5:00 a.m. curfew went into effect. the mood had been mostly celebratory with many cheering the state attorney's decision to charge the officers. freddie gray's stepfather is pleased with the decision. >> it's an important step in getting justice for freddie. and we ask that whoever comes to our city a city that we love a city that we live in come in peace. >> a lawyer for the police union says the officers did nothing wrong. and that the charges are, quote, an erroneous rush to judgment. the six officers have all been released on bond. i'm patricia stark. "hannity" starts now. thanks megyn. we have an exclusive interview with a colleague of the six officers who were charged in the death of freddie gray. in just a moment we'll have new insider information about what happened when freddie gray was in fact arrested.

but first, six baltimore cops involved in the arrest of gray are now facing an array of criminal charges, including second-degree murder for the cop that is driving the van. now, in baltimore tonight, the city's once again on lockdown. and with authorities trying to clear the streets to enforce a curfew that is now going into effect at this very minute. joining us now on the ground in baltimore, once again, is our own leland vitter. leland? >> reporter: sean you can hear the honking horns going on. you would think the ravens won in the super bowl or something like that. you can see some of the folks that are still out dancing in the middle of the streets. we'll step back to give you a little bit of perspective. the streets are down this avenue and down pennsylvania where you see the satellite trucks there. now comes a moment of truth. the police helicopters overhead telling everyone to go home. obviously those folks that are dancing there, probably aren't. we're going to walk over here a little bit, and i just want you to just tell me do you feel the

same level of celebration and excitement that these folks do? >> i do. i'm not celebrating as these people are, but it's a celebration. >> walk back with me. >> i feel it as well. we deserve it. we deserve it. >> we're going to walk over here and try to get to talk to somebody on the truck here. are you going to go home at 10:00? it's past the curfew. >> i'm going to go home when i feel as though i want to go home. >> reporter: you don't think you should abide by the curfew? >> there's nothing being done here that's unsafe right now. why not celebrate. we deserve it. >> reporter: is it celebrating an arrest? what's it celebrating? >> it's celebrating, you know it's a long way yet, but it's something. >> reporter: we're going to see if we can talk to some folks on the truck. there may be a little bit of salty language here that

sometimes has happened here. we'll see if any of these guys would be able to talk. there's a lot of young kids. this fellow -- hold on. come on down and talk to me for a second. no stay up on the truck. just lean down and talk to me for a second. tell me why are you dancing on the truck? >> because, man. a lot of people think that it's a one-day thing. a lot of people think it's a one-month thing. this is a year-round 365 thing. >> reporter: are you convinced that the police officers are guilty? >> i'm convinced that the police officers are guilty. i'm convinced that they're covering a lot of things up. and i'm convinced that the truth is not put forward. >> reporter: all right. i'm going to hop up here for a second with you guys. >> leland ask him what he thinks the evidence is that supports that claim? >> reporter: tell me what evidence have you heard that you think supports the claim that the police officers are guilty? >> i feel like from the beginning of when he first got into the paddy wagon, from when

he got into the van, he had unlimited -- he didn't have -- he didn't have use of his legs. he didn't have use of his legs. >> reporter: you guys have to speak up a little bit. >> he didn't have use of his legs. he was hurt then. he was hurt afterwards. >> reporter: and simply by the fact that he was okay when he got into the van is enough for you, that they should be charged with murder? >> i feel like from when they tackled him, he was hurt critically. critically. this city the police will tell you you're going to get beat. >> reporter: hold on one second. i want to talk to you. tell me your name ma'am. >> i'm kelly. >> reporter: why are you out here? >> i'm out here to show support. baltimore is a great city. we come together. we are here for the support of freddie gray and his family. this is what we do.

this is what we love. >> reporter: and tell me -- i have a question for you. you said baltimore is a great city and everybody's out here chanting for justice. is there an issue about justice for everybody who was involved in the whole event? not only freddie gray but everybody who is looting the stores and all those kinds of things? >> i'm not really in support of looting. >> reporter: you think the stores that are looted that were looted do you think those people should face justice, too? the looters should be arrested too? >> i really can't make that call. you know it's not for me to make that call. >> are the cops innocent until proven guilty? >> reporter: this is an important question. everybody here said that they think that the cops are guilty. that they're convinced of that. do you believe the cops are guilty? or are they innocent until proven guilty? >> no i believe they're guilty right now. >> reporter: you're sure they're

guilty? >> i mean from the looks of things i'm sure. >> reporter: you're for sure? now, everyone's chanting no justice. no justice, no peace. do you think there's going to be peace tonight? >> i'm hoping so. >> reporter: you're not going home? >> i'm ready to go home. >> reporter: they're going home right now. can i talk to you for a second sir? >> i don't have a second. >> reporter: what do you think about this? >> i ain't thinking about nothing, man. >> reporter: you're holding up a sign go home. why? >> we want to respect the curfew. >> we are home. what do you mean go home. we are home. >> reporter: you think that -- what do you think -- we're going to keep walking over here. how is it going, man? how are you guys feeling? what do you think about tonight? >> i think it's more positive than negative. i think everybody feels a sense of relief.

i think the city was hurting. but i think the sense of closure. >> reporter: i want to talk to this woman. she said she wasn't going to go home. do you mind if we talk to you for a second? hi i'm leland. why are you so angry? >> what do you mean why am i so angry? >> reporter: you said you don't want to go home. >> this is the reason i'm angry. >> reporter: sean back to you. >> on the ground in baltimore tonight, we're joined by our own geraldo rivera. >> reporter: hey, sean we're at city hall. where about 200 demonstrators seem to be refusing to leave. the police have mustered quite a bit. these youngsters a crowd that looks not as inner city as some of the others. what's your reaction to today's arrests? >> no comment. >> reporter: don't push the microphone.

why do you want me to stay with you? >> you're supposed to be part of the media. it's your job to report this, right? >> reporter: all right. do you want me to say -- >> it's your job to report this honestly. i want you to report this honestly. >> reporter: but the curfew is up. the curfew is up. >> we're trying to beat the curfew. >> reporter: what happens if you come and get charged? >> we're not getting charged. there's too many people in the jails right now. we're not getting charged. >> reporter: use the right language please. >> i don't care about them. i don't care about them. >> reporter: how about you?

are you satisfied with what happened? the arrest of the officers? >> we still have a long way to go. satisfied for now. >> reporter: innocent until proven guilty? you're going to get in trouble defying the curfew. >> i'm not defying anything. >> reporter: what happens if the cops are acquitted in the trial? >> i mean peace and justice. that's all we have. >> reporter: sean the -- this crowd is defying the curfew. i don't know what -- okay here come the officers now. turn around. turn around gregory. here they come. here they come. all right. they're not messing around. they're not messing around. all right. all right now. you've got some real pounding going on here. the cops are swarming over the demonstrators that have defied the curfew. one is being arrested right

here. you're seeing handcuffs behind his back. the captains are coming in. the officers -- look over there. they're really moving them now. all right, i'm good i'm good. there's a line of forces out there as well. all right. up and over, okay. they aren't messing around. these cops are not messing around. they have kind of 1960s era nonviolent protesters like this old fella here. give me the bigger shot. when you look out there, they have you know encountered some of these young men who were so defiant just minutes ago, now are being restrained. and arrested. you can see them being taken away there. this big line here -- all right.

here comes a line of officers moving down. >> you all right, geraldo? >> reporter: i'm all right. i'm all right. the line of officers have cleared the park essentially. these people who were defying the curfew. where are they going to go i have no idea. one is restrained right here. get this shot of -- who is -- oh that's just a cameraman. you've got people on the ground. others are being cuffed in the background there. you've got a massive presence here. here come the officers. they're moving the line. the line's moving now. come on gregory. back up. watch it. all right. okay. up up, up. >> i've got it. >> reporter: a violent -- i

would say a couple of hundred -- there's some violence here as the officers are confrontingsome of the more stubborn of the protesters. they are not allowing any slack here. they have restrained them. some with vigor. shall they are drawing the line. sean they are clearing -- i haven't seen the horses in action. all right. you can see, sean the line outside the park now, the line the horses. they are not messing around. baltimore, i know that the police sean are upset and despondent over the arrests today. don't make any mistake about that. but they are vigorous enough to do their job with great energy and dedication it seems to me.

>> geraldo, you said something earlier tonight on the channel that i want to go to. you said there is an emotional reaction. you're also an attorney geraldo. and there is a legal aspect to all of this and a very very high bar that has been set by this prosecutor. and one has to wonder considering she might be able to show that the cops civilly, they might have a case. they didn't put the seat belt op. civilly they might have a case as well because he didn't get medical attention. but to reach the bar of depravity and second-degree murder or manslaughter has the city been set up for a verdict that may not come? >> reporter: i think, sean as a lawyer let me speak in a moment of relative calm. although there's scant little of it around. i think that what happened today was part legal and part political. i think one will pollute the

other, if you get my meaning. some of the statements the state's attorney made today will i think, force a change of venue from this emotionally charged community of baltimore someplace else. and it may even lay the ground for a special prosecutor to be appointed. in terms of the strength of the state's case against the six officers i surmise that the six were arrested and charged so broadly, so many of them white and black, because the state's attorney is hanging her hat on the fact that the cops might turn one against the other and get testimony against each other. if they don't, the state will have a very difficult time proving its case because who killed freddie gray. how was he killed. when did he get the fatal injuries inflicted. was it during the arrest. was it as he was being dragged from the scene of the initial

arrest to the van. was it in the paddy wagon itself. you know these are questions beyond a reasonable doubt. each and every charge has to be proven. >> you're basically echoing, geraldo, the comments of sheriff david clark, who said that he thinks this is very political, and that this was done to try and appease an angry crowd. the prosecutor used terms like our time is now. to the people of baltimore, i heard your calls of no justice, no peace. i've got to believe that those comments may come back to haunt the prosecution. >> reporter: i think that they will. and it was a political -- as i said a judicial/political commentary by the state's attorney. but imagine, you saw what just happened here. you saw the pushing, the shoving, the people being arrested the confrontations between the officers and the demonstrators. imagine, sean if there was not

the arrest of the officers today, that was political. but it relieved this community of the ugliest of the tensions. >> geraldo, what you're suggesting here is predicated on very dangerous ground that if this is a political prosecution, if this is to appease an angry group of people or an angry crowd, we don't have justice as we know it in america. that's not justice. >> reporter: listen to what i d on the legal side she arrested so many cops and charged them so broadly because she expects them to turn that's the legal strategy. i think that is probably an effective strategy ultimately. unless the cops have all already made deals amongst themselves. on the political side i think that was a necessary calming, but it will in all probability affect in some ways pollute the legal side of it. >> we also have the -- i think

you're right about the change of venue. i think there's a strong case that can be made there. we also have the issue of the recuse al of the prosecutor and special prosecutor appointed, because we now know that the gray family attorney and in fact the prosecutor that the family attorney was -- her biggest campaign donor, and on her transition team. and freddie gray's lawyer donated to the campaign of the prosecutor. that is a massive conflict of interest. >> reporter: i think that whenever you have an elected judge, in whatever community, you have an inherent conflict of interest when anyone donates to their campaign is then subsequently involved in a legal action. i don't think the conflict of interest story is as big as some commentators do. but i tell you, because of the weakness in the state's criminal case i believe the federal government which is already here in great strength the justice department should make this a federal civil rights case. because there is scant doubt but that freddie gray's civil rights

were violated whether it doesn't matter specifically -- >> the civil case? >> reporter: it doesn't matter who did what when. a federal civil rights case. >> there's three different aspects of it. there's a possibility of a civil case a civil rights case and -- >> reporter: there's more disruption. i'm going to go this way. go ahead, sean. >> they're not putting you in the paddy wagon, geraldo? >> reporter: not yet. please. you can represent me sean. >> stay safe on the streets there. >> reporter: go up there, gregory. get up there. go, go, go! horses are moving. the horses are moving. >> hang on. we'll stay with geraldo. >> reporter: horses are on the move. first time they've employed the horses. all right. very effective crowd control, always have been. most of the animals have nose

masks on to prevent injury. here are some of the arrestees. gregory, get the camera in there. there's one of the kids being arrested. over 100 of them were arrested on monday night. and were let go because 48 hours later they could not yet charge them. hello. hello. oh, sorry. sorry. here you are. these are more occupy wall street types, sean. it's almost like i recognize these guys from downtown new york where it all started a couple of years ago. these professional agitators and demonstrators that go from town town. they don't seem like locals to me. >> geraldo, we'll get back to you. >> reporter: we'll continue to monitor this. >> okay. geraldo on the ground in baltimore.

mike tobin is with the crowd right now. mike what's going on? >> reporter: well this is the biggest crowd that we have seen defying the curfew. now we're about 20 minutes after the curfew. and i can tell you, in the last couple of minutes, we saw a very low police presence. in the last couple of minutes, we've got this big throng of what looks like state troopers out there that have just formed up on the east side of the street. they've never been there before. to give you a scene set. i'll give you a look around here. still a lot of media. got this gentleman -- let me ask you a question. what are you still doing out? >> celebrating, man. a little bit of civil disobedience man. >> reporter: 10:00 came around you knew the deadline how come you're still staying? >> celebrateing, man. >> does he believe people are innocent until proven guilty? >> reporter: i'm getting a question from sean hannity back in new york. do you believe that people are

innocent until proven guilty? >> i have to. that's the way the system works, right? >> reporter: you see a lot of people out here calling for a conviction of the officers arrested. >> i want a conviction myself. >> reporter: on what evidence? >> the real party is going to be when he gets convicted. when those cops be convicted, that's what i'm -- >> reporter: are you going to let the process -- if you don't get the conviction you want how are you going to react to that? >> i'm going to be very upset. >> reporter: really? what's the evidence that tells you that you should get a conviction? >> well one, the police have been putting out the wrong information as far as his injuries. >> reporter: that's not evidence. >> it's coming out there. the witness that was in the paddy wagon that said he did not injure his self. >> reporter: that's not evidence. you're just hearing what you're going on right? >> from the news yeah. from the guy that was in the wagon. from a witness. an actual witness. that's evidence to me. >> reporter: he changed his story. >> the witness in the paddy wagon. >> reporter: he changed his

story. a couple of times. >> yeah? >> reporter: yeah. >> i didn't see that myself. >> reporter: first he said he injured himself, and then he said he didn't hit himself that hard. >> i would have to review that then. either way, i think -- the information i've seen i've seen him speak. i think he's telling the truth overall. maybe he got some details wrong. >> reporter: i'll let you go. do you want a conflict tonight? >> peace and love man. they're bringing the conflict. i'm just standing here. i'm apple pie. >> reporter: apple pie. everybody's out here. the people you see are still willfully violating the curfew at this point. the police have kind of indicated they're going to be flexible with it. you see they have. we're about 20 minutes since the curfew went into effect. 22 minutes since the curfew went into effect. now we see the line of police moving forward here sean. >> mike tobin on the ground --

>> reporter: start moving -- you got it. >> mike thank you, sir. we'll get back to leland and geraldo and mike in a minute. people have been defiant of the curfew put in place. joining us now for more on today's breaking developments an officer from the baltimore police department. he has exclusive information on the arrest for his own protection. we have disguised both his voice and put him in shadow. sir, thank you so much for being here. >> good to be here sean. >> let's talk about the -- what you just heard. a jubilant crowd, celebration, they expect now -- the crowd seemingly expecting guilty verdicts for all six of the officers. what's your reaction to that? >> my heart goes out to the officers that have to be standing out there. after a huge slap in the face. and to have to stand out on those corners and hear that rhetoric.

it's disgusting. to hear it over the ear phone, it makes my blood boil. i feel sorry for those guys. >> what is the reaction of these specific officers and of everyone in the department sir? >> the reaction of the officers today was, i've never seen so many people literally stunned at a lack of justice that was done today. you walk through the hall and you would see people crying sitting by themselves shaking their heads, hugging each other. it was unbelievable to see at that moment the devastation that was done from that press conference this morning. >> the prosecutor claims this was an illegal arrest. do you know the reason why the cops went after freddie gray to begin with at 8:30 9:00 that morning? >> it was a sunny morning. the shift commander and two other officers were going to do a, you know crime suppression

drug patrol in that area. the area where they are working on north avenue which was pennsylvania and mount, is probably the biggest drug area in this state by far. on a sunday morning, they observed you know mr. freddie gray in hand-to-hand transaction on the intersection. two people immediately ran from the police. one ran one way, the other ran the other. two officers called mr. gray and the llt backed around and got the other suspect. >> so freddie gray is a known drug dealer a heroin dealer. and this is a known drug selling area is that correct? >> it's probably the biggest drug market on the east coast possibly. if you would take a pin map and put a pin in for every shooting or homicide that was in that four-block area it would be nothing but pin marks. it's a violent area. it's a drug trafficking area. there's guns and murders and shootings on a weekly basis up

there. >> did they see him selling drugs, or just suspect he might have been selling drugs? >> he was observed in a hand-to-hand transaction, small item in exchange for currency. at which time they approached mr. gray and the other individual and at which time they both fled. a foot pursuit was called out. mr. gray was stopped. the other suspect was stopped in the block of fulton i believe. >> so the reason they chased him is they thought they saw drugs. was that put in their report? >> not that i saw. but in cases like this when drugs aren't necessarily located, there's times when you would omit that possibly where if you found mr. gray in possession with a knife, you would just rely upon that for your statement of probable cause. there was no recovery of drugs. the officers thought they were safe in just arresting mr. gray

for the knife. >> do we know if there was a stun gun used in the arrest? >> there's no stun gun used in the arrest. >> have we gotten back a toxicology report? >> the preliminary toxicology report was done at the university of maryland shock trauma. mr. gray's urine was tested and found positive for heroin and marijuana. >> whoa whoa whoa. this is not made public before. you're saying that the toxicology report a preliminary report has come back and his urine tested positive for heroin and marijuana? >> correct. >> now, i know that he has an arrest record for being a drug dealer or known heroin dealer. was he known to be a user of the drug? >> if you were to go on averages when people flee in baltimore during a drug transaction, this edo two things. the first thing they do is possibly try to throw it in

their flight. the second choice would be to ingest it. and nine times out of ten, they'll stick the drugs right in their mouth, chomp them up take a bottle of water and swallow them and they're never recovered. >> if he was not a normal heroin user and he did ingest it couldn't there be a possible very negative reaction to a first-time heroin use? >> there's cases where people have swallowed entire packs down their throat and swallowed them. we've had cases in the past where people have overdosed and died in that circumstance. if mr. gray swallowed, three, four five ten, there would obviously be an adverse effect on his respiration, heart rate thinking and his actions. >> did the officers because you've spoken to them did the officers know or suspect that he was high on these drugs at the time? i would like to know why this

hasn't been made public before. did the officers you spoke to did they suspect he was high on heroin or pot or both? >> i guess you could say by his erratic actions being put in the van, where, you know experts would say that he was able to get in that van on his own. his actions would be those of someone under the influence of something. but like i said in that area of west baltimore, it's a daily occurrence where you come in contact with numerous people in that state. >> yeah. because if he was not a regular heroin user is it possible -- you've seen people i assume, in the course of your work and he used heroin and it could be for the first time would that maybe explain the initial report by the other prisoner that he was banging his head and trying to injure himself, now that he's recanted that? >> it would be a good explanation. if he's not a heroin user his

tolerance would be extremely low. if he swallowed several gel caps his reaction would be lethargic, depressed breathing, depressed heart rate. he wouldn't be right -- in the right frame of mind to say the least. >> what about the prosecutor marilyn moesby. she spoke directly to the demonstrators. she made a number of comments while she made her statement, including to the people of baltimore, i heard your call for justice. later on she said that a couple of times, our time is now. did you find that statement political? >> definitely. if you were even just -- it's only justice when it's convenient to her. if you were just even looking superficially at the conflict of interest in her case right now, you would shake your head and say, how is it that dwight pettitte her mentor and billy murphy on her transition team

the largest donor, is representing the gray family. you could say why does her husband nick moseby where all the violence is taking place. >> her husband is a councilman. also she received financial support, and transition support from the gray family attorney. so you think there's a huge conflict of interest. is this talked a lot about in the circles of police officers that you deal with every day? >> yes. you can see nick moseby on tv arm in arm with the protesters and his wife is lecturing on justice? you've got to be kidding me. >> what about the claims that he was seeking prompt medical attention, and there was controversy over a stop that was not initially reported. what can you tell us about that? >> he was initially obviously -- you've seen the videotape -- asking for medical assistance. and i can't speak for the officers in every aspect but i

can tell you through experience that when you arrest somebody in baltimore, one of the biggest cards they like to play so they avoid going to our central booking intake facility is say, i'm hurt. take me to the hospital. because a lot of things an aggressive officer who wants to make an arrest is be on a service all day on a sunday to try to appease someone who's not hurt. i can understand you know where they're coming from with that. >> i talked to other sources who told me that freddie was well-known to most officers. and he often, quote, carried on when he was arrested. did you know this individual? >> no i didn't personally. but i do know of dante allen. the cohort in the back of the van. >> you do know him? the one that changed his story? >> correct. the day after we give the prosecutor in this case the case for the homicide folder

for the death of freddie gray the police integrity, the state attorney the chief deputy to marilyn moseby bledsoe, who is jane miller is able to contact an anonymous witness, mr. allen, out of the blue. and it's highly unlikely this is just mere coincidence. >> i want to go through this. the deputy state attorney janet bledsoe is in a relationship with the reporter that broke the story about the other prisoner changing his story? >> correct. it's a well-known fact that miss bledsoe and miss miller are very close friends. >> so i guess you suspect then that pressure was brought to bear on this individual? >> right. you know what the best story that you're going to get from somebody is right after the incident. as time goes on and mr. allen had no idea that mr. gray died or was involved in this

worldwide crisis right now. obviously, a lot of witnesses in baltimore who do come forward initially do recant over time. the pressures of the neighborhood. the pressure that will be put on mr. allen in this circumstance when the whole world is watching what he's saying yet to live in that neighborhood. he was doomed to failure from the start. once he was outed by miss miller it was a foregone conclusion that mr. allen was going to change his testimony to avoid living in that neighborhood under those circumstances. >> boy. we are obviously protecting your identity. do you feel you're at risk if your identitcome known to the prosecutor? >> definitely. i mean i don't have the same first amendment rights as the protesters or the thugs. i've become and speak up to my brothers and sisters standing out there and being unfairly prosecuted. you know i'm defending my

brothers against the president, against the mayor, i'm defending them against the state's attorney. i'm one man trying to do -- speak for every man and woman on the baltimore police department who was just punched in the face today. i've buried detectives i've buried officers. what she said this morning opened up all those caskets and spit on all of them. it was a disgrace to anybody who laid down their life for this city to be subjected to what she said this morning. >> you know as we still go over this case one question remains, and that is how did this severing of the spinal cord from the neck happen? how did the injury occur? the prosecutor suggests it happened in the van. what are the cops there saying happened? >> there's no other information that i would be privy to that it didn't happen in the van. at no time would anybody ever

say that anybody took liberties on mr. gray in that van. the injuries that mr. gray sustained were due to his own hand or his own actions. there was no one responsible for his injuries except for mr. gray. if the worst thing our officers did is fail to seat belt a combative prisoner then so be it. but to make that jump from unseat belted prisoner to second-degree murder is absurd. >> now, you have obviously been involved in -- how many years have you been -- i don't want to ask you that that might give away your identity. you know the statutes for second-degree murder. you know the statutes as it relates to manslaughter. you know what is noted for these, for example, second-degree murder. you need to show a depraved heart. the elements for involuntary manslaughter. you have to show that somebody acted in a grossly negligent manner. the only thing i heard from the

prosecutor today is that the police did not put the seat belt on and may have not given medical attention in a timely fashion. i didn't hear any other evidence. do you know what she's basing these very significant charges on then? >> i'm very familiar with the standard that we have to meet. you know to charge somebody with homicide. if you were to go to the homicide unit and look in the file cabinet, or on the detectives' desks, there are 80 cases that could be closed today if the prosecutor or miss moseby would choose to charge them. she wants justice when it's convenient for her. she could care less about the justice on the dozens and dozens of mothers that she refuses to charge in cases that are exponentially stronger than this case. >> you believe that she basically did this today to appease a crowd of people that were loud? >> definitely. >> yeah. >> for political reasons. and to avoid, you know further riots, and looting.

she sacrificed six officers who were doing their job that sunday morning to appease a mob. and political friends. and political donors. and her husband. >> when did the police realize freddie was in physical trouble? because there were four separate stops. when did they realize he was in trouble? >> when they started to transport mr. freddie to -- there was an initial call that they needed to assist him with an uncooperative prisoner in the back of the van. >> so in other words, one of the stops, at least one or two of the stops was because he was being irate in the back of the van, which corroborated the first story of the other prisoner right? >> correct. the wagon man requested a unit to help him, to try to you know see what was going on in the back of the van. >> did the mayor of your city

tell you officers on monday to stand down? >> from what i heard from everybody, and what i heard on the radio, under no circumstances were we not to engage anybody doing anything. it was people over property. let them do what they want. give them as much property as they want. just don't engage. one of the reporters the other day, they said if they start fighting we can't help you of the that was direct from a commander. >> are police talking among themselves that maybe they're not in a position to do their jobs that they're going to be prosecuted? did that come up? >> you know that's something about police. regardless of the circumstances, regardless of how much it breaks your heart, regardless of how the community that you protect and serve on a daily basis, where you've been injured, where you've had friends killed or you've done -- you've been away from your family but you continue to dedicate yourself to

that. these officers will do their job. they will -- during the speech by miss mosby, nobody would even think about talking about a double homicide that occurred on the other side of town. you know officers will suit up go to that homicide. you'll go down the steps and you'll see officers putting on their riot gear to stand out there at pennsylvania north amongst that crowd, being called murderers and spit upon for the next ten hours. but they'll go and do it because that's their job. they sacrifice themselves every day above and beyond every day. >> let me go back to the toxicology report. you said the preliminary report showed that freddie gray and this is new tonight, was on heroin and marijuana. when will that be made public? >> i guess the final report would come from the medical examiner's office which at some

point would be made public. >> is there any other facts in this case that you want the public to know before other people maybe rush to judgment? anything that would help them maybe understand a little bit more what happened here? >> i can just say that the death of mr. gray was completely unfortunate. but at no point did any officers intentionally set out that morning to -- while they're doing their jobs at any point to hurt mr. gray. the circumstances of mr. gray's death are the result of mr. gray. and that's it. it's not from the wagon man. it's not from the shift lieutenant out there doing drug work. or the two officers who were chasing people through the most drug infested neighborhood in the city. >> if you were -- >> it's -- go ahead. >> if you were to be identified by your department, what would happen? >> i mean i would face a

possible termination. >> you would be fired you think? >> i believe so. >> but you feel so compelled to speak out, because you feel this is such an injustice? >> i came into that interview thinking there's got to be justice. but after that the lack of justice that was done to this department today, someone had to speak out. when i turn on the news and i see our mayor, who on monday night refused to even acknowledge that there were 20 officers hurt, and in hospitals. >> now 100 people. i want to thank you, sir, for sharing your story with us. and breaking news here tonight. and you won't be identified by me. good luck to them trying to figure that out. i appreciate you sharing it. i think the public wants to know more what has actually happened. and the other side of the story. there seems to be a lot more that will be coming out in the days and weeks ahead.

thank you for joining us tonight. >> god bless you, sean. and god bless the baltimore police department. >> thank you, sir. joining us on the ground is geraldo rivera. geraldo, what's going on there? >> reporter: sean my personal security guy fell and may have broken his ankle. you know they are -- they have weapons on them. and the officers in their caution, and i understand it completely didn't know who they were. and are checking them. and we are cooperating. >> did he trip? what happened? >> reporter: well in that jostle that you saw, when everything was so intense, sean when the line advanced and the demonstrators were not heeding the curfew there was a lot of kinetic energy a lot going on. then one of our security guards

fell. we think he may have broken his ankle. the other is being detained just for questioning. as they sort out his true identity. and i've explained to the lieutenant these fellows from frederick, maryland that he is our guy. so i think that we'll be able to resolve this. but there were quite a few arrests as you saw. i don't know the exact tally yet. many more than i saw last night. >> are people still out on the street? >> reporter: they're springing our guy. thank you very much. what a man. i appreciate it. thank you. you guys stay safe. we're in your corner. okay. all right. you know sean this one legal point i want to make here in your conversation with that source and the explosive developments. it's not a crime to be stoned. you can be -- have whatever drugs in your system whatever cocktail you want to kill

yourself with. that is kind of your business. unless you're dealing, or possessing. >> but he was very clear -- geraldo, there's a legal aspect to this that contradicts what the prosecutor says. the prosecutor said this was an illegal arrest. if the cops in their reports, and we haven't seen them all, made the case that they saw a drug deal that would be justifiable -- >> reporter: our security guy is being loaded in the ambulance now. they're going to take him to the hospital. i don't want -- we don't know what his family knows and what they don't know. he's in good condition? all right. all right. the illegal arrest side of it i swear, sean this is a federal case. i feel that the politically charged atmosphere around here there's no way there's going to are fairness in this process. >> no way. >> reporter: you want to be fair

to the victim of course but you have to be fair to the accused. >> but geraldo -- >> reporter: baltimore is different from missouri. >> if ever there could be a case made to have a change of venue, this is it. for a couple of reasons. you didn't think -- >> reporter: you got it. you got it. >> yeah. so i've got to believe that's going to be a big part. are all the people off the street for the most part or are there still arrests going on? >> reporter: they've all been arrested of the they are detaining everyone. >> with this new revelation by this police officer tonight -- >> reporter: all right. we're -- all right. okay. we're cool. we're with you. all right. that's our guy. that's our guy. >> geraldo, let me ask you this. with this revelation -- >> reporter: this has been quite -- travels with geraldo, sean. >> geraldo, on a personal note i think you're 70 years old now. and you're running around like a 25-year-old brand-new reporter. you crack me up.

and you're doing a great job. >> reporter: we're trying to do our job. >> let me ask you this. as the police officer suggests this is a well-known drug dealer dealer many many arrests, long rap sheet. maybe as he was running, if he did ingest the drugs, does it raise the possibility that he could have had a horrible reaction which resulted in the violence that the other criminal first described, and then changed his mind on and that caused the driver of the van to stop? you don't think that comes into play at all? >> reporter: i think that it is evidence to establish the state of the suspect. but it is not a crime. you know it is evidence maybe of a a state of mind and his physical condition. but it is not a crime. he could be on angel dust he

could have been on horse manure -- >> but if he was dealing -- but if they saw him do a hand-to-hand deal. >> reporter: they did not charge that. >> they didn't. that was actually explained earlier. >> reporter: i've got to go bail my guy out. they want to talk to me personally. >> all right. geraldo, thank you very much. you've been great for us all week. >> reporter: thank you. thank you. >> i tell you, he's in the middle of everything hir oldgeraldo, he really is. a friend of freddie gray. welcome back to the program. thanks for being here. >> hi hannity. >> i hope you heard the interview with the police officer. >> mm-hmm. >> and we've talked about this last night. you had yourself bailed out freddie three times? >> three times, yes. >> were they all narcotics charges? >> one was a fourth-degree

burglary. >> but he has a long rap sheet on selling narcotics, right? >> he hasn't been convicted but once. >> do you know if he was a user of narcotics? >> no, he a clean-cut young man. he was always clean. >> the only reason i'm asking i can't confirm this but the officer told us tonight, and we'll be waiting in the days and weeks ahead to see if this is corroborated he said the preliminary toxicology report shows that he did have heroin and marijuana in his system. would that surprise you to hear that? >> it would surprise me. but the officer can't confirm it either. that's just information right now, sean. >> no he's saying that the preliminary report came back. look i didn't have access to it. i'm just telling you what a police officer in the department is saying to us tonight. and i can only report what they say. >> i got you. >> what else can you tell us? is it a common occurrence that if somebody's dealing, and the cops come to get them that they would ingest the drug?

is that common? >> i've seen it before. but let me tell you something about this. one for you hannity. i posted bail for caesar romero goodson. >> caesar who? >> romero goodson. >> yeah? for the -- oh you posted the bail for the driver? >> i sure did. >> his bail was $300,000 right? >> $350,000. >> did you talk to him today? >> no i haven't. i talked to his family. >> so you posted bail. he's out of jail now. >> yes, he is. >> did you post bail for -- >> i'm also his bail bondsman too. >> you are the most popular guy in town. if i get in trouble, i'm in baltimore, i'm going to have to call you. >> you'll call somebody. >> what other insight can you give us? here's the problem. we have a prosecutor that has really reached to the highest level of charges. and yet the only thing that she was able to lay out in terms of

evidence today -- and this is very important -- was that freddie was not buckled in. she mentioned that five times today. and that perhaps that it's likely that the police did not respond immediately to the request for medical attention. if you look at this from an evidence standpoint and a charge standpoint that does not rise to second-degree murder with a depraved heart. that does not even rise to involuntary manslaughter. >> you don't know what evidence they got. we don't know if the officers -- wait a minute she can't lay it out. you know that, sean. wait a minute. you know she cannot lay it out. you know that. >> but when i listened to her today, this was my take on it tell me if you heard the same thing. when she talks to the people of baltimore, ieard your calls, no justice, no peace, and she said that twice, and then she refers to "our time is now," while talking to the young people that were involved in the rallies, it sounds like she's

got, you know, an agenda here. >> let me tell you agenda. if she has an agenda we will find out when they go to court. >> yeah we will. >> that's when we'll find out. we won't find out before. we'll just be guessing. we'll find out when they go to court. and until then -- >> sheriff david clark, a friend of mine from milwaukee, was on the channel earlier today and said i think this is very political from the tone of her voice. and that he went on to say maybe she was trying to appease an angry crowd. i got the same impression. did you not get any of that? even geraldo thought there was a part of that that was political. >> you've got to know this woman. this woman came into office she said i'm going to make the big decisions, and i'm going to make something that's not popular. and she came in office and she made a big decision and it blew up in her face. >> you don't think the fact that she has to the gray family attorney and na she took money

from the gray family attorney and that he was on her transition team you don't think that's a conflict of interest? >> i don't. because he's not going to be defending them in court. that's going to be a civil matter. >> let me ask you -- >> they're going to criminal court. >> well imagine if you know reverse this whole thing for a second here. >> wait a minute sean. >> what if al sharpton would have said if the attorney had donated cash, who ultimate sided with officer wilson are you saying that people wouldn't say there's a conflict of interest? come on. >> they might have. but that's al sharpton. i'm talking about marilyn mosby. >> you're in the bail bondsman business. >> i don't have any relationship with her. the first time i heard of that woman was three years ago. >> you don't really know her. >> i don't. >> i appreciate your time. quentin, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> here's reaction to the

developments. mark fuhrman, the attorney for michael brown's family darrell park's with us. mark what's your reaction to the police interview we just had? >> well it was pretty interesting, pretty passionate. i think this arrest the six officers with what we heard in the statement today which i agree was probably 75% political, 25% legal, i think it severed the relationship between the working cops and management city government and the d.a.'s office. and i think they've done much more damage than they have good. >> all right. i'll tell you what darrell, i promise we're going to get back to you. more on the ground from baltimore straight ahead. there's only two of us... how much dirt can we manufacture? very little. more than you think.

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this is a fox news alert. i'm patricia stark. kensington palace has announced that the duchess of cambridge has gone into labor. kate has been admitted to the private wing of st. mary's hospital the same hospital where she gave birth to her first son prince george. the duchess herself told a volunteer at a children's center in march that she was due mid to late april. we don't know if she's expecting a boy or girl. but the next baby will become fourth in line for the throne. once the baby is born the duchess and prince william will spend a couple of nights at kensington palace before heading

to their private residence. the world waits to meet the latest addition to the royal family. stay with fox news channel for more updates out of london. >> this is a fox news alert. protests right now across baltimore and we are here in baltimore where just hours ago the prosecutors dropping that big news, six baltimore police officers charged in the death of freddie gray. one of them even charged with second degree murder. now, all six officers suspended without pay. "on the record" has live team coverage. across baltimore and monitoring the protest was right here and the protests across america. plus we sat down with the woman being called mom of the year. >> think your son is going to do this again. >> oh, i don't think he is going to do this one again. >> never? >> i don't think is he going to do this one again. is he the perfect child? no, he is not. he has his flaws but as a mother that's what i'm