and they have essentially have control over -- >> you're right. they do own those tracks of which the trains fly. jim hall thank you, former ntsb chairman. we're going to get more details on this at any minute. in the meantime the mystery continues. how fast was it going? breaking news in the deadly train derailment in philadelphia that left seven dead and hundreds injured. we're awaiting a live press conference from the national transportation safety board on the latest findings from its investigation earlier this afternoon the ntsb said preliminary data said the train exceeded 100 miles per hour before derailing on a curve going more than double the speed for that part of the track. we're going to keep an eye on that press conference that's supposed to take place. you can see there in the upper left of your screen. in the meantime juan you and dana have taken this train quite often, number 188. 240 people on board.

it was dead of night. it crashed. you can't see. seven confirmed dead. talk to us a little bit about that speed. ntsb said in excess of 100 miles an hour. maybe even 107 miles per hour. >> this is the regional train. not the athello. i understand that at this curve, as you were describing the speed limit is about 50 but as you approach it it's 70. you can build up speed. the question is what was the engineer doing stl and it's very curious is we don't know why he would have done that. now, there are cameras in the front of that train and i must tell you, from someone who rides it you meet everybody on that train. everybody is there. and, you know, according to the reports, a midshipman from a

annapolis, and a guy from the a.p. he had two sons 16 and 9. >> they said it's about a ten-minute warning. we can talk about this a little bit. dana talk to me about that turn again. i want to focus on the turn. allegedly what we under is there is supposed to be an auto mechanism for the trains to slow it down. so the engineer the person driving the train falls asleep or passes out or dies for that matter it's supposed to slow the train down automatically. apparently this may never have happened. >> so i think that's one of the good reasons that we're going to stick around to listen to the press conference because it's possible by now, since the black box was found, the ntsb may have more information about that that can help figure out what happened and then if there is a problem, address it not just in philadelphia but anywhere trains are active. i did think it was interesting that out of the 243 people that were on there's very few people that walked away without some

sort of injury. and seven have lost their lives. when you're a passenger, whether you're a bus or train or plane, you don't know how fast it is supposed to go. you put your trust in that individual and in the system. and i don't know if there is any reason to find fault with human error. we don't know that. in the meantime i think that the mayor of philadelphia mayor nutter has done as best as he can to try to coordinate efforts and i do enjoy hearing some of the stories of the heroism as a community, people coming together to help get those people out that were able to walk out. and to provide some water and refreshment in order to keep them calm and comfortable. i do hope that anybody watching that is still -- there are a few that have not been identified. there are a couple people

missing that their families have not heard from them yet. >> k.g. what's your feeling? how are they handling it so far? >> i think they are handling it really well. they are giving us a lot of information. this is something that is an evolving story. we're going to hear more from the ntsb. you saw the recovery of items forensics that are going to be key to putting the pieces together to determine what went wrong. was there human air ror or to get some claire and trans parn see on that. >> in context of this train derailment we need to spend more on infrastructure more on infrastructure and yet there's a good likelihood or chance that

it should have been high-speed. >> we never let it go to waste or whatever. i would rather like look at the tragedies like these serve as a reminder of who the first responders are. they are not tv hosts like us or the student activists or the paramedics that are there or the firemen who show up as these grisly events. abject fear. pat murphy democratic congressman, he was helping people. he left no one behind. and where did he learn that? from his military training. he was in the service. >> yep. >> and when you think about that you know cnn's brooke baldwin should realize that maybe military background does help in situations. in this case pat murphy you know used that experience and perhaps saved many many lives. i think the thing that you get

from this is that people that you can't forget you can't thank these people enough that go into this stuff while other people are running out, they are always running in. >> in fangtct an off-duty cop was credited for saving a lot of people. he ran to the disaster which they are trained to do somewhere around 15 people. >> reminds you of 9/11. >> yes. i will tell you what this reminds me of. again, this is pure just conjecture at this point. there was a train derailment a few months ago in the north of the city. same thing. going around the curve and the engineer fell asleep or had sleep apnea and then the train derails. as far as spending goes maybe there is more technology and we should spend it on technology to keep someone away or let someone else know if they fall asleep or

dies. >> i don't know what happened but there's a siren and flashing lights. if no one touches the controls for 20 seconds. >> what i understand is that it may not be on all trains juan. it may be on some of the shorter trip trains. i could be wrong. >> in which case then there might be a case for more -- a need for more infrastructure spending. i don't think this morning is the right time to bring it up. in particular when i think some people including celebrities, looked very silly suggesting it was obviously a funding problem when two hours later they were proven wrong and we found out it was excessive speed. >> will this affect anyone's desire from taking amtrak? no. i still think it's the safest way to travel. that's an important corridor between philly and new york or

d.c. >> what happens -- it happens to be the most profitable corridor. that corridor funds some of the most of the other cities that amtrak -- >> it's so good for jobs and commerce and the economy. if you think of about it it's a conduit between a number of very busy cities that allows people to be in multiple places people like juan dana you can be here and they can go to d.c. and it provides extra opportunity. >> and i will tell you, a lot of people on the right are saying well then go ahead. spin off the nonprofitable pieces of amtrak. as a government keep that one, if you want or sell that whole darn thing. they are telling us -- they are giving us a warning so we're going to hear from the ntsb in just a second. >> for the rest of the country, it is a little frustrating if you're in south dakota and you say the train system doesn't

benefit me at all, i understand that. but i think the train travel actually has increased a little bit. i think that their outreach has been good. great programs all around. >> let's listen to the ntsb. >> sumwalt. >> well good evening. i'm a board member with the national transportation safety board. ntsb as many of you know is an independent federal agency charged by congress to investigate transportation accidents to determine the probable cause and then issue safety recommendations to try and keep these accidents from happening again. before i go any further, i would like to offer our sincere condolences for the loss of

lives and the injuries that people have sustained and our thoughts and prayers are truly with them. ntsb investigators began arriving here between 4:00 and 5:00 this morning and the majority of the team was here by 9:30 this morning. upon arrival here on the scene, we coordinated with the local officials, the first responders and then we conducted a pretty thorough walk-through of the accident site to be able to get an idea of what we're dealing with sort of the lay of the land. at noon we held an organizational meeting where we established our investigative protocols and parties to the investigation. the investigator in charge is mike flanagan. mike has over 40 years of railroad experience and he has

more than 15 years of accident investigation experience with the ntsb. he is leading a multidisciplinary team of accident investigators that will be looking into the tracks. i'm talking about the train control signal system the operations of the train, the mechanical condition of the train, including the brake system the recorders, survival factors and emergency response. in addition to our investigative team, we have experts from the ntsb and office of transportation disaster assistance. they are here to help facilitate the needs of the victims and their families. here's the factual information that we presently have.

last evening amtrak 188, an amtrak northeast regional train, departed philadelphia's 30th street station at 9:10 p.m. bound for new york city penn station. the train consisted of one locomotive and seven passenger cars. and according to amtrak there were 238 passengers and a crew of five for a total of 243 occupants of the train. at approximately 9:21 p.m. while traveling through a left-hand turn the entire train derailed. just moments before the derailment the train was placed

into engineer-induced braking and this means that the engineer applied full emergency -- a full emergency brake application. maximum authorized speed through this curve was 50 miles per hour. when the engineer induced brake application was applied, the train was traveling at approximately 106 miles per hour. three seconds later, when the data to the recorders terminated the train speed was 102 miles per hour. i will indicate that these are preliminary figures of speed subject to further validation but we're pretty close on that. that's our first look at it. it's a pretty complex thing. you don't just press a button and it spits out a speed. you have to measure the wheel

speed and put that into a formula. but we're pretty confident that the train was traveling pretty close to those speeds within one or two miles per hour. the train had recorders. it had forward-facing video cameras and it had an event data recorder. both of these recorders are being sent to our laboratory for analysis in washington, d.c., and we did get the initial speeds that we just provided you with from an initial download of the event recorder. we've released the track back to amtrak and they will begin rebuilding it very soon. the locomotives and all but two of the train passenger cars are currently being moved to a secure location where detailed examination and documentation

can occur. throughout the next few days the investigators will work on thoroughly documenting the accident site and gather factual information. we will be doing a more detailed documentation of the rail cars and the scene. we plan to interview the train crew and other personnel. we would like to interview passengers of the train. we will be conducting a site distance test we'll be testing the train control signals, we'll be testing the braking system and a detailed analysis instead of the cursory analysis that i've mentioned earlier of the recorders, we'll be doing a very detailed download and analysis of those recorders. our mission is to find out not only what happened but why it

happened so we can prevent it from happening again. that's really what we're here for. to learn from those things so we can keep them from happening again. i suspect that our investigators will be here in philadelphia on scene for about a week. i want to emphasize that we are not here on scene to determine the cause of the accident while we're on scene. we're not going to speculate. our purpose for being here i like to describe it as we are here to collect perishable evidence which is that information that will go away with the passage of time. that's really what we're here to do to collect that information that will go away with the passage of time. we can go back and do the analysis later but we have to capture those data very carefully now. i feel like for just arriving on scene this morning, i feel like the preliminary information that we have is robust but we still

have a lot of information to get. i know you have a lot of questions. we have a lot of questions. our commitment to you is that as we are covering fablthdctual information, we'll be releasing it. i will be condutcting a press conference at this time tomorrow and release what information we found tomorrow. our investigators report back to me and i will report it to you. i would encourage you to follow us on twitter. our twitter handle is @ntsb. as i wrap it up i'd like to thank our first responders for all of their efforts. they have been out here through the night, early morning and all day to secure this area. we want to thank them for their hard efforts. now, i will call for questions. i'm going to call for questions. what i'd like for you to do is raise your hand. i will call on you and once i

call on you, say your name and outlet. >> [ inaudible ]. >> have we talked to the engineer? the answer to that is no but we plan to. this person has gone through a very traumatic event and we want to give him an opportunity to convalesce for a day or two. but that's a high priority for us is to interview the train crew. right here. >> [ inaudible ]. >> our producers are going to continue to listen to the press conference to see if there is anything else that comes out. the ntsb just announced -- they had new information for us -- the engineer applied the brake. the engineer-induced braking was applied. at the point of applying the

brake, the train was going 106 miles per hour and it got down to 102 miles per hour. i don't know if it entered the curve at that rate. which would be 50 miles per hour faster. that curve called for a 50-mile-an-hour speed limit. they were going to release the track back to amtrak and allow them to rebuild the track and get the track back in shape. he said they will take their time over the next week or so in doing intviews with crew and passengers and they will analyze carefully all of the data before they come up with their final theory on what happened. very thorough. >> very thorough. he laid out a very nice blueprint of how you go through an investigation like this. you can't discount the importance of witnesses. people right there on the scene who can tell you what they saw when it changed course and what was the cause for the acceleration. was it a mechanical defect?

that is going to be crucial in terms of assessing and preventing something like this happening going forward if there's a product or manufacturing defect that has to be corrected. >> interesting, the train left at 9:10 and it happened at 9:21. 11 minutes. what can happen in 11 minutes? >> wow. >> he didn't fall asleep. >> dana? >> i thought mr. sumwalt was an excellent spokesperson. i like what he said about the perishable evidence. >> the fact that he hit the brakes fits with what we heard from people on the train, that the train started to shutter and people began to fly out of their seats. >> i want to know why that braking system -- >> he lost control of the train very quickly right after they left for departure. that's a good point. coming up next president obama takes another shot at this network. what is the president's fox news obsession?

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and cuba. just kidding. he goes after fox news again. >> i think the effort to subject that the poor are sponges, leeches, don't want to work are lazy you know are undeserving, got traction. and, look it's still being propulgated. if you watch fox news on a constant basis, it's a constant menu they will find folks who make me mad. >> so let's analyze. he says fox goes out of its way to locate and then demonize the poor. for what reason? so we can kill and eat them? his criticism is absurd because he never suggests a motive. it's always focused on policies.

that's scary to progressives like obama who fear that their ideology will be exposed as the culprit behind so much present misery. identity politics welfare policies and the white liberal addiction to social intervention has helped replace enterprise with entitlement and that has hurt the poor more than street drugs or police brutality, which is why when fnc is critical of such policies obama portrays it as critical of people. it's to save his beliefs from the humiliation from which they so richly deserve. it's not fnc who talked about the warfare. >> we've got to ask the wealthiest americans and biggest corporations to pay their fair share. this is the land of opportunity. that's great. all i'm saying is that those who have done well including me should pay our fair share. my preference and the preference of most americans is that we ask

the wealthiest few americans to pay their fair share. >> this advocation of responsibility embraces the toxic retribution of occupy wall street which seeks equality by crushing everyone under one boot. as a class warrior, that's obama's common core. finally, he says we need to change the way the media reports issues. >> if we're going to change how john boehner and mitch mcconnell think, we're going to have to change how our body politics thinks which means we're going to have to change the way the media reports on these issues. >> translation, agree with me and we'll be fine. after all, the only network is the one who doesn't buy his spiel hook line and sinker. that's not an insult to us. it's a badge of honor. so k.g. this is not the first time. it's like the 20th time he's come after fox. is this wisdom or whining?

>> he has that varsity envy. look we're his biggest frustration and his biggest failure all in one. he's frustrated by us on a daily basis. we point out the truth and let the american people decide. decide for yourself so you're not spoon-fed all of this in the mainstream media. make informed decisions. it's unfortunate. it's not a good communication strategy but we can ask my good friend dana perino what she thinks to constantly bring something up like this because it's demeaning and beneath the president of the united states to act like he's frustrated in the playground of politics. >> juan i want to play this sound tape from president obama talking about rich sending private kids to school. >> what's happened in our economy is that those who are doing better and better more skilled, more educated luckier, having greater advantages are

withdrawing from sort of the commons, kids start going to private schools, kids start working out at private clubs instead of the public parks an anti government ideology then disinvests from those common goods and those things that draw us together. >> juan you think he is basically obscuring the choice with class, that everybody should have a choice to go wherever i want to go saying if you do that. and then he went off to columbia and harvard law. he is saying -- and it's a popular argument -- robert putnam was there at georgetown and there's a book out about how there's less common ground and less ability for kids to associate with upper income kids. i just think that it's begotten

and sinking. am i supposed to tell you, don't send your child to the best school? >> president obama did. >> there is arrogance here dana. >> you think? i also find on the school choice thing in particular to call out on john boehner is unnecessary and uncalled for. john boehner went to bat for the d.c. school children so they could have a choice to go to better schools and it was barack obama who wanted to block that. who was hurting black children then? >> good question dana. eric shouldn't other networks be angry that obama never signals them out for doing their job? he's basically saying i have no problems with you. you guys don't bother me. >> josh earnest was also on msnbc and reiterated -- unbelievable. he said we have to move away

from it. if we're going to change -- he went to the best private schools, sent his kids to the best private schools. on fox news rabbit ears why are you listening to us? thank you for that. we can use all of the viewers. finally, the other thing that is really crazy, the people who worked hard and made money and have done well society's lottery winners. not worked hard earned risked and won and did well. people who do well are lottery winners. we have to move on. the left is accusing the president of being sexist and a climate change denier. that's up next.

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senate democrats have been seeking to fast-track international trade deals. over the weekend, the president's critics on this issue, senator liz wetelizabeth warren. >> the truth of the matter is elizabeth is a politician like everyone else. on most issues her and i deeply agree. on this one, though her arguments don't stand the test of fact and scrutiny. >> warren's colleague took issue with those comments. >> i think the president was disrespectful to her by the way he did that. i think the president has made this more personal than he needed to. >> sherrod brown said that he made this sexist by referring to her by first name only. i agree. and then "i think it's sexist.

i think the president was trying to build up his own trustworthiness on this issue by that senator warrens concerns are not to be taken seriously." >> i think the white house made it worse by suggesting today that they deserved an apology. president obama knows elizabeth warren. she used to work for him. you can call someone by their first name like hillary, if you worked for them. it's not sexist. >> i agree. i don't think he was sexist at all. he's on a familiar basis with senator warren. he can call her elizabeth if he wants. >> does he call you perino? >> he does not.

>> juan? >> not sexist huh? look this is about a trade deal and those guys are going at it you know hardball. >> this is the climax of identity politics. inevitably you're going to devour your own. the past is never about unifying a group of people. the end result can only be chaos. everybody starts separating and saying no you're sexist no you're racist. it's like a snake eating its own tail and i enjoy watching the whole thing. >> the story about the sexist comment clips "the new york times" headline which was president obama was handed a major defeat not by republicans but by people in his own party. it was the democrats. >> they are out there.

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foreign policy has come to the forefront in the 2016 presidential race. earlier today, senator marco rubio laid out what his doctrine would be if he wins the white house. >> america plays a part on the world stage for which there is no understudy. when we fail to lead with strength and principle, there is no other country, friend or foe, who is willing or able to take our place. and the result is chaos. it's up to our next president to right the wrongs done by our

current one. it is up to our next president to properly fund our military. it is up to our next president to restore our people's faith in the promise and the power of the american ideal. >> yesterday, new jersey governor chris christie is likely to announce a run was asked about his views on the 2003 invasion of iraq and said this. >> i think president bush made the best decision he could at the time given his intelligence community was telling him that there was wmd but i don't think you can honestly say that if we knew then that there was not wmd that the country should go to war. if we knew then what we know now and i was the president of the united states i wouldn't have gone to war. but, you know we don't get to replay history. >> jeb bush clarified his stance after misunderstanding a question about the iraq war and whether we would have invaded given what we know now, now

being the key word. here's jeb. >> i interpreted the question wrong, i guess. i was talking about, given what people knew then would you have done it rather than knowing what we know now. and knowing what we know now, you know clearly there were mistakes. my brother has admitted this and we have to learn from that. >> so in other words, in 20/20 hindsight you would make a different decision? >> yeah. i don't know what that decision would have been. that's a hypothetical. but the simple fact is mistakes were made. >> now everybody is on the same page once the misunderstanding is understood. >> committee we now move on to see what the new doctrines would be whether rubio, ben carson carly fiorina? >> absolutely. you have to go back and look. you can't just say 20/20 hindsight. answer the question. what would you do at the time what would you do now? i don't know who would make a difference saying that. >> you know if i had given -- i

gave jeb bush the benefit of the doubt but then he came back and said if he knew what he knew now, he's still not sure what he would do and i notice it's the right we think going after him on this. it's laura ingraham, people like byron york and commentary magazine. they are saying, why isn't he separating himself out and saying he would have gone to war. >> what is the drawback? he said mistakes were made. he couldn't say, no, i wouldn't do it. >> maybe he's not -- >> i agree. >> is it bad to say i would have done the same thing? >> is it bad to lie? what if he's just telling the truth? that's what he thinks. >> well fair enough. then do you have the opportunity as someone who may not like jeb bush to say he can't make up his mind on that where would he -- >> what's he not making up his mind on? >> he won't tell us if he would have gone back.

>> because -- >> knowing what he knows now. >> it's a hypothetical if you had different information, what was that other information? who would have known? >> given what we know now mistakes were made and therefore i would not have done the same thing. that doesn't seem too difficult. >> in 1998 there was a un nananimous vote to oust saddam hussein. we should thank president bush, bill clinton and hillary clinton for those decisions and i admire what marco rubio said in that thing and i think he should come over to my place. >> oh, my god. more on the train derailment last night in philadelphia. we'll be right back. >> oh, my god.

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we're back with some final thoughts about the train derailment in philadelphia last night. earlier the ntsb said the train was going 106 miles per hour before the wreck and that the engineer braked moments before derailing. now, the question is what about the engineer? what about his testimony? he apparently has been allowed to leave the hospital with an attorney. ntsb says no comment so far, no interview. he's convalescing for a day or

two. does that strike you as crazy? >> there's something there that is not right but we don't know yet. >> i'd be curious, kimberly isn't it important to get his firsthand account rather than two days later? >> absolutely. you want to get the facts as quick as possible because people get lawyers, et cetera. you want to get in there with the circumstances still fresh. excited utterances what they say right after this happened. did anybody hear anything? >> i want to know if there's an auto train control capability on this train, if there's not, there should be on all, where the engineer can't override it. >> like some of the airplanes? >> like some of the airplanes but it can be overridden. it should be fail-safe to ensure that this doesn't happen again. >> you think about that young

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>> i'm hooked on phonics. >> you're hooked on the royalty. >> we're going to leave it there. that's it for us. "special report" coming up right now. tragedy on the tracks as rescue workers search for survivors. here in washington a train derailment has ignited a fight. this is "special report." good evening. i'm chris wallace in for bret baier. investigators are combing through the wreckage of a devastating amtrak train crash in philadelphia. while on capitol hill lawmakers are already pointing fingers over who could have prevented it. the crash tuesday night killed seven people and injured more than 200. today, ntsb investigators said the train, traveling from d.c. to new york was going over 100