protesters and whether they are going to be moms and dads out there that hopefully say enough is enough. it's one thing to cause trouble and it's another, we shall see, keep the peace. breaking news continues. i'm shepard smith on the fox news deck. we'll get to the team at "the five" in a moment. part of the reason we're watching this particular demonstration so closely is there have been crowds throughout the day that began building in the 2:00 hour eastern time. so about three hours ago in baltimore. and mostly they remained inside these sort of police cordones. one man went to attack a car and his friends pulled him back. listen here. >> they went down cleveland up

to fulton and reconnected with pennsylvania and came down from the north without incident. >> largely what we're talking about is a peaceful crowd. we saw one guy that looked like he was about to attack a crowd and a friend pulled him back. there have been so many calls for calm across this city and police would be able to keep these protests inside police lines with hopes that they wouldn't -- there wouldn't be any one rebel rouser or an outsider or some rowdy kid who would spoil the peace on this. they have been very serious about wanting to protest peacefully. after all we saw on saturday night and yesterday, of course after all of that they wanted to make sure that one person didn't drag this thing into a place they didn't want it to be. the hope is that last night is the last of it. another reason we're with you now instead of "the five," the mayor of baltimore stephanie

rawlings-blake who, quite frankly, has been controversial in her moves, she's had a media blackout on the national level and she's about to hold a news conference. and we want to hold from her for a number of reasons. why was a decision made to call a state of emergency in the 6:00 hour? why weren't there more communications with the people during the day? she said she was managing things and wasn't coming to the mike microphone and what is the plan going forward as they work to restore the city. so this large group, they originally described it as 60 to 70 people. i'm not good at estimating the crowd size. it looks like more than 60 to me. we've heard no reports from our ground crew that there's been violence. there's been chanting and singing but nothing violent at all. i'm told that there are as many

as 5,000 national guard and other police on the ready that so far today there have been no large outbreaks and no large numbers of arrest. so while we wait for the mayor to come out, let's look at that live picture again and see how close they are to getting ready as we look for the mayor now, if we could. they are a few minutes away. let's get to "the five" and my good friend kimberly guilfoyle. kim, to you. >> shepard, thank you from the news deck and back to "the five." national guard troops and police are working together to keep the city from spiralling into another night of chaos. at least 20 officers injured. so far, one in critical condition. a week-long curfew of 10:00 p.m. goes into effect for residents tonight. president obama delivered his first remarks on the riots today. we're going to play them for you, ahead. but first, team fox coverage with the very latest in baltimore.

leland vitter, geraldo rivera and rick leaf vanventhal. leland to you first. >> reporter: this group has marched all the way down from a park nearby and there's a much larger group that we've seen all day and they are chanting "black lives matter" and as you can imagine they are very upset about the death of freddie gray. but at the very same time you have this police line that we can walk over towards and certainly this is what we have been worried about all day, is the confrontation between the protesters in the street and this very large police line. the police it seems as though have a new sheriff in town or at least taking orders from a new sheriff or new orders from the sheriff in the sense that they

are going to tolerate a lot less of the violence and looting and those sorts of things that we saw yesterday. kimberly? >> leland, thank you. >> eric do you have a question? >> it looks like the crowds are substantially larger than when we were here 24 hours ago. >> reporter: it's certainly different than what we heard 24 hours ago in terms of rocks, cinder blocks bottles thrown at the police officers 24 hours ago. not very far from where i'm standing right now. on the other hand things have certainly changed overnight. we had all of those lootings and those kinds of things. we're not seeing that right now. there w of looting today. some of the guys were out here yesterday. you've been out here for a long time right? >> yes. >> reporter: tell me the difference between yesterday and today. >> daylight. that's about it. because the tension is still here. the tension will be here.

but when the cameras -- we still need our leaders in an emergency to help sole have the problem. >> reporter: and do you think what happened in the last couple of days can help the problem? >> not the violence part. i've talked to a lot of people that are trying to come together and do this the right way. people have just had enough and this is their only way of expressing their anger and frustration and corruption going on. >> reporter: we're standing no more than 30 feet from the police in riot shields. do you worry what is going to happen? last night there was rioting and police didn't do much. tonight it looks like they are ready. >> we're trying to avoid that. we don't want them to get hurt and we don't want any of our people to get hurt and this is not about color or any of that thing. this is about human lives. it's just that simple.

african-american human life matters, white life chinese, mexican, their rights matter. >> reporter: and do you get a sense -- you've been out here since yesterday. this community has been here for so long. do you get a sense things are going to be different today? kids weren't in school today. it's warmer. do you think things will calm down or will we see that same kind of violence? >> no. because i don't want anybody to get the wrong picture painted. what you have is angry people who don't know how to -- [ inaudible ]. this is not a city of lawlessness. some people don't know how to deal with it the right way. >> reporter: all right. terrance thank you very much. you can see -- >> joining us now geraldo from

"geraldo rivera reports." what is going on there? >> reporter: you know to me the big hero is the mom yesterday who smacked her teenage son up the side of the head got the mask off his face and kicked his butt until he left the protesters and rioters and looters and got his teenage fanny home. there needs to be responsibility here. this is a city basically kimberly that is under marshall law. you have state authorities, federal authorities, officers from as far away as new jersey. you have more officers on the street clearly than demonstrators here. this is a tense city worried about what is going to happen tonight. the president, as you a alluded to has spoken. to me the president buried the lead. yes, there's a tragedy that happened with freddie gray dying, another unarmed black man dying in custody. but the headline has to be how these young people trashed their

own city how they destroyed these local shopkeepers' livings, how many dwellings were also consumed by flames many vehicles. that mom, to me said it all. she said we have to take care of our own family. we have to get our own children off the streets. we have to take responsibility. that's what this city needs. that's what we need tonight. i spoke with the former head of the new black panther party. now he's head of a new black lawyer's group that will be monitoring the events tonight and his name is malik and i believe you have some tape of malik. >> they are my children. they are our young brothers and sisters and we love them. every one of them that threw a brooke, every one of them that set a fire we still have to look at them with love and care and see what happened to that young man.

there are people in this city that have nothing to lose and that is a terrifying situation when you have nothing to lose and you're willing to go out on video and camera and carry out actions that you know could land you in jail for life or land you in jail for a long time. >> reporter: the issue is whether or not those lawyers will call on those young people to honor tonight's 10:00 p.m. curfew. kimberly? >> we have questions for you at the table. greg? >> you know leland brought up the change in the behavior of the baltimore police. that raises a question about why they acted a certain way the night before. what were they ordered to do? it seems like they were told to keep moving back stay outside of being hit by rocks, not to respond to acts of vandalism. it also seemed like they didn't have enough riot gear. who ordered this? what were they told precisely not to do? >> to me it seems that the responsibility falls on the

shoulder of the police commissioner the mayor, and indeed the governor of the state of maryland. they saw this coming. why weren't they prepared? there were woefully inadequate police officers coming in a day late and dollar short. today they are flooding the streets with all of these authorities. where were they yesterday? they had to know. they had to know that this was coming. this state of emergency only declared at 6:00 p.m. why is that? why wasn't it declared hours before? why didn't they have guardsmen in the street? it seems to me that there will be a scandal following the tragic death of this young man following the rioting and much of this damage and i hate to be a monday morning quarterback but many of the injuries could have been prevented had they used this overwhelming force initially rather than responding to it as the city was being set.

>> it seems like they were underestimating it like we saw in ferguson. many people with businesses that were destroyed and looted you talk about family legacies gone that they worked so hard up in smoke, everything stolen because they didn't jump in ahead of time worrying about being politically correct. we're going to get back to the news desk where shepard smith is standing by with the very latest with the news conference. >> yep, the news conference is coming from the mayor of baltimore, stephanie rawlings-blake. we got a three-men warning so it will begin. they are setting up a late microsoft. she declared that state of emergency during "special report" last night and there were lots of questions about why that was. you may have heard the governor speaking and his words were she finally got around to it. the hope is that she'll get questions about that now. the mayor has been speaking to local news organizations throughout the day but as -- i don't know if a blackout is too strong a word but she hadn't

spoken to any national media and certainly has not held a news conference. they assured us three months ago it was to have begun and we'll watch and when it starts we'll take you back, kimberly. >> stacy, you have comments on what we've seen and what geraldo had to report on? >> well i wanted to know where the mayor was and now i know. she's going to give a report. i really believe that everything that happened the police not responding the way they should you know what greg asked, the questions you asked, i believe the answer is the fact that the woman said allow them to destroy, give them the space to destroy. and, you know caused destruction. >> i think that's why he -- you know what they pointed out, that the police threw a rock back. i think that was a lame act of desperation because they couldn't do anything else. they kept moving back and then shep says oh, look, there's a police officer throwing a rock. but he's not -- he's basically saying i've got nothing. right? >> true.

probably frustration. >> so -- go ahead. >> i actually called a store owner. he picked up the phone. he was one of the guys whose business was burned out. he was weeping. i felt guilty as all heck because i called a guy in the moment after his business gets burned out. he was weeping. visibly weeping. i felt terrible. but i also realized those are the ones affected by this. when these protesters are flipping over cars 144 vehicles burned 15 buildings burned they are hurting their own community. they are hurting their own job their own opportunity. it's so sad to see that. i don't know why we can see it why can't they see it? >> i think they do see it.

part of it was that the mayor was affected in saying to the police let's not do anything provocative. we want to protect first amendment rights. she made a mistake when she got into the destruction business but the people doing the destruction were not the people involved in the protests. these were the kids yesterday getting out of school -- >> can i just clarify that? >> hold on. no. i know this community and i know what -- >> why? >> and it needs to be stated that way. >> 135 arrests, 201 of those were adults. okay? 80% of the people there were adults. >> what happened was at 3:00 the kids had been on social media and the use of social media by kids trying to instigate something is an important part of this story and the gang -- i am telling you that the rioting is primarily something that happened beginning at mondawmin mall by

those kids getting out of school they go to these terrible schools, high dropout rates. that was not any way -- >> everyone is pointing a finger at the kids. >> it wasn't the kids. >> it softens what it is. no it was people who took advantage of the situation. >> 235 arrests. >> citywide. >> let's call it what it is. it was a protest. it's a violent protest. >> one area in the city of baltimore that is not all of baltimore. what you have here is these kids -- >> and what we have here is the beginning of the news conference. you've been watching the mayor, stephanie rawlings-blake thanking members of the police department spokespeople different community leaders. she was supposed to have begun this news conference at 5:00 this afternoon.

expected to step to the microphone like now. and the questions are numerous including ones that "the five" had for her. she's made every attempt to clarify her statements regarding time to destroy. the mayor has been clear to say what she meant was that she gave people time to protest and they used the time to destroy. but she's also said that the media twisted her words. when actually what we did was play her words. she said exactly those words. and then she repeated them herself and said she didn't say them. the facts suggest that's not true. so here's the mayor in her first national appearance in the last couple of days.

>> all right. good afternoon. or early evening. all right. we're getting started. simmer down now. simmer down. all right. good evening, everyone. thank you for being here. last night was a very rough period for our city but today i think we saw a lot more what baltimore is about. we saw people coming together to reclaim our city to clean our city and to help heal our city. i think this can be our defining moment and not the darkest days that we saw yesterday. i spent the morning talking to residents. i visited along north avenue where residents were cleaning up and trying to give comfort to people who know that their lives

are going to be disrupted in major ways for a long time because of the damage that was done to their community. i saw that the damage that was done to mondawmin mall and it breaks my heart. those from baltimore know how hard we fought for those resources and those stores to bring good quality products items to our community and to have those stores destroyed, mom and mop stores destroyed senselessly. they are working to recover. i also visited lexington market where vendors are desperately trying to get back to normal in dealing with the damage that was done as well. i want to sincerely thank the baltimore city police department and i want to thank all of our other law enforcement officer who is we have had in our city

over the past week. commissioner you're going to have to give all of the counties who have been here because i can't remember but i know that several counties in maryland they have sent us resources over the past week and they have been extremely supportive and i'm very grateful for that. and i also -- i should have started here but i'll end here. i want to thank the members of the community, not just the ones that you see here behind me but the ones that you haven't seen or won't see that have spent all day yesterday, all day today trying to figure out how we can come together as a city. how we can heal. we have churches that are opening themselves up to be a sanctuary and a refuge giving young people out of school a place to go and something to eat. we have so many in our community who are looking for ways to come together to heal.

so i want to thank all of them and give a few community members an opportunity to give remarks. the first i would like to ask, mark washington of the montebello community. mark? >> hi. my name is mark washington executive director of cold springs homestead montebello. >> well here's what we're going to do. we're waiting for stephanie rawlings-blake the mayor of baltimore to take questions. we've been assure that she will. she's done her thanking and when it's the media's chance to ask her questions about the things on our minds, we'll get back to that. back to "the five" after this.

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all right. we're going to throw it back to shep at the news desk. >> the news conference is now starting to question and answer the mayor, stephanie rawlings-blake. let's listen. >> people who love our city so much and are willing to stand up and help us get information out and to help us to rebuild. so thank you. i think i'm turning it over now. i believe so. i think so. yes. i'm sorry. it's been a long day. i'd like to turn it over to the commissioner who is going to give us a public safety statement and then we'll open it up for questions. >> just a couple of thoughts before we get started. my mayor takes shots and she's courageous to stand up and lead this city. i've been doing this job for a long time and i've been standing in front of microphones way too

many times and i've lived over the riot of rodney king i've lived through riots in oakland and now i'm living through them in the city of baltimore. and when these things happen this pain this trauma that takes place in the community, you don't always see the richness of this community. these people standing behind me these are the people of baltimore that i know. the people who care who love this city who are very good people and do a lot for this community. when you're from baltimore, you're from baltimore and it's something in your dna. at the same time as i stand behind these cameras, my sisters boarding the buses behind me love baltimore, too. i have officer who is have said this makes me cry. i was born and raised in baltimore. i went home and cried last night. this is a sad part of my city. but i think what you're seeing today within our community, also is people outsell greating and trying to heal this community. it's clear that what we have to do is change the culture within

the baltimore police department. it's something that we started two years ago doing something totally different. bringing this community inside the police department. taking the police department and sitting down and reading to 5, 6, 7-year-old kids. bringing athletics and making police officers coaches. we have more to do but we can't do it this way but destroying this beautiful city. we have a lot of things that we need to change and we're willing to work in that direction. very shortly, we've had an okay day today. we had a small event that took place on the eastern position of our city early this morning that resulted in a couple of arrests. a couple of opportunists went through businesses. we had dancing on north pennsylvania we had people celebrating, we had people bringing calm and peace. we had one or two people that acted up and we made a couple

arrests but for the most part the city has been calm today. people may ask, why didn't you move faster yesterday? did you prepare yesterday? yes, we prepared. we had over 200, 300 police officers out there around that mall at the time that it took place. why didn't you move faster? because there's 14 15 and 16-year-old kids out there. do you want people using force on 14 15 16-year-old kids that are out there? and they are old enough to know better. they are old enough to know not to know to do those things and to be held accountable but they are still kids unfortunately. we had to take that into account while we were out there. [ applause ] [ inaudible ].

>> we will continue to put information out on social media from twitter. i would ask that you guys continue to put information out and make sure that the community is aware. we have no exceptions other than for medical or coming and going from work that we will be stopping people who are out after curfew, that we're taking that seriously. we don't want to engage in any forceful acts whatsoever. we have the national guard here and we also have state police and a multitude of other cities from new jersey and to d.c. as well as multiple counties in the state of maryland. we'll be out in strong numbers making sure that we have no issues within our city and we ask everybody to cooperate and be understanding at this point in time. i know it's a little -- it throws people off who want to have dinner and other events but as we move closer to trying to get this city calm, have patience with us, please.

>> [ inaudible ]. >> we have no new intelligence but one gentleman made a threat but we deal with that on a common basis. that's the reality of policing. i don't want to focus on that. i'd like to focus on the fact that we have the wonderful citizens standing behind me and the mayor. [ applause ] >> [ inaudible ]. >> saturday's protest ended pretty badly and then last night and now today and flyers are circulating. are you prepared for that and how is the city going to respond? >> we're putting -- we are bringing in a lot of resources that are continuing to come in like i said from other states jersey, pennsylvania also from washington, d.c. area. our numbers are growing with the national guard here and state police here and our numbers are growing in order to keep the city quiet and make sure that

everyone is safe. it's the same thing. when people come out from outside, when people say we have pain within our community, it's one thing when people say we want this police organization to change and since they pay our salary we need to adapt to how this is but when people come out and hurt this community and when it's done and then they leave and go home it's not the right thing to do. so what i've been told is that activists within our community, ministers within our community are trying to have conversations with people leading this stuff to remind them this is where we live where we worship and where our kids go to school. >> [ inaudible ]. >> i think probably there was a social media meme come out to mondawmin mall at 3:00 and we're going to purge.

the only thing i know about a purge is when they went out on a rampage and i guess you could make a corelary. on a daily basis, we have big numbers of kids that are dropped off there on a constant basis. that wasn't just one high school that was there. when we started making movements there, there were buses in line and they let kids off the buses so we have even greater numbers that grew out there. >> [ inaudible ]. >> my response as commander that oversees all of these responsibilities within the city of baltimore is to make sure that they act at the level that we have expectations with our citizens and our residents. so we're working through that. i just had a conversation with

the colonel of state police. we were discussing how to make sure that we operate appropriately and by the same procedures. >> what's the latest of the police officer who was unresponsive? >> we had a number of police officers and i have to check on the firefighters. we had officers with bruises on their hands from rocks and bottles. i had one officer, brian, who was in the hospital. i went to see him. he got struck in the head. he was held overnight because they had to do scans to make sure there's no permanent damage. all of my other officers have been treated. >> thank you. >> we'll be doing another briefing in about an hour. >> another briefing in an hour. the mayor makes the statement but the mayor answers no

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asking where are the parents of these kids that are burning down baltimore? the minute victoria graham found out that her son was one of the rioters, she went out and found him. >> you [ bleep ]. get over here now! >> you know that video has set people's hearts afire. you know why? because, guess what that's what's missing. it's parents, families someone who is an authority figure in this community to say to kids, you don't get out of school and start rioting. this is what is missing. i've got to tell you, i just think when we look at these issues you've got to talk about core issues like family breakdown. >> parenting. absolutely. this woman, she gets mother of the year. every mother should take a page

out of her book. i don't care -- i know she -- you know she said some foul language. >> she beat up her kid. >> she beat him up a little bit. but he's bigger than her. you know what is funny, you know we're in bad times when we're saluting a woman who beat up her kid because that's preferable. >> but she took control and showed him there is a consequence for this. you will not behave like this. >> i would say where is the dad but i know the answer in all probability. >> you can't ask that. if you ask where the father is you are editorializing. you cannot ask where the father is. >> then i'll throw some numbers at it. 67% of black families grow up in a single parent household. asians 16%. hispanic 42%. you're right. there it is. >> and this is not in isolation.

higher absentee rate from that school you know douglas high school in baltimore. higher dropout rates, higher incarceration rates. >> sometimes there's a situation that you find yourself in in life you may be hardworking and do the very best that you can but you can still be a fantastic, a phenomenal single parent. i don't know if she's a sen gel mom or single mom or not but she's taking an active interest in where her child is. what are they up to? she went out there and somebody else could say, go ahead, prosecute her, child abuse, et cetera et cetera. >> oh, please. >> that could happen. she's hitting her kid on live tv and therefore -- you know what she's trying to take control of the situation and remove him. being part of the riots, going out there and destroying part of the property for what people worked hard for is not okay. >> and it's not okay to destroy your own community. >> we're missing a big point here. what caused all of this looting?

the movie called "the purge." from what i understand it's entirely possible to have that director arrested for the riot. who was the director of "the purge" and why isn't he in jail just like the guy who caused the benghazi attacks. i did this for shep. we know what happened yesterday was about youth. when people are older, they are less likely to riot. youngsters as we call them this know this. they treat them like a substitute teacher with absolutely no respect. >> this is what happens with the police. the police come in and they are asked to be the adult, the authority figure for people acting out and acting crazy, engaged in criminal activity and then react to a white police officer, a black police officer. you're et going in my face. >> and it's racially diverse. >> this is not about race.

they have never experienced an authority figure to tell them to behave. >> exactly. >> among the lines of the authority figure i remember five or six years ago president obama making one of his main talking points i'm going to fix the structure of the african-american family. we're going to get this 57%, two-thirds of all children growing newspaper a single-family household, we're going to get that number down. where did that go? >> my brother's keeper you know people like ben crump. >> when was the last time president obama mentioned that? >> he mentions it all the time. >> it's got to be years. >> no. no. you're not listening. it doesn't make news. the problem is people like president obama, even the new attorney general often time they are ignored by young people who say they are party establishment. guess what you have to struggle to become a leader in this country and why would you ignore black leaders like the mayor and the president? to me these kids are out of control and i'm just glad that mom said you know what rather than have the police whoop up on

the boy, i'm going to do it myself. you're going to be in trouble when you get home. that's the way it should be. >> there's a whole generation of men that are missing. >> it's a generation of black young people. i don't think there's any question people brag about how many shiny cars and hubcaps and girls they got -- rather than making excuses for t. i want to see more of the mamas taking their kids to school. that's what i'm saying. >> single mothers have to be stronger. >> we have a strong single mother right here. >> and another one. >> and another one. we're talking about here -- >> you're a single lovely. >> what i'm saying is you have got these people in a poor black community, often the mother is out there, working two jobs but she doesn't have time to take care of kids and guide the kids. we need to not make excuses for that kid. we need to get that kid under control. >> and put your kid in the door every morning at school. that's what i do. >> where is dad? >> that's what i'm saying. it's killing me.

>> where's dad? >> there are a lot of men in jail. i think baltimore is like 64 63% black, right? but 89% of the people in jail black. >> this is a problem because you obviously have regulatory laws being arrested for drug offenses. >> oh drugs. >> it happens and that also prevents them from et goinggetting jobs and that has to be changed. if you're arrested for smoking pot, you're still a functional person. >> everybody makes choices regardless of your skin color. >> what aggravates me is this is about a reaction to freddie gray's murder and this is about social injustice. these kids are acting as if they are criminals. they should be put under their mother's thumb. or whooped. anyway don't go anywhere. "the five" comes back in a moment. guess what: your insurance company

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welcome back to our continuing coverage in baltimore. president obama weighed in this afternoon. the president spread the blame around. here he blames the agitators and the media. >> it is not a protest. it is not a statement. it's people -- a handful of

people taking advantage of a situation for their own purposes and they need to be treated as criminals. you have seen multiple days of peaceful protests that were focused on entirely legitimate concerns of these communities in baltimore. and frankly, didn't give them much attention. and one burning building will be looped on television over and over and over again. >> and it wasn't done there. the president pointed a finger at law enforcement, too. >> we have seen too many instances of what appears to be police officers interacting with individuals, primarily

african-american often poor in ways that raise troubling questions. and it comes up it seems like once a week now. or once every couple of weeks. i think there are police departments that have to do some soul searching. >> so 435 arrests, 144 vehicles burned 15 buildings burned 20 officers hurt and the media and law enforcement get called out by the president, k.g. >> well once again, the commander in chief had a real opportunity to bring about some positive social justice himself and bring communities together but he really has tremendous focus, shall i say, on police departments and focusing on everything that is wrong with them to want to blame them. but if we look at the numbers that you talked about yesterday, this is actually a very diverse police department in baltimore, which they should be commended for that. does it mean that they are perfect?

no. do they have problems to deal with? yes. they will have to make more effective relations in the community. but this is consistent rhetoric you know that we've seen from president obama and from people like eric holder in the past. >> i just thought the president spoke the truth. i don't know what you guys are upset about. we didn't show a video where the president said there is no excuse for this kind of violence it was counterproductive, they are not making a statement. they are stealing and destroying and undermining business and opportunity in their own community, robbing jobs from black people. that's what the president -- >> that was the first part that we played. >> and he's saying of course we have a history in this country and there was reason for a legitimate protest. >> i didn't hear him mention the fathers. >> i agree. >> this is the production of this -- this is a direct

production of system that he and al sharpton has put into place and this is proof of it. he won't take responsibility for it but i put it on his head. >> i agree with some of the things he says but the trouble that i have is that you can -- when these kinds of events happen he can separate the criminality from the sincere protester and outrage, which is true but then he will smear the entire police department. you have to be consistent. if you're going to say there are good and bad apples here he's got to come out and say, it's like it's happening every week. it's happening every week. that's not static. that's not a statistic. in terms of soul searching, he has to soul search. good and evil are not relative

when somebody is looting and you cannot say, well -- like when you say -- when you look at looting as a crime and you say, i don't condone it but i understand it when you say you understand it you condone it. >> yep. >> and i think that right now whenever these things happen they always say, it began peacefully. but it always begins peacefully and then it ends violently because the leadership has advocated a responsibility in challenging their constituency they are afraid of challenging their constituency and they have allowed them to do this. >> but i think you have to let people vent at some point. >> absolutely. >> we did not have riots this last summer in ferguson. we've been through cleveland staten island in new york. there's not been violence. people were allowed to express themselves. >> has any of these things blown up ferguson, staten island -- >> it hasn't blown up.

>> okay. there was rioting here rioting in ferguson there could have been in staten island. there kind of was. >> no, there wasn't. >> but was there ever an instance where the protesters weren't allowed to protest or vent? >> no. and i think this is where the mayor got in trouble. you guys are right. once you allow people to say you can destroy behavior and misbehave, you're inviting bad behavior. but the idea that we have first amendment rights that's not just black people. >> you can't hide behind the first amendment when property is burned and people are hurt. >> oh yeah. the first amendment doesn't shield lawlessness or violence or destruction of property. that is not what it is for. so people that say that are making an excuse to be able to go ahead and offend and make crimes against other innocent people. so who is the bad one there? the people going out at night destroying lives, families who don't have a chance to rebuild? are you really part of the solution or are you at the core

of the problem? >> eric can i just take a second here? something just happened that happened. i agree with this completely. >> that was one of the most egregious things that -- >> no. go ahead. >> he basically said that these protesters -- the rioters are in their right. >> he said they are not rioters. these are people who are -- don't call them rioters. these are folks who are working in an uprising. i mean this is reflective. jesse jackson at the funeral said we needless police more jobs. again, people in denial making excuses for bad behavior. >> you know what the ultimate consequence of that is? president obama said we keep showing the same place being burned. if you were cbs, do you decide to go back and build again in a neighborhood like this? if you can't trust the community or depend on city leaders to protect you when things go bad, why would you want to move in these places so when they call

it a row of uprising or a few buildings on fire the long-term results, because we've heard that it's taken us decades to get past the riots in the '60s, the long-term result is a city dies and people move out. you have 14 15% of baltimore residents that have left since the riot since the '60s. this is going to continue. you will kill your city off because no one wants to go there. >> you know what even in a black community black businesses are destroyed. so somebody who built their business -- >> it hurts my heart to sit here. when you look at immigrants coming from around the world, why do they come to america, it's opportunity. it's not delivered by people who say it's an uprising. don't want to say it's a riot or these kids are out of control. >> real estate property values are down 30% still. they may never recover. >> and then you have immigrants who do come here and where are

their business? in the rough officer neighborhoods and they are the guy who is get destroyed. so you have a vietnamese owner there trying to make good for his family and his place gets destroyed. >> the unfortunate thing is that this is all happening in neighborhoods where there is no education. >> correct. >> there is like we said no parenting. >> yeah. >> and there is no one there leading these kids into a right direction, showing them what is right. i understand their anger and their frustration. everyone gets angry. but it's -- i know this because i grew up in an area like this. you'd rather be mad than sad. there has to be someone, if the gangs are willing to unite together to do some nefarious act, i'm hoping and praying that they would be willing to unite together with the police and start a dialogue on how to fix the source of the problem.

>> i heard black people saying we need no police we need more social workers. >> who need the police the most are the people in highly violent, dysfunctional black communities that call somebody for help. >> people who live in those communities know that. believe me. they welcome it. so they can go out at night to, go to the grocery store and do whatever they need to do to run their every day life. this violence and lawlessness is not the answer and it's disheartening -- >> look at that. we finally found a point of agreement. >> at one point president obama said we need more investments in these communities. what does that mean? throw money at the problem? >> if that's the case that's a losing proposition. we throw money at schools and that's not necessary low the solution. >> i hope it means actual people going into the community. >> and fixing things?

>> and fixing it. >> set your dvr so you don't ever miss an episode of "the five." stay tuned for coverage in baltimore. "special report" coming up on deck right now. this is a fox news alert. i'm bret baier in washington not far from here streets of baltimore are extremely tense as sunset approaches. you're looking at live aerial photos. national guardsmen are fanned out across the city. baltimore police with riot shields, as you just saw there on the streets. community leaders urging an end to the violence. at least 15 police officers were hurt. we have fox team coverage tonight and ed henry is at the white house with president obama's multi-layer response to the violence at a press conference. rick leventhal i