i would image you will find these people probably kicked out of some mosques. greater muslim community is trying to avoid that. >> let me step in. we are going to take a quick break. >> and now fox news can confirm one security officer suffering nonlife threatening injuries two suspects shot and killed. this a gar p land texas -- garland, texas. now they are concerned. fox news just confirmed. i am going to read it the way it reads in our urgent newsroom. worried about incendiary device in the suspect vehicle. bomb squad on the scene. the scene is the car and a robot to the left of it. it has been going back and forth surveying the vehicle. garland texas suffered two things tonight a shooting outside of a venue where they were holding a free speech type

of event on the inside of that venue. the numbers are fluctuating here. i am thinking about 100 people. i am seeing numbers like 75 attendees to 100 attendees were inside. it is a contest by american freedom defense initiative. the group says it dandz forstands for free speech. they are hold ago contest 10,000 dollars a winner of a cartoon depicting a picture of muhammad. we know from reporting people have taken exception to this. we know from attacks on different venues newspaper in paris people of the lisislam faith take this as an insult. there have been threats outside of our country and perhaps even inside they don't know about our guests this hour has been christopher voss a former special agent with the fbi and worked this type of scene we are

seeing in new york city. local law enforcement would have anticipated some sort of globe act in terms of angry people about this and they would have been ready. not necessarily ready for something they saw tonight. they are coming out on social media. the the president of this group pamela geller is his her name. this is according to that witness. we have not confirmed that yet. >> the shooting outside of the venue an officer dressed in swat gear took to the stage, told an associated press reporter a double shooting it taken place outside and exchange of gun fire between suspects and police. right off the top i mention to you one garland police department security officer was shot. we expect him to fully recover.

those are the details we know right now. we have other particulars about how they are sec touring this area i can tell you about. they were taken by bus. the people inside that venue, to a nearby school. a high school. they have secured the venue as we have been told. the curtis caldwell event center as they move the people to safety as i mentioned. the crime scene with the dead two suspects and the vehicle in the center of your screen. explosives inside they are certainly concentrated on it. are there cell phones perhaps inside of that or some other sort of information. that's the kind of information i have been having with our guest christopher voss. you are still with us? >> yes, i am still here. >> this is quite sometime they are taking with this vehicle. what's the procedure? now i am getting curious about it. do they know something? how do you approach this?

the robot has been out there almost an hour now. >> until you know otherwise, until you are certain you have potential explosive device it doesn't sound to me like -- sounds to me chances are it is not. until you know there's no use in engaging in unnecessary risk. for the moment they have the scene under control. they probably have the only perpetrator involved in it. there is knee need for them to rush forward quickly and make any mistakes. they probably eliminated the eminent loss of life. they need to keep control and ensure there are no explosives. they have to be conscious what other kievendz of evidence they have to preserve. >> you were mentioning you said if there were some sort of a coordinated response. they hit that market.

they were in paris all in one day. any plan or thought, your thoughts? >> if it was couldn't go coordinated with that it probably would have already started. you have to make sure there isn't a sort of delayed response, a delayed attack. more than likely simultaneous terror, if you will is more effective and so it probably would have already started. >> okay. i am asking our crew in our control room i know we have in kdfw some reacting on the ground. i am going to request again if we can get that cued up so that people can see it. in the mean tile iwhile i can tell you the attendees at the conference the contest for artwork for that 10,000 dollar prize we are talking to local reporters some

of them the associated press and openers who are around. there's one john robie of oklahoma city oklahoma who says he was taking time. that's interesting. this vehicle's lights are on christopher. >> yes. >> i am looking at that and i wondered how that could actually be the case. did they leave the vehicle ready to go? something that is interesting that we are kind of piecing together. this witness also says he heard two single shots suddenly as well. he said he heard officers yell that they had the car before he was sent inside the building. apparently one of these officers are running in and they said they have the car. i am piecing this together based on this one eyewitness which is difficult to do because i think

you need you need more information than that. this is kind of stuff they are telling. they are being put on a school bus and taken to a nearby school and there's an opportunity to talk. >> more than likely if this is a spontaneous attack by these perpetrators. i don't know how longing it it was announced but they would have forgotten to shut the lights off in the car themselves because they were so focused on implementing what hi had in mind it would have been a lot of things they forgot to do. most of the attacks occur with rehearsals. they would take place they might not have had that much time to rehearse. >> they are seeing this play out and seeing it all over social

media. it potentially was a suicide bofber time situation or double shooting concerning people who might have been angry over this art exhibit. you had initial thoughts and i want to share it with our audience to revisit the new york based american freedom defense initiative was hosting this contest that would have rewarded a 10000 dollar prize for the best cartoon depicting the prophet of hoemuhammad. this is the kurtest kel well event center outside of dallas. people talk about the fact that there is some anger over the fact that this was even happening. the event organizer pamela geller is about free speech. you spoke earlier so eloquently. if you don't mind repeating it about our belief system coming under attack. your thoughts christopher?

oo we believe in free speech. at the same time we know this isn't free speech. one of the things the country is founded on we should tolerate speech like this but the problems that law enforcement has to deal with this is insulting speech. law enforcement's job is to maintain our liberties and try to keep the peace at the same time. >> do you think we are under attack more than ever? >> i don't think we are. the i think we are doing a remarkable job. law enforcement.ment cooperation across the spectrum who make up among the muslim community there are people on both side of the issue that do not want violence. law enforcement is working hard to establish outreach and communication with the muslim communities through out the united states so we avoid events like this. >> i want to put this piece of

information out there, too. we don't know anything about these suspects in terms of their belief system. what we know is somebody had hate in their heart tonight. that is what driy the this. we don't know if it came from the art combiptexhibit or some place else. this event reportedly is about free speech and we have seen this played out around the globe. you talk about law enforcement and doing a remarkable job. i want to point everybody to the center of their screen. they got aloft of people out of harm's way tonight. law enforcement is doing a great be job. they have had to put their arms around it as you have seen tonight. i am reading more about this area in garland texas. knotted only was it a nearby wal-mart in the big area. you are talking about putting the entire area on lock down and

keeping everybody away from the scene and safe. the perimeter around this is fierce. >> if we had an incident how do we put up a perimeter? how do we ask for help from it the other agencies in the area. if we have an incident garland's resources might immediately be overwhelmed completely. it may have been a response planned and across the different agencies outside of garland working with the garland police department. >> all right. christopher voss i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight. i hope we can ask you to stay by your phone or stay close. i want to bring in rod wheeler now. i may come back. stay close to your cell phone. rod wheeler is a former dc

homicide detective. they call on us when events get detailed on the ground like this. i don't know if you can see us rod. i think you are with us now. that's the second robot they brought in. >> that's right. what they are trying to determine, tlooers a few things they are trying to figure out. first of all so the viewers know this is a very fluid situation even though it happened overan hour ago -- over an hour ago. they are trying to figure out if there are any more suspects connected to this and whether or not there is any one injured in there. they he the entire perimeter surrounded from what i read on-line. reports are coming through as i speak. apparently there was 75 people inside the complex, but i also found out there was additional 40 police officers at the ready at that complex in case there was any trouble. looks like they are bringing in if the robots because they want to make sure the scene is

secure. >> i am reading what is in the urgent cue. i am going to add to that the event waudz coming to an end two men drove up to the front of the building in a car both men armed and began shooting at a security officer. the security officer's injuries we are told are nonlife threatening. i have rerpted that they expect him to fully recover. he ishospitalized. garland police officers then edge engaged with the gunmen. i am going to guess that means they start the shooting at each other. >> that is what that means, the police were trying to stop this active threat. when the individuals drove up to the gate they they continued to shoot. the police returned fire. from information i am seeing on my end. i am not sure if this is confirm confirmed they say the two gunmen were shot and possibly

killed by police. >> that is confirmed. >> cox news confirmed that. we have gone from what we heard and to what we know. the two men were killed when they exchanged the gun fire. we will do our own reporting to shore up the numbers. we will go with yours for now. some 40 police officers let's say many special -- former special agent with the fbi christopher voss said he anticipated he would have had that sort of show tonight just in case. >> mainly because of the type of event it was. when you look back in the united states we have had similar types of events. we have had incidents like this occur. as a precaution it sounds like what the organizers of this event did they decided to hire off duty police officers from the city of garland and that's

why the reports are saying now that it was 40 additional officers ready in case. the police were ready for trouble. they were able to engage these two individuals and sounds like stop them before they were able to cause harm to others. >> the event participants now they are still moving them apparently being evacuated from the curtis tilwell center to safety at a nearby high school. you mentioned 75 attendees. that's what we are seeing at fox news. they took a bus load of about 48 first then they were going to come back and get the balance of them and move them to the nearby high school. a few minutes ago i told you how big a job this is and what they would have to do to secure the assets.

they include a wall marted they had to evacuate a sam's club. that might be on the same property. the wal-mart and sams club. all of that being evacuated in addition to the participants of the event. >> i don't know whether they are on the same property. close enough the police thought it was necessary to evacuate. i want to make sure the viewers understand what they are looking at with the robots. the police have not officially declared this situation done and over because if they were to we wouldn't be seeing the robots. they are making sure right now there's no bombs in the area. there's no ex employsiveplosives or anything like that that are set to go off any time later in the eepg. they want to make sure the scene is secure even though the individuals have been killed. >> one of the things we talked about earlier and i am curious to get your take on this. because outside of the fbi at

the local police level, you guys are the ones that have the relationships with the community. when you talk about freedom of the speech or press being under attack you have to be having conversations about the assets about the venues about these events that are going on in the local city. what are those conversations like now and have they changed since had a what happened to that satire cal newspaper at that satireical newspaper at charlie hebdo. >> at these types of events there's a huge conversation about the security of the event itself. you know what you almost have to anticipate what something could potentially happen. you look outside of the charl will he hebb doe studios in paris and we learned a lot from that. not only that we learned a lot from other cases that have occurred even here in the united states. there has been cases and events similar to this. that's what the confer

significancesayings is about and we see the increased police presence. we nope nothing happens but we anticipate that it could possibly happen. as we see in garland texas it did in fact happen. the important thing now to realize is that the police are not sure if the shooting is specifically related to the event and that's exactly what they are trying to figure out now. they are interviewing all 48 of those people they just took away on a bus. the other individuals will be interviewing them seeing if any of those individuals could have had a relationship with the two shooters. >> that is interesting. if there had been complaints they would have wanted to know if any one had been reached out to directly and maybe triangulate around and figure out if there was a causation between what was going on inside the building and the shooting that went ott inside the building. quickly shths you quickly, you talk about the police being at the ready. i guess you could say they had what they needed. they took these guys out. >> we anticipate this.

that's why we see the robots there so quickly. we know that in situations like this it's not unusual for these types of attackers to plant bombs and other types of devices like that. that's why we have the necessary equipment at the ready in case we have to use it and it sounds like tonight the garland police department was spot on in terms of their prediction of what could have happened. it sounds like it happened. looks like it happened. >> well and you know just as we look at the scene now, and we are getting these pictures via our camera aboard a chopper. kdfw or a fox affiliate who has been doing great reporting and gathering these live pictures and letting us see in detail as much as possible. it is pretty dark out there. they are not going to -- doesn't look like they are interested in moving this vehicle. >> not yet. right now everything is going to remain as it is. the no one is going to be allowed in and no one is going to be allowed out until the police can give 100 percent surety that the scene is safe. they have a perimeter established. i can tell that from looking at the chopper view right now.

they have a perimeter established and they are not letting any one in or out until they get control of the situation. >> it is tight. you can tell it is tight. they are not even taking live shots. a lot of times when we are asked to stay tight on a scene lick this yes that's where the action is right now although the robotic devices don't seem to be moving around as much as they had been. part of that too, is they don't want us to show a wider view. potentially they are putting other assets in place. just to peel back the curtain on this it a little bit how we journalists cooperate in awith law enforcement, we relationships, don't we? >> that's right. it is very important. a lot of times -- you will find this interesting. stoims sometimes in attacks like this we have learned the attackers will be watching the television or they will have a small television so they can predict the police's next move. because we work so well with the media nowadays we can eliminate that as a possible.

one other thing quickly so the viewers know the reason they have stopped is they are using a process of elimination in terms of the area that they are checking. they are going to check various areas and i am sure there are areas they are checking that aren't on the screen but they are going to eliminate the areas and move closer and closer and closer to the event itself. >> i was going to ask you requestwhy they needed more than one and if they did different things. also what kind of information they are going to collect because they are not opening the car doors. >> they won't until they are 100 percent sure there are no explosive items. >> something that is a trigger function by opening the doors. fascinating. rob, would you mind sitting by for us. >> sure absolutely. >> i want to bring in now also on the phone ted williams a washington, d.c. attorney and former homicide detective. you are with us by phone? >> yes, i am. >> and i know you are following

this. it is always interesting to get the different perspectives from law enforcement because our safety is in your hands. i know i say former but you guys are always officers in your hearts and your heads. i would image that when something like this happens you are already thinking about what you would be doing and what they must be doing. >> oh absolutely. i think if you look at what they are able to see, law enforcement is deaf litfinitely in control here. there are at least two robots and one of them we can see on the screen is by this automobile here. they are definitely concerned about booby traps. you would also say if you look at the automobile there's a light right by the license plate. at this stage i would have to believe that law enforcement have run that tag, and they are trying to find out as much as

they can about the two individuals who have been told or killed in this incident. i would assume it has been an assumption on my part that if they had run the tags that they are moving out in other directions as a part of their investigation to try to determine who these two individuals are and the events here tonight in garland, texas. >> i am looking at the social media in ways to gather at least a mood i don't go with anything i have seen there. people are asking does this mean that free speech is under attack? the group that was hosting this are saying they would do this kind of a cartoon to prove that free speech is alive and well. after it is the freedom of the

press. nobody has made a direct connection between this and the direction on the inside. certainly from the response and readiness that police had in garland texas today and this evening, they were anticipating there might be some response from those who might not be happy with the cartoon events because the depiction of the prophet muhammad. people are saying look you have every right to host an event like this glad the miss were in place to deal with whatever might go on. >> certainly we have the right in this country, we have free speech and we have a right to depict these kinds of characters even a prophet mohammed. but we also have to have common sense here. we have to act out of abundance of caution.

we don't want to allow any one outside of this country or inside of this country for our constitutional trites free speech. from all p indications here the museum here the audience exhibit himself and those associated with it are act be properly. my rational for making that representation is they did in fact have law enforcement in place or anticipation or any kind of a problem. we cannot show in in country as it pertains to free speech. therefore you will find there will be these kinds of incidents where we will continue to exercise free speech in these kinds of matters. >> i am looking here and this is something that hit me. i remember when the satirical

newspaper charlie hebdo was under attack. the first line was shots fired outside of a satirical newspaper that published a muhammad cartoon. i am going to share what it was. two officials saying two killed after opening fire on security guard of muhammad cartoon in texas. not something you would hear in the united states of america. not making any sort of action yet. we are trying to fill in the gaps. right now they are concentrated on the car still. doesn't look like they are making movement, from what rod wheeler was taking saying on the phone they have two robots canvassing the vehicle.

>> i want to show you behind the scene law enforcement is moving in many many directions right now. we don't know whether at this stage they have made any identification of the actual bodies themselves. what you normally find if there's a shoot out of any nature, you will find law enforcement act out of an abundance of caution as to even getting close to to the body because there can always be booby trapped. we have the automobile on the screen. i am sure they are concerned as to whether or not it was booby trapped. if there is some association with a terrorist, again, we

don't know that if it is you can unequivocally believe that these individuals have a way or they cannot win one way they want to win another way. if they are in a suicidal attempt with the police officers they themselves may be booby trapped or may be bringing a booby trap or something of that nature to the scene. >> we are watching in garland texas where there has been a shooting outside of a spreefree speech event, an event hosting a contest for depiction of hue ma'am muhammad. hundreds had responded from around the world. their president pamela geller look to social media early on. i am going to share with you some of her tweets as our news team at fox news channel was picking them up.

this is her response as to what was going on. two suspects dead awaiting bomb squad for possible explosives at our free speech event. am this was some time ago more than an hour ago. tweeted cops shot pos ill explosives at our event. early on they were talking about possible explosives because of the vehicle. from our confirmed reporting at fox news channel they were quote unquote, worried about insunday air redevices. shots fired at the free speech event. they wanted people to watch her live stream at the mohammed art exhibit and cartoon contest for those who could not attend she had a live stream going on. everybody from inside the vehicle building we are being told has been moved. they have been put on a school bus. took them to a nearby high

school. from what i understand, ted, and you are a lawyer a former homicide detective they are talking with everybody. >> yeah. that is standard procedure. i have to believe ms. geller and authorities have been in touch with each other for some time now. if there may be an incident quite natural where they are hopefully they would not be. out of an abundance of skaugs i would assume there was quite a bit. (no audio) >> he made very sal yant points tonight and very helpful. you know as we look at the screen there's a lot of thoughts that can run through your mind. one thing is for sure they are watching that vehicle closely

for the just for the potential of devices but for more information about the two people who decided to go to an event where there was free speech going on on the inside and opened fire p on the outside. they shot a security guard securing the gates or entry point at that event. he is going to make it. he is hospitalized with nonlife threatening injuries. outside of this event in dallas texas near the metro four people showed up reportedly he illy armed opened fire on the guard and kept moving. for what we are understanding including our fox affiliate in dallas, texas bringing you these live pictures right now the gar lands pd was ready. they had extra force perhaps as many as 40 police officers already for this event. k

two suspects taken down with fox news. we have been talking with special agent fbi and the homicide detectives and now ted williams dc attorney and also former homicide detective as well as they look at the scene and try to figure out what is inside this vehicle. you can see one robotic camera off to the left it is clearly. the other one you can't see it has gone around in a dark area per our view. the former officers that have been talking with me live tonight each will be sections off portions of the vehicle with the lights on. as we understand this was part of the crime tonight. they rolled up in this vehicle ready to shoot. they came out shooting. that vehicle at the center of your screen one robot

concentrated on the front end the other on the back end. you can see from it the license plate they were telling you who knows what information you can get about the two men inside. that you can plainly see. the any devices would prevent the offices are getting into the vehicle. they don't have clear information from what we are told whether or not they would be part of the actual crime that the men wanted to commit. we will leave the car behind and leave it ready to blow. that's how we are treating it. they were worried there's an incendiary device rigged to the car. you feather out from this point and you have a huge area. i am seeing on social media some of the viewers who are in this area. some are saying the wal-mart and

sam's club are all on one property. how many people on a sunday evening would have been inside the store they had a dnd knew piss going. then united the ascend des that were inside the hoe ham exhibits. they were trying to win 10,000 dollars part of a free speech event that was going on. you have to move all of those people and you have to have them on hand for the local authorities to talk to all of the people. pe knew from prior reporting there had been some kind of response for this event to be happening at the venue. were there threats made? we don't know. i am going to chat to the crew now. can we roll some of the videotape? i know they have been talking to witnesses and people on the

ground. can we roll that now? if so please do. >> all i know i was working on the shells we had four fooi ks six shots nobody took it serious. >> lshtdall right. you heard that young man. nobody took it seriously. they weren't sure what they were looking at. all they knew is they had to get out of the way. it looked like a work uniform there. we still have rod wheeler on the line. we are going to bring him back. rod, are you there? he stepped back away. the shot is changing now. this is the command center. we are pulling away. of you can get a second scene. i need intel on what exactly that location was, how far away

that command post is from this week if you can get that to me that's interesting to know. whenever you sue he it set up like that that is generally where they are coordinating the information they know they are going to communicate with the public now. you have millions of people watching fox news channel and watching what's happening. locally you need to tell them what's happening. when you see a command post like that you will see a public information officer those aspects from the local authorities fbi and so on and so forth pulling into place so they can talk with the public. you have to tell your wider public that you have either contained the threat or you have not contained the threat. that's what we all want to know. do we have this person on the line i am seeing in front of me here? katrina pearson was at the event. katrina thank you for joining us by phone. are you with us? >> great to be with you tonight. >> absolutely. i understand this was a free speech event. tell me what was happening the

moment before this played out? i think people want to know what was going on inside the event. >> yes. this was absolutely a free speech event and it was actually an event that was planned in response to an anti free speech event back on january 17th. what was going on today there was a winner of a contest was made. there was a couple of peekerspeakers and pam will you geller spoke as well. i have to hand it to the garland police department who seemed very well prepared to act immediately and got everyone whofdz inside the event into a different place of the facility we started hearing what was happening to some of the media that was here on the ground. >> i understand there were about 75 or so of you. is that a pretty accurate number? >> yes. >> tell me what you heard the minute this happened? there have been reports that an officer in swat gear got up on

the stage. >> yes. just a few moem answer after the initial driver for everybody to be quiet something outside they immediately cut off all of the doors wouldn't let any one else leave and we did have the swat team there in a matter of minutes. told never one stay calm let us know there was an event happening outside there was an active shooting an officer was down and from there things started to unravel. >> what was the sense inside this venue? >> you know it was a lot of people who are freedom loving americans to appreciate free speech that were there to support the event. it was very interesting when they moved up to the location inside that building some had an american flag. they pulled it out and everyone sang "god bless america" and pledge of allegiance and there

were prayers offered mainly to the police officer that had been taught and they would be just fine now. it was just the american spirit. >> praying for that officer, too. as i hear you talking and i hear the calm in your voice right now, you can't image the frightening thoughts didn't go through your head. i am curious to know when something like this happens, because you know our way of life is under attack around the world. no one has made the direct connection katrina of what was going on on the inside with what was happening on the inside. did you attendees talk about this? did you feel that you were believing in or advocating for was under attack? >> we did. this was an event that most of us knew coming in. there would be some agitate tors. that really wasn't the point. the point is this the is united

states of america. we have one law in this country and we stand for free speech. these are the types of things where they will not submit to sharia law. everyone in the room is great. this is where we are here. we knew immediately the goal was to keep us safe. >> you were put on a bus and taken to a nearby location for safety. is that correct? >>y, that is correct. >> what's interesting we have had a couple of former detectives on and a speth agent with fbi formally and they said at the same time everybody would be talked to. had the police talked to you specifically had they talked specifically. >> they have social media and

they are doing one-on-one interviews now. most of the people were in a separate room. they had meaddia separate and they were trying to make sure everyone was different. they were trying to get that location secure. we are hearing there might be some other things going on out there. the academy, the wal-mart they are trying to get a bigger handle on the scope of the situation. >> we are looking at brand new pictures coming into fox news. we have a split screen. one off to the left that i am going to let everybody tell everyone they are watching. one off to the left which is the row robotic scene they have had the two robots come out with the two vehicles left behind the gunmen confirmed dead by fox news. you have got another situation where they are stopping cars and trying to tell people to create a perimeter.

>> what are you being told at this point? are you going to be able to leaf from this place where they have you save now oo oo they let us know after the interview process they will be released to go home. >> they provide hotel rooms for people who need it. if you live around here like myself can be home tonight. >> so you live in the area. if you look around how many people were with you? we heard they were taking you in shifts like groups. are you all together now? >> they were in groups with 48 in a separate room. >> what were they telling you in terms of what is playing out right now? are you getting any details

about what's going on? oo not giving too much. >> didn't even know much. the good lord blessed you you prayed you are okay you are okay. if you had a question what would it be? >> most don't know what actually happened. >> he just left. he walked out the door. he went that way. right. a big shirt. i am so sorry about that. >> that's okay. we are all hanging on your every word here katrina. you are one of the attendees at the event that got shot up. we want to know everybody is okay. i can report that the two suspects are dead. by shot up i mean there was gun fire exchange between these police officers and these suspects who have had one witness say there were a lot of witnesses. go ahead.

i am listening. >> they had explosives on them and that's why the perimeter is being secured now. they have expanded it. the they didn't confirm they were dead but they said two heavily armed individuals came into the parking lot. >> you said they were told at the had explosives on them. on them or on their car? did they make that clear? >> they are sort of saying my where. there were hand grenades. i am not sure. that is not confirmed. we are hearing little bits and pieces. >> katrina pearson an attendee for that event tonight giving her first person perspective on this. >> somebody said they had an

american flag in your group you took it out and sang and said a prayer. as i am looking at the scene and viewers are watching this too, live pictures they are still around that vehicle. this could be time before they release the scene. are they bringing you what you need? i am curious to know. am it has been two and a half hours now almost. >> at 5:00 p.m. central they have come in they are getting food and drinks and getting everyone into a hotel room who can't make it back home tonight. they are going to take good care of us. the police department deserves a lot of praise. >> i know you said you were split up in two groups right now and continue to question all of the people who were there. thank you for talking with us tonight and giving us your perspective. glad you are okay. >> great to be with you. thank you.

it hadz not been confirmed yet whether there's a connection whether there was a free speech tonight going outside of the culver caldwell center in gafsher texas which is northeast of dallas metro. we got a lot of information then from katrina pearson. when they were sitting there watched what happened they did their jobs to keep us safe. today's event was in response to an anti free speech event back from january 17th. it was more than just about the contest for drawing a cartoon about the prophet of the mohammed. there was a contest that would give you a 10,000 dollar prize. it was also an answer back to you can't quash our free speech. they were evacuating the venue

if you will took out an american flag and they sang together as americans began to pray for that officer the garland security officer who was shot when the two men tried to invade that venue. the officer is going to be okay by the way. but they met with that impartial -- i want to bring back rod wheeler a former dc homicide detective. 40 police officers a big number that we are now seeing more information about. they were at the ready. they figured there might be some response to this event going on. they were prepared. the suspects are did he do. are you with us? >> yes, i am. >> the police officers they had at the ready. for this event the organizer

sent well over a million for the police officers. i wonder if there was threats or anything leading up to the event that prompted them to bring in the assistance from off duty police officers. those are some of the things they are trying to figure out now what is the relationship of tweez suspects to the event whether or not it was a preplanned event and whether or not any one at the heevent would have been involved. that is why manages pearson whaten you were interviewing here. one thing she said they separated a lot of individuals attending the event. the reason they do that is they can start taking statements independent statements from each person that was there to make thur that sure that that person doesn't have any relationship to the events that are going on right now if terms of these two individuals. as far as the vehicle is concerned how long will that take with the robots? that could take well up to another couple of hours.

here is why. nowadays as sophisticated these bombs and explosive devices are the police have to be meticulous in how they approach the vehicle. the going to take that vehicle apart door by door screw by screw to make sure nothing else is in there. she talked about how think wouldn't allow any one to go back to the personal vehicles that is normal procedure. we need to make sure there is no other vehicles parked in the lot that could be associated with the gunmen. >> we got a lot of information we were talking about the vehicles. also the thing that hit me i reask on this. i want to make sure they are clear on this. the two men had explosives on them. she wasn't certain if it was on them or other loca i was curious about that from the beginning. from what you are telling me this is standard procedures.

when i see the words worry insendcendiary device. they probably have some information so now it makes sense they knew enough about what was going on to let these people know that explosives were part of this equation. >> that's what i am thinking too. that is why i mentioned earlier i wondered if there was information maybe intelligence that had came through the garland police department and maybe that's why they had anticipated this dieptype of events. the other thing that i thought was interesting is she said the watt members appeared on the stage right away after the shooting began. they were prepared for this. they knew or they thought or maybe they had intelligence that something like this was going to go down and that's why they were ready. they took these two gunmen out pretty quickly without any one else being harmed. one other thing i am not sure if

you heard, i read where the security officer was a 58-year-old gentlemen that hasn't been confirmed but i heard he is 58 years old a member of the security force down there that was brought in specifically for this event. >> i can't confirm his age i am always delicate with the ages and the numbers because they tend to change. as time goes on we learn someone's birthed day and-- birthed day and -- birthday and so on and so forth. he was brought in as a security officer to compliment what they already had in place. what we are looking at is videotape. no this is live. we have our live pictures back. thighs are the school buses they are use to go shuttle people from the venue as they evacuated it to the nearby high school. what we learned from cat tina pearson our guest who was an

event attendee they split them up into two groups. they took the first two by buses put them in the nearby high school, talked with them and they separated the groups out and they are going to go group by group seeing what people know what people need. some of the people were from out of town. do you need food do you need any sort of accommodations made because you are going to be here for some time. >> you are exactly right. that is exactly the procedure we used in these types of situations. we glean so much information from attendees. if the police can keep those individuals there it would be helpful. it sounds like everybody is cooperating with local law enforcement. they have been put on alert. the garland police department are taking the lead in this situation. i would not be surprised the fbi

haven't been notified and as well are on alert. sounds like explosives may be part of the scenario. if that is the case atf will probably be on the scene sometime soon. >> i am going to ask you to sit by. i want to bring in a terror expert now. you are with us? >> i am. >> you probably heard rod wheeler saying now this is probably broadened out to the point where you have multiple agencies. we aren't ready to label this anything because they haven't told us. do you treat this a certain way? >> you do. we have a history of attacks against free speech add cass in the past. of course the 1989 rush affair that of course charlie hebdo. we know there is of course a

pattern taking place in the past. what we are seeing on social media we are seeing at least two accounts right now according to what we are watching that could be lipped to the islamic state in some way. >> i am sure you will understand this when i say it i am sensitive about taking information that is that incendiary and we haven't vetted it yet. that's the way it seems to play out globally that you will see some sort of conversation going on and it is at your level that it has to happen and trickle down to us and tell us if it is legitimate. to hear you mention it it is interesting to me. i don't think you would maengsention it unless you were really thinking about it. >> of course we are thinking about it.

it is disconcerting we don't know anything yet. from what we are picking up right now there were indications before the attack took place. tweeting sent out before the attacks took place. it is giving us pause and prompting us to look at who ran the two accounts, the two twitter handles. we have to wait to hear int from the fbi. >> when you see something like that it's so difficult because that's a lot to watch. then when you broaden it out to every twooet every facebook post oh we ask why can't they see everything. are you so focused on a group of people you have to see what you got? >> it is impossible to keep our

eye on the ball with people who may be involved in these sorts of attacks. you don't know until the attack happens thenned you zero in on the kinds of accounts. in this case right now we are looking at a couple of individuals who tweeted out something before the attack took place. that has to get law enforcement involved this ef to take a look at who the people were figure out where they were based and perhaps by tomorrow we will have a better sense. >> this is something we can all do on our own. i am looking at it. i knew exactly what you were talking about because i have been watching it. it is better to get it from the terror expert. you wept through and you must have seen all of the onces i am seeing and you extrapolated the

two primarily because of the timing i would image. >> exactly right. the tweets came out before the attack and then looking at the people who responded. that said this could have nothing to do with the people who are tweeting here. knowing what we know about the opponents of the free speech advocates advocates dating back decades of those insisting upon their right to free speech their right to talk about muhammad their right to depict mohammed in whatever form they wish to they see the tax time again. there is a type that will attack and strike back. as i think you have been noting through out your broadcast it is too soon to tell. >> it is very early. we saw a command post get set up. p this helicopter had a tight perimeter on it. we have been looking at the video earlier now. we have been toggling between

what is happening now and live and video from earlier but not too long ago to let other viewers know. they haven't done a lot of flying around. now we are going to go back to the live picture which is a much better picture. look at all of the leetsights they set up. this picture looks completely different. what's happening do you think? >> i couldn't tell you. right now they are probably looking for the culprits. trying to set up a perimeter looking for any evidence they have been able to glean. this is happening in real time here which is often chaotic. it will take likely overnight before anybody gets a true sense of where law enforcement is who they have been able to wrap up and what kind of evidence they have of who is involved. we appreciate your time tonight. do we still have rod wheeler on the phone?

>> not sure if we do. okay. all right. we don't. >> you can see how much more illuminated this is with the two suspects of the garland police department. those suspects are dead. they got out shooting. they have some information to tell them there were explosives on those men or in this car. there are pull tim robots-- multiple robots outside to see if it is set up as a trap. now they brought up the vehicle the emergency first responder vehicle that put a whole lot of light on the scene. there is a tight perimeter. they have put this entire area in lock down. they have emptied out a sam's club a wal-mart. there was an event going on inside the turt kiss call well center a contest cartoon depiction of the prophet mohammed and a shooting outside

of that event. police officers were at the ready they thought the event might get a blow back from those who didn't agree with free speech. they killed them dead. wither going to stay on the story on fox news channel. i am harris falkner. >> two gunmen are dead in garland texas. the heavily armed men drove up to the front of the building in a car where a muhammad art exhibit was taking place and opened fire on a security officer. the security officer's injuries are not life threatening. garland police officers exchanged gun fire with the gunman killing both of them at the scene. through out the night a police bomb squad has been using a robot to check for a possible incendiary device. they are concerned the two gunmen could have rigged their car with positive explosives. they evacuated peopl