military operation? >> exactly. >> this is difficult because we have the right to protest in this country. how do you keep your arms around that. >> you absolutely, lawful protests. people allowed to say -- >> this is unlawful protests. >> when they start destroying property. start endangering people throwing things at people the police units need to move in, grab those troublemakers, pull them out and arrest them. they usually do. very often, because they don't want to be seen as being heavy-handed after an incident like this, they will lay back and let it go. what happens when you lay back and let it go we stoke the fire. we found out in miami during the various riots. >> in ferguson. >> if you sit back, it just cooks and just gets worse. what they need to do, as soon as somebody throw asghar badge can

they need to go in grab the person arrest them and let people who are there to protest have a to protest. >> you were formerly a police officer. >> yes. >> the job of the police department now to insure the safety of their police officers, it is going to be a difficult task. >> this is where i said it could get worse before it gets better. police officers, they don't know what somebody who approaches them is up to. they don't know what intentions are. the person who approaches them knows their intentions but they don't. they're suspicious of anybody who approaches them. every police officer like everybody else wants to go home. so they're going to err on the side of caution. that could make it appear more heavy-handed, this becomes a self-fulfilling, you don't let it get this far. you never allow protesters who are legitimately protest having among them troublemakers who are there to create violence. to destroy public property. >> that is exactly what i would piggyback on. the protests we've seen in ferguson, we saw protests here in new york with the garner case do you think now that the

police are responding differently? it sounds like from your perspective they're not learning lessons that they learned in ferguson. they're sitting back and waiting. you think they should be handling things differently. they see how the incidents play out. they understandably may feel a little bit on their heels. >> every department is different and every department has a different leader and every lead every has to deal with what if. yes he, new york police department has a lot of experience with this they're one of the best in the country. so they may react quickly and solve the problem whereas maybe the baltimore police department, the chief may be concerned about giving the wrong impression. ferguson did it wrong from the beginning because everybody came out with this tremendous amount of riot gear. >> many of them lost their jobs after that, the leadership. >> so there a fine science to this. not instigating more problems. but make sure you shut undo the ones that exist. >> i have a lot of questions how the gangs are monitored. we'll take a quick break and stay with the breaking news.

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♪ >> this is a big story today. we could see a radical shift in our nation's hostage policy u.s. officials are reportedly expecting to stop threatening families of american hostages with prosecution when they communicate with kidnappers abroad or raise funds to pay ransom. abc news is reporting an advisory group ordered by the white house may make the recommendation after interviewing families of hostages who have been killed. this comes days after american warren weinstein, a captive from italy were accidentally killed in a u.s. drone strike on the afghan-pakistan border. weinstein's family reportedly tried to pay $250,000 ransom but it came to nothing. you will recall army sergeant bo bergdahl is facing live in prison if he is convicted of

desertion. remember the deal white house gave up the five taliban command ers from gitmo in exchange for bowe bergdahl. after that families complained why hostages were not offered for their loved ones. white house said it was different because the bergdahl was a prisoner of war. stacy, you do a lot of work for the wounded warrior project. what do you think about this? >> the president obliterated the fact that the united states of america does not negotiate with terrorists. we can no longer say that now they will expect to us negotiate. that is appalling to me. i am appalled. >> should it be the families judge that are doing this? >> no, i agree with stacy, having a policy you don't negotiate with terrorists is something you just can't budge on. on the other hand, i don't think families should ever be prosecuted because they tried to get their loved ones back. >> hard to believe that was on the books. how did that work exactly.

>> the president will not do it of course. >> the opinion of this, former pbi -- fbi agent jack quinn, cited in the abc news story, directly involved in the negotiations. he said the families should be allowed to do whatever they can as a civilian to get their victim or family member out of harm's way. that is a guy directly involved in these negotiations. the concern would be this is a slippery slope judge right? >> of course. there is difference taking official governmental position we encourage families to pay ransom and say we're not going to prosecute them. we can take the position we will not negotiate with terrorists. there is a downside, if the family is doing it behind everybody's back, you don't have benefit of fbi tracing monies to find outsource of terrorism things like that. it's a tough road to say you will prosecute families. >> andrea these families don't feel communicated with anyway. they may not be losing anything

with the process of government giving them cover in any regard. >> that's right. sit the bigger point here that the government is saying to american citizens you're pretty much on your own? >> right. >> that is really the bigger message. we've seen this. talk about patterns, this is a pattern of the administration. if you get yourself into some kind of trouble the united states of america does not have your back. we started with benghazi. we've never left anyone behind and that night we left somebody behind. we've seen journalists that go do their job, we've seen them beheaded. the administration go golfing after that. the president just leaving. the message they're sending to americans if you go overseas you better be careful. if you need the government we'll not be there to help out. if you want to help out or your parents want to help you out that's fine. >> unless you're a deserter. >> a deserter or worse a potential traitor who left conspired with the men my to work against the united states which is worse. >> you brought up this point, i

mentioned we went to the white house correspondents dinner. they had these buttons everyone was wearing. the president even mentioned one of the hostages in iran was an american journalist. the question begins, well we understand prisoners of war with the military but who will you do swaps for? what would you do? is andrea right, is everybody on their own even if you're covering as reporter? >> that is probably right. >> be very careful. >> we'll not take much action either way. >> be careful when you go overseas. be careful which countries you go over. if you call up the united states of america will not be there for you. >> that is difficult to do. we shine a light on very dark corners in the areas around the world. boy, to think the american government would not back that very difficult. >> president george w. bush reportedly breaking his long-standing silence on president obama white house policy in the middle east and the nuclear deal with iran. now in a very rare, pointed remarks, reportedly made behind

closed doors at a meeting with republican jewish donors, the former president who kept quiet for years, saying at one point i owe that man my silence is now slamming the emerging nuke there are deal with iran and obama's decision to ease sanctions on edge game. he said, quote you think the middle east is chaotic right now, imagine what it looks like for our grandchildren. that is how americans should view the deal. president bush says the u.s. is in retreat around the world and not taking enough action against islamic terrorists like isis. quote, remember the guy who slit danny pearl's throat is in gitmo. now they're doing it on tv. stacy, i heard this line, that the president used in these, in this closed-door session where he talked about the killer of daniel pearl being in gitmo. at some point, it was we were waiting for george bush to come out, don't you think? for him to break his silence, at this point it must be too much for him to take anymore. >> when george w. bush was

president, the most important thing to him was not to be liked, but to be respected. and you better believe no one would have been beheaded when he was president. and now i'm sure he is probably just i mean, beyond frustrated because we do have to think about our grandchildren. the next president has to clean up this mess. has to be strong enough to go toe-to-toe with isis. because they are the nazis of the 21st century and it is only the beginning. >> and sandra, you know these closed doors session are rarely closed doors especially when you have a president of the united states who has kept quiet. on some level i'm sure w knew his remarks would get out. he had no problem with them getting out. >> no. the shocker here he has been so quite and critical of the president at least publicly. here he is with very strong words but i think there is probably, he is opening up himself to a lot of criticism right? >> oh, yeah. >> putting them out there as such a strong decisive leader

on his part but when he went on to say when the plan wasn't working in iraq we changed, referencing his track record i think that is important because i think he is acknowledging we had our failures, we had our struggles and you change course and he is perhaps just more shining a light on the fact that amidst the struggles of this administration there hasn't been a change of course. >> i think that what he's pointing out is, he listened to generals. he is not a military -- i mean he is the how do you say it,. >> titular. >> thank you. commander-in-chief but didn't really have a lot of experience so he listened generals. one of the criticisms about obama he got a lot of advice from generals and disregarded all of it and went with whatever he wanted to do. i like it when he stayed above the fray. i rather bush stay out of it because you will of that is being said by others already. he doesn't need to pull himself down into it. >> harris, he did say at one

point which i thought was so classy president bush said i owe that man my silence. he has kept silent for a long time. to sandra's light this will shine a light on bush policy, arguably lead more questions to 2016 contenders do you agree with what president bush just said? what would you do different? sandra brings up a great point. this will spark debate amongst republicans too. >> does it have more weight coming from president george w. bush? these are two mean who then in that realm of being president, are equally. his perspective is one that america probably needs to hear. because it is not the same as listening to a pundit or listening to somebody who might be working with president obama in a subordinate role if you will. president to president is different. i think it is also maybe pointing to how the family will react around jeb bush should he decide to run. >> exactly. >> i think people who it will have more weight with are already there. i mean, the george bush's comments will not convince

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♪ >> we're nearing a key hearing on the so-called cell phone kill switch debate. the obama administration has been fighting to maintain the right to remotely shut down all

private cell phone service over an entire city if necessary. and in the event of a national crisis. but as you may know civil liberties groups have been suing over this because they want to know exactly what is in the policy they pose an interesting question, could this give the government leeway to shut down cell phones even if it has nothing to do with a their record threat? feds meanwhile say releasing details on the policy would risk public safety. judge, one could easily make the argument the american public would be okay with this if details policy were actually released. department of homeland security says if we release details, then it is compromised. >> i think the american public would be okay with this policy and not releasing details if they trusted that they were being told the truth. there is such distrust now of the government, typically my feeling is? you know what, if i have to lose my cell service, there is big risk to losing cell service.

you could need 911 for something. not just that want to chat with my sister. >> talking about a time already been declared a state of emergency, andrea when everybody needs cell phones the most. >> yeah. >> if i have to lose my cell service because there has been determination made, to avoid a crisis of national security crisis, what i think most people are okay with that. they don't trust the government will use it with that purpose. >> we saw here in new york, when they declared new york a state of emergency, when there wasn't snowflake on the ground this winter. forbidden people to leave apartments, to go out on the street. a lot of people especially civil liberties groups came out and said, why? the government told us we had to stay in our apartments unilaterally decided for what? there wasn't any snow on the ground. we saw a couple inches fall. not exactly the same thing judge. but i agree with the civil rights groups standing up saying our civil liberties are really threatened here. what reason would it be that they would shut down our cell phones? >> terrorists communicating with

each other. >> not just communicating very often bombs are detonated by cellular phones. one way they do it in the middle east and could be here, set off one bomb, when rescuers come in to rescue and set off a second bomb to take out rescuers. i can understand legitimate reasons for it but like i said nobody -- >> harris this, was rooted and can be traced back to 2005, the london subway attack. suicide bombers used their cell phones to detonate underground explosives. it has a history. >> standard operating procedure 303 which is what they called it. they rolled this in without any public debate or discussion. >> yeah. >> they put it into place without public notice. what we saw in new jersey just not too long ago new york city's hudson river commuter rails were, turned off cell phone service right after the attacks in london. it caused such commotion, even dhs admitted this might not be the best policy because we need people to all be on the same page. if we can't reach them by cell

phones, how will we reach them. >> may not be the best approach, but if they have it, there should be judicial overview if they do shut it down and don't have time to go in front of a judge, they have to justify it to a judge afterwards. >> how interesting. >> that will avoid the rampant use of it. >> go run the nation judge. >> i can't. i was born in cuba. >> oh. >> there is that. >> ferrer 2016. there is that. there goes that drafting idea. >> that is only thing keeping me out. >> good to know. >> on that note, we told you about parents targeted by child protective services letting their kids go out alone and playing in public. a whole day dedicated to let the kids play outside. is free range parenting the way to go? ♪

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♪ >> welcome back to "outnumbered." a marilyn group that backs free range parenting is asking families to show their support by taking their children to a downtown park in a d.c. suburb and letting them walk home by

themselves. the event, planned for may 9th, comes partly in solidarity with the maryland couple who have become a target of child protective services and whose practice of allowing their kids to wander free of parental supervision has trigger ad national debate. the organizers behind the walk home event, saying it is meant to show that children playing and walking on their own quote, should be the norm, not the exception. all i have to say is, when i was five years old, my mother made me walk to the store by myself and on the way home, i got mugged. >> oh, my god. >> you grew up in a tough neighborhood. >> when you were five? >> that is what i think about that. >> what did they take from you gumballs? >> they took change and what i brought home for my mother. >> what i was bringing home for my mother. it was south bronx. i am a parent. i disagree with this i do not think children should be allowed

to walk home alone. >> do you think it is because things have changed or -- >> i think because things have changed. people are crazy. and i remember having to walk home alone quite a it about and having to, you know fend off pedophiles. >> this particular event i have a serious problem with. i think government -- >> thank you. >> governments shouldn't tell parents how to parent but there are limitations. you have to protect people if they're not protected by their parents. in this event group said, may 9th. they want parent to drop all the kids off at the park and leave them unsupervised to let kids walk them home alone. that is pedophile fair. >> just advertise it. >> we'll not be supervising them. >> it is nuts. >> silver park maryland. it is unincorporated area. the size of baltimore, columbia and germantown. it is the fourth most poplous place in maryland. that is where they will drop these people off in a location as you say. i asked our brain room to look

up how many registered sex offenders are in that area. we're still working on that. about a week 1/2 ago we were all in the place where you are, government should not intrude and so on and so forth. but now you're giving them a date you're foursquaring your kids unaccompanied. >> right. >> we don't live in that kind of a world anymore. >> i think it's a bad idea. i don't think there is a blanket world you can have. there may be towns all over america where it is completely safe for children to wander. >> it is different. >> in new york i wouldn't recommend it. in miami i wouldn't either. >> is it the point this has now turned into overreaction on both sides? we saw the child protective services take these kids into custody for hours on end and not call the children which was total overreach and made them look terrible and showed they have better things they should be doing than this. their priorities are out of whack. now we see them acting on other side, extreme dropping off all kids for free range kid day and sucking resource us out of that city, because now the police

have to focus their attention there when they have other things. >> they're trying to make a statement. i get it. i'm with you sounds absurd to the announce to the world you will leave your kid unattended. i have a problem with this for other reasons that is there are two neighborhoods alike and not all children are alike. no not all kids are. i walked home twice for lunch t was neighborhood. >> also a different time. >> it was a different time, judge it wasn't that long ago. [laughter]. no organization should be saying that you're a bad parent because you're not letting your kid walk alone. a parent needs to make that decision depending where they live and -- >> i'm a former cop and lawyer and judge. i have locked away serial killers rapists murderers. you can't call me a helicopter parent. i'm a black hawk helicopter parent. >> i like that too. >> i know what is out there. and a lot of people don't know what's out there. >> oh my god.

thank god i don't know what you know. that must be so difficult as a parent for you. >> now you're making me feel worse. it is worse for my parents. >> that place is nice place but i don't mean to single them out. it has elements like any other large city. >> they're singling themselves out and making it a focus. one of the most highly debated questions when it comes to relationships. is love at first sight real? according to science it is but only under certain circumstances. we will explain. ♪ e.

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♪ ♪ ♪ >> do you believe in love at first sight? well science said we are genetically wired for that possibility but it comes down to timing and self assurance. and a thousands of singles and 59 percent of men and 49 percent of women believe in love at first sight and 41 percent of the men say they have actually

experienced it. and men fall in love faster than women. >> stacey dow buy that men fall in love. is it lust maybe? >> i don't think it is lust. i believe in love at first sight and my three marriages are proof of that. >> wait a minute. >> hopefully the fourth love at first sight will last forever. >> judge, any thought on this? >> i unbelievable hov at first sight. when i first came in and saw you ladies, and then my wife knocked sense in me. being visual guys fall in love quicker and it may not last because they don't have much invested in this. >> the greek word for love is a ros, a gape and felos.

>> and friend and a gappy everlasting long love. >> and there is three kinds of love and so maybe that's why people are getting confused. >> i think we have all three. my husband saw me on television and we were competitor in minneapolis. and he knew from a promo. i could tell you are slightly high maintenance and i like that. and that means she likes the surroundings pulled together and a good team partner. and you were running away from the camera and i was jogging along the river front in st. paul and i liked that rear shot. and so yeah i believe that this happens. >> got to love camera number three. >> sandra you have a similar

story. your husband fell in love with you at first sight. >> this is now public information. from the moment we met, he knew. falls in line with the study. i think women think about it more. and yeah. i don't think that lust is separate from the love. lust has to be there in order for them to feel. >> and how long did he stalk or pursue. >> he was persistent and it took time. >> and i feel like i fall in love 12 times a day. >> so which category do you like the best? >> oh eros a gape and i will tell america if overtime. >> and go to fox news.com. and i will answer which kind of love is my favorite. we are back on tomorrow at none

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