yammering. megyn is next. i'm bill o'reilly. please remember the spin stops right here. we are definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight. new fallout as free speech comes under attack in america. not just by jihadis, but also by some in the press. welcome to "the kelly file," everyone i'm megyn kelly. on sunday a group called the american freedom defense initiative held an event in garland, texas, asking people to draw cartoons of the prophet muhammad which is considered blasphemous in islam. they were trying to make a point about intolerance by some in the muslim world and about principles on which the usa is supposed to stand firm. namely that no matter how abhorrent one might find another's words, in this country, we defend their right to say them. standing up for that principle is not an endorsement of the controversial speech. it is promoting a value at the

very core of who we are. the group holding this contest was not on tv shouting its message. it was holding a private event behind closed doors to make a point about liberty. sure enough the jihadis responded and were shot dead by a quick-reacting police officer on scene. incredibly what has happened in the days since is a rush to condemn the event organizers with nary a mention of the radical islamists who sought to murder them over a cartoon. by the way, these two guys now reportedly may have links to isis or at least were inspired by them. over the last 72 hours, we have heard the event organizers condemned for being too provocative, too stupid even for inviting their own attempted murder. >> we shouldn't let that free speech turn into hate speech. >> an anti-islamic group held a contest on who could be the

nastiest draw the nastiest cartoon of muhammad. do you believe the people set that kind of a mouse trap? >> everyone has the right to freedom of speech. it's good to stand by that principle, but these people are not standing by that principle. they're standing by the principle of hatred for other people. >> i think that an analogy is a clan group that decides to hold a cartoon contest satirizing black people. certainly that would make many people angry and it might even bring out a black nationalist or two who was willing to do some shooting him or herself. is that a good thing? i think not. >> so what people are saying is that there's always this fine line. you know between freedom of speech. >> between freedom of speech and provocation. if this is where american sentiment stands on this issue, then the jihadis are officially winning. the terrorists' point was to shut us up, not just the organizers of this event but any american who dans to disagree with their way of life or thinking.

there may be a time and place to discuss whether this kind of discourse is helpful to our country, to our fight with the jihadi jihadis, and so on. but within hours of an attempted murder of the very folks under attack? the reaction is well you asked for it. well they did not ask for it. in this country, we have every right to say what we want to say about muhammad or anyone else for that matter. and the rest of society can condemn this group's speech as a matter of decorum, but how about waiting a beat until the crime scene has been cleared? lest we appear more concerned about offending islam than we are about a fundamental pledge we've all taken, namely liberty for all. by rushing to attack the very people whose lives were targeted the press knowingly or not, draws the kind of moral equivalence between those who speak words some find offensive, and those who would kill over such words. moments ago, i had the chance to

speak with eugene volak, he's one of the leading constitutional scholars in the united states. he teaches free speech law and a first amendment clinic at ucla school of law. he clerked for u.s. supreme court justice sandra day o'connor. his work is cited by the u.s. supreme court on the first amendment. and he is also the founder and co-writer of the conspiracy blog on the "washington post" website and widely read and respected legal blogs in the country. professor, very good of you to be here tonight. so let's start with this. was this protected speech or wasn't it? >> yeah absolutely. there is no exception under the first amendment for blasphemy. it's no exception for speech that offends people because of their religious beliefs. people are free to express themselves this way. free to engage in much more offensive speech than that. >> when we see people like a news anchor at another network who has a law degree but i don't

think has practiced law come out and tweet today saying "hate speech is excluded from protection protection" and follows up with "don't just say you love the constitution, read it." he is wrong. >> yeah. absolutely. there's nothing in the constitution about hate speech. if you look at the supreme court's interpretation of the constitution supreme court has made clear that all viewpoints are protected under the first amendment. regardless of whether they're hateful or otherwise. even the nazis are protected under the first amendment. even the kkk is protected under the first amendment. and this -- this speech is critical of a particular ideology. it's critical of islam, in particular it's critical of extremist islam, but even beyond that it's true that the organizers of the event think that islam in general is in many ways dangerous and unsound. that is they have every right to express that view including by commissioning drawings of muhammad. this is fully protected by the

first amendment. everything the supreme court has said supports that. >> we've seen that recently in the westboro baptist church case that went up to the supreme court in which 8-1 the u.s. supreme court sided with those people from the westboro baptist church running around with signs saying god hates the f-a-g-s word, at a dead man's funeral, at a soldier's funeral. >> yeah so what's interesting in that case, there was speech it was actually not right at the funeral, but about 1,000 feet away but an occasion of a funeral, this was not the case in the -- with the texas art show. that was speech that specifically targeted a private person for harsh condemnation. not at all with this show. that was speech that specifically talke about how it's a good thing. saying god for dead soldiers because that's god's righteous punishment to kill americans. that's not this speech. much less offensive than the speech of the supreme court held was constitutionally protected.

to be sure, the speech is offensive to some muslims who think that any depiction of muhammad is offensive. well the law is not made by religious groups that get to say, well this speech is blasphemy, we get to shut you up over that. there is no exception for blasphemy. there is no exception for even hate speech which this speech i think is not. >> and what of the people who say, well even if it's allowed, it shouldn't be done because it has no value, this type of discussion at this type of event. >> well surely this kind of discussion does have value. it has value in debate about islam and about the role of islam and about the reaction of some muslims, fortunately only a small portion of muslims to these kinds of things. beyond that it has value as a reaffirmation of free speech rights value as an act of defiance it has value of people saying look, we are not going to be shut up. when you tell us that we cannot

draw pictures of muhammad when you tell us we cannot say these things or else you'll kill us that just means we're going to do it again and again to show that you cannot threaten americans into submission. in fact the winning cartoon in this particular contest was one in which there was a picture of muhammad saying something like you can't draw me and then there's a mouth bubble coming out as if from the artist saying that's why i'm drawing you. that the whole point of this was to say, you cannot tell americans, you cannot tell a free people what you can and cannot say, and that's a very important message to say especially in times like tease. >> when you see members of the media for the most part rushing to condemn the event, i mean there's been so much more discussion about how they shouldn't have had this event, it was too provocative and stupid, than there has to be focus on the attackers. what's your reaction? >> well i haven't monitored all of the television channels.

i have seen people indeed say look this isn't what people should be saying it's too provocative. well, there are times when first amendment rights have to be defended and have to be defended by saying we're going to say these things even though we realize there's a risk of violence, even though we realize there's a risk of attack. the only way we can protect our free speech rights is by reasserting free speech rights. look lots of things are provocative. in times past and maybe the present, a black man and white woman, say, walking down the streets in some neighborhoods might be provocative. a gay man kissing another gay man in a public place might be provocative. is that a reason to say we condemn you because some people might attack you for it? not at all. it's a reason to say you're entitled to express yourself whether it's express your love of each other or express your disapproval of a particular religious ideology, notwithstanding the fact that people might want to attack you for it. >> and in that westboro baptist church case decided 8-1 in favor

of their right to say the hateful things the court found as follows. "speech is powerful, it can stir people to action move them to tears of both joy and sorrow and as it did here inflict great pain. we cannot react, the court concluded, to that pain by punishing the speaker. as a nation we have chosen a different course." professor volokh thank you for your expertise tonight. we appreciate you being here. >> thanks very much for having me. so how is this free speech fight playing with the presidential candidates? dr. ben carson is here live in a "kelly file" exclusive. this is his first tv interview since declaring his run for the white house. he will weigh in on that. plus, the amazing story from his childhood you likely never knew until now. wait until you see the piece we put together on dr. carson for you tonight. plus, we have the video the clinton camp did not want withdrew to see from an event they tried to shield from the cameras. we'll show you what fox news

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breaking tonight, we vt campaign trail video the clinton team did not want you to see from a tuesday campaign stop at

rancho high school in las vegas. remember we're weeks into her run for president without a single media interview. a new record in modern campaign campaigns. after her press team started moving all the media cameras back from the area where mrs. clinton would be interacting with some students one brave fox producer slipped through the lines and secretly recorded what was happening. watch. >> oh wow. i love this. line up everybody. come around. turn around. get a picture. >> while you see campaign photographers, no media were there to see the candidate actually laughing with students. any one of them could have blurted out a question at any moment about e-mails or foreign donors or some other issue the campaign has been desperately trying to avoid. earlier tonight, i spoke with dana perino about it she's the former white house spokeswoman under george w. bush. she's co-host of "the 5" and author of the new "the new york times" bestselling book "and the good news is."

>> thank you. >> they put it to her. >> you know what, you captured the most authentic moment of her campaign so far. i mean she really should send you a note of thanks. >> but terrifying because that too, the cameras had to be pushed away from. she didn't know it was going to be all about whether she was going to go to the prom with somebody. >> the students did look a little vicious. >> we're laughing but it's 24 days in her campaign. we've seen huckabee fiorina, tonight ben carson cruz rand paul rubio, all have come out and taken tough questions from me from others. 24 days she hasn't given an interview to one person. >> well, all those republicans that you mentioned, they actually have to work for the nomination. she knows that at this point, she's going to waltz right into the nomination so the safest thing for her to do because she's not good in interviews and all of these stories are bad, her poll numbers are decreasing the best thing for them to do i would suppose, is to just keep doing what they're doing. you saw the polls today. her numbers have taken a hit on trustworthy

trustworthiness, but generally she's holding strong with democrats which is all she needs to do right now. >> it's safe but is it somewhat contemptuous -- >> yes. >> of the american people? >> yes. >> but she doesn't care because she's contemptuous of the american people. at least for the republicans. we want to know what kind of president would you be? i think that from a campaign standpoint being sanitary is exactly what they said they were not going to be. how many articles did you read in the lead-up to her announcement that she was going to run a different campaign day were going it let hillary be hillary? it was going to be less scripted she was going to be unguarded. >> she was going to -- >> interact. >> taun dawn of a new day between hillary clinton and the press corps. >> her book came out. the reviews were terrible and started the slide slowly down the way. bill clinton has been out on the trail. he's rusty, getting flak from people like ruth marcus in the "washington post." >> liberal. >> saying what is he doing? he certainly lost his touch. >> hillary put herself in the

presidential protection program, underground, not to be seen unless you can get the big moment with the iphone with her and the prom. bill clinton on the other hand is attempting a defense. we saw him yesterday try to come out. i don't know what he was saying. it was tough to follow quite honestly. today he came out to defend her on the clinton cash book and this is what he said. >> even the guy that wrote the book apparently had to admit under questioning that he didn't have a shred of evidence for this. he just sort of thought he'd throw it out there and see if it would fly. >> not a shred of evidence. and we're supposed to say that's good enough. >> when you're describing action in the clinton household shred might not be the word you want to use. okay? the reason her poll numbers are taking a hit on trustworthiness, which is the most important factor in a presidential election if you ask the expert at fox news digital, that is what people care about in a presidential election. and those numbers, once they slide, it's very hard to earn them back. i don't think bill clinton did her any favors there. they're going to struggled to find anyone who could come out and actually defend not only

that there's a scandal part she's also now flip-flopped on three major issues trade, immigration, and crime. >> that's not going to hurt her with the democrats? >> it might not hurt her with the democrats. >> none of this is going to hurt her with the democrats is the takeaway. >> here's what i don't understand. why wouldn't someone else in the democratic party want to get involved? she was beatable in 2008. obviously she is beatable in 2016. and i know that liz warren flirts with the idea. she's sort of talked to some people about the possibility of a campaign. i actually think if one of them got into the race she would have a hard time. that is why you see her doing these type of things. changing her position. >> moving to the left. >> that shows the power of barack obama. you know why? he's pulled the party so far left this is not the party of bill clinton anymore. it used to be thought that she would be running for the third clinton term of which people were quite no stallstalgic for that age. she just put herself on at least those three issues trade, immigration, and crime, way to the left to the left of barack obama. that is a power that he has

pulled the party so far left there's hardly any centrist democrats anymore. >> wow, dana perino always great to speak with you. >> thank you for having me. dr. ben carson agreed to come on "the kelly file" tonight for his very first tv interview since declaring a presidential run. when we started zig eded digging into his past we discovered a shocking moment from his teenage years that he says could have meant a life in prison instead of a life in medicine. wait until you hear his story. it's stunning. plus the mayor of baltimore now wants the department of justice to investigate her own police department suggesting they are racist. mark tiesen is next on who he thinks should get the blame for the problems rocking charm city. here's a hint. it's not the cops. >> in order to achieve the kind of sustainable and significant reform that we want to see, that i want to see, that the city citizens want to see in baltimore, i am requesting the department of justice conduct a

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i'm asking the department of justice to investigate if our police department engaged in a pattern of practice stop searches or arrests that violate the fourth amendment. at the end of this process, i will hold those accountable if change is not made. >> that was baltimore mayor stephanie rawlings-blake today calling on the department of justice to investigate the entire baltimore police department. in the wake of six officers being charged in the death of freddie gray. the mayor now calling for the same kind of investigation we've seen in places like ferguson where major problems were found in the department there, but the officer who sparked the investigation was cleared of all charges. marc thiessen is fox news contributor, former speechwriter for president george w. bush. marc this is the mayor.

she's african-american. her police commissioner is african-american. her police department is majority/minority. yet she wants the doj to come in and to sniff out discriminatory policing that her department may be guilty of. >> yeah and not only that half the officers accused in this crime are african-american. are they racist? i mean even the crime that she's specifically talking about that supposedly sparked this investigation has nothing to do with race. look the problem in baltimore is not racism. the problem in baltimore is liberalism. baltimore is a disaster because it has had five decades of uninterrupted democratic rule. the last time there was a republican mayor of baltimore was in 196 which7 which is the year i was born. >> a long time ago. >> that was a long time ago. they're longer every year. there have been only two republican governors since spiro agnew in 1969. once just took office.

deep blue city in a deep blue state. the city council is run by democrats, school board run by democrats. if there's a problem in baltimore, the democrats built that. >> i know you talked about in your column this week how "the new york times" had a report studying the nation's 100 largest counties and the one where children faced the worst outside of escaping poverty is the city of baltimore. so do you think that this mayor and other officials there are scapegoating the cops to write off long-existing problems in this town? >> that's exactly right. this -- the mayor is trying to distract from the real problem which is that their policies have failed to improve the lives of people in baltimore generally and particularly in the sandtown neighborhood. so think about this. since the war on poverty was started in the 1960s the poverty rate in america is 14.5%. that virtually unchanged since the 1960s in the baltimore, it's 24% and 35% for children. african-american young men have an unemployment rate in

baltimore of 37%. to put that in perspective for you, the national unemployment rate during the great depression was 23%. so in baltimore, it would be progress to get to the employment levels of the great depression. this is a town where nobody has a chance to get out, nobody has a chance to improve their lives, no one has a chance to earn their success. they're trapped in cycles of poverty because of the policies of democratic rule for five decades. >> so the police -- they may make -- they may be found guilty in this case but they as a group are now being served up on a silver platter to the doj as the fall guys? they may have -- we don't know whether they'll be dltguilty or not, whether they did something wrong or not. it's not systemic racism. they're trying to distract from the real problem. this is a town where people don't have a chance to improve their lives. take i mean for example, the democratic policy is basically throw money at problems. that's what baltimore has been doing for years. the "washington post" reported they spent $130 million on sandtown. no progress whatsoever. so baltimore, the education

system they've -- third highest per-people spending 55% of kids can't in the fourth grade can't read at basic level. >> unbelievable. >> that's what happens when you throw money at problems. >> unbelievable. >> marc, thank you. >> thanks megyn. breaking news. live pictures of a frightening scene over norman oklahoma. look at these pictures. very ominous. massive storms are rolling through. look at this. twisters have already caused damage in parts of kansas earlier tonight. this system is right now headed toward the town of moore, oklahoma where a deadly twister devastated the community just two years ago. we're watching this. we'll go back as warranted. plus up next ben carson. just over 48 hours now into this campaign announcing right as an ugly new debate over free speech breaks out following an attempted terror attack that we discussed at the top of the shore. he's here live in his first tv interview since announcing his

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dr. ben carson announcing this week that he is officially running for president. the very idea of a white house bid for dr. carson might once have been unthinkable for those who witnessed his childhood. but ben carson's remarkable story is one of beating the odds and then some. born september 18th 1951 in detroit, ben carson's childhood was anything but ideal. the second son of sonya and robert solomon carson, his family lived in inner city detroit. they were extremely poor. when he was 8 years old, his parents split up. his dad was leading a double life with another wife and children. as carson writes in his book "gifted hands," his father's

departure was devastating. "i don't know how long i cried. i only know it was the saddest day of my life." >> his mother was left to raise the boys on her own. she had only a third grade education. still, she was determined her sons would beat the odds but carson wasn't exactly a model student. he was much more interested in playing outside or watching tv than studying. so she came up with a plan. >> said turn off the tv let us watch only two, three tv programs during the week. with all that spare time, read two books a piece from the detroit public libraries and submit to her written book reports which she couldn't read but we didn't know that. >> soon carson started to love reading and went from the bottom of his class to the top. but carson nearly lost his future when at age 14 he tried to stab another boy. the blade only stopped by a belt buckle. >> i recognized at that moment that i was completely and totally out of control. and i went home and shut myself

up in the bathroom and i started praying and asking god to take that temper away from me. >> from that day on, arsoncarson says he was a changed man, went on to earn a scholarship at yale university where he met his wife candy. together they raised three sons. after yale it was on to medical school and eventually a residency at one of the best hospitals in the world, johns hopkins. it was there carson made medical history. at age 33 becoming the youngest physician ever to head a major division at hopkins. in 1987 he and a team of doctors became the first to successfully separate twins joined at the back of the head. the story was later told in a film about his life starring cuba gooding jr. >> peter? >> ultrasound. >> doctor? >> which child would you like to see first?

>> thank you. thank you. >> in addition to the countless lives he has saved, carson and his wife have changed the lives of thousands through their carson scholars fund a scholarship program that awards students who excel academically and who give back. in 2001 the library of congress named him a living legend. in 2004 president bush appointed him to the president's council on bioethics. two years later, the naacp paid tribute to him with its highest honor. and in 2008 president bush awarded him the highest civilian honor in the land. the presidential medal of freedom. but it was his speech at the national prayer breakfast two years ago that turned him into a conservative rock star with president obama sitting just feet away dr. carson attacked the current health care system political correctness, and compared today's america to ancient rome. >> nobody could even challenge them militarily but what happened to them? they destroyed themselves from

within. moral decay. fiscal irresponsibility. they destroyed themselves. and if you don't think that can happen to america, you get out your books and you start reading. but, you know, we can fix it. >> almost immediately, some said he should run for office. an idea he initially dismissed. that same year, he retired from medicine but instead of walking off into the sunset the good doctor had a change of heart. in his hometown of detroit, ben carson made his white house bid official. >> i've ben carson, and i'm a candidate for president of the united states. [ cheers ] >> carson! carson! >> and joining me now dr. ben carson presidential candidate. dr. carson great to see you. congratulations on your announcement and what an incredible story that i think

many people may not have known had they not read your book. let's start with what happened with your father. he was a bigomist and your mother left him, or they separated when she found out. how did that affect you? >> well obviously i was devastated. as any child would be. and prayed every night, please help them to get back together. not really realizing why the divorce had taken place. and it was really some years later before my mother really gave us the full story of what had happened because she didn't want to demonize him in our eyes. >> did you ever see him again? >> yes. the last time i saw him was the day that i got married. he died many years ago. >> wow. and did you ever have any contact with the other family? >> i did, but i didn't know who they were. >> wow. >> so sometimes on sunday morning he would take us and we

would visit these people. i didn't really know who they were until much later. >> that's incredible. and just reading up about you, you can't escape the profound influence that your mother had on your life. and on really saving you from an alternate existence. i know that you said the most important thing -- >> absolutely. >> -- that she did for you and did so many was she taught you not to accept excuses. explain that. >> well, she refused to be a victim herself, and every time that we would come up with an excuse out of her mouth would come the poem yourself to blame. pretty soon we got tired of hearing that poem so we stopped looking for excuses. that's why i think it was so important, because, you know all of us have a lot of obstacles in our lives, a lot of problems and if we can find an excuse, we can wallow in that and don't have to do anything about it.

people who blame somebody else for something don't accomplish much. >> that poem is by mimi white. you mentioned it before -- i actually have it printed out on the wall of my office. i encourage all the viewewers to do the same. it's a very empowering message. i want to ask you about whether you do think today in america we are cultivating a victimization culture. >> oh without question. and it's inner-generational now and it molds itself into an entitlement mentality where people think that they are old in existence. and what we really owe people is an opportunity. and we have to reinstill that can-do attitude that is so important in our nation. it's what drove this nation from no place to the pinnacle of the world, and the highest pinnacle anybody else had ever reached. and it doesn't have anything to do with one's ethnicity. it has to do with the american spirit. somehow we must bring that back. there are those who like to criticize america.

tell us that we're an evil place because we had slavery, because we had japanese internment camps, you know we bombed hiroshima, nagasaki indians. you know, give me a great. every country that's inhabited by human beings has made mistakes. the key is to learn from those mistakes and to move on. and if you say america is not exceptional, then you're living in an all theultimate existence. before this country came along, people did things the same way. within 200 years of this country, men were walking on the moon. >> we accomplished quite a bit. you clearly have a can-do attitude. people look at you and say he's not a politician not a military commander, not a business guy. so how does a doctor run the united states of america? >> well you know a lot of people think that the only experience you can have is political experience but the fact of the matter is i've had a tremendous amount of

experience in doing complex things. and in working with a lot of different people to do complex things. i've had a lot of experience in the business world. you know i've been on the kellogg board for 18 years, costco board for 16 years, as well as a number of other boards. started a non-profit. my wife and i. you know as you know nine out of ten non-profits fail. ours not only didn't fail it's active in all 50 states. won a couple of big national awards. we don't do it for the awards. we do it for the effect it has on young people. we put in reading rooms all over the country, particularly in title 1 schools where kids come from homes with no books, they go to a school with no library, they don't learn how to read. >> that's something you admit you don't know much about and you're studying inging up on it why should the country in this day and age trust foreign policy to a self-admitted novice on the issue? >> well i've learned an enormous amount of foreign policy in the last few months so

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being loyal to a party or to a man and use your brain to think for yourself. >> that was dr. ben carson earlier this week announcing his candidacy for president and urging voters to think for themselves. earlier we asked some of those voters if they had any questions for dr. carson and we have a couple of those. but first, i want to ask you about baltimore where you lived for so long. earlier marc thiessen said baltimore doesn't have a racism problem, it has a liberalism problem. what are your thoughts on that? >> well baltimore like so many other big cities have been the victim of errant thinking. you know it really kind of started back in the '60s with the great society programs and the war on poverty. and a lot of money was thrown at these things without really thinking it through. and the result has not been very good. you know we have huge

. . . . . consequences because that woman usually stops her education and the kids you know grew up in poverty. so we need to stop for a moment and ask ourselves how do we get out of these situations? what has worked? we know that throwing money at it, federal programs has not worked but when i go around the country, i speak at a lot of places where there are community-based programs for business industry wall street academia at churches. get involved on a personal level with people. >> right. >> and those are the ones that actually bring people out of poverty. >> let's talk -- >> it benefits all of us as a society. >> let's talk about big government for a second because you told me once of my show that you believe that president obama pushed obamacare because he -- he believes in vladimir lennon's principle to rule the people you must first control them.

you said a couple things like that in which has some thinking you sound conspiratorial and even i heard the word paranoid. i mean, to that charge you say what? >> to that charge i say go read it for yourself. go read the writings yourself. and, you know, i didn't make the stuff up. you can go and read it yourself. i think that's the best way to handle it. >> all right. i want to get to one of my viewer viewers' questions. this is michael conrad. he submitted this question via twitter. he has a question for you about free speech. >> richard fowler was on "the kelly file" last night and caused quite the stir on social media today when talking about the texas muhammad cartoon contest. he said freedom of speech comes with limits and this is a clear limit. what is your position on freedom of speech? >> well freedom of speech was hard fought for in this country, and there's no way that we should ever allow the first amendment to be compromised. obviously we need to try to be

civil to each other. we need to respect what other people say and what other people do. but we must protect that with every fiber in our body. and when somebody says no, you may not say that because if you do there's going to be terrorist acts against you, our government needs to come out and fight that with everything available. >> uh-huh. and on the question of civility one area in which you've made some self-admitted gaffes has been on the question of gays and you suggested most recently that prison may make you gay because you go into prison straight and some come out gay. no excuses following your principle. how could you have said that? >> well you know i really don't know that that is the big issue. we could get into a very long discussion about the causes of

homosexuality. it's a much longer discussion than can be had in a sound bite type of interview. but the fact of the matter is that the things that i say that have caused people pain it's not for the purpose of causing pain and that's something that i have learned. you don't really hear me saying a lot of those kinds of things anymore because people can't really hear your message because they're so upset about the words that were used. so i've learned that. >> and you are admittedly not a seasoned politician which some people like and other people may not. i want to get to this question from matthew lacourt who submitted this to us. watch. >> i'm interested in both economic freedom and social freedom. what can you say to millennials like me with libertarian leanings on why we should vote for you in 2016? >> i would say for millennial or young person you should vote for somebody who is looking out for your interests.

$18 trillion-plus national debt and rising definitely not in your interest. you need somebody who has a plan for getting that under control. who recognizes that this country your interest. you need somebody that has a plan for getting that under control who recognizes this country possesses the most powerful engine that anybody may know, but it cannot function when we feed it with a zillion regulations and a tax structure is that thadoes not encourage entrepreneurianism. we need to have a referendum of our whole tax system. >> dr. carson it's great to see you. how is your mom doing? >> you know she stopped eating and drinking. but, you know we went down there, we saw her, all the boys and their wives were able to come. my wife played the violin. she opened her eyes. it was wonderful. >> god bless.

we wish her all the best and thank you for being here on a busy busy and big week for you. >> thank you. we had mike huckabee and ben carson joining "the kelley nile." next, what it all means for 2016. the beautiful sound of customers making the most of their united flight. power, wi-fi and streaming entertainment. that's... seize the journey friendly.

fiorina, huckabee and now carson all in this week. chris has some thoughts on that. chris, what do you think? >> i think you've had a busy week. i have noticed that. i also think ben carson had a wonderful story to tell tonight. >> amazing. >> very a amazing. i didn't know it. you brought it out in him and it was quite good. but he's in a very crowded space. it's crowded over where he's running for president. you've got huckabee you've got

ted cruz, you've got rick santorum and you've got carson himself now. and they're all vying for pretty much the same votes. rand paul soefr thereis over there, too, but this is the tea party evangelical, those folks on that side of the party. they're looking for a champion. they're looking for someone who is a true believer and going to stand by their beliefs and that means it's not going to be easy. if you like huckabee, it's going to be hard for paul or cruz or whoever to switch. >> they'll all be dedicated to bush or to walker? >> that's exactly it. the way to think about it is there's three lanes. there's the right lane over here. that's got dr. carson and others, cruz is probably the front runner but it's tight. then you have walker and rubio as the center right. they're the arguably more electable choices to be the one

who takes on jeb bush in the final round. because jeb bush has no opposition as the establishment candidate, and he's going to have enough money to burn a white elephant. >> quickly, when do you think we're going to hear from jeb bush? >> tick tick tick, tick tick tick, tick. soon. probably very soon. i bet it's this month, and i bet we're counting maybe in days not weeks. >> we'll find out. krils chris, great to see you. >> good to see you, too. >> we'll be right back. don't go away. be a morning person again with aleve pm. thank you for being a sailor, and my daddy. thank you mom, for protecting my future. thank you for being my hero and my dad. military families are thankful for many things.

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if you'd like to see our free speech segment, you can go to facebook at "the kelly file." tomorrow night set your dvr. dr. kilmead is back. can't wait for that. i'm megan kelly. this is "the kelly file." tonight, in the name of islam, isis is now calling for pam geller's head. >> we will not abridge our freedom of speech in order to not offend savages. >> she's here to react to these death threats and will go one on one with chaderay. and looting and destroyed