don't forget tomorrow night we have someone very close to most of the officers involved in this case. he will be joining us exclusively. so set your dvr for that. our interview with the other gentleman tonight will be on facebook.com/the kelly files. check it out. stay tuned. sean hannity is next. in the death of freddie gray several law enforcement sources are now telling baltimore tv station wjla that there is no evidence that the police officers who were videotaped arresting gray caused his fatal injuries. now the report also says that the medical examiner determined that gray sustained his injuries while in the van, and that a wound on his head matched the bolt that is on the vehicle. and sources close to the officers who arrested gray are telling fox news tonight that they believe gray was upset about being arrested and started banging his head on the wall of the van in anger in order to get the driver's attention.

now all this as protests now break out once again tonight in major u.s. cities like baltimore, philadelphia and cincinnati. and in baltimore, the city is on edge again tonight with the national guard in the streets, now helping to enforce this 10:00 p.m. curfew that is now taking effect. joining us now tonight once again, live on to the ground with the very latest is our own leland vitter. leland? >> reporter: i'm walking with congressman elijah cummings. he just led a march here away from the main corn they're had been the flash point and we're now walking back towards it. congressman, what was your message for the folks tonight? >> that this is a great country, and that we have a process, that we have a great state's attorney who is now it's in their hands, and see where we'll take the case from here. and i absolutely believe in the process. >> you heard the leak and obviously you have talked to so many folks who are out here.

do you think the leaks and what has come out has made things worse or has made things better as information? >> we're always searching for the truth. ms. mosby -- she is skillful. she is trusted. >> leland will he trust the verdict if it comes in based on the new information? >> go ahead? >> she'll apply the law, and she will come to her conclusions. >> and if for example, she came to the same conclusions they came to in ferguson, that there aren't any charges, would you trust that if it came to that? >> i trust my state's attorney. >> that's a pretty clear answer. what do you make of the fact right now that it's 10:00 and there is still a lot of folks on the street? >> no, i figure there is a lot of media on the streets. >> a lot of media. that is true. there is a lot of us there. is a lot of us around congressman. >> as soon as y'all put the cameras down, the people are going to go away. >> what about the stand-down

order? >> there has been a lot of reporting, including some -- i just want to try to ask you a couple more questions. >> don't do this. >> what do you think about the stand-down order that was given to the police? we can't ask you any questions? congressman. >> he has been answering questions all night. he has been answering questions all night. >> not ours. we walked away from me twice. we just would like to talk to him. >> we got to get -- >> congressman, you won't talk to us? >> we have to get off the street as well. >> excuse me, i don't think you got me. what do you mean you have me? >> i'm talking to him. >> you're not next to him. >> he needs to stop. >> all right, sean obviously, sean the congressman doesn't have any interest in answering any more of our questions. whatever they may be. earlier we talked to him. we asked him a couple of question, what you think about the stand-down order. it looks like the congressman is getting into his car over here. and evidently we've got some folks who are trying to keep us from walking over there. the congressman is getting into his car. earlier we asked him a couple of

questions. number one, what about the stand-down order. and we're going to go ahead and keep a shot of the congressman leaving. number one, what about the standdown order that was given to police? he says that he doesn't know anything about it. number two, i asked him the question that has been going around a lot, sean the question that you've been asking a lot as well which is all of the lewters and the rioters and everybody else that we saw in the streets of baltimore for so long that when a number of members of the media, yourself myself included call them thug. we were attacked. i said to the congressman, what is an appropriate term to call them? and he said human beings. and with that walked off. and then after that led that march with the singing that we saw before the curfew took effect. and now as the curfew is beginning to take effect, there is some light rain. you can see some of the police presence. very heavy police presence back here in the alleys away from that main corner, which is where the cvs has burned. dave is going to keep walking back. dave has been doing incredible

work. dave is going to turn to his left and see all the way up the street where we're going to walk back up and see all of the riot police that have now gathered to be ready to clear this corner. so sir, you're walking up. can i talk to you, sir? i'm leland. how are you? >> proud. >> what do you think of the curfew right now? at 10:00, you're heading home? >> yeah i'm heading home. >> you're good with it? >> i'm fine with it. >> now you heard about this new evidence that has come out with these leaks about how freddie gray may have died right? >> yes. >> what do you think about it? >> i don't think nothing about it. i just know that what they did is wrong. that's all i say. >> what the police did you think is wrong? >> wrong. that's all i got to say. >> what do you think is justice in this incident? >> i have nothing else to say. >> all right. we appreciate you talking with us. safe trip home sir. so that's the interview there. you might remember, sean at this corner, there weren't a lot of folks last night gathered around. now it appears that there is a lot more people gathered past

10:00 than what we had before. we've got a number of folks giving interviews up here. and we have the police helicopter overhead. i'm going to get dave to pan up and show you the police helicopter that is going out, saying to everybody go home. here are the guys in the masks. and we have learned the hard way to probably not talk to the folks in the masks and try to get their feelings on the situation here. what is interesting, sean if you continue to look all the way up if you look all the way up that area, if you look all the way up that area a, you see all the riot police that is on standby. they have their armored cars up here. and then on both sides, we have the riot police. dave on both sides we have the riot police that are able now to move through the corners. and the police have been pretty consistent in asking us to not be in the middle of the street. and probably with good reason. because if the riot police move in this is not exactly where we

want to be. you see the two police commissioners over there, high-ranking police officers in their white uniforms. but not in their riot gear. there is the same woman we interviewed yesterday, sean fight another day, stop lethal force. the big question that i have heard continually from folks is will people obey the curfew? see if we can ask this gentleman here. >> a whole lot of positive going on right now. people are leaving. >> what is the point of view? >> people are leaving and going home. look. >> no ain't no positive. look. you're the media right? >> i'm the media. hold on. >> 10:00 this morning. >> what papers? >> the papers what the police saying they did to freddie. since 10:00 this morning, they ain't come back with no the police guilty, the police not guilty or nothing. >> so you don't think justice has been -- >> the police had 2:00 p.m. by 10:00, i was processed, had a

bail and everything. >> so you think justice hasn't come fast enough for you? >> it's not right. >> hey, leland -- >> towards the sidewalk a little bit. keep walking with me sir. go ahead, sean. >> leland ask him about the medical examiner and ask him about the "washington post" report. >> you all say the police did nothing. the state's attorney stephanie rawlings-blake all y'all. >> i have a question for you sir. sir, can i can you a question? >> what. >> there has ban lot of reports about the way things have come out in terms of what may or may not have happened to freddie. you keep chanting "no justice, no peace". >> right. >> do you think there is a chance that the -- >> wrong. if i shot freddie, i would have been in jail. the police killed freddie. no way. they're on vacation. they're in disney world. vegas. >> that's not what the medical examiner says or "the washington post" or the other prisoner. >> there are other reports out that for some reason the medical examiner and according to "the washington post" and other media

outlets, they don't think that anything may have gone wrong, and they think that freddie may have died by bouncing up and down in the back of the van. or are you convinced the police killed him? >> can you bounce up and down in the back of the van and break 80% of your spine? >> i've never been in the back of the van. >> you know what your spine is? >> i do. >> can you break 80% of your spine by bouncing up and down in the back telephone van? >> i don't know. i'm not a doctor. >> that's what the medical examiner said. >> go ahead sean. >> i want to ask one last thing. we now know the police were told to stand down. is he angry that he told the police to stand down? >> they secured him by shackles. how can he bounce around in the back of the van. >> you make some good point. >> yeah, i'll make your points. but nobody listen to my point. >> i have one other question for you. were you out here on monday night? >> yeah. >> they keep wanting us to go to the sidewalk. you were out here on monday night. i was too. there was all of the rioting and looting, all the things that happened on monday night. and you were getting your kids in the house. a lot of people weren't.

but the police were ordered to stand down not do anything. i'm wondering what you think about that. >> the police ain't do -- >> you agree that the police didn't do anything on monday? >> right. >> and you agree that is a good thing or a bad thing? >> i don't -- with the police. why? because they killed freddie. look, the police killed freddie. so i'm not dealing with the police. you know why? because i got children. i got children that are scare to have had police. my son see the police my son run. you know why? >> what did the police do? i've heard that a lot. you heard that. what did the police do? >> go to jail for killing people. >> so you think if police officers go to jail because of freddie, then all of the sudden your kids will trust the police? >> no. what i think is if the state's attorney shows the police for killing freddie, then maybe we can trust them. if you all ain't charge the police for killing freddie, we don't trust y'all for nothing. we don't care what y'all do. we're not listening to y'all no more. i'm not. >> and you heard enough evidence. you're convinced that the police

are guilty? >> it ain't about just that. >> man, you seen the evidence. state's seen the evidence. everybody seen the evidence. you seen what i seen. he's seen what i've seen. she's seen what i've seen. everybody seen what i seen. >> leland -- >> you remember what happened in ferguson right? >> look up there, look up there. police cameras. police camera. police camera. police camera, police camera. everywhere. and the police camera seen them drag that man into the van healthcheck was okay. he came out of the van -- >> leland, nobody knows what happened and everybody thought "hands up don't shoot" was the mantra in ferguson. >> i can't cuss. i'm sorry. they not trying to show what's they did. >> okay. do you remember what happened in ferguson, right? you remember what happened there? and you think they killed somebody for nothing in ferguson. what do you think -- the police

are asking us to get out of the street. we appreciate. all right. there we go. we're trying to help the police out. they have been doing incredible work under tough circumstances. >> they ain't lock nobody up. >> you remember what happened in ferguson right? >> yeah. >> and you remember the whole idea of "hands up don't shoot". >> right. >> do you think that's what happened? >> they coming to get me right now. them, right there. >> we got the police coming over here. we got the police coming. the chief of the police is asking us now to move off the street. and sean we're just going to back up. you can see the riot line. dave go ahead and turn around there is the riot line there is the riot line right now that the police have formed up. this is the first time we have seen them in the riot lines before. >> they're coming for us because we talk. >> all right. they're telling us -- all right. tell me a little bit more what you were thinking? what do you think about this when you see this? >> what i'm thinking is -- talk for a minute?

>> can't right now. >> we just asking you all for a minute about why we ain't got no results about what happened since 10:00 this morning. >> all right. so we have the police public information officer there, sean just to give you an idea what the situation is. the police now is trying to -- the police information officer is trying to let a couple of folks go home. and there is the police line right there. so police are asking everybody to go home. we're getting some feelings out here from the police that they're not quite thrilled with the amount of media attention that is here and the amount of interviews that we're doing. >> we going to jail. we ain't going to jail! [ sills ] >>. >> amen. hey, my friend my friend. you don't -- you don't want to get shot. you don't want to get pepper

sprayed. we don't want to get pepper sprayed. we don't want to get pepper sprayed. talk to me for one minute. tell us where you live and we'll walk home with you. >> i live around the corner. >> all right. so we'll walk home with you and keep talking. is that all right? does that sound good? [ no audio ] sometimes the language gets a little tough out here at 10:00. i just want to ask you one more. i want to ask you another question here. and sean i think that interview may be may be over sean. it's gotten a little -- it's getting a little heated out here as you can tell. and there is not that many people out here. as we look around right now in terms of the number of people sean almost everybody is going home. what's out here is the media and the police. back to you, sean. >> all right, leland vitter on the ground in baltimore tonight. also tonight, protesters in philadelphia are marching to show unity in baltimore for the people in baltimore. and for more coverage from that city we turn to wtfx

reporter -- hang on we just lost them. we have geraldo rivera also standing by also in baltimore tonight. we'll go to him first. all right. hang on. we'll go to dave kincheon. he is in philly tonight. what is going on, dave? >> sean good evening to you. we are here at the central detective division of philadelphia. we're here with the philadelphia is baltimore rally. these are folks from philadelphia and they say that they're showing support for the family of freddie gray. but i have to tell you, they have a message for police. i got to tell you. there have been a lot of racial attacks here. i've been attacked because of my race. >> you have not! >> i've been told -- >> tell me why you're here. why are you here? tell us why you're here. >> oh, boy. looks like something had happened and got thrown at him. we'll go back to dave as soon as

we can. emotions running very high in philly tonight. and unlike baltimore, there is no curfew going on there. we'll check back in with philly in a few minutes. but first we go to geraldo rivera. he is on the ground. he is in baltimore tonight as the curfew now is 16 minutes into effect. geraldo. >> hi sean. the police line has formed shield to shield. officers clearly outnumbering what is left of the protesters. the stragglers are being herded away as leland reported. emotions tend to flare here or there. but it's not really -- it's not really an epidemic, i don't think, of passion spilling out the way it has been earlier this week. now as you walk the line these officers come not only from baltimore, as you know but from counties throughout the state of maryland pennsylvania and new jersey as well as federal officials. now, everybody is keen to react

to what is happening in the case itself. you know that now they are talking about a fourth stop on that van, the van that arrested freddie gray 25-year-old freddie gray. a fourth unauthorized stop detected by a private surveillance camera that -- what is your problem? what is your problem? what is your problem? what? go ahead. you can only talk and what? you're only brave when the camera is turned? only brave when the camera is turned? you anarchists. you anarchists. you're nothing. you ain't nothing. you know, this is really something. these guys the light gets off them and they're all brave, brave as can be. all right. here come the officers. they are. they are not -- they are absolutely not going to condone any kind of -- what's that? >> why is there so much hostility from a lot of the locals towards you?

i'm curious. >> these aren't locals. occupy here and there. they're professional anarchists. the people i think have always been wonderful to me in my long -- >> why the helmet? >> a squirmy little creep like that. and that's a thug right there. that's a white thug right there. yeah, right, yeah, right there. you go. so, you know sean i want to get back to that point, the substantive point that i made. there is real concern now with this unauthorized stop and the fact that they're not releasing the autopsy tomorrow rather turning it over to the state's attorney for a grand jury. and they worry that like eric garner like -- >> we got to take a break here, geraldo. >> that the same thing will happen here. okay sean. you got it. >> we'll get right back to geraldo. we turn back to philly and reporter dave kinchen is back with us. it looks like you got hit before.

>> what is that you say? >> it looked like you got hit. are you okay? >> yeah yeah i'm okay. i'm all right. i tell you, this has been a pretty crazy situation here there is at least a thousand people here. this rally is called philly is baltimore. they say that they're lobbying folks, lobbying the police department. they're angry over what they call police brutality. sir, just tell me why are you here? >> we are here because what happened in baltimore. >> why are you here? >> we are here because philadelphia is rife with the same types of concerns that we see in baltimore, that -- >> but that's a separate case? isn't that a separate case? >> in philadelphia we have police officers who have been fired for misconduct but have been reinstated because of arbitration arbitration. >> but that case is separate. why march in philly because it didn't happen in philly? >> what i just said. it's a racist systematic system. >> systematic system? >> it's a racist system that continues to disrespect and mistreat black people. >> but hang on a second.

this case is under investigation. >> the case is under investigation. >> so the question we have here let me ask you this. why not wait until the verdict is out? why not wait until the information is out? >> it goes beyond the individual case. it is an ongoing system that has been wont continuously corrupt over the years. and we're just now confronting it because now is the best time of all time. >> some say the process works because of what happened in south carolina when an officer was charged with murder. but the question people have here is the people you're on national television now. people want to know why not just wait until the information comes out? a lot of people are upset. the family is upset. >> somebody is dead. somebody is dead. >> for example, when the black people when we rally and whatever you call it you call us thugs. but when there is a basketball game -- >> you're talking about something totally different. we're trying to get answers fro people here. we're not getting straight

information here. but people are angry. >> what difference -- -- >> hey, dave can you hear me? >> in philadelphia regarding a situation that didn't happen here. >> dave can you hear me? >> yeah. >> dave why don't you ask them there is new information that has come out from "the washington post," from the medical examiner that suggests that freddie gray inflicted the injuries on themselves. if the evidence shows that are they not willing to accept that as truth? >> let me ask you this. "the washington post," they have a report out that says according to the medical examiner's office freddie gray his injuries were self-imposed that he had deliberately injured himself. now, if that turns out to be true -- >> where are you getting this information? >> that is from "the washington post" quoting the medical examiner. >> a lot of the police reports that we simply cannot trust at this point. >> so you can't trust it because you don't like the sound of it. >> no. >> we --

>> what is that true? why can't you accept that if it is true? >> if it's true as soon as we erase all the systematic racism. >> can we have conversations about that instead of yelling at people? you didn't tell me but i've been told i'm a sellout simply because we're reporting information. to me that doesn't seem like that's the answer. >> you're not focusing on the reason we're out here. you're focusing on all of the distractions. we are out here because black lives matter and because people of color continue to get mistreated and killed. >> don't all lives matter? don't the police who got hurt their lives matter? >> black lives particularly. >> so all lives don't -- >> the purpose -- >> do you believe all lives matter? >> all lives matter, but the purpose of black lives matter is to address black issues. when it becomes all lives matter it directs the attention away from black issues. >> let me ask you this question. if it turns out that "the washington post" report is true that according to the medical examiner that freddie gray that his injuries were

self-inflicted. if that's true, would you be able to accept that? >> that doesn't -- that still doesn't answer or account -- >> answer the question. would you be able to accept it? >> it goes beyond a yes or no question. >> ever since black people stopped working for free, they've been trying to get rid of us. >> if we go back to the michael brown case, the narrative from day one was michael brown had his hands up and then it was "hands up don't shoot." then it turns out many black eyewitnesses corroborated the officer's story that that didn't happen. so why have we not learned not to rush to judgment? why haven't we learned that at this point? >> we're saying black lives matter. >> i heard the second half of that question. if i understand it you're asking that protester that had said that michael brown said "hands up don't shoot." but it turned out according to witnesses that was not the case, that right? >> multiple black eyewitnesses in that case said that never happened, dave.

>> right. right. okay. so let's talk about michael brown. in that case, multiple black witnesses said that indeed his hands were not up contrary to the chants quoting him as saying his hands were up, don't shoot. >> wait wait, wait. okay. >> so the question is why do we rush to judgment? >> okay we rush to judgment until the information is out? >> we rush to judgment because this has been happening since we got free. >> but specific case, this is a specific case and a the michael brown case. you can't go from one case to others. they're separate others. >> no, it's not separate because it's the same system. it's the same system. >> separate police department. >> ignoring black genocide. >> hang on a second. so you're saying that the baltimore police department ordered black genocide? your questions are redirecting the attention. >> this government, this government was build on oppression.

>> that's a separate government. that's a separate jurisdiction. >> america -- >> let me ask you why do we rush to judgment on these issues? why do people rush to judgment? >> we're not rushing to judgment. the reason we're here is for justice. and we are here against injustice. >> does the system not work? >> specifically against the african american. >> so does the system not work? >> that's not the issue. >> you say you're waiting for issue. isn't it true that the system is what we have to get to justice? >> listen the cops in baltimore were criminally negligent. and that's why -- >> you have seen the report? you've seen all the evidence? >> i have not seen the report. >> so how can you see? >> i've seen the video. the man's body was limp. the man's body was limp. >> you saw everything in the van? >> we're not here for evidence. we're here for justice. >> how can you be here for justice if you don't have the information? >> so listen. there is an educational system or lack thereof that exists here

in philadelphia and throughout the united states that institutionalizes african american men and african american women. >> but what does that have to do with baltimore? >> a lot to do with a 25-year-old man. >> the information out before we know everything that happened. and again, the medical examiner telling the "washington post" -- well again -- sean there is a rush to judgment here. we've got officers here. they've been silent. they've been trying to hold the line. they've been trying to provide security here. and they've been doing a great job. and i got to tell you, most people have been civil. there were a couple of fights that started. but this whole thing has been civil. but when you ask people questions, when you try to get answers to why do we rush to judgment why do we wait until the system works, that gentleman just told me -- >> dave -- >> we don't have all of the information. so the question is why don't we wait until all -- as americans, why don't we wait until all the

information is out? so we're making a rush to judgment. >> another black man gets killed? >> don't all lives matter? >> how many have you seen shot in the last two years by officers? >> it happens. it happens. >> how many white men have you seen shot? >> but don't we say all lives matter? >> how many white men have you shot by officers? how many white men have you seen shot by officers? >> you're not going to answer the question. you're not going to answer the question. they just minutes ago, hang on just minutes ago they were saying all lives mattered. but now, but now hang on a second, but they said all lives matter. but then -- >> hey, dave hey, dave can you hear me, dave? >> i'm good sean. go ahead by the way, a great job there, i know under very difficult circumstances. the crowd is actually worked up. i actually have an answer to it. there were 132 african americans killed by police. and anywhere between 7,000 and

9,000 african americans killed by other african-americans. and if you look at statistics, i can give them all the statistics they want. but we do have a principle that is called people are innocent until they are proven guilty. that's the way our justice system works. it seems like many that crowd don't want to abide by that or not apply to it the officers in spite of you urging them not rush to judgment. but great job for us dave. thank you. all right. we'll get back to dave later in the program. that's in philly tonight. we're going to go back to baltimore, where our own geraldo rivera is also on the ground as most people now have i guess gone back home as the curfew now is 28 minutes now in effect. geraldo, are most people gone now? have they gone home? >> right. most have left. there are a couple of troublemakers. this is reverend warren. he is not a troublemaker. he is a community organizer and author. so what happened? everybody is wondering what happens? is there great fear that the investigation will not result in

an indictment and conviction? >> absolutely, absolutely. a lot of the young people feel there will not be any justice. and that's what the problem is. they don't trust the police. they don't trust the system. period. >> but, you know the process has to play out? >> absolutely. but you see, like i've been saying we have to educate people to what the process is, how the process works. so tomorrow some of the young people feel like it's going to be justice. and they don't understand the process. i've talked to a lot of the young people out here. and i shared with them there is a process. >> geraldo, we're going to have to interrupt you. we have to take a break here. geraldo, stay right there. we'll come back to you in a second and we'll have more of our coverage of the protests in baltimore, in philly and around the country. plus tonight we'll be joined by two friends of freddie gray. we'll get their exclusive reaction to his death and the violent protests that have

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welcome back to "hannity." this is a fox news alert. police at this hour trying to clear the streets of baltimore to enforce the curfew that has now gone into effect just a little over 30 minutes ago. leland vittert is on the ground in baltimore with some breaking news. leland i understand the guy that you were talking to a little bit of trouble? what happened? >> oh exactly, sean. at some point you can only push this too far. the guy in the purple shirt who we were talking to the sweatshirt he talked for a long time. he was very angry. at one point we had to pull him back from the police line because he stopped talking to us and yelling at the police officers and cursing them that doesn't go over very well. once he left us and walked away we said hey, it's about time to leave and go. that's when things got a little tense there here. and then they arrested him. they threw him on the ground. a couple of things to note from this video, though you see of

him being arrested that our photographer dave shot. incredible work out here. is the guy in the white shirt who is standing over the person being arrested is the police commissioner of the city of baltimore. they are doing everything they can to not make arrests in this situation. they are trying everything they can in terms of warning to not make arrests. and at some point, at some time if someone yells, incites, does whatever to the police enough they're going out and grabbing individual people. what is interesting tonight, despite all of the riot police all of the riot lines we saw, there was not one piece of pepper spray deployed. there wasn't any rubber bullets used. there wasn't any tear gas used. that really goes to the level of restraint that the police are trying to show. the question is for all of us sean. as we've been reporting, the police were under a stand-down order over the past couple days. that is saturday sunday, monday. and that's what resulted in all the looting, sean, that

stand-down order. and now all of the sudden you have the pressure of what kind of the orders are they under now? i was talking to some police officers earlier today who were complaining to me about the fact that they weren't allowed to wear their riot helmets as they were stand thong police corner. and we even still have our hands tied. and that video of that man being arrested certainly leads you to believe that perhaps the authorization to arrest somebody has to come up pretty high, especially if you have a guy in a white shirt watching it. >> you know leland, what is interesting is you really tried to walk him out of that trouble and calm him down and say you'd walk him home. and it appears that he just couldn't control his anger. >> well, there is a lot of folks out here who you can't control. and at some point you have to kind of give up on reasoning. the gentleman in question who did get arrested had been walking behind congressman elijah cummings who has been out here sing praying, and telling everybody to go home as we saw on the top of the show. the gentleman was very upset behind congressman cummings. but it does show you, sean the

level of anger that exists out here on the streets. and also a lot of the folks on these streets in baltimore, the neighborhood we're in has a lot of abandoned homes. this is the only corner. that's the library. we have a cvs. but so many of these homes are abandoned. a number of the other ones we're told are drug houses here. it goes to show you that being angry to the point that you're going to get arrested by the cops doesn't mean much. some people are so angry, they don't really care if they get arrested. and obviously, in some cases they don't get arrested for looting and those kinds of things. and lot of the people who have gotten arrested over the past week have been let go. 100 of the 200 who were arrested on monday night we're told were let go. but you do get a sense of the anger, and also the desperation. a lot of folks say they just don't have anything to lose. and from the thousand foot view it may not seem like a big deal. at the microcosm level, they're willing to go to jail as you just saw. >> leland vittert, thank you so much oon the ground in baltimore tonight. we're monitoring situations all

throughout the country as protests are going on in philly. and still some people on the streets of baltimore where geraldo rivera is right now. geraldo, i see you have somebody with you. >> yes. this is reverend pamela. she really has been -- give me her bullhorn. she has been wielding a mean bullhorn getting people off the streets. she has done a great job, as the congressman cummings has as well. what happens, though, reverend pamela when there is no indictment tomorrow? a lot of these young people believe that tomorrow is the day they're going to get an autopsy report and the declaration by the authorities that a crime has been committed. that's not going to happen. what happens then? >> well i think with the media assisting us and social media as well as community and spiritual leaders going to the schools and putting things out on social media, letting people know that there is a process. >> i don't think social media is being that responsible. i think it's going the other way. i think social media is

inciting. i really do. when you see all these kids show up all of the sudden some place, not the community, but kind of a hard-core radical element. many of them not from baltimore. i'm seeing out of towners come in now. >> okay well i do believe that social media is doing that because a lot of people are telling me calling me, i'm getting calls, e-mails on my business line my personal line that things are out in social media, in social media where i'm a little tired. >> what about the disillusion, then? what about the disappointment tomorrow? >> well i don't think it's really going to be such a great disappointment tomorrow, because basically, all the paperwork has been turned over to the state's attorney. and -- >> i was just talking to the rempb. he said half the kids he talk to think tomorrow there is going to be a resolution. >> see, that's why we were trying to talk to them. and the congressman made sure

cummings made sure that they know what has been going on. because they have been out all day. they haven't been home to look at the news or to be on the phone, as they would normally be on instagram and twitter and facebook. they didn't have that chance. so a lot of them was ignorant to the fact that some of the new information that was given out today. >> all right. so what would you do personally in your own heart of hearts if it turns out that this poor man inflicted these injuries on himself, or i think more likely suffered a severe seizure, which is an involuntary muscular reaction and hurt himself and broke his neck that way? >> well, i don't know what took place. but i believe that with the system that we have in place here it's going to find out the truth. >> all right. i love your optimism. >> yeah. we want the truth. me you know the word of god teaches us not to judge things prematurely. and i think that everything has

a process. and i think rushed to me isn't done well. i think we should allow time and don't push it. >> i want you to preach that. >> get through the process. that's what i told channel 11 in my interview. >> geraldo -- >> i got to let you go. >> we need a process. >> i got you. thank you so much. okay. back to you, sean. >> all right, geraldo in the streets of baltimore. we'll go back to the streets of philly as there are protests going on there. still about a thousand protesters on the streets of philadelphia. coming up next, we're going to talk to two friends of freddie gray. we'll get their reaction to his death and the violent protests that have followed that exclusive interview, coming up straight ahead. meet the world's newest energy superpower. surprised? in fact, america is now the world's number one natural gas producer... and we could soon become number one in oil. because hydraulic fracturing technology is safely recovering lots more oil and natural gas. supporting millions of new jobs. billions in tax revenue... and a new century of american energy security. the new energy superpower?

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quinton, how many times did you bail freddie out of jail? >> times on three separate occasions. >> but he had a lot more arrests than that mostly for the distribution of narcotics? >> well i knew about three of them. >> and what were the narcotics? heroin? >> yeah. well heroin is prevalent in that area. >> so he is a heroin dealer? >> well -- >> he was a heroin dealer? >> he was accused of being a heroin dealer. >> didn't he spend a couple of years in jail? >> no i think he spent about six months. i think it was deferred. he had 100 hours community service. >> let me ask you this. and, look, i don't know why somebody at 8:39 in the morning would run away from a police officer. does that sound like a natural reaction to you? >> in that area it is. >> so if you're doing nothing wrong and you see a cop on a bike at:39 in the morning, you think everybody's reaction is to just run? >> no but i can put a light on freddie's. >> in other words, would it be because maybe he was involved in the previous activities that got him in trouble with the law?

>> yes, sir. >> let me ask you this. we have wjl reporting this afternoon that sources are reporting that gray's death and the medical examiner concluded that his injury was caused when he slammed himself into the back of the police transport van. and according to this report by wjla the neck injury is consistent with the bolt that was in the police van. in other words, these are self-inflicted injuries that resulted in his death. i don't know what happened to be honest with you. you don't know what happened, quentin quentin. but this is what they're now saying. this is what "the washington post" is reporting. we have fox news sources that have been telling us the same thing. if that turns out to be true, what is your reaction? >> i can accept it. >> yeah. do you think the community can? >> i can. well the community may not accept it hannity, because the community know one thing.

they say freddie wasn't put in his seat belt. >> yeah. >> the police never use seat belts in the paddy wagon, never. >> yeah. >> and by the commissioner the mayor, and the union chiefs didn't know that? >> yeah. >> something should be done. because rank and file know it. they're not going to get in your personal space and tuck you in like a baby. >> let me ask you as a bail bondsman who build a him out on three occasions, you say it's very common the dealing of narcotics in the area the distribution of narcotics. isn't that a sad state of affairs for a city to be in? >> it sure is. but what i really appreciate i'm sorry this happened to freddie. >> me too. >> but i'm glad everybody see the sad state of affairs that baltimore is in. >> it seems -- and i would agree with you there are some politics involved. probably not the night to get into it.

but this is a democratic-run city with a democratic council and a democratic mayor and a mayor that said you know let them destroy, give them room to destroy. and mayor that said stand down to the police on monday night. and we saw, you know, the innocent people of baltimore in their homes scared to death and businesses burned to the ground and rocks and bricks and boulders thrown at police officers. it's sad to see that in any city. >> it sure is. >> yeah. >> but you have to learn the underlying reason. >> and what do you think the underlying reason is? >> let me tell you something. like the city did a bad job in conveying the issue here. they didn't explain it to the people. so what happen it sounds like mumble jumble. now in this area where freddie gray is from over -- more people are locked up from sandtown than any community in the state of maryland. now right there, that's a sad

statement. you have good people there. you have homeowners. you have people that have been there five or six generations, okay. but the war on drugs is not doing anything. the little kids just like freddie gray -- >> quentin, would you want to legalize heroin? come on. you see what heroin does to people. you see what crack does to people. >> no no. i never would like to want to legalize heroin. i'm talking about the war on drugs. the war on drugs is also a war on people. >> well but i mean if somebody is in the neighborhood selling drugs to the kids in the neighborhood and the adults in the neighborhood they're contributing to their demise aren't they? >> they sure. but everybody in that neighborhood has rights. and when you strip them people of their rights you make them very paranoid. >> yeah. >> okay. just like freddie. he ran this time. he came in my office. let me explain something to you. he came in my office and say i want you to look at my charge papers okay?

i looked at his charge papers from the last arrest. it says the police were in covert position watching him sell drugs. this is what it said. >> right. >> it said that when they ran down on him and caught him, they couldn't catch nobody he sold- nobody, he had 300 bucks in his pocket. they asked a half hour of scouring the neighborhood. came back with a potato chip bag saying it was his heroin. so i guess the second time he seen the cops he didn't make out too good the first time. >> do you believe he was set up by the cops or do you believe the long history of narcotics is accurate? >> i think the cops knew him by sight. from the cameras. but knowing someone, knowing they're selling drugs is no reason to mess with them. they have to be doing something.

>> i get in trouble, i want you to be my bail bondsman, but i hope i i don't have to use you. . >> i hope you don't, either. >> joining us is a friend of the gray family adrian muldrow is with us. thanks for joining us >> thank you. i want to salute police officers and peace keepers that are out here trying to keep it peaceful. i just told my pastor he's praying with us praying and at the end of the day, this is a really serious issue. and i'm going to shut up. >> i prayed for your city as well we saw on monday night, we don't want to see this in our country. but we know that we have multiple police sources telling me that a stand down order was given by the mayor.

let them loot it's only property, she said. why would a mayor of any city allow that to happen? rocks and boulders and bricks? the looting that went on. why would she do that. aren't you angry about that? >> yes. i am. you know? i can understand the mayor. this is something -- we are around the same age. just imagine you being in a safe place and get that shocking news. you know? and at the end of the day, the mayor is the mayor of the city but can't control the reaction of people. >> woah, she controlled it on tuesday. they could have protected

innocent store owners in that city. >> we just had a meeting. my president and executive committee with lieutenant governor. one question raised was the questions about businesses. because i heard a guy, the lieutenant governor said they're working on plans. >> they want to see what happens. listen, i want to ask you about the report. you got the medical examiner the washington post saying his injuries were caused by himself, he slammed his head and back into the back of the paddy wagon. we asked people if that turns out to be the case would they believe it? people are saying no. will you accept the verdict of what the investigation brings out? people thought michael brown said "hands up don't shoot"

that never happened. we found out that was never true. >> to be honest in my opinion, i don't believe it. myself, i've been in a paddy wagon many times. i've been thrown in the back of a paddy wagon and have never had a broken spine. you can see from the evevidence -- >> they say his neck injuries is consistent with a bolt in the police van. >> so my question is did they throw him in there? you know? >> they stopped twice for him. i'm on a hard break. but listen thank you for what you're doing. god bless your city. jublia is a prescription medicine proven to treat toenail fungus. use jublia as instructed by your doctor. look at the footwork! most common side effects include ingrown toenail, application-site redness itching, swelling, burning or stinging, blisters, and pain. smash it! make the call and ask your doctor if jublia is right for you.

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every day. let's see what happens this weekend >> we hope and pray for the fact. >> you said the idea they ordered cops to stand down was a disgrace that could have been prevented. thanks for joining us that is all the time we have left we'll see you back here tomorrow night. the o'reilly factor is on. tonight. >> can you answer our questions? then you will answer our question? >> excuse us, excuse us. excuse us. >> whoa. >> major heat coming down on the city of baltimore for not protecting the citizenry. now, sharpton is involved. things are very intense. >> hey why can't we ask questions? >> stefanie rowling's blake is a black woman. barack obama is half white half black and he is identifies as black. president obama criticizing looters. >> when are we going to have