here tonight, though. and that would have been after 7:00 hour. i can tell you during 7:00 hour, on the greta van susteren show i was doing the show from that location. that had not been an arrest and so it happened after that hour. >> so you have no idea what led them to track down this particular vehicle? >> no. i don't. but it was not surprised me if they had a tip. there were initially indications that he was in the brooklyn new york area. and then we started peeling back that onion, and it was determined that he may very well have been headed back to washington, d.c. to turn himself

in. but, we now know that it was not darren went who turned himself in. it was law enforcement who surrounded his automobile in the northeast washington area and arrested with nobody being harmed. >> any word if he was the driver of the vehicle? or a passenger? >> that is yet to be known. i have seen some photos of him outside of the vehicle. so i don't know if he was actually driving or whether a passenger in the vehicle. i do know he is now in custody. >> and photos that you saw, did he look like he was handcuffed? >> yes. he was. >> okay. >> and any word on where they took him following that? >> you can expect that they would perhaps immediately have

taken him to police headquarters. now, having been arrested in the north area of washington, d.c. that would be the area of where the fifth district police station would be but under these circumstances and the fact that you had federal and local law enforcement searching for him, it's more likely than not he's in the hands of authorities who some say made sure they turn him over to local authorities. >> okay. and anything else you can tell us that you learned today? i know you said you're on the scene most of the day prior to this apprehension. >> one of the bomb shells came from chief laneier when she made it known that at some state in his lifetime he had worked at american iron works, owned by

and the ceo was interesting. we're all wanting to know what was the motive behind these senseless killings of these decent human beings? >> right. and to know if there was a connection or a random act, so it's starting to look like there was some connection through work here. >> well the chief made it very clear that -- and the chief of the washington, d.c. police department does not believe this was a random act the big question i think we're concerned about now, was there any accomplices? and one of the things we're concerned is that hopefully they would have taken him into

custody rather than have a shoot out or found dead and not be able to provide information. we hope he has a treasure trove of information concerning his actions as well as others. >> they can speak with him, speaking of an accomplice when you saw those photographs of him, he appeared to be handcuffed outside of this vehicle did it look like there was anyone else around? in that vehicle? >> only thing is him being surrounded by law enforcement on the outside of the vehicle not so much inside. >> okay. >> right. any final thoughts? >> well yes. a long nightmare is somewhat over but this is the beginning

of a new chapter here to determine as i said the rationale behind these senseless killings as well as what mr. wint can tell us about the involvement perhaps of any other individuals in the killing of the decent family and their housekeeper. >> yes. absolutely. just to recap for viewers if you're just joining us daron dylon wint has been apprehended. this is the killing of the savopoulos family. it appeared he was in the new york area but it appearses that was not the case. now, ted, reports again on thursday that wint made it to brooklyn, new york but that he was no longer there or not, i mean he was arrested in washington, d.c. why do you think there was confusion on that?

>> well there wasn't any direct reason. and i know the new york police department took his girlfriend in and they took her in for questioning. it was rumored he was headed back to washington to turn himself in. but let's be candid and viewers should understand. mr. wint who cowardly killed four people that is the allegations against him, he's not been convicted came from under some rock and all of a sudden now, he's committed these murders as he's been certainly

charged will be charged, then naturally you wonder why this coward did not present himself and had to be taken into custody by law enforcement. >> right. right. now, i wonder was he headed back down? was that his intention? was he on the road trying to get away? i mean that will be interesting to see how that unfolds when we learn more. >> absolutely. i don't think we are in a position to say that he was voluntarily doing anything in light of the fact that law enforcement had to surround his automobile in which he was in and to take him into custody. it wasn't like he was voluntarily doing anything. the only thing he did was ran away from a scene where wonderful people are dieing. >> yes. yes. ted williams thanks for joining

us and giving us information you have so far, we appreciate your time. >> my pleasure. >> reports that wint made it to brooklyn, new york but he's been arrested in washington, d.c. joining us now on the phone is former nypd detective patrick bossnan. what can you tell us? was he in new york? heading back to washington, d.c.? what are your thoughts? >> it's difficult to speculate with any precision where he was, whether or not he headed to new york. the time line will be developed and established as facts become evident but i've got to tell you the fact is that this moro show this nightmare is on the exact same plane as you recall in 2007 in connecticut when dr. pettitte and his family were

slaughtered in connecticut. this madness, this monstrosity that occurred is the exact same stuff. what you have here is a fantastic and amazing demonstration of how forensic investigators come forward, a crust of a pizza in 2015. that didn't happen in 1995. this is today's methodology and takes these animals, these monitors into custody, quick, quick, quick. that is the beauty of it we salute and stand in awe of the fantastic job law enforcement did in this matter. >> unfortunately we have to go to break but we appreciate your time. we'll be back with "hannity" right after these messages you can call me shallow... but, i have a wandering eye.

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break breaking tonight as we continue to track the explosion in crime since the city of baltimore charged these six cops the mayor today addressed the crisis while protesters continue to target police. trace gallagher has the details. trace? >> some west baltimore residents

say police can't control crime because they are not trusted, but there is a growing concern people aren't just protesting police they are taunting them unloading a barrage of verbal assaults calling them killers of the innocent among other things. this is video of protesters getting in the faces of police who are standing silent outside the fraternal order of police. the protesters there were demanding the police union stop defending what they call bad cops but these types of gatherings are also happening at crime scenes where police officers say they are unable to do their jobs. listen to the commissioner. >> when officers pull up to respond to acall they have 30 to 50 people surrounding them at any given point in time. we have to send out multiple units any time they are just doing basic police work right now. >> some of those in west baltimore say they are simply trying to hold police more accountable and some resent the commissioner for they say trying to link a spike in crime to the ongoing protests. whatever the cause, the blood

bath in baltimore is increasing significantly. at this time last year there were 71 homicides. so far in 2015 there have been 100. and this number is even more telling, it includes a 28-day span this year beginning with the day freddie gray died and it includes the riots and the charges against the police officers. in that 28-day period this year homicides were up 120% over the same period last year. and the vast majority of the murder victims, megyn, were black. >> trace, thank you. joining me now with more, sheriff david clark with the milwaukee police force. sheriff clark, our sources, and we have numerous sources connected to the baltimore police department sound angry. they say they are on a full strike that it's going to get worse, that they could careless if the western district blows up that they get paid the same for a ten-hour shift whether

they work it or they don't aggressively that they are being, quote, the nice police everyone wants and this is the result you get. >> it's unfortunate. i don't think that the fine officers have quit on the city of baltimore. it's pretty evident to me they've quit on commissioner batts. he put them on the street with no way to defend themselves or the city of baltimore and also he said in the days following the riots, he said we are the problem, meaning the police. he said we have not been part of the solution we must change. so just to further bashing of the baltimore's finest. what goes out the window and it's happening quicker than i thought it would, it's self initiated policing where officers develop a reasonable suspicion suspicion, not biased on a call for service, but see a vehicle that looks suspicious see individuals and figure criminal activity might be afoot and approach the individuals and do

investigations. people wanted on serious warrants with self initiated policing you'll find large amounts of drugs, you'll find guns being transported to and from drive-by shootings, that's out the window right now. >> there's a way of not being quite as aggressive as you otherwise would be. and in the meantime the cops, they are representatives, getting shut down at every turn. only one of the cops has a lawyer who's spoken out at all and is barely said anything right, unlike the d.a. who has said a lot. sent out a couple of tweets now she rushes into court and says shut them up i want a gag order on them. then the police union guy goes out, this is crazy, not fair you're endangering cops and the naacp goes in and attacks him saying you've attacked a young african-american mother of two, the d.a. and it bothers us greatly to have the integrity of the strong african-american female leaders questioned by

someone like you. what are they supposed to do sheriff? >> look she had her political statement when she announced the charges, now she wants to shut everybody up. this is not north korea. the naacp have descended into irrelevancy. they were once a proud organization have capitulated and become the voter registration and get out the vote drive for the democrat national committee. so it's pretty obvious where they are coming from and it's unfortunate that since 1954 that's probably the last time they had any impact on any social policy brown v. board of education. i won't even give them the voting rights act of '65, that was dr. martin luther king. they are irrelevant right now. >> seems clear these cops don't trust their leadership they don't trust the d.a. the mayor, and perhaps it goes above that. >> and with good reason. put yourself in the position of a baltimore police officer. you're supposed to go out and patrol the country's seventh most dangerous city you put

your life on the line every single day to protect the community against drug dealers and gangs and violent criminals, and when something goes wrong, the first reaction of your officials is to throw you under the bus. people say the police are to blame, murders, racists, the mayor calls up the justice department and calls for a civil rights investigation into a police department that is multiracial and has no signs of civil rights abuses right now. so they feel they are under siege. they are under siege from the community that they are trying to protect and under siege and abandoned, they have their backs abandoned by the political leaders who are supposed to have their back. >> they've made comments for example, about the ferguson case before they ever got to the baltimore case. >> no absolutely. this prosecutor she said she wept when the grand jury came back and didn't indict the officer in ferguson. so this is the -- this is what they have. they see a politicized

prosecutor a mayor who is more concerned with her own political survival than protecting the police officers who serve under her, so they are in baltimore, they are stepping back they are not taking risks and may be simply that they are not taking that extra risk to go down that dark alley, because there's no benefit to it. if they do it and they take a risk no one's going to have their back. >> nonfatal shootings are up 175% in baltimore. >> staggering. >> quite a story. thank you both. >> thank you, megyn. when the president this week ordered a ban on military hardware for police he also shared some thoughts on how police need to dress. brian has the inside scoop on that. and up next we are live on the case of the entire family murdered after someone held them hostage in their home for two days then set the place on fire to hide the evidence. a suspect is on the run, but his former lawyer is here next with

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a phone call is made by the family don't come. someone called domino's pizza and ordered two pizzas that were delivered and cash had been left outside the pizza went inside. and the second day of the whole sick affair the family was

found dead after savopoulos's personal assistant dropped off $40,000. now, they think it's this guy, wint because why? >> they found his dna on the pizza and this is someone who is a person of interest the suspect in this case. >> he's got ties to the family he used to work for the company run by savopoulos. he was arrested outside of the business carrying a machete and a bebe gun. >> yes. he was caught with a machete. charges were dropped. >> they were dropped because he

pled guilty to possessing an open container of alcohol. >> what are your thoughts that he is at large? >> wednesday night they have spoken to the girlfriend and i'm sure she's in contact with the authorities now. i would say there is going to be other people involved i would say there is probably someone with him. he didn't order those two pizzas to feed the family before he murdered them if he did this. and you know i think we're going to find other people involved but they will find him. he's going to be caught. if he can run, he can't hide. it's only a matter of time. so you used to represent this man in connection with other charges you saw this on the news you thought what? >> i have known him to be a very nice kind gentle person the

victim of injustice in the past. i represented him in six cases, in none of the six was he found guilty of anything. >> that m you to your legal skills not his character. >> no prosecutor in this country is going to drop a concealed machete charge and let someone plead to an open container. obviously there is some phoniness about those charges he was not found guilty. >> there is a lot of charges he was found guilty of. convicted of assaulting his girlfriend, pleaded guilty to malicious destruction of property after threatening to kill a woman and her infant daughter the officer said in that case he said i'm going to kill you, your daughter and friends he advised he was good with a knife and could kill them easily. and on it goes he sdnlt sound like that good of

a person. >> you're reading some of the charges that are easy to make. >> convicted of assaulting a girlfriend? pleaded guilty. >> what was the penalty for assaulting this girlfriend? >> who cares he did it. >> often times, they use these charges as a custody fight. that is what happened in this case. >> nobody charged me with punching anyone or convicting anyone or threatening to kill someone and their infant daughter. do you know why? because i don't do these things. it's amazing how he continues to fall into law enforcement. >> i represented hundreds of young men at a prominent university nearby who get into tuesdayels and that is it. there was no serious injury this is a group grope. >> what was his dna doing on the pizza inside of the house? >> how do you know that pizza was found inside of the house? no one said thachl the pizza was

delivered outside. >> domino's delivered to the house. >> they also have video footage they say is him, running from the area. and listen the bottom line is that they made him the principle suspect. there is other evidence i promise you they have. they're not going to put this out across the country. looking for this guy for a mass murder, a barbaric murder if they didn't think it was him. >> robert? >> it's a barbaric murder but that is not him in the footage shown. >> how do you know? >> i know what he looks like. there is no facial features in that photograph in that video. >> have you spoken with him? >> i'm not going to comment on whether or not i've spoken with him. what is important is that there

is presumption of evidence and your guest seems to think there is a presumption of guilt. not in the united states. >> there is a manhunt underway. nobody else needs to get hurt the reason i've asked you if you've spoken with him, would you urge him to turn himself in as his family did? >> i would urge him to have a nice long talk about an attorney about where he was that day, his alibis and his future. >> so you don't want him to turn himself in? >> there is no talk of a gun in this case. why are they saying he's armed and dangerous? he is a nice person he is patriotic and tried to join the marines. he doesn't fit the stereo type or profile. >> a nice person. in 2005, his own father sought to ban him from the family home and elementary school and day care the 8-year-old sister

attended he doesn't sound that nice. >> there are no attempted murder charges in that case or any shooting charges. >> you're kidding me. under undermining your own credibility by making those outrageous statements sir. i appreciate your role as a defense attorney. >> because someone has an argument with a dad you're saying he's guilty of four homicides? don't think so. >> he's had a lot of arguments. it's more than just the dna on the pizza. >> there is other evidence they're not going to target this guy if they just had a piece of pizza crust. they know more stuff than we know. we don't know. they do know. i promise you, they won't be looking for this guy all over the country if they didn't think it was him. >> well new york is under a lot of tension tonight thinking this man committed this crime and is at large in this town. thank you both very much.

>> thank you. >> also tonight with terrorists racking ape victory in the middle east, why the white house is refusing to budge on what the washington post says is a failing strategy. plus hollywood about to rehe's a movie best known for a behind the scenes curse, allegedly a new kind of horror.

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breaking tonight, new questions for the white house as isis scores a second major victory in a week. today we heard reports the

islamic state run the city of described as a treasure left the administration again defending a strategy under fire. >> there's a lot of monday morning quarterbacking going on here. overall what we're talking about here is a strategy that builds the capacity of local fighters to fight for their own country and that is a significant departure from the strategy that's advocated by many republicans, which is a large scale american military deployment in iraq and syria that didn't work so well the last time we tried it. >> earlier i spoke to charles krauthammer, fox news contributor, author of "things that matter," newly released in paperback with a brand new session on the obama presidency. charles, thank you for being here. john ernest creating a false choice it's either you know all guns blazing, another invasion into iraq or what

president obama's doing. >> well that's exactly right. you present a false choice like that and then your only option is indecision passivity and defeat which is what the obama administration has chosen. when you hear josh ernest talking about the situation and saying well it's a setback but really our strategy is working, this is baghdad bob during the invasion of iraq itself in 2003 where the u.s. closing in on the capital and the official spokesman for saddam pretending the americans were on the run. this is embarrassing at this point, and, in fact there was a third strategic advance by isis today. they seized a keyboarder crossing between syria and iraq which will allow them to resupply more easily the anbar province that's under their control and ramadi. so this is a serious threat and i think there is no denying that the strategy is an abject failure. and, in fact you wonder about how serious is the president in

the first place. let me give you one example, the pentagon said that in the battle of ramadi a key capital in anbar, we had 135 air strikes in the last month. just to give you a comparison in the war in kosovo which is of infinitely less strategic importance to the united states we were averaging 10,000 a month and we were doing 165 in ramadi. this is not serious. this is for show. this is for the president to pretend he's doing something. but actually and actively and knowingly not doing anything. >> they seem to you know to be appealing to people's reluctance to do another 2003-style invasion and yet more and more we are hearing people from both sides of the aisle talk about how we don't have to go that far, but we do have to make a decision about the road we're on

now because it's going to come back to haunt us. this is richard clarke who was on another channel today who worked for reagan george h.w. bush george w. bush and bill clinton, and listen to what he had to say about it. >> it's a nation it's got a couple million people. it's larger than about three dozen nations that are in the u.n. it straddles the iraqi border. it's a country and it's going to train terrorists and send them places like here. people need to decide if they want to go back into iraq even a little bit, but they have to to stop isis because otherwise we're going to have a terrorist state and it will get around to threatening us here. >> charles, your thoughts? >> which is why we need a serious strategy. he's absolutely right. this is a state, this is al qaeda on steroids. al qaeda was hiding in caves that had the support of the afghan government, but it was in the periphery, as we learn from the osama bin laden documents that were now just released, he knew that was a side show. the real show was the middle

east it was north africa, and that's where isis is. isis has skipped over the al qaeda stages. bin laden's idea was to weaken the infidel first, then establish a fate. i think the genius of isis to understand the west particularly the obama administration is a demoralized enemy. you can establish the calafate now and it will be here. which is what happened. >> we went into afghanistan because they harbored terrorists who aimed to destroy the united states and what they are now saying is the same thing is happening. right now iraq is becoming and syria, becoming that home base for terrorists who will mean to destroy us. so the irony could be charles, if we sit back long enough on a strategy that even richard engel, the nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent called just plain stupidity, if we sit back long enough we are going to be going in with a full scale invasion if they grow and

metastasize as they have been. >> look in the end the greatest tragedy of this is as david petraeus told the washington post last month in an interview, the greatest tragedy of this is that it was unnecessary. as obama himself said in december 2011 we are leaving iraq stable secure and sovereign. self reliant. and as a result of the vacuum he created, we have iran rushing in on one side. it's now essentially in control of the regime in baghdad. and isis on the other side establishing a calafate coming into the vacuum. it's a predictable result and tragic one because obama chose to do it in a circumstance where there was no compulsion for us to completely evacuate iraq as he did. and that's why we're going to have to redo this but not by an invasion, but by cleverly using surrogates on the ground and by

arming them for god's sake. >> thank you for your expertise on it. >> my pleasure. well tonight the air of carson leno letterman is now over. now what that signals for america. plus the president this week weighed in on how our police are dressed. and brian kilmeade is next on that. along with a new study that finds men are faking being busy at work. and still managing to get promoted for it. brian knows something about this. next. i have great credit.

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from the world headquarters of fox news it's "the kelly file" with megyn kelly. >> earlier this week president obama banned the sale of some military hardware to police departments and issued new guidelines for law enforcement. he also weighed in on how cops dress, suggesting they need to try for softer looking police uniforms. brian kilmeade is the host of fox and friends, and i heard that and thought, what like the guy in the village people what does he want? >> well have you seen the village people and felt threatened? the answer is no. maybe powder blue, peaceful blue. >> steve martin remember the character in "parenthood"? >> that was not scary, that could be it. that's fantastic. wow. >> send him down to baptltimore. >> that's true. that is the sheriff. what the president says he looked at the problems and he

says the problem is the police are too intimidating making things worse by showing up with some of the military equipment they have and this thing called riot gear because something's about to start called a riot. so they are concerned about the helmet concerned about the shield sending a wrong message. i used to think from the civilian point of view that would be a reason not to riot because the police were ready and ready to act. they feel the president honestly feels when he went to camden new jersey when he made the announcement -- by the way, he commissioned this study after ferguson and put some people on a blue ribbon panel and said come up with new ideas. >> they want him in addition to the softer look to maintain open postures so when you see people coming at you, don't have riot gear you're wearing your pink outfit you're supposed to be like welcome to baltimore. all good all good peace, love understanding. ah! >> if you were a police officer, what are you thinking right now? i'm not showing up at my next riot. >> that's exactly what's happening. wait i have to move on to

something, because there's a real problem and you may be personally aware of this. men are apparently faking it at the office. women get accused of faking it elsewhere, men are faking it at the office. they are pretending to be hard workers when in fact they are not, and it's working. >> this woman not only speaks from personal experience also from a boston university study that put people in three categories one is person that does put in the 80 hours, other is the typical woman, sadly, listen i have a family on the outside, i'm only putting in 40 hours, call me in the weekends i'm not coming. the people that are most successful and have the perfect balance in life don't do the thing called being honest don't be honest say you work 80 hours but work 50. here's what you do schedule calls by your house, how about people cover for you instead of showing up. sweet talk some of your clients so they understand what's going on. >> i've seen you do this on "fox and friends," you leave for an entire block, sometimes two. what happened to him? now i get it you're in category three. >> i'm here to talk about a

study. this is not an indictment of brian kilmeade. how this boom ranged i don't know but i have a suggestion if megyn kelly who works 80 wants to work 50 here's my suggestions, first, megyn kelly goes to the park but she's still on the park because she told roger she's on assignment. >> that's true. >> megyn kelly has to have other people cover for her in case of emergency, she has sean hannity and bill o'reilly pick up your shifts and handle breaking news. teamwork attitude. >> people want to see that. >> absolutely. these are some of the things we can do. also when jeb bush wants you to come in on a saturday and do an interview, meet me in my garage get the green screen make it look like iowa but you're actually at home. >> bring corn. >> i could change your life megyn kelly. >> there's one other thing we have to get to tonight. it's back.

another poltergeist is coming out. and they say the first series was cursed. how many people have to die? >> five. five people died from the original poltergeist. dominic dunn who played dane dead. julian beck who plays henry cain dead of stomach cancer. will samson dead of kidney failure. like perryman who played pugsby killed with an ax. blond girl died of cardiac arrest. don't let this happen use some of your power in hollywood to stop another poltergeist, we're running out of actors. at the deaths. like 67 70. it was like people died. i don't know if you can attribute it to the curse. people died. >> okay. some might be natural causes. maybe it is not the occult. i would say it's a coincidence.

more than a coincidence. >> bottom line is if they asked cameo, would you do it? >> how much? that's basically it. i'm replacement. >> we know from the second topic you have all the time in the world great to see you. >> nice to see you, megyn. letterman gone. and howie is next on the new era for america. what does it mean to have an unlimited mileage warranty on a certified pre-owned mercedes-benz? what does it mean to drive as far as you want... for up to three years... and be covered? it means your odometer... is there to record... the memories. during the mercedes-benz certified pre-owned sales event now through june 1st you'll get complimentary pre-paid maintenance and receive your first two month's payments on us. only at your authorized mercedes-benz dealer.

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he could have on bill clinton or george bush. he has barack obama on the slow jam news. very talented guy. leno gone letterman gone the conversation i think there will be a lot less politics. that kind of migrated to comedy central. colbert giving up his wit-wing persona. >> jimmy kimmel still does interviews like that. but not the case so much on the "tonight show" anymore. what are we going to expect from colbert who is taking over for letterman? >> i think he will be a variety guy and not the guy we came to know on comedy central. i think carson everybody watched. letterman, they all watched. this is about making skits and youtube clips, chop it up. people watch it the next morning. so that's where i think it's no longer -- late night won't be as much a part of the national conversation and not as much of a part of the political

conversation. >> letterman would have people on from all different stripes. even though he's a liberal, he would have on conservatives. that's never going to happen with colbert. never. o'reilly in particular. i don't see him inviting a bunch of conservatives on there. am i wrong? >> i think letterman was a guy who really came to enjoy the combat. and i think he's been a little tad overpraised. after all, he was number two to leno all these years. but the media elite loves him. but it's going to change after him. >> save a little for the funeral, like you said. >> must be weird to watch everybody -- he didn't cry, he didn't blubber. >> i give him credit for that. there's no crying in late night. we'll be right back. don't go away. shopping online... ...is as easy as it gets. wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers carpenters and even piano tuners... were just as simple? thanks to angie's list now it is. start shopping online... ...from a list of top rated providers. visit angieslist.com today.

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people inside a d.c. mansion before setting the home on fire last week. the victims 46-year-old husband, his wife amy and son phillip and housekeeper were found when firefighters responded to the scene. the suspect had worked for his company, american iron works, in the past. police linked him to the murder scene after finding his dna on pizza crust. a federal source says went was arrested without incident and is in the custody of d.c. police. joining us now on the phone is ted williams d.c. lawyer and former homicide detective. now, ted, thanks for joining us again. you have been following this story today. from the scene, and penalople in the area they must be breathing a big sigh of relief tonight. >> absolutely. i was there