to continue to follow this. keep it here because there's also a lot of other breaking news happening throughout the day. >> absolutely. throughout the day, there will be briefings by the ntsb and amtrak as well. keep it on fox. in the meantime we'll see you back here on the couch tomorrow. thanks for watching. bill: good morning a horrifying scene in philadelphia as our coverage continues on america's newsroom. six people dead, 140 injured after a train crash on the busiest train line in north america. >> crawl forward sir. keep crawling. bill: those are survivors and victims coming together to help each other. i'm bill hemmer. welcome to "america's newsroom." martha: the firefighters and rescue cruises are searching

inside this mangled wreckage. this was a heavily traveled train from philadelphia to new york. >> it's a disastrous mess. i have never seen anything like this in my life. we have train cars on their side ripped apart. it's a devastating scene. bill: moments after impact the luggage and laptops and passenger on board all went flying together. >> it rolled over, then it rolled back, and then it stopped. but by that time the windows and everything was up in the air. the car was filling up with smoke and they was just trying to get us out of there the people that wasn't hurt and could move.

you could see the sparks. but everybody said the car was going to explode. but they got us out of there. >> reporter: how did this happen? federal investigators trying to determine the exact cause as we continue our team fox coverage. rick leventhal is live on scene as he has been all night in philadelphia. what are you learning on scene? >> reporter: bill, you can see some of the hundreds of police officers and firefighters behind me close to the tracks where this accident occurred. one man who lives in this neighborhood and was home last night said it sounded like shopping carts hitting each other then there was screaming and chaos. 120 firefighters and 2. >> 0 police officers and 18

medical -- 20 police officers and 18 medical units responded to the scene. it was believed to be near full speed according to passengers who said it felt like somebody slammed on the brakes as the car approached the curve. then the car started shaking and the train tumbled over on its side. most of the passengers were able to get out on their own. but many had to be pulled out bloody, with broken bones or worse. amtrak suspended service between philadelphia and new york. the busy northeast corridor could be impacted for quite some time. the ntsb's go team is on site trying to figure out what happened and why. bill: the train left the station

10 minutes earlier. if so do we have any indication what speed the train would have hit that turn? >> reporter: i just spoke to a guy on the train who has ridden it's times says he felt like it was going 50 to 60 miles an hour. passengers said it felt like the train was at full speed at the time. there is a curve here. it's not clear if that was too fast for this curve. bill: reports of some unaccounted for. what can you tell us. >> reporter: one local media outlet is reporting up to a dozen people are unaccounted for. but we aren't reporting it because we haven't heard it. there is some question about

whether there are any passengers still unaccounted for and that's something we are looking at right now. >> reporter: rick leventhal reporting on scene in philadelphia. martha: we are getting brand-new images in the moments after the derailment. some of the photos are graphic. victims can be seen inside the cafe car. people walk around, they go into the cafe car as they were doing when this happened. former congressman patrick murphy was on board. he took these pictures. the iraq war veteran was describing a scene total chaos as victims were fighting to get out. > they went this way and other way, then it was just dark and stuffy and just a lot of blood.

human nature kicked in. there were people who didn't care about anyone else, they were getting off that train. pushed out the emergency window. i had to lift people out. 8 or 9 people got out. martha: murphy says he was thrown to the other side of the rain car. >> the victim died of severe chest injuries overnight and 144 others taken to hospital. at least six critically injured. here is the chief medical officer from temple university hospital earlier this morning. >> patients waiting to talk to me were those in the last cars. i didn't speak to anyone further ahead in the train. but they said it was chaotic and difficult. and the folks i talked to were injured because people fell on them or things fell on them in

the train. all the people awake and talking to me were in the last two cars. >> we'll get more from the hospitals in philadelphia. bill: rudolf giuliani was impressed with how well they were prepared. martha: the cause is the next thing people will try to figure out. a team of investigators from the ntsb is on their way to the site. they will try to pull apart the forensics of the motion of this train. doug mcelway is on the scene. we know the go team has been dispatched to this accident scene. >> reporter: they have got to tiewcts engineer. if he's capable of talk they need to do that right away. he may be able to pans straight

away what caused this -- he maybe able to answer straight away what cause this trash and take a urinalysis. i have rid in the engineering cab of the amtrak train. if at any time the engineer takes his handoff that switch. the train will alert him. if he's asleep the train kills power and comes to a stop. they also need to investigate the train's events recorder. this will offer key information on what caused the crash. >> it will give information about braking throttle position speed any information they can get from those recorders will help them piece the information together. >> reporter: investigators will be able to tell if that train was speeding around the curb. i understand the speed of that

train on the curve was 50 miles an hour. the commuter train in new york the events recorder showed the train was going 80 miles an hour where the speed dropped to 30 miles an hour. in that case the engineer admitted to falling asleep. martha: there is a stowtion adopt positive control. >> reporter: it's already in effect in amtrak's northeast corridor. railroads are struggling to meet as congressionally mandated deadline. it automatically controls or brakes a train if it's exceeding the speed limit. we are trying to find out if this engineer had positive train control that was working properly. if it was working properly it

would point to some other cause such as a broken wheel or axle or a switching problem. we just don't know at this point. martha: we have a news conference coming you have as well. thank you very much. last night's derailment happened at the site of a previous railway disaster. 1943. same trip, washington up to new york crashed killing 79 people and injuring 100 others. more recently six people were killed in february when a metro north train hit a jeep in west chester, new york. and two years ago 2013, four people were killed and 60 were hurt when a train derailed in the bronx. that accident was caused by speeding which is an issue in many of these situations. bill: last night leaving

washington d.c., this train 188 bound for new york city, stopped in philadelphia which it always does. and 10 minutes after leaving the station in philadelphia as we go in on the map we can show you the course for this track and the in10ed course or direction for this train. here is the track line. the fringeford junction. this is where the train is resting. at 9:23 last night this train accident occurred. this is a short way from the location you talked about going back 73 years to that disaster to the west. so today as we just talked with rick leventhal,. >> are still unaccounted for. was it the speed a distraction a fault with the train or a fault with the track.

rudy giuliani said he was up to 2:00 in the morning. he was interested in the disaster response. he says from everything he heard those first responders save edlives. when the hospitals were full they went to the next hospital down the line. they knew what they were doing. martha: people on the train and nearby jumped in as well. lots more to come in and fears are growing on another big story after a u.s. military chopper on a rescue mission in nepal goes missing. we have new details on that story coming up. bill: hillary clinton shunning questions from reporters. another controversy he morning about the clinton foundation. martha: we have continuing coverage on the tragedy on the tracks. we'll talk to somebody who was on the train last night killing

six people that we know so far. >> i can seat blood on people's faces, they can't move. their knees were out. i try to do my best to help people get out of that car because it was smoking.

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hospital. we have federal investigators on the scene. they are trying to figure out what happened in this accident. in just a couple minutes we'll speak to a passenger who was on the train and will describe his eye witness account of what he saw. bill: a month into her campaign hillary clinton has taken a total of eight questions from reporters that she mostly does not answer. the clinton foundation is still take money from foreign donors despite a plea to stop that move. she said she would stop apparently it has not happened, and you have a problem. >> she has to stand up and

answer to the press. i agreed with bill o'reilly. the f.b.i. need to look into the fact of whether there was a conflict of interest. >> even the appearance of impropriety for someone who held high office, whose husband is a former president. any candidate no matter who they are republican or democrat, must have their business affairs looked at not only by the public but also by authorities if necessary. >> i would like to see her cleared, but i would like to see transparency. bill: morocco put a million bucks toward the foundation. it doesn't end. it's bold.

is that acceptable? >> no. that's why we have got to get answers. >> the rules apply to everybody but them. the fact that she is being protected from the press by her staff and seasoning surrogates out to answer questions when you are the on one out there you need to speak up. she can't hide behind the fact that she'll have to answer questions. she has to hold a news conference or answer those questions. bill: but sooner rather than later. >> i think the sooner the better. get this off the plate and focus on the issues. she says she wants a pathway to citizenship. we should be discussing the issues. bill: a poll came out that said the three frontrunners on the

republican side are all within 3 points. >> here is where democrats made their biggest error putting their eggs in one basket. hillary is the only game in town. >> jim webb is talking about runing are. bernie sanders is an important part of the conversation. bill: do you think any of them have traction? >> not yet. but that could change. >> i think once we get to the point where others feel the need to jump in they will jump in. bill: nice to see you on the set in new york. here is martha. martha: outside of philadelphia a tragedy occurred about 9:30 last night.

one of the byest commuter lines in the country detailed, bringing people home from work, back and forth along the eastern corn doer. six people we know of lost their lives in this accident. federal investigators are arriving on that scene as we try to put the pieces together and figure out what happened. bill: why is the president calling out fox news when talking about poverty in america. yes says the media is to blame. >> if you watch fox news on a regular basis. it's a constant menu. they will find folks who make me mad. i don't know where they find them.

bill: back to philadelphia, six

dead more than 140 injured and those numbers have changed throughout the morning. we are awaiting briefing from the ntsb. the city's mayor will appear and talk to reporters as well. that should be a good source of information what they know now and what the numbers are like for the wounded. we'll get you back to philadelphia and that breaking news story. >> president obama takes aim at the media blaming the media for promoting a bad public perception of poverty. he was at georgetown university, the president accused the media in particular fox news for suggesting the core are unwilling to work. >> if if you watch fox news on a regular basis it's a constant menu. they will find folks who make me

mad. i don't know where they find them. i don't want to work, i just want a free obama phone or whatever. and that becomes an entire narrative. martha: joining us is fox business network stuart varney. we did a segment yesterday talking about tackling the hardish use of poverty and whether government or the private sector is the best way to solve the problem. you want fewer people who need things like foot stamps. that's what you want to do. >> reporter: in my opinion the president is spinning his own policy failures. as the middle class shrinks and the poor are trapped he blamed us the messengers. look at obama phones. this ways he picked out. we are not saying the recipients

of food stamp muchs are bad people or lazy. our story is why is it after six years of recovery 12 million more people are on food stamp muchs after six years of recovery. why is that? on obama phones, where are we giving away 13 million obama phones? martha: why are we? >> reporter: the reason officially given is you need a job to get a job. therefore give you a phone so you can get a job. that's a poor rationale for 13 million cell phones given out by the federal government. i think the president's policies have failed. the middle class is shrinking and the poor are trapped in this so-called safety net. the president doesn't want to recognize a so-called policy failure. he says we are demonizing the poor. i don't think we are. martha: i remember there was a

big effort to make sure people westerly aware of the food stamps program was there not? the number of people has grown considerably. the message was not how can we get you off of food stamp muchs. how can we be sure you and your family do not need food stamps. you have need to come into this program. >> reporter: we are here for you have, we'll give you this. i have said to you this is a couple years ago. i remember saying this is an attempt to buy votes right before an election. you have say look at all the goodies we have available. vote for me and the goodies keep on flowing. that was my interpretation of the ads that said come on in, we have a program and we'll give it to you. you want to have people who are off of these programs. and that needs to be the goal. what is the best solution. >> reporter: we want to restore prosperity.

we want to raise everybody up, raise the prosperity level. martha: for anybody who does watch fox on a regular basis we'll be quite familiar with that. bill: we'll talk to a passenger about the moments before the accidents in philadelphia. martha: caught on tape, a terrifying home invasion in california. two men with weapons roaming a house while a family fears for their lives. >> they came in through here and they start entering here. it was not locked it was just shut. er than before you know what he can do? let's see if he's ready. he can swim with the sharks! book your next stay at lq.com!

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train crash in philadelphia. survivors began crawling out of the cars to assess the damage and get out. you look down and the car is like -- i made the decision to document third. the second car you don't see anybody coming out. the first car is just crumpled. people covered in blood on gurneys. you just feel thankful you weren't in those cars. martha: we have jeremy with us who was a passenger on that train. where were you sitting and what was your experience? >> i was on the last car of the train in the middle on the right side or the east side of the train. i take the train every week for business reasons.

and i just walked. i get and get some exercise. i just walked the full length of the train from f front to back. i sat back down and a few minutes later i was talking to a friend across the aisle and the train started shaking. it happened so slowly, you didn't even have time to think about it. martha: was it a violent shaking? >> right off the bat and a boom. martha: did it feel like the train was going very fast. >> it seemed like it was going fast but most of the time they seem like they are going fast. i couldn't tell you fit seemed like it was going faster than normal. it started shake and started to tip, and you didn't know if you were going to tip over. by the time i braced myself it was too late. laptops were flying, people

bags knapsacks shoes. i was stuck under the tray on the seat and there was a guy who had fallen on me. there were two women catapulted into the luggage racks. martha: you were in the very last car and that's how violent it felt. the first two cars, the quiet car and first class car which you said you just walked up to. you walk up and down them over the course of the trip. but those fronts two cars are of the greatest concern. >> reporter: the first car i walked all the way to first class. martha: was it crowd up there? >> it was empty there was 8 10 people in there that was a

blessing. i understand the train engine and the first car were separated and the first car were horrible. juan of the cars were turned the exact opposite way. it was complete chaos. everybody banded together as wonderfully as you can imagine. i got off and tried to help other people. i left my scooter on the train in the luggage rack because i knew of i wanted to see if i could help people. there was a guy who identified himself as a police officer. he was directing people. he was a nice guy trying to help everybody out. we were trying to help some people. it was chaos and the responders tree responded quickly. they cut fences. martha: how long was it before there were people on the scene rescuing people. >> i would say 5 to 10 minutes.

we were getting off and trying to help each other. martha: i'm sure the time is moving slowly, it's so scary. >> there were two football fields that separated us from streets. there was a fence they had to cut down with the saw and there were electrical wires damaging and people were afraid they were going to touch the tracks. they were saying don't touch anything metal. it calls complete chaos. >> did you see smoke? >> you smelled burning rubber and you saw -- people -- there was some smoke but it wasn't this billowing fire or anything to that nature. martha: you weren't afraid something was going to blow or the fire might start. >> it can all go through your head. but you don't know what to do. some people saying don't get off the train it's not safe. we are some of the first people off the train. >> how did you get off the

train? >> the back exit door of our train was able to open and the next car fed through there eventually. we went to help people in the car but the door was on open this far so it would have been hard for people to get through it so they were able to walk all the way in the back. >> and you say you ride this train all the time. >> we have one in fork so i'm there for that. we have another restaurant called fuel pizza. i have been on that train many times. i was scheduled to be on the excel before and i switched to that one. martha: the regional, a little bit longer trip but you were on that one. we are glad you are okay and thanks for telling us the story. good luck with your project and restaurants. a tough day for you. >> much more tough for a lot of people. i'm very lucky. thoughts and prayers.

bill: a california couple in shock after a violent home invasion. surveillance video showing men with knives breaking into a home with knives. two women and a baby lied inside a locked bathroom. what a terrifying experience it was for this family. >> reporter: take a look at the video. you see these two young-looking burglars. they get in through a door that was unlocked. you then see them in the kitchen. they took two knives out of that kitchen, they unplugged a phone and then they start heading upstairs. they seem to be look around upstairs. at one point they appear to hear noise from the master bedroom and they start trying to kick in that door. a 1-year-old baby behind that door being looked after by the

mom's sister and mother. you can imagine the terror they felt. bill: what about the parents of the baby, clearly relief. >> a lot of relief. they are still scared as well. the relief obviously of the courage of those two women. the mom's sister and her mother hanging on to that 1-year-old baby as the burglars try to kick in the door. >> they tried to kick in the door and start to attack them with the knife. the knife was just beside her. and she ran into this bathroom, three of them. >> reporter: the parents are obviously terrified because these two burglars have not yet been caught. if you are wondering why we got

so much video of that bates' the second time that house has been burglarized. after the first time the couple installed six security cameras. the hope is with those burglars caught on tape, police will be able to find them pretty quickly. martha: the white house is kicking off its persian gulf summit tonight assuming everything is fine on this. despite the fact that several leaders said they will not attend. what does it say about the president and the state of the relationship that he has with the countries that are supposed to be part of this big summit. we'll talk about it. bill: tom brady accused of cheating. deflategate has given brady a boost. >> i understand the league's view of this and the deceit involved in the insinuation of cheating. and i don't think by any stretch

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bill: there is an iranian official warning that if there is an attempt to block this cargo ship head for yemen will spark a fire. we are also hearing that apparently there are reporters on board this iranian ship which would seem to suggest that tehran is getting ready in case somebody tries to stop that ship. what is your impression of that? >> remember we faced something similar about a week or 10 days ago when an iranian flotilla probably with equipment aid arms perhaps for the houthi rebels in yemen turned back in the face of the u.s. carrier

group. i think the iranians continue to see weakness on the part of the gulf arabs and the united states. they are testing. they are going to see what's here. bill: you are probably right about that. four out of six won't attend the summit today. i agree with the white house it's not a snub for these four monarchs not to show, it's a slap in the face. it's unprecedented in my experience for the president of the united states asks six friendly countries to come together to talk about key issues of concern the iranian nuclear program isis and syria and yenl and for four of them to say we have better thing to do. i think the ayatollahs look at this disarray and say we are

going to press ahead and see what other advantage we can gain here. bill: sadie arabia pulled out and the dominoes fell. what are they concerned about? >> i think they are principally concerned about the administration's failure in the negotiations with iran on its nuclear program. this deal is not going to stop iran from getting nuclear weapons. this is a rare moment agreement where key arab states are 100% in sync with israel that iran is on the path to nuclear weapons. i think the saudis will have already launched their own efforts to get nuclear weapons. they want security guarantees from the united states. i'm not sure obama would gift and i'm not sure they would

believe him if he did. bill: not a up? but a slap in the face. >> i think it's unprecedented. bill: ben rhode said we have the right people at the table. >> this could have been king salman's first trip to the united states. it could have been significant for the relationship. many issues could have been discussed. it's a signal of complete dissatisfied faction with the united states. bill: you know these countries rely on the united states for a lot. it's not as though the relationships will be cut off overnight. >> they are doing something within their limits to do, to show the political displeasure. when people critique the deal

under negotiation. it's not just obama's critics in the use the who thinks he's failing. three other monarchs facing iran across the gulf there right in the region think it's failing. this is as much a condemnation of these negotiations as you can manage. i think that's why juan sees disarray and weakness in the american led coalition. i wouldn't be surprised to they took up the pressure in yemen. torque you have the pressure in bahrain or the eastern province of saudi arabia where there are many shiia arabs living. bill: we have breaking news, thank you mr. ambassador. martha: to philadelphia where we can tell you they are setting up a news conference. the mayor of philadelphia michael nutter who has been on the scene overnight and into

this morning is about to hold a news conference. we are waiting for new information that may have developed about the situation people are in terms of casualties. injuries all of that. we are going to get an update on and any information he may have about what they think may have caused this crash in the very early stages of that part of the investigation as well. we'll take you there live top of the hour, news conference.

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bill: there will be a tbrefght philadelphia mayor michael nutter. he will be at that bank of microphones in 7 minutes at the expected start time for this press conference out of philly. hang on as we get back to that story in a moment. martha: the annual congressional

pig book is out. it's a book hat looks at pork projects and the reckless spenders. one of the projects dplietd this book is the pacific coastal salmon recovery fund which spent $15 million on reversing the decline of shah man in the pacific. $15 million on that one. tom, good to have you here. what's new in this report? what's the trend in terms of earmarks and putting this pork into these bills? >> a ton of progress has been made down to $4.2 billion. that's up from last year, it was only $2.7 billion in 2014. it's still only a few billion versus tens of billions of dollars.

there is a conscious am moratorium but their definition differs but it should be zero. >> progress has been made which is a good sign clearly. when you look at individuals this anyone you think is worth point out in terms of still finding ways to get these earmarks which as you say they won't have to do any more after 2011, who is doing that? >> it already gets $50 million annually. she added $15 million a substantial increase. otherwise there is far less transparency. the way they are doing it now. $25 million for the tree disaster mitigation fund. '. now we don't know exactly where it's going and we would like to know. calling, texting what are they

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martha: we are back. we're waiting to hear from the mayor of philadelphia, mike nutter. he is about to give us an update on last night's deadly train wreck as investigators comb through the wreckage of the amtrak train to figure out why it caused it to fly off the tracks. first class car quiet car. very heavy destruction of those pieces of this train.

so we're still waiting to pet the final word. we do expect we get new details of the mayor of philadelphia who has been very good alerting us and updating the story throughout the evening. he has been very much throughout the scene on the course of this. rudy giuliani said he handled it well overnight. moments away as we welcome you back to hour two of "america's newsroom." i'm marth i'm bill hemmer. one car mangled. three on their sides, three other as twisted mess. amtrak train 188 traveling from washington to new york city along the heavily traveled northeast corridor when it derailed shortly after 9:00 9:23 p.m. the national transportation safety board is on the scene to look for clues on what happened. one passenger describing what her experience was. >> suddenly the car felt like it was taking a wide turn. suddenly, you knew it wasn't just a turn. you could feel the car tipping

over. i was kind of just blackness of like flipping in the dark. not suring where it was going to end up. me being hit by seats people and things. then, we're not sure, you know you're not sure if -- it was moment where i could actually taste the dirt underneath me. we knew we stopped. i felt like, all right, we can deal with this. martha: the head of the association of american railroads about to appear before the house transportation committee at a hearing on rail regulation. a number of accidents, 12 in recent times. so that will be the subject of some of the questioning there. as we bring in john golia a former member of the national transportation safety board. john, thank you for being here this morning. >> thanks for having me. martha: a tough accident we watched unfold overnight. they're still dealing with in philadelphia. your thoughts on what we saw here. >> well, my heart goes out to the families that have lost

family members in this event. it is too early to draw any conclusions but i can tell you that the ntsb will leave no stone unturned in trying to figure out what happened here. they are going to quickly look at the schedule of the operator. they probably already have done that. they will check to see if he had a sell phone if he was on the cell phone on the time of the accident. the signal people at ntsb are looking at the records of the signals and the track people will be out there soon, if not already, looking at the condition of the rails. martha: yeah. so all of those potential factors that you talk about we've seen in some recent accidents that speed was an issue. we remember the spain train crash in 2013 where the cell phone was indeed an issue. you mentioned that. as something that they will be checking into as part of this investigation. the rails also potentially a problem. when you look at the way that this came off of the tracks, and

sort of spread out into that open area to the right-hand side of the tracks, does speed look like it may have been a factor here or you just can't say, john? >> well the speed limit was 50 miles an hour into that turn. so the way the cars are scattered doesn't surprise me because of that speed. if it was faster, we probably would have seen more cars involved, more cot trafficly than they are. so that's a guess on my part but it is really too early to tell if speed was a factor since it's a fairly high speed curve 50 miles an hour. is not exactly slow. so we got some work to do. martha: we're just looking at the seen on the right-hand side where we see the cars laying over on their sides. and the two front cars, john appear to have taken the brunt of the damage. they are very mange felled. thankfully we spoke to one passenger on the train this morning.

he just walked through that car. according to his eyewitness account he said there weren't many people in that first class car, maybe 10. we know we have six casualties that we have reported at this point. but obviously those first two cars seemed to have born the brunt of the force here? >> well it depends where the derailment was. initially i would say that the derailment was right there at the front of the train. it could have been the locomotive that cause ad problem with the tracks or it could have been the first car, that jumped, the wheels jumped track. the geometry for track and wheel contact is rather complicated. the track condition is a checked virtually every day by the railroads. so, and the conditional of the wheels are checked periodically. martha: how do they do that? do they do that before they leave? is that a visual inspection? is it something that is done --

how do they do that? >> yes, it's a visual inspection of the train and it is not done on every trip. it's a visual inspection on the rolling portion of the railcars and the locomotives as well. there are people that walked tracks, railroad employees that walk the track on regular schedule to look at the condition of the tracks and ties and the ground that the tracks rest upon. it is a very orderly process. over the years we've had the high-speed train from boston to washington, those inspections have actually increased to make sure that we don't have these kinds of problems on that track. so we, and those records are kept. not just somebody walking the track and not doing anything. they have actual detailed records that will be kept of those inspections so that those will be available to the ntsb to take a look. martha: they will need all the information they can get in this situation. john, thank you very much, sir. good to have you with us today. >> thank you. bill: as we await the mayor,

michael nutter, he will be up in a few moments. as we do that rick leventhal live near the scene. rick, we spoke last hour. we bring you back now. what's changed in past 60 minutes there? >> reporter: bill, mayor nut per was originally giving the briefing at 11:00 a.m. his office pushed it up to 10:00 a.m. he is not here yet. we hope he answers some key questions, including whether all the passengers have in fact been accounted for. we've seen a steady flow of police, firefighters, amtrak and other city officials in and out of staging area behind us which is next to the tracks and very close to where the accident occurred. ntsb investigators are on-site. we believe they have begun the process of documenting the accident scene and labeling some of the evidence there. crains were brought in at some point. they will begin moving the cars and debris literally the from the area and tracks service restored. at least eight are still in

critical condition. at least six people did not survive the accident last night which happened just before 9:30 as the train hit a curve here, roughly ten minutes after leaving the east 30th street station. as you know all seven cars left the rails, including the engine. three of them flipping on their side. we heard from temple university hospital's chief medical officer who said the people that fared the best were in the rear of the train. bill: rick, quickly. some trains have been brought in as you reported down there. some lights have been set up in case this investigation, likely goes into nighttime later tonight. have you seen any of that from your perspective? >> reporter: we can't, bill as you know they pushed us back. they pushed all the cameras back quite a distance from the accident scene to give the guys room to do the job they need to do. bill: rick, standby. we'll wait for the mayor along with you in philly. rick leventhal on the scene. judge andrew napolitano with me in the studio to talk about liability.

what is it for amtrak. >> amtrak is liable. a lot of times you get injured on government property you can't sue the government. amtrak is an exception. congress provided amtrak is liable for injury to property and human beings as a result of derailment. in fact in the case of a derailment, the injured people don't have to prove amtrak was negligent. amtrak under the law is presumed negligent. that makes the case a lot easier. that is the good news, the bad news is there is a cap, a maximum per accident. it seems like a lot of money. it is $200 million, but it can very, very quickly be run through when you have six deaths and 150 injuries. bill: $200 million? >> correct. bill: that is a lot of money. >> well, it will easily be run through in an accident like this because it has to account for attorneys fees. it has to account for property damage. it has to account for compensation to the estates of people who lost their loved ones on basis of the income earning capacity of the people who died.

and has to account for medical bills and personal injury. all of that comes out of the 200 million. so as a practical matter, there will be no trial. a federal judge will appoint a special master. the special master will decide how to divide up the $200 million. bill: like arbitration or arbiter, right? to creek. >> correct. the special master's report goes to the federal judge and the federal judge will approve it. the idea of hiring a lawyer and argue a case before a jury to show how catastrophically you're injured from this and injury is permanent is not going to happen. it will be a conference with a special master who will review medical reports and will have to make this awful decision. i would like to give you 10 million, for example but i only have five million for you. bill: it will take time too. >> yes. bill: months, if not years. >> probably three to four years. bill: judge, airplanes have

seatbelts. buses do not. trains do not. >> very, very serious issue. congress authorized amtrak to exempt itself from compliance with state seatbelt laws. every state that the train goes through. bill i ride that train almost every thursday. i spend many thursdays as you know with our colleagues in d.c. every state, new york, new jersey, pennsylvania, delaware maryland, d.c. itself has a mandatory seatbelt law. congress permitted amtrak to exempt itself from the state seatbelt laws and immunized amtrak for making that decision. meaning you can not sue amtrak for failure to install seatbelts. bill: fascinating stuff. judge, thank you. >> you're welcome. bill: waiting on the mayor. thank you for coming in today. >> you're welcome. bill: the legal aspect will be decided much further down the road. meantime we await the mayor martha in philadelphia. martha: indeed we do. there will be lots of questions for mayor michael nutter.

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medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. bill: as promised, the philadelphia mayor is there. this is michael nutter. the news conference is about to begin. questions about train 188 northeast regional leaving washington, d.c. bound for

new york city. shortly after making a stopover in philadelphia as planned. it was ten minutes when the witnesses described the train decelerating like someone had slammed on the brakes. here is the mayor, mike nutter. >> there is preliminary information. this is an ongoing investigation. there are some things we know. there are things we do not know at this time and we will not speculate on any of those things as you all know. first let me introduce to you a few partners who are here with us now. as i mentioned to you earlier this morning we were anticipating the arrival of the national transportation safety board. their members are on the ground now in, board member, robert zumwatl, i'm sorry, and vice-chair person densar. for amtrak, board chairman,

anthony kosha. amtrak vp of operations, d.j. stadler. chief of amtrak police, chief hanson. and deputy chief troutman. on the ntsb side they have approximately seven personnel on the ground with more personnel coming. they are represented in the form of investigator in charge, a chief of railroad division. that would be mike flanagan and george gregory respectively. mechanical investigator, signal investigator, track investigator operations investigator and human performance investigator. we have full cooperation from all of the agencies of course who were here last night. philadelphia fire department, police department department of homeland security within the police department and other federal agencies working with us separate at that -- separate at that police as well as well as other agencies -- septa everyone

understands their role. we train for these kinds of incidents although everyone of these incidents, and this is a tragedy, are very different. again from last night we can only confirm, that unfortunately we have six deceased. we have transported now hundreds of people to various hospitals. sam phelps can give you more details in that regard. we also need to get out information about how people can contact or find out about any of the individuals who were on the train and to the extent that we have information about them, obviously, they will get that information as well. sam phillips will come up and give you some of that information. then you will hear from ntsb, their representative as well as amtrak. we'll come back with any wrap-up information, open up to questions. we'll answer what we can answer. everything still at this point 12 plus hours into this tragic event is still preliminary

information and subject to change. with that, sam phillips director of emergency management for the city of fill definitely. sam? >> thanks mayor. there are a few things i want to go over. our focus today is to gather all the patient data that we have. we're dealing with lots of different types of manifests. one from the railroad and also from our hospital community. our hospitals treated over 200 patients last night and this morning. we are in the process of making sure that everybody is accounted for. so we have a couple of things that we need help with. one, if you are looking for somebody or need information about amtrak's 1-800. 1-800-523-9101. again 1-800-523-9101. if you were on the train and are doing well, please call in and report that to amtrak so that we can link that data together.

we have a friends and relatives center open at 3400 frankfurt avenue. we'll keep that open for the bulk of today but we will eventually be transitioning to a full family assistance center operation that amtrak will be running. that will be located at a hotel in center city. more information will be coming on that. please share information with us so we can do our job making sure everybody is accounted for. thanks. >> thank you, sam. board member sumwalt will speak on behalf of ntsb. bored member. >> mayor, thank you very much. my name is robert sumwalt. i'm a board member with the national transportation safety board and we have had investigators arriving on scene between five between 4:00 and 5:00 this morning. we continued to be arriving from washington throughout the morning. certainly before i go any further i'd like to express our sincere condolences for all of

those who have been affected by this tragedy. our sincere condolences and thoughts and prayers go out to all of toem. as mayor nutter said we brought a multidisciplinary team in here that will be covering a number of issues. we're looking at the track the train signals, the operation of the train mechanical condition of the train, human performance. we are setting up a multidisciplinary investigation to try and understand the factors that led to this accident. in addition, we have brought in experts from the ntsb office of transportation disaster assistance who will be assisting those family members who have been affected by this tragedy. we will be holding an organizational meeting at noon today. that is where we established parties to the investigation and establish our investigative protocols and i can tell you

that the federal railroad administration will be a part of our investigation. we will work very closely with them. we will work closely with amtrak as well as the city of philadelphia. we will be providing, my goal is to provide you with factual information as we have it. we do plan to be able to hold a press briefing later this afternoon. i would encourage you to follow us at twitter. our handle is,@ntsb. my goal is to provide with you fact wall information as we learn it. as mayor nutter said we will not be speculating while we're here. we have a lot of work that needs to be done but we will provide you information as we learn it. i would like to to thank all of the first-responders. i can tell you first-hand we do have a good relationship with the mayor's office. we worked with mayor nutter's office in philadelphia, in a duck boat accident that occurred

in july of 2010. we've got a good working relationship. we appreciate all the courtesies and assistance that you're providing. so i will step aside back to mayor nutter. thank you. >> additionally as the board member indicated because of the great work of the philadelphia fire department, jessie wilson is in command, the fire department is in charge of this scene as well as support from the philadelphia police department, working with ntsb, the, whatever is comparable as we know it, often referred to as a black box, that has been recovered. it is now in the amtrak operations center in delaware for analysis. we have no information from that particular device at all because it is currently being analyzed by the experts. now we'll hear from amtrak board member and board chairman anthony kosha.

>> thank you mayor. let me first start by saying how deeply saddened we all are at amtrak for the loss of life that occurred on train 188 in north philadelphia last evening. we, our first and major priority will be our customers and our employees who have been affected by this tragedy. we have established an 800 number which i know has been mentioned. we're in the process of standing up a family assistance center here in philadelphia. a thorough investigation will take place of the incident led by nstb. amtrak will do everything in its power to assist in that investigation and has brought every resource in the company's ability to support that effort. this is the amtrak family. we are very saddam hussein by what's occurred and we'll do everything in our power to work with the mayor's office the ntsb and all authorities to do everything possible dealing with this tragedy. thank you. >> sir -- [inaudible]

>> c o, s, c i, a. thank you. >> i think as you can see, given the level of representation, i want to first and foremost thank the ntsb sending a board member here which i know of course is part of their standard protocol. they have arrived, in tremendously timely fashion. having a board chair and other personnel, but the board chairman of amtrak on scene again demonstrates the level of concern and commitment that amtrak is demonstrating as well as ntsb. all of our other partners who are here on site again the level of coordination here is superior and we will continue to do all that we can until we are assured we have accounted for all of the people we believe were on that train. with all those members having spoken, lastly, on behalf of the entire city of philadelphia, and other individuals that i talked

to or have communicated with, mayor muriel bowser in washington d.c. who i talked to last night potential of washington, d.c. residents being on that train, certainly possible as it was a washington started train to new york city as well as communicated with mayor bill de blasio in new york city as well since that was a termination point with expectation there would have been new york city residents as well. on behalf of the million 1/2 people here in the city of philadelphia we express our deepest sorrow. we will do everything we can to assist families who have loved ones on that particular train, in whatever their circumstance and condition but certainly with the six confirmed deceased we are heartbroken at what has happened here. we've not experienced anything

like this in modern times. we will get to the bottom of it and figure out what happened, why it happened. but that will take some time. with that, we would be glad to try to answer any questions that you might have. >> how many are unaccounted for right now? >> anyone still missing? >> let me just give you an additional piece of information. governor wolf as many you well know was here last night ordered state flags to be flown at half-mast. i issued a similar order for city of philadelphia flags as well in respect to the victims. >> excuse me. has the search of the train cars, at this point been completed or is that still in the process as you're trying -- >> still in process. i was just at the site ten minutes ago. >> how many passengers are unaccounted for? >> we don't have an accurate count on that and i'm not in the position to get into those

details. >> cnn you are still not you still do not have everyone accounted for. you said 12 plus hours later. preliminary investigation you about what are you hearing are there still people unaccounted for? you still don't have everyone accounted for? >> we have not completely matched the manifest we received from amtrak with the patient or hospital information that hospitals assigned personnel to our emergency operations center last night. that is a very tedious process, dealing with individuals many of whom obviously we have no idea who they are until they self-identify. we very well could have also had people who did not even check in with us. there is also the possibility that some people who were supposed to be on that train as any of us always know, some people just miss their train or end up taking a different train or something like that. so we're not going to get into the hard specifics who do we

have, who do we not have until we know for sure. again we have to be sensitive we have to be sensitive to people who may have had a family member on their train. i will come back over. >> can you confirm four bodies were removed from the wreckage and that responders are working with get one more out of there? >> what i can confirm is what i confirmed earlier. we know unfortunately that there six deceased. i'm not going to get into where they were where they were transported. our medical examiner has given us information. we have unfortunately six deceased. i heard a voice over here. >> -- interviewed yet? >> as best information that i know the doctor was injured to some extent. received medical treatment and he is either has or is giving a statement or report to the philadelphia police department. i have no further information about the conductor or any amtrak personnel.

>> mr. sumwalt from the ntsb is there anything you can give us preliminary investigation, preliminarily could have gone wrong? was there a problem going into that curve? >> thank you. the question is do we have any preliminary information about how that curve -- no. just as we have said, we're just getting here. our purpose for being here, on site is to collect perishable evidence that information that will go away with passage of time. we'll very methodically collect information. what was the train speed? what was the speed limit on that curve? that is part of our investigation to very carefully document that. [all shouting at once] >> what is the so-called black box what will that give you? what information will you have from [inaudible]. >> why don't woe do it this way. mayor's press conference. when you have a question, raise

your hand, state your name and affiliation, once we call on you, that will make it a little more organized. the question is, what can we get from those event recorders? we can get a lot of information. my understanding people already recovered those. they will be read out. we have a forward-facing video camera in the head and the locomotive the front end of the train. we'll be looking at that. the recorders themselves can give you information about the speed of the train, any brake applications, any throttle applications the engineer could have made. it will give us a lot. that will be key for this investigation, a good download of that data which is being conducted, will be done this afternoon. we hope to be able to provide you with information as we get it. >> two last questions, yes. >> can you give us any information about the people who died age ranges?

have their families all been notified? >> i have no information about that all we have again, unfortunately is six confirmed deceased. we are still trying to get information about those individuals. again this is a horrific scene. i need your patience and understanding we're trying to get through that. last question. >> can you just, sir, can you paint a picture of the scene? you're doing an investigation but there is also a rescue, looking for potential victims, a tally can you paint the scene what is going on out there? >> yes the question can we paint a picture what's going on out there? of course it is a devastating scene. there are many first-responders out there that are working. they are carefully examining the equipment, to see if there are any, any if there is anyone else in the, in the railcars. so the, search and recovery

effort will actually take precedence offer our accident investigation. we expect to be able to get in there very soon. but, we have already started doing things like retrieving the recorders and getting the, getting the training records for the crews and thinks like that. just because we haven't gotten a real up close and personal view of the actual we have gone out and examined. we have done a good look-over of the scene but we have not started to very carefully document the wreckage at this point but we will. >> last question. >> there are other -- [inaudible] have you heard any facts or information about what -- [inaudible] >> the question is, do we have any other factual information from any other recorders at this point about what the train was doing and the short answer to that is, no, we do not. we basically i want people to try and understand, we have just gotten here. you have a lot of questions, we have a lot of questions. we intend to answer many of

those questions in the next 24 to 48 hours. thank you. >> the are. thank you all. we'll let you know about any other updates or briefings. certainly the possibility of that we can provide an update later on this afternoon. no guaranty of that. we will keep you as informed as we can, based on factual information, not speculation not supposition. thanks a lot. >> were the all be here? >> we would expect, yes. bill: so it is early as all arrive on the scene there. a few new nuggets of information have been given out. the 800 number on those behalf of amtrak still unaccounted for. no specific reasons given. there could be a variety of factors that could explain that. the ntsb says they treated more than 200 patients at various philadelphia hospitals. that is much higher number than we were given earlier today. the black box is now being analyzes. the conductor survived and as

apparently given a statement or answering questions, possibly both the at moment. what the mayor has said, as i said late last night and overnight again today, philadelphia has never seen anything like this scene before. martha: let's go to rick leventhal. he has been watching this throughout the morning. rick, we just heard from the mayor. we heard from ntsb. we know there are a variety of executives on the ground in terms of amtrak which is also there issuing its own apology and own thoughts and prayers going out to the families of those affected. they also mentioned their employees. we did learn as bill just said that the conductor survived this and apparently is in good enough shape to be talking to the police, right? >> reporter: obviously he is a key witness in this, martha, as well as the black box which has been recovered and taken to delaware for analysis. they expect to get information and evidence from that black box as early as this afternoon. they say they will be sharing that information with us, as they get it. as you also heard the ntsb has seven

investigators on the ground here already, including experts in examining the tracks, the signals, the operations of the train the mechanicals of the train. and human performance and they will begin gathering evidence and documenting what they can. but as you also heard, they're still in a search-and-recovery operation at the accident scene which is behind us. so, there are people that they aren't necessarily sure have been accounted for which is pretty remarkable but maybe not so much when you look at the footage of that accident site. as you may have heard during that news conference they said they have not completely matched the manifest they received from amtrak with the hospital manifests. many of the people who are in the hospital are not in any shape to self-identify themselves. there are also questions who may have missed the train or who may have been on the train they didn't know about they want to be very sure before they start putting names out there who

might be missing or who might be lost in this accident. martha: great points. we're watching some of pictures we have of people being taken off the trains. we remember a doctor we heard from temple hospital, the university hospital this morning. he said most of the patients at temple were dealing with arms and leg, him injuries. but he said, they are the ones who are talking and who are able to come into the hospital and be treated for those lesser injuries. but he said there are a lot of people who can not talk and explain what happened yet who are in critical condition some of them. as you say, we don't know yet who is missing in this case. that continues to be something they have to match up all the names on all of the lists to truly determine for good. rick, thank you very much. go ahead. >> reporter: the sixth person who died today the sixth person who died today, died from massive c injuries. you can, only imagine the horrors that were endured on those train cars as they tumbled

around here last night. martha: tossed around and ripped apart as they explained in that news conference this morning. rick, thank you. we'll see you later. bill: quick analysis, john goal yaw back ntsb investigator. sir, first on the black boxes when do you look at first on the black box? >> the event recorders give us the speed the train was traveling. they will give us manipulation of the controls. essentially you have controls on the right-hand side. the brake, the power settings. all those are going to be recorded. they also mentioned the video recorder, forward-looking video recorder. you can often times get a lot of information on track condition from those videos because it gives you a good shot what the train is etch approaching into. there is a wealth of information that will come off the recorder. the surviving conductor will also be a wealth of information. bill: that's true too. can you solve this mystery with just the information on the black box alone?

>> you can go a long way, i wouldn't say you will solve it just from that. unless it is clearly a case where the conductor was going too fast. if that were the case, then that could solve it but otherwise it is -- bill: it is possible that the conductor knows what happened or knows what went wrong already? >> that's correct. that's correct. his information is going to be critical but they won't take that on face value. let's not jump to conclusions with that. they are going to take what he says and they're going to verify. the old trust by verify that is part of the ntsb's model. you tell me something happened. i will go look to make sure that can prove that something happened. so it may very well be the, you know, set of circumstances where the conductor could be telling the truth and it was the cause but the ntsb will make sure that there is physical evidence or

other evidence to support those conclusions. bill: two more questions here when you look at that turn do you consider speed as the first possibility, or not? >> of course. speed is always the possibility. and, on any turn, any turn, especially that one. it looks to be, it says it's a 50 mile-an-hour turn but from the pictures it looks to be a little steep. in the turn but he is early into it. so i think that, just shooting from the hip making a sort of an educated guess, it may more likely be a rail issue. bill: what about the maintenance records, how significant could they be at this point or in the future? >> of course the train records the wheels, you know you know, people many people don't even consider the complexity of a railroad wheel and the train and the rack the rail. it is a very complicated piece of mechanism. the angles that the wheel is

ground on. the head of the rail itself, the condition of it. has it been hammered, has it cracked? there are some pieces to the contact between the train and the rail that come into play here, that they're very complicated and they're going to take some serious expertise to make sure that they were proper and the ntsb does have that expertise. bill: thank you sir very much. john golio, former investigator with the ntsb helping us with analysis. thanks for being part of our program today. >> thank you for having me. bill: we have a couple more hints here but not a lot in philadelphia. martha: a lot to know and the box and the conductor will be key in that investigation of course. we may get more information as we head into the afternoon. we'll keep you posted as we get developments. in the meantime, isis, clearly according to all of the experts on the rise, in the area across the middle east.

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martha: we are back. as we continue to keep a close eye on the developing situation in philadelphia and the train crash that happened there at the:23 p.m. last night you see wreckage on the right-hand side -- 9:23. we know they found the black box which they call the event recorder. ironically on the left happened side of your screen there is prescheduled ongoing house hearing underway on the issue of the american railroads. chairman bill shoeser, addressing the crash just moments ago. >> obviously it's a horrific accident. as the chairman said something that, you know, we haven't seen

like that in some time. the national transportation safety board is obviously up there looking at it. we certainly don't know why. heard some politicians already come out and say, if we had spent more money is may be the case. we have to take a serious look at that and figure out what happened up there. martha: referring to the discussions of infrastructure that have popped up over the course of the conversations this morning. as he says, we do not know yet, what caused this accident as we wait to find out. more information coming in throughout the day. we'll take you to that live. meantime let's head over to bill on the back set. bill? bill: simmering tensions and several no shows as president obama's arab summit getting underway. the white house is hoping to bridge the gap on iran and nuclear deal. our next guest has a new book, the great war of our time. cia account of versus al qaeda. that is former cia officer, mike

morell. >> good to be here bill. bill: on iran, do you support a nuclear deal with tehran? >> i come after this from a intelligence perspective. what i would tell the president two things. the most important thing of this is transparency and inspection regime. that be as rigorous as possible so we can see what the iranians are doing. the second thing i would be doing putting this in larger context for the president. this is the not only thing that the iranians are doing that is bad behavior right? supporting terrorism. doing terrorism themselves. supporting insurgents in the region. yemen is a great many accident pell of that. there are a lot of things the iranians are doing. bill: you know if you do a nuclear deal you will give tehran a lot of money up front. you don't know what they will do with that. >> more important thing of the money the legitimacy the iranians will get signing any sort of agreement with the united states of america. bill: is this president obsessed with getting a nuclear deal with iran? >> i'm not insid side of his

head the last year-and-a-half. i can't answer that question. the iranian nuclear program is an issue that has to be fixed, right? iran as a whole is issue we have to take on as a country and support our middle eastern allies in the process. bill: isis, you talk about this, write about it at great length. you say we missed it. a lot of people wonder how in the could we miss it. >> yeah. bill: my question is this. in your view and meetings of white house is this a war the president may fight. >> i want to go back and we missed it. i disagree with you. we missed part of it. the part we got right al qaeda in iraq which eventually became isis right? al qaeda in iraq was at its weakest point when the united states left iraq. we saw immediately they began to gain strength. less pressure on them militarily that prime minister maliki was doing things alienating sunnis. we saw the strength and reported on it. when they went across the border

in syria and became isis and got weapons and money and became stronger we reported on that. the part we missed how quickly the iraqi security forces would collapse in the blitzkrieg by isis across iraq. we got much of it right. bill: there are questions how willing they were to fight over the past decade plus. but back to the question, is this a war today that the president is willing to fight in your estimation? >> so i think so right? every interaction i had with the president he did what needed to be done on counterterrorism. counterterrorism operations every day conduct the by this country. some of them started by president bush continued by president obama. he always did the right thing when it came to protecting country in my view. bill: in this country you've taken a lot of questions on this growing threat among lone wolves. >> yes. bill: seems to be something getting a lot of attention but you could make the argument that fort hood was a lone wolf. and times square bomber was lone wolf. >> boston.

bill: boston. the point is, this is not new. why is the administration coming around to this right now. >> we've always been focused on this. fbi has always been focused on this the challenge now is that the problem is bigger. the problem now is isis with its madison avenue style social media reaching a lot of young men and with very slick messaging and is radicalizing many many more people than al qaeda ever did. so the problem is bigger today. not just that the problem came out of nowhere. bill: last question on benghazi. you told greta last night you still believe in the and intelligence suggests that that raid was carried out pause the rioters in benghazi were watching what was happening in cairo. >> so -- bill: the question is this though. what were they watching cairo on? >> so on social media. on twitter right? that's what the folks -- bill: do you have evidence they were on their smartphones in benghazi? watching their iphones or

ipads? >> look what i say in my book, what i say in my book, what i, what i said to greta last night and is exactly what the analysts have said all along right? this is not just michael morrell. this is not just the cia. these are analysts across the intelligence community right? non-partisan non-political, saying here is what we think happened in benghazi. based on what i know i agree with them. bill: they were watching what was happening in cairo? >> that is what analysts said. bill: and reacted? >> and reacted to it. >> terrorists extremists not just protesters bad guys. bill: mike morell, thank you for your time. the book is called "the great war of our time." a great read. >> good to be with you. bill: you as well. martha: back to philadelphia where we now know the conductor survived the crash and answering questions to the police in philadelphia. we know that the black box, the event recorder has been found and we wait for information to come out on that.

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martha: more on the philadelphia train derailment story now. the accident causing huge problems for travel as well up and down the east coast as you would imagine. laura engle joins us live from the port authority bus terminal in new york city where no doubt a lot of people flowed into that area to use buses instead. laura how does it look over there? >> reporter: hey, martha. as most people know traveling by bus is one of the cheaper ways to get to point a to point b, with last night's train derailment many travelers came here to new york's port authority. one woman we spoke to inside of terminal an hour, she came to

grab a ticket on greyhound to washington d.c. because fly sive. 200000 people pass through the bus terminal every weekday. that number expected to rise over next few days as travelers here in the port authority and new york's penn station look to get their northeast destination another way. >> supposed to go to philadelphia but our train got canceled. now i try to book by, going by greyhound bus. >> we had to leave to try to make our train. the website still offered a lot of people to purchase tickets to the line we were. we were like maybe the train is not canceled. we got here and the train is canceled. we have to find an alternate way to fet there. >> reporter: other transit agencies including new jersey transit are offering alternative routes for folks to get around martha. martha: how difficult and how long do they expect this will be for travelers in the northeast?

>> reporter: certainly will be aing cha for several days to come. we're told it will take several days to get that situation cleaned up. amtrak is running a modified set all. travelers can certainly expect some challenges. amtrak reps tell us they have service between washington and philadelphia, harrisburg and philadelphia and new york and boston. no amtrak service between new york and philadelphia. martha. martha: laura, thank you. bill: a lot more information coming on this throughout the day. they have the black box. the conductor survived. investigators recovering video cameras and event recorders to try to piece this together. we're in the very early stages of this breaking news story. investigators examining that scene, gathering clues to figure out what happened. we will, excuse me, we will be back live on that scene in a matter of moments.

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live so the investigation is under way. the question is whether there are still missing people in this awful train wreck. >> the train signal operation of the train, cumin performance and all of that will be examined for answers. >> a lot more coming up. happening now starts right now. we start with a fox news alert of the deadly train derailment in philadelphia. investigators trying to learn what caused a horrible accident last night. along the nation's busiest rail corridor. folks you are off to a great start. >> some critically injured, that train on route from washington to new york city jumped the tracks as it was rounding a turn. the conductor is injured but has given a statement to police. the black box, a computerized record of what was going on in the locomotive has been recovered investigators are beginning of the job of determining exactly what caused