outside of that caldwell center when those two men opened fire on him this evening. >> casey steegel, we thank you very much for your reporting throughout the night. you've been watching the fox news channel, a special alert on the shooting that took place in garland, texas. you're watching fox news. this is a fox news alert. we've just been talking to casey steegel about a situation unfolding in garland, texas. all seems to be calm and quiet right now as police continue to conduct their investigation. our casey steegel was reporting live from the scene there, in garland, texas, where earlier this evening, two gunmen approached the caldwell center where a mahmoud art exhibit was going on. it was for free speech to defend free speech here in america. there were caricatures, a

contest on muhammad. one person who won, according to pam geller, was a former muslim. he won that event. and what unfolded towards the end of that event, as it was coming to a close, those two gunmen opened fire on a security officer, wounding him in the ankle. we are happy to report that he is alive and well and out of the hospital. and cooperating with police to give them more details about it. and then the two gunmen who had been opening fire they exchanged gunfire with the garland police department which had been on the scene in the event that something like this could possibly happen because of the nature of the free speech event in and of itself involving muhammad and cartoon caricatures of him. having said all of that those two gunmen are dead. their bodies laying on the ground near their vehicle they were driving.

as police used a robot to move in to determine if there were any incendiary devices in that car. and we understand through our reporting from casey spiegel on the ground there in garland, texas, that he heard sort of a muffled sound as if a detonation had taken place. that means they would possibly have removed it from the car and put it in a bomb containment unit to detonate it. there were reports that perhaps the men were armed with some sort of grenade. we are continuing to ways for casey to bring us more updates as the facts become available to him on the ground. if you've been watching this all evening long talking about the breaking details, we have heard from pam geller we've heard from karen peerson who was inside the venue when it took place. she described for us earlier how a s.w.a.t. team member went in and informed the 200 people

there that this was an active shooter situation, that the caldwell center would be locked down. and then he went on to explain that an officer had been shot now get this this is how they reacted. they reacted by one person according to her description, pulling out the american flag waving it and everyone going into a song of god bless america, and then praying there on the spot for the officer who had been wounded, and obviously for the safety of garland, texas. casey spiegel joins us live now. and casey, i find that to be remarkable how they responded in a time of travail, or potential hazard to their own safety and they decided to pray as well as saying "god bless america." and in light of this danger they heroically did that.

what are you hearing on the ground? >> reporter: yeah kelly, that is pretty powerful, when you hear that. and this is a situation that is still very much fluid at this time as we are now just after midnight here in texas. and we just heard not long ago some type of a muffled explosion. what sounded like an explosion. again, we're working to confirm the details on that in terms of whether or not an explosive device was found at the scene, and that that was detonated, and that's what we heard. that is something we're working to confirm. the curtis caldwell center where all of this is happening is not terribly far, just back that way. it would only take me a few minutes to walk there on foot. but the police have us pushed back a very large perimeter. in fact all around the facility as this is very much an active crime scene. and they are still working with the bomb technicians and the bomb robots to not only inspect

the two individuals who were killed, the two suspects who were killed by police officers tonight, but they're also using that robot to search the vehicle that they were riding in. the vehicle that they pulled up into the parking lot in and opened fire on a garland independent school district security officer, an unarmed man. and then police quickly engaged those two suspects once the gunfire erupted, and those suspects were killed by police here tonight. so very quick thinking on behalf of the garland police department. we know from press conferences earlier this evening that because of the controversial nature of tonight's event, that they had a beefed-up security presence. and they had additional officers -- additional boots on the ground. and it sounds like that that quick thinking really ended this situation before any other

innocent bystanders could get injured, because the shooting itself happened right around the time this event was going to be wrapping up. and kelly, the police said some 200 people attended this event. could you imagine if this would have happened as that event was letting out and everyone was leaving the facility to go to their cars. but the quick thinking from those garland police officers tonight likely saved many more lives, kelly. >> you know fortunately we don't have to think about that because that was not the outcome. and that's a good thing. i think it's also good that pam geller the organizer of this event, in her thinking and forethought, actually had hired some security as well. so even the organizer was prepared for the possibility of someone not accepting the fact that she was organizing an event, controversial though it may be but still organizing an event for defending free speech. and we should point out, or maybe you can point out for us what happened in january which

precipitated this and instigated this and gave her the motivation to do this to show to make a stand for america's freedom of speech. >> reporter: yeah. the islamic community here in this country put together an event back in january. we were here. we covered it. it was at the exact same place, the curtis caldwell center which is owned interestingly by the garland independent school district. so this community's school district owns the center. but they lease out the space to anyone who wants to hold events there and the like. this event was a stand with the prophet event is what it was called. they say that it was to combat islamaphobia and that not all people of the muslim faith are terrorists and to create dialogues in this country. that event was held at the curtis caldwell center. there was a very very large

protest that happened at that time. there were some controversial imams who came in from all over the country as keynote speakers at that event. and we saw a lot of people arrive and a lot of people show up. and they were very angry that the islam -- that the islamic community was holding an event like this in texas. there were threats made to that particular event. and fortunately we didn't see any violence there. but there was also a big controversy because it was at a center that was owned by the school district they were making the argument of separation of church and state. however, the school independent school district at the time said that they can't just turn people away if someone is willing to lease the space, then they do that. so again, this event tonight was apparently according to the organizer that you've been on the air with throughout the duration of the evening, kelly, says that this event was sort of

to counter what the islamic community did here back in january. and then tonight we had this incredible wave of violence and tragedy in this tight-knit community, northern suburb of dallas. >> and so here we are, as bill daley, the former fbi investigator talked to us earlier. this is the new normal. as wally perez, the terror expert here for us and fox news contributor also stating this is a new normal. or as pam geller said, this is the new normal. it has come to this. and casey, as you continue to watch the developments here we've heard so many different reports. it could have been in boston it could have been at ft. hood. but tonight it's in garland, texas. people are wondering what if anything will happen next. from a law enforcement standpoint what will the police have to do throughout the night, and then from -- and moving forward to make sure that the people of garland can return to

as normal as they possibly can? >> reporter: well first and foremost kelly, they have to obviously clear the crime scene and they have to make sure that it is safe. and that's what we've been talking about with the work that's been done with the explosives the technicians, and the bomb squads that are on the scene, because they didn't -- the police said they didn't have any specific evidence to make them believe there were explosive devices on scene here. but because of the nature of this attack they wanted to err on the side of caution. first and foremost they're going to go through and make sure that there is no live grenades or there is no backpacks containing explosives anything like that. once they clear that scene and deem that it is safe for the other first responders to go in as we said in some of our reporting tonight, the footprint of the crime scene will likely diminish. and that's when the medical examiners can get in there and

remove the bodies of the two suspects that are still outside of the car. they can work on trying to get a positive i.d. on them trying to figure out who these two men were begin digging into their backgrounds and the rest. and the crime scene will be processed. they will take all of the photos do all of the shell casing collection things like that. so a lot of work still to be done. and the police here telling us that this could go for several hours into the night as they make sure that all of the is are dotted and ts are crossed and the community as a whole is no longer in danger. at this point it feels like there is no real danger as the police have again, allowed us to come back to our camera positions. >> i'm going to ask you one final question as we get ready to close this out. i wanted to ask you, we had heard from wally that congressman luis gobert may have

been among the guests there, as well as other dignitaries. in addition to the free speech event that this was, it's also a high-profile kind of case because of someone high in politics being there as well. so it's something that the fbi and police are likely to look at to see if this was also a motivating factor for these particular gunmen to strike at that time getting close to the hour most of those people leaving and fortunately it didn't happen that way. >> reporter: well yeah obviously that is all part of what they're going to be looking into. was this particular event targeted. was anyone at this event a specific target. all of that information is what they have to start digging into. but at this point we don't even know the identities and the authorities don't even know the identities of these two men. it's still too dangerous for them to approach the vehicle to collect the bodies and begin the

identification process. so a lot of unanswered questions at this hour as police are first and foremost trying to make sure that everything is safe. and then all of the other details and the rest of the nitty-gritty will come out in the coming hours and days kelly. >> okay. casey casey, thank you for your reporting tonight and keeping us updated throughout the evening. a new normal what happened in garland, texas, as casey has reported throughout the evening. two gunmen pulling up to a muhammad art exhibit outside the caldwell center. shot a security officer. the security officer wounded only in the ankle. the garland police department ready on the scene in case something happened because of the controversial nature in defense of free speech was unfolding tonight. they were there at the ready and took out those two gunmen. their bodies still lay at the vehicle they were driving, as

police moved in to try to determine if an incendiary device was in that car. as bill daley, the former fbi investigator pam geller the organizer tonight of the event, as well as a terror expert have determined this is the new normal. this is what we are experiencing in america. but we still have the right to defend our freedom of speech. and as we saw this evening, or heard this evening, inside that venue, when they learned that an officer was down what those people did was waved the american flag singing "god bless america" and began to pray. we end that tonight. we're going to go back to stossel now already in progress. thank you for joining us for this special breaking news on fox news. good evening. we

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jobs? obama's stimulus was more than $800 billion. obama stimulus is more than $800 billion government just threw money at people and that their cronies to supported them with political connections it is the slowest job growth ever. the correct -- correct in answer is entreprenuers like best buy that has 140,000 people. when braddish started it had 65 per you work your way up? >> i did but i would have sounded like those you interviewed when i started it death a while to figure out that is not how it works john: you kept moving up the image became ceo. >> i saw at the ground level what it takes and also how to be extraordinarily

successful with the customer on your side. john: you increased the size of the company's 65 about 160,000 but there has been some creative destruction know there are fewer workers i suppose competition but some is regulation? >> it is much harder. over first 20 years it would be relatively easy and as the company was growing you to go to government agencies to get protection but it is a lot easier to do that it is certainly a lot harder. john: i am agree but many say that with the clean-air rules and here is the cruz

about the regulations. >> don't you agree you cost jobs by putting the mandates on employers and businesses in general? >> talk about fuel efficiency standards. two responded to the new requirements. >> that they hired more to working compliance so let's be honest to say some will hurt or go out of business look at the macro evidence we are trading fewer jobs and small business is having a harder time i don't think that is an accidental connection. john: where the congressman is wrong it is a broken window fallacy break windows

because then they have to hire the janitor and the glassmaker said you create jobs but leaves out those jobs that go into compliance you higher fuel were real creators. >> i understand why we helped to make the environment safer but what isn't there is the honest of those unintended consequences with those costs and regulations that cannot afford to do it they're not the of large well-capitalized corporation. that crushes the little guy that has the lion's share of the jobs. >> when i began the segment i said to creates jobs i should say a few people got

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security officer at a contest for cartoon depictions of muhammad. it happened in the dallas suburb of garland. that security guard was shot in the leg. but is back home tonight after being released from the hospital. the bomb squad is still on the scene. they are using a robotic device to inspect the two men who were shot as well as their vehicle. it was a teps scene, chaotic at best with police swarming the building after the shooting. event organizers telling the crowd what was going on. >> we have a little situation here. the security people are running like crazy outside. somebody said we have no idea shots fired outside. we have no idea. we're looking right now what's going on. we have a little situation developing live right now.

we're in garland, texas, at the curtis caldwell center 6:52 in the afternoon. >> no one inside the curtis caldwell center was injured. we still do not know the identity of the suspects. police are not aware of any ongoing threat and say they have not received any credible threats before the event. it happened during a contest hosted by the new york-based american freedom defense initiative that would award $10,000 for the best cartoon depicting the prophet muhammad. such drawings are deemed insulting to many followers of islam. stay with fox news channel for more developments from garland, texas, as we continue to follow those developments. now back to our regular programming already in progress. . >> you're not supposed to drive that 13.

>> child labor laws but the government's rules create unintended effects it is meant to keep the kids out of sweatshops to save 50 notes may not work more than three hours per school day or before 7:00 a.m. and read the fine print because if you don't you were in trouble. this gray three change let teenagers work said they were fined $600,000. they just don't fear the fines but the paperwork if they dare hire a young person. that is why a so many companies today will not even consider hiring a person who was not at least

16. so many valuable opportunities are lost. >> i was eight years old to work in the bakery. i don't think i even got paid. >> it does make some exceptions if you work for your family. >> my job working in a family's restaurant at eight years old then promoted to host is then waitress. john: she learned from that. from the work that sadly is off to a new legal. >>. >> only after she spent time working to say that now it was transformative but now they are mostly illegal to say they exploit young people.

to exploit those other interns many went on to careers in journalism even though they did not have the experience or knowledge of what it is like to work it was a win-win but the administration and lawsuits that have killed those opportunities in the largely gone for both banks government politicians are responsible for this. >> cut the number of full-time jobs by 2.3 million

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john: the once tried to open n a lemonade stand i failed. tried to follow the rules that they were in the was the government said i had to take a 15 our food protection in class. to sell lemonade? then i have to wait weeks than a fire extinguisher. john: eventually i gave up to open in a legally it would take 65 days the yet government keeps adding wrote -- rules i say this is why job growth is so slow. fewer people even try to start a business today because you don't know if you break the rules this isn't 175,000 pages of the

regulations on the books today the university of virginia law professor says regulations are good. the manhattan institute agrees with me. you have to read mitt this deters people from opening a business? >> we'd want people to sell toys in lemonade so we need to identify the rules to lead to positive consequences to affect every major rule goes through a cost-benefit process to make sure the benefits outweigh that cost. >> first of all people will kill their customers? i suspect he will block poison his customers if they

ate make them said he will not last very long and he is out of business or in jail. >> belle glade you have all of these rules and piles of paper how to keep that straight? >> sell the of these need to be undertaken of new knowledge for example to talk about specifics that is under development for a long time and though the recently have we been able to adopt those regulations. >> death air and water got cleaner thanks to those regulations but now we're into minuscule differences. >> it depends on your perspective. but what saved tens of

thousands of lives based on the well-established there is no local conspiracy. >> rand if regulations did that maybe we have a different conversation but talk about the epa with $6 billion or more where the department of transportation could do the same so there is a wide disparity between organizations. >> if they wed just make up these numbers then they also go through additional scrutiny then they ensure that government does not cooked the books. john: what about the

americans with disabilities act? look at what has happened fewer disabled people work because employers say if i hire this person i can never fire them. 51 percent of disabled now is down at 32%. >> look closely about causality. if we found there were negative job consequences i do think the solution is to walk away but identify what type of job training or placement to ensure there in positions where they can succeed. >> using paper and procedures saul's everything >> eppley need the right to rules of the road to maximize value for the american people.

>> look at what we have right now there is over 1 million uses of words like shall ormuz store cannot propose are commandments. >> we could simplify regulations and lawyers could get to work to simplify there are mechanisms their procedures to evaluate. >> he talks about protecting consumers but unless they protected is established businesses to raise the cost to entry. lot of times we see the fingerprints of big business on regulation. >> and they have day compliance compartment to deal with that.

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escape it it will be completed the inescapable. if you are very ambitious say and do have more time to be a more productive use this technology but if you are not you want to remain stagnant it will be tough because the company will just hire somebody for less money to replace you who will work harder. john: they say then we are of use but us bls said the average hours worked per week has declined 13%. >> so the average of full-time employment is 49 hours a week for for a room the workers - - four hour the workers it is 48 if you just work 9 to 5 you have to

work for your parents. john: but some action like that is the burden. >> people -- of people don't want to work that. >> is a results based economy where lawyers still wanted do things like they did 30 years ago but cop if you can show results. >> i would think that is good you perform or you don't. people are still clearly unhappy this woman quit her job line jujube and made this deal its video and 90 million people watched it she wanted to make a funny video a and she was hired so

society rewards year to do these events to make a mockery. >> she ends up switching jobs would you hire her? she could do it again. john: in the movie she begins to go would disturb repressive boss percolator they locked him in his house while he is:the improve the workplace to add flextime. >> this is the program may authorize a flexible hours. >> people love it. >> this is their hollywood depictions in but workers today have choices.

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. john: record numbers of people are out of the workforce. somewhere retired, some are disabled. millions say they want to work they can't find a job. i interviewed some of those people outside a government office right near here, that awards benefits to people who cannot find jobs. what should government do to help people in need? >> give them money. >> they need to find more jobs. john: have you looked for jobs? >> yeah. john: no jobs around? >> no. john: there are no jobs around? >> i don't think so. there wouldn't be this line out here if it was. john: i asked my team to check that out. within a few blocks of the welfare office they found lots of businesses that want to hire people. >> yes. we are hiring. john: this frozen yogurt store wishes more people would apply. >> we need two or three people all the time basically. john: so does the burger joint. >> hiring for cashiers chefs

and prep cooks. john: of 79 businesses that we asked in less than two hours, 40 said they would hire. 24 said they'd take people with no experience. >> at the welfare office people told us there's no jobs. >> plenty of jobs. john: he said he'd like to hire a dozen people but no one applies, and his restaurant is a block away from the welfare office. one of the women i met at welfare office works for the human resources department. is it possible they're not trying? >> a lot are not, you can tell the ones that are trying. john: do you think you, in human resources, encourage people to be dependent? >> yes, we do. john: what should we do about that? >> i don't really know, i don't really know. i guess stop giving away the money and they'll get a job. john: have you looked for a job? >> i can't work right now because i'm on disability. >> there is nothing out there. nothing. john: there are no jobs?

>> no nothing in my field, i'm a medical assistant. john: what about going outside your field. >> i've done that. john: working in a restaurant. >> the restaurant is not going to give me the money i need to stay where i am. >> the restaurant won't pay as much as she can get by not working. well-intended welfare state taught people work is for suckers. have to leave the house hire baby-sitters, spend money to commute and take orders from a boss. why do that if you can do pretty well without having a job? that's a terrible message. not only does it deprive america of the wealth and innovation if more working age people do work but also most of the workers themselves would be happier. so says the author of hacking happiness. john havens. what do you mean they'd be happier. >> find a sense of purpose in the work. the woman said i'm a medical assistant, doing the work you feel you are born or have the skills to do that increases

well-being. john: you feel purpose, you feel good about going to work. how many people have that? what if your work is really hard, if you're scared going to work if you struggle? . >> work shouldn't be hard in the sense of a challenge. risk about work is a good thing. there's the thing called the flow state. if you're a marathon runner and interviewed someone at the height of a race. they're not going to be going hey i feel fantastic they are in physical misery but built what they are going to do. like chariots of fire he said why he had to go to the olympics. i have god's pleasure in me i'm doing the work god gave me to do. john: this is especially important for men more than women. >> men feel the cultural onus to be the main bread winner, and divorce can be caused more when men don't have work to bring home the bacon. john: women are wiser, they have other things that bring them sense of purpose in their lives. men tend to focus on work.

>> it's actually a cultural perception. the positive psychology is uniform for men and women, in the sense of gratitude altruism, flow, is the same for men and women. the cultural flow from the 50s and 60s linger the idea is men feel, and this is what men pose to themselves. they feel they should bring home more money, even if the wife or partner don't think they need to. john: thank you, john. he's onto something. i asked people outside the studio. if you didn't have to work would you? >> no. >> no. >> hell no! >> not if i didn't need the money. >> absolutely not. i'm done. >> i would still be doing productive things. just wouldn't be you know, working for the man. john: i can assume most people would say something like that but what surprised me is that more people said this. >> i actually love my job. >> i love all my jobs. i have three, and love every

single one of them. >> work gives you purpose? >> extremely yes yes. >> absolutely get something from the job. john: me, too. that's our sho all i know is we heard, like four five six shots and nobody was taking it serious. >> this is a fox news alert from america's news headquarters. i'm kelly wright. police killing two suspected gunmen sunday who opened for at a security officer. it happened in the dallas suburb of garland. that security guard was shot in the leg but is back home tonight. the bomb squad is still on the scene. they're using a robotic device to inspect the two men who were shot as well as their vehicle. at one point overnight, our fox news reporter