all right now, you've got some real pounding going on here. the cops are swarming over the demonstrators that have defied the curfew. one is being arrested right here, is being handcuffed behind his back. the captains are coming, are coming in. the officers, look over there, they're really moving them now. what a difference a day makes. welcome back to baltimore, everybody. it is curfew time, 10:00 here in maryland's largest city, a city wracked by violence earlier this week. hi, i'm geraldo rivera reporting on a day when scheduled protests

have largely been peaceful, following friday's arrest of the six cops on the charges stemming from the outrageous death of 25-year-old freddie gray while in police custody. those arrests electrified and calmed the seething town on the brink of chaos. and tonight the latest news is largely good, although there are scattered reports from cops that now they are being challenged by wise guys who the cops say no longer fear that they will be arrested, now that everyone from the u.s. attorney general to local and state agencies are looking over the shoulders of the men and women in the thin blue line. i hear sirens in the back ground. the situation looked, at least in the park, much like it did last night or rather it looks just the opposite of it did last night when stragglers were being rounded up in the video we started the show with, either to

be disbursed or arrested for violating the curfew. but there are major issues here in baltimore, as you know, ranging from skepticism that the arrested cops will ever be convicted to the big question of where baltimore goes or where all the inner cities in the country go from here. let's begin tonight at the initial ground zero where the troubles began monday night. the now infamous intersection in west baltimore where my friend and colleague mike tobin has the latest. so what's it look like, mike? >> reporter: well, it's a little like clockwork. the police helicopter just went overhead with the announcement that you've got to clear the street. and the guy over there carrying on a little bit you've got the watch the language on his shirt, but he is one of the guys insisting that he is not going

to obey the police. don't let the size of the group fool you. if you look closely, there are a lot of cameras. standard press and video bloggers in the bunch. we've got a few people with face masks on. and they're turning their backs to the camera. but the face masks an indicator that they're here to maybe look for a little bit of trouble. but the crowd is small. most of the people have left. congressman cummings took a big people on a march and got their numbers thinned out. so you have a lot of cameras hanging around and a handful of people insistent that they're going to defy the curfew. and what i don't see right now is the police. i haven't seen much of a police presence at north and pennsylvania all day long, and i don't see any police or national guard right now in the immediate vicinity, but they're in staging areas pretty close by. geraldo? >> stunning, mike, that the no

cops, no police presence. that seems like good news. >> reporter: yeah, and i think it's very intentional, because if you don't have police presence then you can't have friction with the police, but now the conflict is that you are at the 10:00 deadline and you have people who say they're not going to go in. so we'll have to see how it goes from this time forward. there's someone over my shoulder saying it's not a show, but he's going before the camera making it a show. quite the conundrum. >> if it turns to anything let us know. the protests have largely become, they've relabeled them the victory march. and our terrific young fox news correspondent peter doocy has been pollifollowing the events e day. got any curfew breaks? >> reporter: we do have. they won't talk to us, but

they're holding up signs that say black lives matter, white people started racism. and let me point out that the crowd is almost entirely white. that's a middle finger, very nice. your parents might be watching. that's good. all these people -- >> geraldo too! >> reporter: all right. thank you for that. all these people have turned their backs to officers who tried to come out and explain that if they continue to break curfew. now they're about five minutes past, then they're going to spend the night in jail. they're trying to make a statement of with these signs and not talking except to be inappropriate on camera. and that conduct is most likely going to land them in jail as some police officers have showed up. am i in the way? >> no, you're not in the way. >> they look like occupy wall street types. >> who can agree with me on that? >> some, listen, it's five

minutes after ten. this is your second warning. i understand what you're doing and respect it, but it's five minutes after ten. this is your second warning. >> how many warnings? >> reporter: all right, geraldo, they've been warned twice. the crowd, despite being possibly minutes away from being in a police wagon on the way to jail on a saturday night, no talking, but there has been some laughing. people are, people in the back ground now starting to children. they said they were respected and that -- we're now getting, we are getting an announcement. [ loudspeaker ] >> we are in violation of the baltimore city curfew. and there, geraldo across the veet a street are several dozen officers, and they've got a lot of plastic handcuffs, and they are ready.

>> all right, peter. when the cops meet, if the occupy wall street types don't go home or don't get off the street, let us know, and we'll flash right back to you instantly. >> reporter: hey, geraldo, it looks like after that warning half the crowd or more did leave. and now somebody's asking to pe pick up their sign. there are some people, but just about everybody it looks like, listened to the baltimore police department when they said go home. now they are picking up after themselves and leaving, at least most of the crowd. >> peter, thank you very much. appreciate it. our first guest is a familiar face. former head of the new black panther party, but he's gone much more mainstream in recent years. now he's the president of the black lawyers for justice, which today sponsored one of the many

marches that crisscrossed the city scarred by monday's violence. what did you think about yesterday's arrest? did that put an end to the situation? >> it did not put an end to it, but it gives it a very positive beginning. >> all right, go, go, go, go, to tobin, go to mike tobin. what's happening, mike? >> reporter: i'll tell you what happened. it's going to be hard to get a picture of this guy. there was one guy, we showed him in the l last live shot who was- well, look at that. there's a cop pointing the pepper spray at the camera. there was one guy who was really agitating and looking like he was spoiling for it. and he stood out in front dearig the police, and they went out and bound him up. and they've got him in some kind of restraints. once they bound him out, the police came out with the pepper

spray. they fired the pepper spray, and with that -- whoa man, we almost got a reporter getting hit by a car. and with that, we had a couple bottles come out over the crowd in the general direction of the police. so there he is, bound up on the ground, his wrists are restrained. he is leaning on one side, and that is the guy you saw before, insistent that he was not going to go -- >> you guys are crazy! why are you not in the media area? >> reporter: it's pretty interesting. you get the one officer pointing the pepper spray at the press. yeah. i'm getting back in. >> peter doocy, candidadid the half of your crowd leave? or are they insisting that they want to be arrested to? >> reporter: there are still people here, yeah, geraldo. excuse me, all right, he, they want me to step away from the

shot, geraldo to report. but really, the point that they're trying to make is that they think they're being treated differently since the officers have now given them polite warning, they don't believe that some african-americans are given warnings before they are taken right in. that was point that one of the organizers here this afternoon made. and really, after they made that point, a good chunk of the crowd left. but some of them are still sticking around. they seem stubbornly planted underneath a cherry blossom tree here in this park. and it does look like these are ones who want to be arrested the most, want to see what central booking looks like the most. so we'll see. >> peter, can you ask them where they're from? >> reporter: hey, ryan, hey, geraldo? across the street now, from this, from this event we have a full line of riot police in full

gear. you can see them in formation right in front of the 7-eleven. this is it. you saw the other side of the veet. you saw the demonstration. now you can see, this is quite a show of force coming, several dozen officers. they are ready for anything, really. they've got the batons out, the shields and the helmets. an announcement is going on as well. the baltimore police department final warning. i look over here. there are still some people who are not dispersed. the number of police here outnumbers the protesters here by several dozen. they're told that they're out between 10:00 and 5:00. one of the officers over there who's trying to reason with these people is still telling them they have a chance to leave, it looks like, but now we

see what happens when you violate the curfew on the other side of town, geraldo. >> yeah, right, where are they from, these young people, peter? did you talk to any of them? they out-of-towners or baltimore folks? >> reporter: it sounded like they live this this neighborhood. we're not that far away from johns hopkins. and they're young kids. i asked if any of them were in school, what they were up to. and one of the kids just said he lives in the neighborhood and he wanted to come down to make a statement. he is one of the ones that has left, since he got the two warnings. now there's a final warning. and lots of photographers have showed up. by far, though, the most well represented group here are the police. and it looks like they are getting ready. they're getting final orders. they might be coming across the street here. there are, it looks like for most of -- the street now, this street is completely blocked to

traffic. nobody's going to get through. down at the other end of the street, there is a police vehicle with its sirens on so nobody can get in here. they're asking the media to move onto the 7-eleven parking lot. we will listen. we don't want to be in any problems. these guys have a difficult job to do especially this week. >> step back. >> reporter: yes, sir, yes, sir. >> step back away from the wall. >> reporter: yes, sir. >> move their line. can you tell me what the mood was as you reported on the street? was there optimism or pessimism as the day progressed and the news sunk in that the six cops had been bested? >> reporter: it lot of curiosity, but this share of force has scared away everybody in the crowd. they had their cardboard signs. they were given two warnings.

the two warnings didn't scare them. then this full line of police in all their gear showed up. and everybody has evident will. there's nobody back in the park. i don't want to go over there. there's some amnesty international observers who brought gas masks just in case. and it looks like one protest sign. they got on national television. they do not go to jail. >> so peter, what did your dad say about all those digital salutes you've been getting? >> reporter: i'm sure that he's watching, so he could go, he could review them and send me a note. we could share them with some of our new friends. >> okay. i'll talk to him on fox & friends on monday. mike tobin, what's happening? i see somebody getting busted there, loaded into the paddy wagon? what's going on? >> reporter: yeah, we showed this woman earlier in the day with a sign that said end the

racist occur fewer. a so she was here with the intention of defying the curfew. and now you siee the consequenc. but you've also seen are people who get arrested are often time released with no charges or nothing that follows. so didn't seem like a major incident with her. we did have a -- go ahead. >> no, i just think that ultimately -- me first. the decision to release over 100 of the rioters from monday night, i think that's exactly the wrong message. i understand when people are busted that they need to be speedily charged with a specific offense, but you can petition a judge to extend the period. and by them not arresting or not following through on the arrests of those who were really, you know, violent in many cases and

did a lot of that looting on monday, i think it sends a bad message. now these kids, these are college-age kids. they're going to spend the night in jail and they can tell all their friends about it. i can remember i did something similar in washington, d.c. in 1969. you know, then it was the war in vietnam we were protesting. now it's police brutality. but as the cameras, i tell you, mike, you can have one shot, when you have mike shot, shoot whatever's happening in his corner, have peter shoot whatever is happening there so he won't miss anything if the police do move and make more arrests as we hear some sirens here, but this place is absolutely, very, very quiet. let me say this in a broader context, ladies and gentlemen. the arrest, as i said at the top of this program, electrified this town. they really calmed what was a brewing situation that was getting very, very ugly and intense. i thought last night, if it

weren't for the arrest of the cops would have been extremely disruptive here in baltimore, and leading into this weekend, the parades, the marches today would have been of much different character than they were by those arrests. but the fact that those cops were arrested is by no means a certainty that they will be convicted. for example, you need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt who killed freddie gray junior the 25-year-old man who tragically died in police custody. it's not that they have charge -- yes, he died in police custody, but who killed him? which cop was it? did he die when he was initially arrested, when a cop put a knee on his neck? did he die when he was dragged to the paddy wagon? did he die, effectively, did he get the fatal injury inside the paddy wagon as that vehicle was

given a so-called rough ride as it went four different stops, a very leisurely drive to central booking, and by the time they got there the man was basically comatose, basically dead? this is no slam dunk. how do you prove that anybody murdered him? what they have done, i think, what marilyn mosby has done by arresting all six cops and charging them with this big menu of different charges is that she is trying, it seems to me, to get these cops, these various officers, to testify against each other. absent that, absent an eyewitness who says it was officer jones, not officer smith, who caused the fatal injury, how in the world do you prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone murdered him, murder two is a very serious

charge, it contains a disregard to human life, how do you prove beyond a reasonable doubt which one did it unless one of the cops testifies against the person they believe is most responsible. they have a very, very difficult row to hoe. what happens if there is an acquittal? look at rodney king. as here there was videotape. and rodney king, even more egregious. they were tried and after a change of motion venue, and there will be one here after the inflammatory statements by the local prosecutor, the rodney king cops were tried in simi valley, in the largely white area. the cops were acquitted of the charges against rodney kichblgt and what happened was the los angeles riots, 53 people dying in the riots. billions of damage done.

all of south los angeles really consumed by a conflagration. then people forget that the same cops were tried in federal court on civil rights violations. two of the cops involved were indeed convicted of those civil rights violations. i think there are real parallels between what happened to rodney king and what happened to freddie gray. what happened to rodney king in los angeles and what happened to freddie gray here in baltimore, maryland. as with rodney king, there are extenuating circumstances, and murky facts that make an acquittal of the officers involved, i think, at least a 50/50 proposition, an. being generous to the state's case. i think the case, her announcement was as much political as it was legal. now i appreciated that she announced the arrests, why? because it led to peace here in baltimore, but i also, as that's

just as a citizen. but as a lawyer i can tell you these charges really are made, not fancifully, because i know how sincerely they intend to prosecute these officers, but because of the reasons that i've laid out for you, it is likely the cops in the state case will be acquitted. why not do the federal, civil rights action right here in baltimore, maryland first? in other words, give the department of justice the first crack at the offending officers. i don't think anybody watching this program today believes that freddie gray was rightfully arrested. you know, he had no weapon on him. the fact that he was stoned is not a crime. the fact that he had been arrested 24 or 25 times before, that's not a crime either. he was illegally arrested.

i think that that can be pretty firmly established. so make that the civil rights case. make that the way you go after the officers that allegedly, wrongfully arrested this man and in whose custody certainly, and there is no debate, freddie gray died. if there is a federal prosecution on several rights charges first, then i think the community can rest assured that officers who go beyond the scope of their official duties are held accountable, as well they should be held accountable. but if there is the state case first, i really believe that there will be hell to pay when those cops are acquitted. baltimore now is hanging on the hope and the assumption that the arrested officers, that they

have, that they have received justice. in this long litany of cases. but it is extremely difficult, and i think rightfully so, to convict a cop of brutality. they have a very tough job. they deal with the worst players in society. they deal with people who have long arrest records, who are violent, acting out, committing crimes against others. you have to put yourselves in the shoes of the person who's doing the arrest, the cop who's doing the arrest. and you have to say, and the juries do particularly, if as i believe will happen here as did happen in rodney king, there is a change of motion venue granted and the case is taken out of baltimore cities where three quarters of the people are black and put it to one of the white maryland suburbs, do the federal civil rights case first. mike tobin, what have you got?

>> reporter: well, i got a little update as far as what's happening at the corner of north and you can see the transport wagon waiting for more prisoners. they picked up a couple more people, one of them claiming he was a journalist, and i can give you an update on the first guy you saw get bound up. i was pepper sprayed. he took a good shot right to the face of the in addition to the police officers attending him, you have about three paramedics attending to him, washing out the eyes and the whole nine yards. they're taking extra care to make sure that this guy is not injured despite the fact that he's wearing a shirt that says f -- the police. >> let me interrupt you. sorry, sorry. come, keep your eye on that. just, this is the front page of the baltimore sun. that's reverend pamela coleman who is celebrating the arrest of the officers.

and here she is showing up live at our location. thank you very much for coming here. >> thank you. >> i know you must be relieved that the officers have been arrested. tell us how you file. >> i'm very relieved, because i feel as though not just myself but baltimore city and our youth, they're relieved that they're in the starts of what they believe to be justice taking place in the law. >> so what happens if the cops are acquitted? >> you know, i really can't say. i can tell, i can assure you i'm certainly believing in god that justice will be served and they won't be able to get away with it. >> what about the fact that three of the six cops are black? >> in the eyesight of god there is no color. in the eyesight of justice there should be no color. whether they're black or white

or green. they need to answer for it. >> what do you think of the action of toya graham, who whacked her son in the head and said you get that mask off your face and you get home? >> well, i'm a little old-fashioned. i'm not old, but i practice a lot of old-fashioned principles. i'm kind of on one side and then on the other. i feel like sometimes, you know, old school say don't make me go upside your head. and i don't believe in abuse, but a mother believing a son is at risk like that, you don't react normally. you just react. and i think that's what she might have did. i don't want to say she's an abusive mother. she might have just reacted. her child was in a position that anything could have happened to him after what happened to freddie. >> you know, step up a little bit. i interviewed a bunch of bloods

and crips, street gang members in charge of the street traffic in the north neighborhood there in west baltimore. how can any young person get a straight and narrow path when there's so much temptation and so many bad role models and so few dads at home? >> being that my ministry focuses on women and teen girls, i feel that there are some strong single mothers in the city of baltimore, and i think that you can't blame the fact that some children, young people, rather, make bad decisions. you can't say because their home was not right. because there's sometimes they just make bad decisions. >> but how are they not going to make bad decisions when there are no positive male role models? >> it's quite a few positive role models. >> i don't mean none, you know what i mean. that neighborhood has three out of every four families, no dad

in the house. >> i believe that, my father passed when i was 7, and my mom did a great job. >> she did. i agree. >> and we had social security. my mom stressed going, making sure you get your education. my mom was a nurse. she got hers, and because she wasn't able to work, we still grew up being something, but it didn't turn us into nobodies or criminals or thugs or anything like that. >> but aren't you afraid walking around in your neighborhood with all the bad actors there? >> well -- >> i notice you have unbelievable courage. you stood in the middle of everybody with your little bull horn. you'd go home. you were the one that first got that curfew to work. >> well, let me tell you this. it is not me, and i'm saying this with all sincerely of god. i'm called to outreach. i've been doing the outreach for

13 years. when i walked up, one of the lieutenants from the police department said reverend coleman, can you help me with this? that's how i was deputyized. i dress like this because i want to come down to relate to them, just at a medium where they can receive me. so no, i'm not afraid at all. >> this community seems in many ways to be two towns. you've got the water front, not far from here, the inner harbor, which is so magnificent, the four seasons hotel, the, that marriott, all those waterfront restaurants, it's really very, very pretty. all those big buildings, and then you go three miles away and you get to penn north, and now you don't have a drugstore in your neighborhood because of what happened. will there ever be the tranquillity that exists in other big cities.

how do you heal that gap? >> i know when real estate was really blooming and i saw a lot of real estate development, and you go into an area that was a lot of torn down. it was a big development. i pleaded with developers, come to baltimore. a lot of people moved out, but come back. real estate come into the community, continue to do what they started, because if you bring a new face it becomes a new attitude, just like they say if you dress good, you feel good, you think good. >> so you think a developer's going to go into west baltimore now, after the cvs was burned down, after the senior center was destroyed? i don't mean to be depressing. >> no, you are being a realist. they came back after what happened in the '60s. >> did they really? i think some of that neighborhood is still unrecovered from the '60s. >> but, you know what? they came back. they came back.

there's a lot of new development in that community. a couple of my friends, women, single women, that have wonderful new homes right there in the community. i say i've even laughed and say you guys are wonderful. they wanted to live in baltimore, and they live there. >> and the job the mayor did, do you criticize her also for monday night basically seeming to give license to the looters and then keeping such a low profile that she stayed with friends outside the city in baltimore county? >> now i don't know about that, geraldo. i don't want to speak on something i don't know about, but i can say that i think that because a lot of people were a little angry, i think that it was better for her to be in a safe place until things cooled down. and she had other people out there. that's reason for the alliance that we had with the faith-based leaders, our elected officials and community leaders. so if we're connected and one

person can't do what they need to do, another person can step . and i hope you have framed the baltimore sun. >> my brother called me. girl, you are on the front page! to god be all the glory. >> to god be all the glory. thank you very much. >> thank you. all right, i just want to do one more sweeping check with mike tobin and peter doocy out of responsibility before we hear voices. we have an idea on how to fix this, sum up this devastation in west baltimore without a whole bunch of tax money being thrown at it. is this tobin's camera or mike? what have you got there? >> reporter: we've got another arrest. there was another guy wearing a tee shirt. we were getting a #verdict.

the whole while, he was -- [ inaudible ] >> all right, let's go, peter, have they arrested anybody at your location? >> reporter: no, geraldo, the officers convinced everybody to disperse and just now in a very long line of police cars with the sirens on, the officers and all the wagons that they brought with them left. one of the protesters came out of here and swore that if she would have been here sooner then she would not have dispersed, and she would have been the one person arrested. of course we have no way to know that. everybody left. they did not make much of a scene, and now that's it. so here we are at the corner. >> you can go watch the mer

merriwether pacquiao fight. >> all the bars are closed. so baltimore not a great place to go watch that fight or do anything outside the house tonight. >> peter doocy, thank you. in new york, joining us from new york, two black parents, really wonderful people with dramatically different takes on how to cure the problem with the inner city family and in a bigger picture, how to patch up these towns. one is cheryl blue. cheryl blue is a lady from ohio who lived formerly in new york. she called in to my wabc radio show in frustration. the other is jonathan mason who is the wabc radio general sales manager, also a member of the president, the international president offof the phi beta si

service fraternity. i know you are strongly opinionated about how responsibility has utterly failed in recent decades with the inner city family. tell me your feelings? >> it's obvious to anyone mo can see the situation. we've been throwing money and throwing money for decades at this problem. but the fact of the matter is, when you have a fractured family, when you have 73% of black children being raised by single mothers, what are you going to have except the chaos that we're seeing in baltimore right now? this is insane to me. every time you turn around, the new solution is we need more funding. we need more funding. no. you need more fathers. you need more two-family homes. you need more parents involved in the education and every other aspect of these children's lives. >> and reverend, what do you think, jonathan? what do you think? >> it would be great if that was an instantaneous solution, but

that's not the instantaneous solution. the solution is for many of the service organizations that are there right now that have been a part of the cleanup, phi beta sigma fraternity, we've been there, we've been on the ground. we've been focussed on the clean up. our local chapters have been doing an amazing job. but here's the long-term plan. those organizations are going to stay in their community. they're going to provide mentorship to those families that you talk about where there are no fathers. they're going to provide reading programs in the schools where the dropout rates are astronomical. when the cameras are gone there's still organizations there caring for these children. the issues that cheryl's talking about, there is legitimacy to her comments, but at the end of the day, it's not going to be cured overnight. we've got to have people there in the communities that take on these children as their own children and take them on and

love them and raise them and nurture them so that issues like this don't happen in the future. >> it's not these outside organizations' responsibility to raise these children. when you bring a child into the world, it is your responsibility to raise them. how dare these fathers abandon these children in these numbers, and then expect someone else to come along and clean up their mess. it's exactly what's going on right there. they burn the building down and someone else has to come along behind them and clean it up. i wonder what kind of mentorship is going to be going on, because i haven't heard anyone say how dare you burn down the housing for black senior citizens? i haven't heard anyone say you were wrong. you need to be punished. we've heard oh, they were children. they have no sense of the magnitude of what they've done or that they've done anything wrong. they're out partying in the streets as if this is the fourth

of july or something. >> cheryl, what was done was wrong. i don't think anybody will tell you that what was done was wrong. but your position that the fathers need to be at home is correct. butna's not nthat's not going tomorrow. what are we going to do tomorrow? we have men and women committed to making a difference in these communities. and we need to uplift those organizations like sigma, and help them deliver services in these communities. saying that dad needs to come home is just a statement. what is the action that we're going to take? and that's what our organizations are doing on the ground, right now. let's not be angry. let's be active. >> i have to be angry about this. i have to be angry, because, you know why? i know that this is, the real problem isn't even being addressed. the white cops or black cops killing one heroin dealer is not

the main focus that we should be looking at. murder is the number one cause of death of 12 year old boys in america. as of the cdc report. for the first time in this country, murder became the number one cause of death for a group of children in america. fraternities and sororities getting together, i'm sorry -- >> let's not be dismissive. >> our children are being murdered. we're talking about children be being murdered. >> it was church and organizations like the naacp, the urban league and these fraternities and sororities that you speak of that got us out of jim crow. and i believe if we come together with these organizations it will take us out of the situations we have now. we have communities underinvested in for decades upon decades. >> oh, my god. oh, my god. >> and we've got to acknowledge that fact. we've got to embrace that fact. let's watch this -- >> how much money can you throw

at these communities? >> let me finish my point. there have been cities across america like ferguson, like staten island, they said we've seen this all along. we've seen this happen for years. but here's what they didn't have. there were no camera phones. there was nobody on the cameras to catch what was going on. so what t the people in these communities are saying, and we're not making excuses for looting and rioting, that's wrong. but what they're saying is bring justice to our communities. we're tired of being abused. >> go ahead, cheryl. >> you want to talk about justice, what about the 14 year old black boy shot in the head on april 8? what about the six black people that were killed by black males in the last week? why are we focussing on this one person who was killed, when we close our eyes to all the rampant shootings and deaths at

the hands of black males? this is a joke to me that you want to focus on this and this alone? this is not the biggest source of problem in the black community. black-on-black crime, the murders of black children -- >> hold it. cheryl, hold it, hold it. what i'd like to do, my brother craig and i stumbled upon an architect who presented the city of baltimore with an idea for the rebuilding of the west side of this town. and many of those buildings are still derelict. 35,000, can you believe it? 35,000 buildings are daerelicde filled with junkies and skauters. these buildings can be resurrected. here is craig with the architect with the idea for healing with private money, not public money in west baltimore.

roll that. >> the outbreak of looting that scarred this community in the aftermath of freddie gray's funeral monday caused millions of dollars in damages. turned hundreds of lives upside down and set back a neighborhood that never really recovered from the 1960 rioting when baltimore burned following the assassination of martin luther king. there are 35,000 properties like this one, burned out, abandoned shells, derelict that do nothing but attract junkies and crime. so we've got a plan to bring pride back to this community. >> it's our neighborhood, but how many of us own anything here? no. white america. >> we don't earn [ bleep ] so we

burn [ bleep ]. >> reporter: despite his anger, he has a point. 35% of t black men in baltimore have no job and no prospects. instead of another failed program, they have a plan. so, dan, a lot of residents obviously are very upset about what's going on in baltimore, but there is anger in the community, anger that these kids don't have jobs. they don't have decent housing. what are your plans? >> we've proposed several times, and we're trying to polish up that proposal where the city has upwards of 35,000 houses. we'd like them to give us a block at a time, put it in trust, and we'll get people in the neighborhood that are unemployed and help train them to build their own houses. >> reporter: look at their real estate. it's so close to the inner harbor and redeveloped downtown. >> the ones marked with a red x

are designated to be taken down because of some structural danger or difficulty. and it goes throughout. these are the ones that, you know, we should get and demolish them. >> they've been allowed over years for various reasons to deteriora deteriorate. you can see through the window where you can see the sky, they are not easily restorable. but the scale of these buildings are wonderful and should be saved. >> you're saying give us this block. give us this neighborhood. they'll rebuild it. they'll own it. they'll love it. >> yeah. we don't want something for nothing. they want to put it in trust, that's fine, and we'll get it together. >> you'll teach them to build? >> we have sufficient experience ourselves and we'll get other experts that train properly and help them learn the trade. they can use that trade in their own neighborhood. >> reporter: the idea is to rebuild entire neighborhoods, to entice retail stores and

businesses to open and serve residents their pride in ownership. >> we want them to buy their own houses. they have too much time on their hands and not enough opportunity. we think we can do some good in baltimore for this. and it might be a model for other cities as well. >> reporter: in the past five decades, many of the neighborhoods hit by the riots have not recovered. the inner city is infected with drugs. the main source of income for too many young men. dan and don think their plan can help break that cycle. >> they have a career after that, and they can own the same house that they're building. it's understood, a henry ford concept where he hired people on the assembly line to build cars they would buy. >> reporter: is it a problem that they still make some money for the city. >> right now a lot of these properties aren't worth what the

taxes are on them. some are $60,000 for a small row house that has the back demolished. and it's not worth $60,000. but they're on the books and records. they're almost caught in a catch-22. those taxes that are back due are assets. those assets but for the quality and the rating of their bonds. and so without those assets, they're not going to be able to borrow money that easily, so they can't get rid of them that easily. what we need to do is create a neighborhood environment that generates taxes and replace it with some income-producing status. >> reporter: geraldo, programs that throw money have a record of failure. dan and don say they have a better way. forgive the tax liens that weigh too many down and give them a decent place to start a

productive life. >> of all the folks we've interviewed over this long week, these young voices have resonated. this is sidney anda ariel. what is it that you fear, that your brother fears, that your cousin fears, other young black folks fear? >> everyone fears the judgment. and right now a lot of people in america are looking at young black women or men, everyone in this community as problems, and i don't see them as problems. i see them as products of a broken environment. and we've been asking and asking for years, decades for help, and we haven't gotten it. so it's sad that it's taken, you know for all of this to happen for people to realize what it is that within the black community, within the whole system, the whole city. >> and sydney, in terms of the

arrests yesterday, did that comfort you? >> oh, it most definitely comforted me. i think that the action that's being, that was taken yesterday, it validates that people care how we feel. and yeah, it definitely comforted us, but i think that people should remember that just because these police officers were taken into custody, it doesn't mean that this is over, and we need to continue to be proactive in making change in our city and across america. >> what happens if the officers are not convicted though, ariel? >> i don't think it will be pretty. like i said, we have cases where there are plenty of men sitting in prison on cases that are built, you know, built strongly off of hearsay, if a man ran past right now everyone's account would be different. so to have something on camera, no one would convict them, i think that's insulting the public's intelligence a little

bit. >> it's happened before. they didn't indict the officers in the michael brown case nor in the case in staten island. >> like i said, it's an insult to the public's intelligence and part of the institutionalized racism and a part of privilege in america. a lot of us walk on this very thin line of privilege. there are a lot of people under that privilege. so you have underprivileged people and overprivileged people. and i don't think anyone should be above the law, no matter your color or status in society. wrong is wrong, so i think we made a step in the right direction. marilyn mosby, so. >> the prosecutor. >> i think ultimately, if these officers are not convicted that we should not, yes, it would be a setback, but i mean that would be all the more reason to keep moving forward and to keep projecting our opinions and our voices. we need to keep this momentum g

going. >> do you think the city will heal? >> oh, most definitely. baltimore can happen anywhere and obviously it has happened in so many places. baltimore is an example of how we have come together all across the country, and, yeah. we have so much potential as a race.umm, i condemn it, but in e same sense, i understand it. what it ended up being, the result of it, i do understand -- like, i don't condone throwing rocks at police officers. i have an uncle who is a police officer. but at the same time, i feel the frustration. i've been an inner city kid my whole life. i have cousins who have been harassed by the police. so i understand these kid's

frustration. >> i have to go. i feel both of you have great futures and i appreciate you. >> thank you for having us. >> thank you. >> okay. when we come back -- all right, this is the scene, we're monitoring the scene on the streets. generally speaking, the curfew is being honored. we have a camera both in west baltimore and then in the upper -- or the higher scale neighborhood here johns hopkins hospital. but when i mentioned to reverend pamela about the male role models in west baltimore, i said something about the bloods and the crips, so many of them get into the big business. earlier this week, i entered view only the bloods and crips. take a look at what the gang bangers said. those fellows are with the bloods and crips. those are street gangs, alleged,

as you know, drug dealers. but they have not participated, as far as i know, in the looting, have you? >> no, sir. >> why are you out here tonight? >> to tell everybody go home. there's no need for you to be out here. we're out here to tell you -- everything y'all saying is against the police. stop burning down your community. it's not against the community, it's about the police, it's about justice. >> go back to reverend jonathan mason in new york who heads the fraternity of black men. jonathan, you see those male role models. how do you convince them to go on the straight and narrow to get a minimum wage job when they have packs of $100 bills in their pocket dealing heroin. >> the first thing i want to share with you is that cheryl

and i, during your break, have come to a detente. we have come to peace. i want to address two things she said. she said, why is the death of freddie gray a focus? the father of fred gray is a member of our fraternity. monday i had to speak to him, and he was a grieving parent. when you think about a grieving parent, no parent should have a child die of a rough ride, no matter what they do. that should not happen in today's society. and the other point we were talking about is we need to teach the bloods and the crips and those young people responsibility. i think it's a decision that we all have to make as men and women that are going to mentor these communities. i developed and come up with a project called camp new joy.

the website is campnewjoy.com. >> you have to give cheryl 30 seconds. cheryl, you respond. >> that's why we reached the detente. let me just say this. i agree that no one should die as a result of a rough ride, bla, bla, bla. let me just say this about the criticism of the police officers. yes, whatever they -- if they did anything criminal, then yes, please prosecute them. but please do not paint all police officers with a broad brush. i have a 22-year-old son. he's in college now, but he grow up in new york between manhattan and brooklyn. he's never been stopped once by a police officer in new york city. never been arrested. never been frisked. never been thrown against a wall. nothing. and i think it's because of the

manner in which i and his father taught him to conduct himself in public. i'm sorry, but the world receives you in the manner in which you present yourself. if you want to be respected as a young man, present yourself to the world like a young man. if you want to be thought of as thug, present yourself that way and that's how the world is going to receive you. that doesn't mean -- >> i've got to leave it there, cheryl. thank you so much. you've been terrific. >> thank you. ladies and gentlemen, there is no doubt that all other families need healing in the inner city. it's undeniable. good parents make a difference. i think cheryl is an example of that. whatever your economic circumstances. but those stricken communities, as craig showed in his piece, needs a new approach, one that rewards responsibility, not dysfunction. that's why i love that idea. i love that idea of giving folks the dignity of sweat equity and

home ownership. as far as freddie gray, jr.'s outrageous death, i'm sorry, ladies and gentlemen, that was unforgivable. but despite yesterday's flamboyant arrest, as i said, there may not be the convictions this community craves. nobody can know in the freddie gray case exactly how that young man died or which cop killed him. that's why as i said earlier, a federal civil rights case should go first. freddie should not have been arrested on that circumstance, however shaky his life, he certainly should not have died in police custody. you know we love cops around here. we love cops. cops have the toughest job in this country. they are stuck with dealing with the worst among us. still, all parents have to feel

that the cops are there to protect and to serve every one of them, including the freddie grays of the world. thank you so much for tuning in. stay tuned to fox news for the latest live coverage.

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