to opine. do not be opaque when writing to the factor. thanks for watching us tonight. miss megan is next. please remember the spin stops here. definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight, there is growing outside from vets and military families after terrorists capture an iraqi city that americans died to deliberate. and the white house tonight dismissing the loss as a minor setback. >> just last night on this broadcast, we brought you the islamic state terror flag being raised over ramadi. the terrorists captured the prize over the weekend. today we got a copy of this video, iraqi soldiers scrambling in a chaotic retreat. more than 200 million soldiers were killed in rah maddy, in

firefights like this one from april 2006. just a few months later, a portland oregon native would be the first navy s.e.a.l. killed in ramadi trying to protect another s.e.a.l. just last month when general martin dempsey dismissed ramadi as an unimportant symbol. mark's mother wrote an open letter to dempsey. my son and many others gave their future in ramadi ramadi mattered to them. yesterday, debbie lee described the fall as gut-wrenching, and when challenged on that today, on ramadi here is how the white house responded. >> we have to decide what our approach to these issues is going to be. are we going to light our hair on fire every time that there is a set back in the campaign against isil or are we going to take care of our responsibilities to evaluate

those steps to succeed? >> joining me now, pete heckstaff. general jack keen is chairman for the institute of the study of war, pete i want to begin with you, you were there, you with were in iraq you fought now tonight to hear the white house dismiss this as a setback and say, what are we going to do light our hair on fire every time there's a setback? >> it's incredibly dismissive in other news in mosul, in ramadi in if a luge yarks isis is lighting people on fire. every set back for the white house is a massacre every set back is a stain on soldiers who tried to take ramadi. it underscores how fundamentally disconnected they are from the nature of the enemy, that we face. bob gates said it right today, they have no strategy at all in

iraq or the middle east. they have the audacity to call it an overall success. find me one success. air strikes haven't rolled them back. the iraqi army is not capable. the political resolutions they always talk about, iran is closer to baghdad than it's ever been. >> describe the success, he was challenged on that assertion by jonathan karl. >> would you say that overall the strategy has been a success? >> over all, yes it doesn't mean there have been areas of set back. >> almost all of an bar province is gone. >> i got a call these are not the detroits you're looking for, failure equals success. in we say it's so it is so. from yemen, it's a suckess, a failure. a model of 21st century warfare.

reset in russia? it's going to work, no, it season the. they tell us what they want the people to think and here. willful -- this administration has been wrong about iraq and the consequences are in the sands of ramadi and men like mark who gave so much mark lee, their families are wondering, is it worth it? it was, because they gave so much. this administration is backhanding these families by saying it's successful it doesn't really matter. it does. and we're bearing the fruits of a bad policy right now. >> we can't forget the sacrifices these guys made as we look at whether this is important or not. >> thank you. >> bob gates served as a defense secretary under president bush and president obama. he got a lot of attention today

when he suggested the u.s. has no middle east strategy at all. appearing on fox and friends this morning, he talked about how the white house has reacted to the fall of ramadi. listen. >> i think to refer to what happened in ramadi is simply a setback. to say we will help the iraqis regain it. frankly the rhetoric between iraq and getting them done is significant. they have mosul, getting them out of these cities is going to be tough general jack keen the general for the institute -- the pentagon was out there saying isis was on the defensive, and downplaying fears about losing ramadi. >> the facts are what they are. you know isis is a very

determined resourceful and ambitious enemy. we have to look at them for who they are and admit that and not underestimate it number one. they're expanding in syria, in eastern and western syria, they're able to attack any place, at any time they choose inside iraq and they're expanding into libya, yemen, the sinai and afghanistan they're having a regional approach while they're defending somewhat successfully against the united states and the coalition inside of a iraq and syria, that leather is a plus for them and certainly a minus for us. >> when i listen to you say that expanding into egyptian sinai, libya, afghanistan pakistan. i recall president obama's remarks not long ago saying the following about isis. listen.

>> our coalition is on the offensive. isil is on the defensive, and isil is going to lose. >> what happened to that what happened to isil on the defensive. >> we got to see reality as the way it is. this is a disturbing and frightening echo to what we had in 2006 a different administration when we were failing in iraq and the government officials and the military generals were defending the strategy despite the evidence that it was failing. we have government officials, the president of the united states in this case and also military leaders defending a failing strategy and what -- the problem with that is you're not going to fix it as long as you're defending it you have to face the truth, admit to yourself that it's failing, and get on with fixing the strategy, iraq despite what we have seen in ramadi and how tragic that is is not lost yet we can

reverse some of this it's going to be difficult. >> the president is meeting with the national security team tonight to discuss strategy. the washington post editorial board came out last night and said you have none it's time to admit it there's no defending you on this any more you have no strategy and by all accounts we're losing general, we're losing. is there any turning that around under this president the way he sees this conflict? >> the only way he can turn this around is number one, we're talking about tough minded calm and imaginative leadership to think through what this problem is and accept the risk that goes with winning wars. war is fundamentally a test of will and we can put together a strategy to deal with this situation. we have talked about it for nine months in terms of what we need to do we need advisers down on the ground with these iraqi forces to help stiffen their

resolve and provide support when they need it. surveillance aircraft attack helicopters. we need more trainers than what we have to train up the scale and size of the iraqi forces. >> believe it or not, general jack keane is saying the same thing as the washington post editorial board, and the same things have been said for months. >> you saw the successful attack in syria? >> yeah we should be doing that multiple times a night in iraq and syria as we had done 8 to 10 times on average in iraq and afghanistan, it's possible to put in play a strategy that's going to help the forces on the ground and still make some progress. that is still an option. i'm not confident this administration will face up to that reality. >> it takes a lot of will and viewers should know when president bush was failing into in iraq they turned to jack keen he went in there and said

you need to fire your generals. they listen to him, the surge was put into place, and there was the anbar awakening, and we had iraq. joe biden said it was going to be a huge success, and now it's gone. and they can -- they should consider listening to him again. he's got a lot of good ideas. general, good to see you. >> good talking to you as always. >> imagine that imagine the courage that took under very scary circumstances, where do we go now as we have real feels of a prolonged war in iraq. and the american people have fears as well. >> there are new developments tonight in the controversy involving abc newsman george stepan open list and how he failed to disclose his donations to the clinton foundation. brit hume is leer tonight on what we just learned about george's situation at abc news. plus after baltimore police were krit sized and investigated by local state and federal

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new reports suggesting deadly violence is exploding in the city of baltimore. in the days since six police officers were arrested in connection to the death of freddie gray a lot has happened. some suggesting the police are reluctant to do their jobs in the wake of the doj launching an investigation into possible racism in the department. the pundits condemning the police force, just 24 hours ago, the white house announcing new limits on riot gear that cops can carry. the baltimore sun reporting that 34 people have been murdered in 30 days. that homicides are up nearly 40% from a year ago. mark igeiglarsh is with me.

we had a source come on fox news the weeks after the arrests. here's what happened. >> the department has shown whose side they're on they're not going to stand up for these officers when you know incidents like this come down. >> arthur? >> just to give a basis of comparison in new york city for comparatively the same period there were 23 homicides, versus 34. it doesn't sound like a big difference except there are 800,000 people in baltimore, 8.5 million people in new york. so i mean that gives you an idea of how much higher the percentage rates of homicides are, and the analogy i draw megan is this when you're playing tennis the first serve you give all your might, you give it all you got, once you get your hand slapped, once you lose the second serve you pull all the way back the police

officers have been punished they've been -- in every way possible being charged with murder, to being just villainized. so now, of course they're going to pull back that's human nature and this is what the citizens get unfortunately in return. >> and yet -- i'm sure they're clinging right now to the words of the prosecutor who came out and gave them their moment this is their moment. it turned out to be the moment before homicide spiked 40%. listen to the da when she spoke to the community right after she arrested these cops. >> i heard your call for no justice, no peace. your peace is sincerely needed. as i work to deliver justice on behalf of this young man. to the youth of this city i will seek justice on your behalf. this is a moment this is your moment you are at the forefront of this cause, and as young

people our time is now. >> really? >> megyn listen justice for freddie gray sounds wonderful, justice for all, sounds a lot better. i'm trying to think, was she giving this speech before or after that prince concert that she attended. i have real problems with the idea that they're now prosecuting police for at worst making mistakes. no one's alleging these cops got together and said let's arrest this guy without probable cause. they put handcuffs on before they were supposed to. to lose your livelihood and liberty over it, that i have a problem. >> the prosecutor wants a gag order on the defense attorneys, after she got out there and said that stuff, and then took us through every thing that led her to believe these cops are felons now they have to shut up? >> and what i was surprised about is they put in answers, to the paperwork today, the prosecutors did, to the defense

motions for the prosecutor to recuse herself. they didn't do anything unethical or improper the tone they took is not the way i was treated -- >> let me tell you what you're talking about. this is the prosecutor's office -- they're frivolous, a desire for publicity. a gross effort to meet authority. would be laughable. >> what about the pinball. they draw a pinball an algs that the defense attorneys made the pinball -- >> not proper for a prosecutor. >> go ahead, mark. >> they don't understand the defense function. it is our job to do everything we can for our clients, and do it zealously, to dismiss what we're doing as illogical and december pratt. it's like we're dealing with children over there. >> as a prosecutorer -- i just had dinner with three spectacular former prosecutors, tell megan, you're supposed to

present the facts, not some hyperbole, the truth. >> the truth. >> these are moments, this is our moment. >> she doesn't know what she's doing. she doesn't know what she's doing, you guys thank you. >> thanks megan. >> thanks megyn. >> toes totally improper, that's all there is to it. coming up hillary clinton sending shock waves through the media by agreeing to take a few questions, it was a shock. the bigger story may be what we're learning about a top clinton confidant, and the off the books work he was doing in libya. george stephanopolous' work with abc. brit hume's thoughts next. >> those donations were a matter of public record i should have made additional disclosures on air when we covered the foundation. so when i finally told my doctor,

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we have a kelly file follow-up tonight on george stephanopolous. he failed to disclose contributions to the clinton foundation. after media critics questioned why abc did not conduct an investigation or punish stephanopolous in anyway reports surfaced today saying the anchor has a seven-year $105 million contract. a pretty big investment to protect. does that answer some questions about why there's been no punishment at all? >> well if the story's true and suppose he was only making half that, that's still a pretty big investment. i was talking to howard kurtz about this a few minutes ago. he suggested the term for stephanopolous at abc is too big to fail. they can't afford to let go of him, and they can't afford to discipline him in a way that i

think would mean they would deeply disapprove what he's done. i think they don't quite know what to do. >> we knew he was tied to the clintons. first he came out and said i should have taken the extra step of disclosing i had made the donations, no problem with the donations. i probably shouldn't have donated. then he came out and said it was a mistake to donate but i did it nor great reasons and it was all public record. like the viewers are going to go online to decide whether any news people are on there as having made donations. >> i think it's in addition to that he participated in some of the foundations or at least it's offshoots events. and i think that he was in a different situation from most people in this business in that he didn't have a career as a journalist he had a career in politics he came straight from

the clinton white house to abc news where it was said in the beginning, he was going to be a commentator only. he was going to be paired with bill chris daal and they were going to be a back and forth team. they were for a while, it was interesting. then abc news let crystal go and we got him, and we got him, to our ever lasting pleasure. and george was there alone, and he morphed into an anchorman. he had an obligation to make it clear he didn't server his ties to the clintons. bill clinton is an ex-president. he's nominally out of politics. she's still very much in politics and governments for this parts of the period. you can't maintain. let me ask you this. he's taken himself out of the gop presidential debate. what about the other debates and what about the political coverage. he's too conflicted to cover the

debate. why is he not too conflicted to cover the campaign. >> they made him their chief political anchor they look around and have a new hand at the untiler and world news tonight, david muir who seems to be a fine fellow. they must feel that george is a bigger star and, of course this is a business that depends to some extent on stars. and abc news doesn't have the galaxy of stars it once had, george they made a big bet on him, i think it's a bad position for them to be in i think it hurts their credibility and i think george has not gone as far perhaps as he should to say in the future he will not be connected to the clintons in anyway and he may -- if he wants to remainn friends with them in some personal way, there's nothing he can do about that or say about that. the connections he's had to them are too numerous he's under a special connection not to have

those connections. a clinton ally so disliked by the obama administration they banned him from working at state when hillary clinton was there. she then agreed to answer media questions. ed henry and howie kurtz next. >> this way -- wait, wait.

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breaking tonight, after weeks of dodging the media, hillary clinton finally answered questions today. five adding up to roughly 4:30 of real life interaction with the press including one question on this guy. sydney blumenthal. a man so disliked by the obama white house, he was banned when

secretary clinton tried to hire him to work for her at state. she found a way around that. trace gallagher has the story of how blumenthal is at the heart of the newest clinton controversy. >> sydney has long been known for his loyalty to the clintons and attacking their opponents. blumenthal was accused of defending the president by smearing monica lewinsky calling her a stalker and unstable sexually demanding young woman. he later denied the statements under oath. the reason blumenthal was barred from working with her in the state department because he tried to plant negative stories about then senator obama. it appears he was trying to influence foreign policy, the new york times says in 2011/2012, before and after the death of moammar gadhafi, he sent 25 people foes to secretary

of state's personal and unknown e-mail address. despite the information being unvetted and mostly inaccurate secretary clinton passed it along to senior state department personnel, when blumenthal was corresponding with secretary clinton, he was advising business partners hoping to secure lucrative projects. blumenthal sent intelligence to an alternate personal e-mail account while being paid by the clinton foundation. the former secretary explained it this way. >> i have many many old friends and i always think that it's important when you get into politics to have friends you had before you were in politics and to understand what's on their minds, he's been a friend of mine for a long time he sent me unsolicited e-mails which i passed on in some instances. >> the chairman of the house would like to know why he sent them and what his goals were and has reportedly subpoenaed

blumenthal to appear before the panel on june 3rd. some democrats accused trey gouddy of leaking e-mails to damage hillary clinton's campaign. >> joining me now, someone who worked with blumenthal many years ago. she said i have many friends he sent me unsolicited e-mails, what's the big deal. >> it's a masterful answer. the many friends, old friends just staying in touch, ignores the gift of the controversy, which is, she was dealing with through a back channel, a guy who was being paid by the clinton foundation he was peppering her with these memos about libya. trying to two business with libya. and the kicker is the intel he's providing about libya, in the department of other state

department officials, was bad, it was bogus. >> it turns out, he's got an agenda he's connected with this group in libya that has an agenda and he has direct access to the secretary of state, and was not afraid to use it. >> this is precisely the confluence of public and private and filan this ropic interests that is at the heart of the controversy at the heart of the clinton foundation this was a back channel. other state department officials didn't know this was coming from sid blumenthal who was considered radioactive because of the controversy involving monica lewinsky and he had a long history. he had been a notoriously proclinton journalist for years, washington post new yorker new republic the editor of the new republic told me he banned blumenthal from the office because he didn't trust him. and another reporter, julia reed once told me blumenthal had

urged her not to write a story questioning bill clinton's character because the '92 election was just too important for that. >> this is when he was supposed to be an objective journalist? >> in air quotes. >> okay. when he went to work for the clinton white house, it was back pay. >> exactly. >> and he never stopped. then is he says i want to bring him with me as secretary of state to work with me there. >> rahm emmanuel said no i don't think so. she did it anyway howie, she did it anyway that's what we're learning and received advice that wasn't vetted may have been tainted and her defenders are going to say, so what she's got all her friends, that's what friends are for. >> the advice was tainted in some instances, it was where blumenthal sent memos to the private e-mail account. talking up a libyan politician his business pals were trying to

get to finance some of these projects they were unsuccessful in selling. sid blumenthal had a real conflict. at the same time he's on the clinton foundation payroll. >> i like how she said she wants to stay in touch with people before she was in politics. which pretty much means people she met in the cradle. >> many decades ago. >> howie, good to see you. dana perino asked a tough question earlier today about hillary clinton's adviser. >> are you comfortable that sydney blumenthal was running a rogue communication after you told her she was not to have anything to do with the state department? those are the kinds of questions i would ask. >> up next a former obama spokesperson talks to us live. les of diabetic nerve pain, these feet grew up in a family of boys...

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i have a wandering eye. i mean, come on. national gives me the control to choose any car in the aisle i want. i could choose you... or i could choose her if i like her more. and i do. oh, the silent treatment. real mature. so you wanna get out of here? go national. go like a pro. breaking tonight, back to one of our top stories now, hillary clinton ending the drought, actually taking some questions from real live reporters. kind of. ed henry is the one who started it all, ed? >> good to see you, it's been foreign minister surreal to serious in the last 24 hours. last night i was checking in my hotel, the clerk gives me a key.

i see a secret service agent guarding the room hillary clinton is across from me. he found it funny that a fox correspondent is across from the candidate not taking any questions. i got my chair out of the desk and rolled it into the hallway. i told her staff, i'm ready for the interview when whenever she wants to come out. the serious stuff came this morning when she had a roundtable event behind me she did the roundtable carefully choreographed events. candidates from both parties do that. both parties come to the back of the room. she had not done that until nearly a month, i pressed her politely on that, listen. >> wait wait wait -- >> yes, maybe when i finish talking to the people here how is that? >> i might, i'll have to ponder

it but i'll put it on my list for due consideration. >> remember it was david axelrod who had suggested as a democrat that it was time for hillary clinton to take questions, i have covered the white house, sometimes they're accessible sometimes they're not. when you have an obama adviser telling you talk to the press, it's best you take the suggestion. >> here he is the press secretary for the obama white house. let's start with that dana perino question. how do you think the obama administration feels, she was told she couldn't have this guy working for her, and she did it anyway off the books, taking advice from the guy they didn't want working for the administration. >> i think the obama administration down to every single person in the cabinet knows there are people outside of the white house who are friends, who are going to continue to send in their

advice, whether it's warranted or not. you should see the advice i sent to jen sakki over the last few weeks. >> you were sanctioned she was told we don't want him to be a part and there she went with this guy who is considered shady, and he's getting -- he's conflicted -- he's dealing with these libyans who have an agenda and he's pushing that agenda directly to the secretary of state, which raises questions about her judgment and her connections. >> i have to say, i read that story, if you can link something that sydney blumenthal said to something he was trying to make money of congratulations. it's a confusing story. it seemed like he sent a bunch of memos, some of which were seen as helpful many of which were not helpful. they were sorted out that way,

there are lots of people who get e-mails all the time this is sort of a trumped up controversy, that's not going to bear much in the way of fruit and will probably be gone in 20 minutes. >> why does it seem like -- really? do you know what show follows mine? why does it seem like there's a cloud of corruption that follows her, between the e-mails, this report. tomorrow may be another one. >> maybe it only follows her around on your network? >> the new york times wrote the e-mail story, broke the blumenthal story. it's not just the fox news channel. >> right, but the right is going to take these news reports and talk about them as much as they can, they think they can make ground going after anything that smells like scandal. if you look at what's happening, hillary clinton is out there talking about the american people and the republicans are all talking about hillary clinton. if they keep up with this

dynamic, republicans do not stand a chance in this election. i think that hillary clinton was at that event talking about issues that are important to iowa ans and she's going to continue to do that. >> another good way to talk to people is to talk to their representatives,ed media. >> i think she will there's a lot of time between here and there for her to do just that. i don't know what the strategy is but it's a long time until the election and no election has ever been won or lost by how many questions were taken from reporters. >> always great to see you, bill. >> you should see the e-mails he enis the me too. they're fine. joining me now ron fornier. there's nothing to see, no problem, i have many friends in my places with respect to my e-mails, i really -- i can't

wait for them to be relesioned. i'm so looking forward to it and i would pressure them to release them sooner but they're not mine. >> she sure treated them like they were hers didn't she? had one, two, maybe more private accounts. a secret server she kept in her basement. i think bill is a real decent guy, heck of a -- does a good job at defending his clients, and a good man. he's doing what frankly too many in journalism do right now, we talk about all these issues how is it going to affect the campaign. what does this tell us about what kind of leader she will be? here's what we know so far. we know she's finding transparency the exact opposite of transparent. we know she's a rule breaker. she violated the white house rules on the donations and the e-mails, that's a question we should be asking the president.

your secretary of state was violating two of your regulations. >> we keep asking that they keep referring us to her. >> what we're finding out about is at least so far, it's early in the campaign she's not accountable, i mean her news conference today was obnoxious. for her to say these are not my e-mails. well you treated them like your e-mails. i want to get them out. if you wanted to get them out, you would have put them out a long time ago. and by the way, i'm sure you have copies of the e-mails you did cherry pick and give to the state department. why not give to ed henry today. is there a conflict of interest between the speeches you're giving and the people in government? >> no. >> that's her whole defense, no there isn't. >> we don't know if there's a quid proquo but there's a

conflict of interest. there's a perception of a conflict of interest that's wrong that's not how you're supposed to be campaigning and leading. it erodes the public's doubt. >> last question before i let you go. the attempt to paint this as all a fox news thing is not going to work on this. >> yeah and i like him a lot too, they would love to make this about fox news they would love to make it about people like me they would like to make it about anything other than her. i think a lot of reporters have the same problem, we're to make this about the horse race. what does it say about what kind of leader she would be. i've known her for a long time i think a lot about her, what she's shown us so far is not the kind of leader we need right now, she's going to have to be much more transparent, much more accountable and understand she can't talk her way out of these

problems she have to work in a way voters and leaders expect her to act. >> thank you. bill burton just mentioned the republican field, and one of the men who may soon join that field is next. stick around for governor john kasich after the break.

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new developments tonight in the ever expanding 2016 race for the white house. we interviewed four current or former governors, they hailed from a range of red, purple and blue states. governors are best prepared to handle leading this country, tonight one more. joining me now, ohio governor and potential 2016 republican

congressional candidate, john kasich. we have a governor of a purple state in governor walker governor of a blue state, governor christie why do we need you, why does america need john kasich potentially. >> you had the debate about governor and senator, i was both of them i was chairman of the budget committee, and also served on the armed services committee and then being governor there's no -- there's nothing like the experience of being a governor because every day you wake up and there's another thing you have to tend to have you to make quick decisions and you have to be in charge. at the end of the day, there's a bottom line in my state, you know we're up 340,000 jobs cut the largest amount of taxes and we lifted ohioans to the point where i won 86 out of 80 county counties including 26% of

african-americans, 51% of union households and that's ohio. we're talking ohio so it's all good. but look experience matters, so i've had the experience in washington as chairman of the budget committee. and then being the governor of ohio one of the biggest -- the 7th largest state in the can't. >> you're a spender, you're like a george w. bush spender. >> really? why is it i am running a surplus, and inherited a hole. over 20 governors are running budgets that are structurally imbalanced mine is not. i cut taxes, and when i was chairman of the budget committee, we had a $5 trillion surplus, we cut the capital gains tax, if someone says i'm a spender, i may spend on things that matter. >> do you consider yourself a compassionate conservative like george w. bush?

>> i don't like titles. we need to lift everyone. i just did this with hillary, hillary can absolutely be beaten but they're not -- she will not be beaten unless somebody has a big message about lifting america and making america great again, with programs to do it. everyone should feel the opportunity in america, and there are many americans who say i'm not sure that american dream still exists. >> liz cheney came out today and said what we should ask the democrats, knowing what you know now, would you still have supported withdrawing the troops from iraq? it's a good question. >> knowing what you know now, would you have invaded iraq? >> no, i would never have gone in there. >> i was opposed to u.s. involvement in lebanon, it was a civil war. i was opposed to the war in bosnia not in favor of civil

wars i supported the first gulf war. going into iraq makes no sense, it was not in america's interest. all of this about nation building you go you take care of business and you come home you don't spend your time there, it makes no sense. the iraq thing all the way from releasing the iraqi military it's been bungled from the beginning. good we have so much more we need to discuss. >> we do. we're short tonight, how about i come on for half the show. i'll do hillary and me, how is that?

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tomorrow on the show dana perino donald trump and michelle malkin who wouldn't want to watch that? in the meantime follow me on twitter, and let me know what you think of governor kasich. thanks for watch inging. tonight the ultimate betrayal of our fallen soldiers. >> mark gave the very best on the battlefield. >> a mother whose son died fighting for ramadi is sickened that the city is controlled by isis. >> reaction from colonel oliver north. hillary clinton did use a second secret e-mail account while at the state department. mark stein is here with reaction. >> i should have played additional disclosures on air as we covers the foundation.