watters. everybody. thanks for watching this special edition of "the factor." i'm bill o'reilly. please remember the spin stops here because we are definitely looking out for you. welcome to a "kelly file" special, 2016 the race for the white house. i'm megyn kelly. there are six declared candidates. several more expected to join in the race in the coming weeks and up to 20 by the time we are done. whoever is the last one standing will likely face a hillary clinton who may or may not be damaged by the half dozen controversies she has so far largely ignored. here on "the kelly file" we sat down with ted cruz marco rube bow, carly fiorina among others and had two exclusive interviews with jeb bush and one with chris christie to get a sense of what they're planning and take stock of who they are as leaders. tonight we'll let you hear directly from the candidates so

you can decide who has the best ideas. but we begin with our fox news digital file editor. good to see you. so far with those who have declared has anyone significantly hurt himself or herself or helped him or herself? >> well there's a way to think about this all which is they're all -- i can tell you exactly why any of them cannot win the nomination. they're all disqualified therefore, none of them are disqualified. they all have damaged themselves. they've all have helped themselves. it's in the very early going but there's not much in that early going left. we are down to the beginning of the summer and these folks really only have a matter of about eight weeks, ten weeks until it's on this. is the preseason. the real stuff starts when they hit that debate stage, the fox news debate stage for the fox debate and then it's go time but right now in the early going, you can say that, yeah we can see some trends and start to pull some things out.

>> for example, jeb bush got hit for that answer he gave me then he spent a week trying to figure out what his answer was on the war in iraq. does any of that matter? it's may of 2015. does any of that matter when we go forward into the real election seeks. >> because these are foundational things it does matter. how you answer it the first time tells how much leeway you have to answer it the next time. people want straight talkers and be blunt and be straightforward and all adds up remember we're talking about a corps of party activists. you're stalking about a relatively small number deeply engaged in politic, primary voters who are tracking this stuff watching these interviews and make up their minds so even small thing, yeah even small things linger. >> let me ask you this. we'll play the interviews and the viewers will see two sort of lines of candidates. one that is sort of the core ideological wing and one that's more sort of the moderate mainstream wing of the republican party. in the end do you think it's going to come down to who wins

the first battle against would wins the second battle for the gop nomination? >> well you have to think jeb bush is a heavy almost prohibitive favorite for the sustainment lane but on the other side it is a free for all and could be anybody because we haven't even talked to john kasich. haven't seen what scott walker is going to do and have others on the periphery. of those you named they'll be ho hot contenders. ben carson who was a physician now at the top of the charts. he's the number one among the ideological group so this is a wide open wild race and that's why we love it. >> and love you, as well. great to see you tonight, chris, thanks for being here. >> you bet. he is the one presumed candidate who for better or worse has the most name recognition among the republican contenders and while former florida governor jeb bush has yet to officially declare he sent recently sat down with yours truly for an exclusive and wide-ranking interview that ended up causing this

front-runner some serious headaches. when we talked about one thing, iraq. take a look. let's talk about common core which is obviously an issue for you should you decide to get into the race with the gop base. now those that know common core really dislike it. the latest gallup poll put it at a8% of parents have a negative view. only 19% favor it. they say it makes though sense, it forces teaching to the test. they say kids are in tears over it. are they wrong? >> common core means a lot of things to different people so they could be right based on what is in front of them. i respect people having a view but the simple fact is we need higher standards. they need to be state driven the federal government should play no role in this either in the creation of standard content or curriculum. >> how are you going to get right with the gop base on this since they feel so overwhelmingly against it. >> i'll tell people what i think which is high standards are better than low standards and show them the record in florida

where we led the nation in terms of learning gains because we had -- we ended social promotion. we had the most dynamic school choice programs in the country. >> immigration is another potential sticky issue for you in the gop base. >> that's what i heard. >> and you told our own shannon a long time ago it's not a felony but an act of love and said -- but lots of crimes are committed out of love. that's my question to you. it doesn't stop their prosecution so what is it about illegal immigration? >> i think illegal managers ought to be punished by coming out from the shadows, earning legal status over an extended period of time where you pay a fine where you work where you don't receive government assistance where you learn english and don't -- where you're deported if you commit a crime as is the law. there are no -- there are very few other options i can see, the option of self-deportation is not i think that's practical and

rounding people up door to door isn't practical either. we need to inc. force the -- enforce the laws of our country for sure. enforce the border. 44% of illegal immigrants come with an illegal visa and stay. there are a lot of things we need to do but a practical solution of getting to fixing the legal system is also allowing for a path to legalized status. not necessarily citizenship. >> what about when you were governor of florida. you supported driver's licenses for instate illegal immigrants. you also supported instate tuition rates for the children of illegal immigrants and your critics say those are magnets. that will encourage more illegal immigration. >> it didn't happen in florida. i proposed support of a state senator's bill that never even got a hearing. as it relates to instate tuition it passed this year. if you've been here for an extended period of time you have no nexus to the country of your parents. what are we supposed to do? marginalize these people

forever. there has to be a point where we fix the system where legal immigration is easier than illegal immigration and show respect for people a kid that might have been here ten years that may be a valedictorian of their high school and say you're not allowed to go to college. i think there is a point past which we're over the line. >> your brother. >> marvin? >> yeah -- america wants to know -- >> marv is doing well thanks for asking. >> george w. bush and said reportedly that you said he's your top adviser on israel and the middle east. that you value his advice on foreign policy which will lead some to ask what specifically? right, so he got criticized by some for being a so-called neo neocon for promoting values of you know he said spreading freedom and ending tyranny but his detractors would say, you know he was pushing our values on other nations and getting us into wars we shouldn't have been in. >> i got the whole narrative comes my way on a regular basis. i love my brother and i respect

his service and in terms of living presidents and someone who has lived this and breathed it the fight against terror and our relationship starting with israel but how you build relationships with the countries that are so essential to create security in the world, i do rely on him and i respect his advice. >> on the subject of iraq. >> yep. >> obviously very controversial knowing what we know now would you have authorized the invasion? >> i would have and so would have hillary clinton, just to remind everybody and so would have almost everybody that was confronted with the intelligence they got. >> you don't think it was a mistake. >> in retrospect the intelligence that everybody saw that the world saw not just the united states was faulty. guess who thinks that those mistakes took place, as well? george w. bush. >> your brother. >> yeah i mean so just for the news flash to the world if they're trying to find places where there's big spaces between me and my brother this might not be one of those but important to

remind ourselves of lessons learned going forward. >> do you feel america's place in the world has diminished under president obama. >> if has. it has. name a country where america's prestige is better today than the day president obama took office. i can think of two. cuba and iran. >> many conservatives look at your potential candidacy and say i like him as a man and even as a politician but he is the worst possible candidate to put up against hillary clinton. because you cannot press one of her biggest downsides namely that the clintons are history, that that name is history, her candidacy feels old, and that the country needs a fresh start. do they have a point? >> megyn, i haven't been in washington over the last -- ever. i'm not part of washington. i got to serve as governor of a state, a purple state and i was the most successful conservative governor probably during the time that i was there. i'd say mitch daniels and jeb bush are the two most successful governors. i can tell that story and offer

ideas that are about the future not the past and i'm energetic and passionate about the needs, the things we need to fix. i don't feel old. i don't feel like yesterday's news and i'm not. >> well, from the former governor of a purple state to the current governor of a decided blue state, new jersey's chris christie is also undeclared but as he told me if he does run, he's not afraid of a challenge be it at home or abroad. >> 65-29% margin. the new jersey voters say you would not make a good president. they know you the best. why shouldn't we trust them. >> they want me to stay. a lot of those people that 65% want me to stay and i've heard that don't leave to run for president because we want you to stay. >> they say you would not make a good president. >> no i think people hear the question they want to hear. the fact is that polls in new jersey will go up and down i've been as high as 75 80% and as low as to 45% and it bounds

back because i do things of consequence that people agree with or disagree with. >> what about marco rubio or jeb bush some say they are appealing like you are but have less baggage. what would chris christie bring to the race as opposed to them? >> for instance i've been a leader in a state with a democratic legislature. nothing has been made easy for me and so from that mer speck tiff i think that's much better preparation for washington than if you're a governor with a state that has a legislature the same party as yours and as far as marco goes as i've said before i like him a lot. very good guy, bright guy but i believe the next president of the united states has to be a governor. >> he says governors like you don't deal with foreign policy every day and wouldn't be ready to lead on day one. >> foreign policy is something you can learn. you can't learn how to make decisions other than by making them. foreign policy you can learn. and i've been working real hard over the last nine ten months to do it and i think the speech that we gave today is a good indication that you can learn those things.

>> on the subject of immigration, are you for a path 0 citizenship. >> it's the way to go and what hillary clinton is doing is pandering. that's pandering. we need to have an intelligent conversation about this and bring the american people along to where we can find consensus. >> you say you are not for a path to citizenship but in 2010 on "this week" you said you were? >> i was in my first time as a governor and we've got to come up with a solution. i think immediately going to a path to citizenship as hillary clinton is proposing to do is just pandering and politics and not based upon an educated study of the issue. >> would you reverse president obama's executive action on illegal immigration? >> yes. >> right away? >> yeah because i believe it's illegal. >> so you signed a law that allows for in-state division for the children of illegal immigrants. you once sported a path to citizenship and common core and the nra gives you a "c" gray.

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well perhaps no 2016 candidate has suffered harsher treatment by the press than the first term senator out of texas. ted cruz. a conservative favorite he was the first republican to officially throw his hat in the ring and was promptly met with a series of ugly attacks from the mainstream media. but the senator responded to its all with a sense of humor as he made his case to the american people.

scary, dangerous and slimy, "the guardian" declaring you are done 48 hours you have declared and to that you say -- >> look there's nothing like the warm embrace of the mainstream media and i have to say -- i think one of my favorite comments was "the new york times" said in the last day that cruz cannot be nominated because the washington elite ss hate him and i have to admit my immediate thought was do i have to disclose that to the federal elections commission? i can't think of a better summary of why i'm running. if you're looking for a candidate embraced by the washington political elite, i ain't your guy. >> but what about "the wall street journal"? they're not exactly left wing pundits. they came out with a piece comparing you to then senator obama suggesting as charles krauthammer did we already tried the one-term senator thing and it didn't work out so well.

>> a lot have been throwing that attack and i have to say there are marked differences between my background and barack obama's. we're both first time senator. >> both went to harvard. >> both went to harvard but there are marked differences. in his time in the senate he was a back belcher. did not lead on any issues of real significance. in my time in the senate there are a lot of faults i have but nobody would accuse me of being a back belcher. what i've tried to do is lead on the great challenges of the day, whether it's stopping obamacare or stopping the out of control debt or stopping executive amnesty or defending constitutional rights or standing with israel or stopping iran from getting nuclear weapons. but secondly megyn, unlike barack obama before the senate i wasn't a community organizer. i spent 5 1/2 years as a solicitor general of texas, the chief lawyer for the state. >> on your time in the senate this is what some of your critics point to yes, you've led the fight but what have you accomplished? >> what we've accomplished over and over again in many instances is stopping bad things from

happening. remember the beginning of the second term of obama, we had the horrible shooting in sandy hook. and president obama didn't come out and say, let's go target violent criminals which is what he should have done and how we could have brought together bipartisan agreement. instead he used it as an excuse to go after law-abiding citizens. >> but how do you -- you know when you're the leader when you are the president you have to bring coalitions together to get things through. you can't be somebody who stops things. you have to be somebody who gets things through. >> you've got to do both. it's interesting. in the last two years, virtually nothing passed the senate. harry reid the democrat basically shut the senate down but as a freshman senator i had more legislation pass the senate than all but a handful of republicans. >> can you appeal beyond the conservative base as the"the wall street journal" again points out citing gop pollster -- hold on ayers who says even if he carries the same share of the white and minority voters as

george w. bush did in 2004 he would lose and handily. you need to expand the coalition. >> what i can tell you, when i got elected from the senate from texas, we saw a coalition come together. we reassembled the reagan coalition. we brought together conservatives and libertarians and evangelicals and women and young people and hispanics and reagan democrat. >> they all those people are being told you're scary, dangerous and slimy. i mean this is what you were up against is there they were told that in the texas senate race too. i was won 40% of the hispanic vote at the same time that mitt romney was getting clobbered with 27% of the hispanic vote. >> now he say you can't win it because of your tough stance on immigration. what do you say. >> when i ran for senate in texas i was un eeequivocally against amnesty. we have to secure the borers. we should reject amnesty and improve and streamline legal immigration. there's no greater advocate of legal immigration in the senate than i am. >> what do you like best about yourself that makes you think

you could hold this job of president? >> i love the constitution and i am fighting for freedom. i mean i wake up every day, i jump out of bed. i cannot tell you how thrilled i am because this country is in crisis and what an incredible privilege to be in the arena. >> senator ted cruz thank you for being here sir. >> thank you, megyn. just ahead one of senator cruz's biggest allies in the senate now one of his biggest competitors. we'll speak with kentucky senator rand paul about his candidacy, his libertarian streak and the heat he is already taking. plus he had big support in 2008 but will lightning strike twice for mike huckabee? the former arkansas governor is next.

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support i had was not exactly accurate because what i had in 2008 and what i think will happen this time is a coalition, a lot of them yes, evangelicals but a lot of people who are working class people who feel that the government of the united states has simply ignored them. left them behind forgotten them. >> now explained to me some the folks say he's this big government guy and he's not going to appeal to the republican base because of things like his position on illegal immigration. back in 2006 i think it was, you supported a path to citizenship and said locking up for deporting 12 million people isn't going to happen. do you tan by that. >> what we need to do is fix the board ir look i think everybody basically agrees that the problem is not a problem that people want to come to america. i don't blame people for wanting to come to america. i get on my knees every night and thank god people are trying to break into america and not out of it but we have to have control of the border which we don't. that's not so much a problem of people who want to come here. that's a problem off our

government not doing its job. >> secure the borders first. >> absolutely. >> on the size of government you said in 2008 i'm thought a republican because i grew up rich and as our piece documented you did not. you said i'm a republican because i didn't want to spend the rest of my life poor waiting for the government to rescue me. explain that. >> poverty is an industry in america. there are a lot of people who are poor in america who are poor because the government traps them. this nonsense people are boar because they want to be that's not true. people respect poor because they like to be more. they're poor because they don't feel like they got a chance and every time they reach for the next one on the ladder it's the boot of government that often comes crashing against their head because the programs penal penalize people for wanting to work harder. >> you say you've had experience running against the clinton machine. technically arkansas by the time you took the governor's mansion. how will that be an advantage. >> when people say they were gone bill clinton was governor for 12 years. that means a thousand people a year he appoint the to office.

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>> well from his filibuster on drones to his foreign policy nonintervention mantra the libertarians love kentucky's junior senator rand paul. but where he wins praise from some he opens himself up to hard questions from others like fox news contributor charles krauthammer. >> whatever name you want to put on paul's position isolationist or not interventionist he is without a doubt the one republican who will be running who is the closest to obama in his view of foreign policy. >> when i sat down with senator paul after his presidential announcement i asked him about krauthammer's criticism and much more. so let's start with charles krauthammer because he is beloved by so many in the republican party and people say if i have to choose between charles and rand paul who do i side with? >> here's the thing, you know i like charles. 'a fellow physician and we have a good personal relationship but

you know what sometimes he's just wrong and what i would say the reason he's wrong is that if you look at who's closest to president obama on foreign policy it would be the people who have supported his policies like the war in libya. i think the neocons both in our party have been very close to president obama on all of these issues the only place that they have differed is in degrees. i've been the one who opposed the war in libya. i was the one opposed to obama bombing assad when the -- the beginning of the syrian conflict began. i was the one opposed to obama's arming of the syrian rebel, the islamic rebels. see, the neocons have been in favor of all these things and they're actually much closer to president obama than i am. >> you have been saying a lot about neocons. in your mind who are they? what section of the republican party do you mean? >> it's more of a philosophy. >> bill kristol, lindsey graham. >> they will know when you talk about them.

they will know -- >> you have to fight before you can fight for any general election against hillary clinton, who i know you've been you know remarking on you have to win the gop nomination. and can you do it by alienating what was at least as of a few years ago said about 10% of the gop which is neocon surplus? >> yeah but here's the thing, megyn. i didn't start this. it's not my choice to start out by having a war with republicans. but i will tell you, for example, in polling in iowa about two months ago they asked the question are you -- do you favor rand paul's foreign policy of being less involved or do you favor john mccain anticipate policy of being more involved intervening for in war around the world and it's actually pretty evenly split. about half the republicans think, yeah john mccain is always right and we should have troops in 15 countries and be at war continuously but about half the party says you know what rand paul has a point. sometimes we get involved and it actually backfires on us. >> the thing that i've heard this week we had general michael

flynn, retired general michael flynn on the program. he used to rung up until july the defense intelligence agency and he and general jack keane and some other top military experts have said we're not talking all military. nobody is saying this is an all military battle but when it comes to fighting radical islam we'll have to be more aggressive and we'll have to have a multi multifaceted approach includeing boots on the ground and strong robust military option. do you agree with that? >> a lot of it as far as the boots on the ground though i would say the boots on the ground near to be arab boots on the ground. civilized islam has to rise up and be part of this. i think the jordanians have been provoked enough they will put the boots on the ground. i think the saudi arabians need to step up and want to see battalions where thousands of saudi arabians are marching at the front because they have been a big part of this problem over time. i think the qataris teed to be fighting in the front lines and kuwaitis need to be and the

turks need to be at the front lines but you got to have arab boots on the ground. >> shortly after paul declared marco rubio jumped into the race. he is perhaps the most mainstream of the three and won high praise for his announcement speech but there are some like conservative commentator ann coulter who believe senator rubio's support of comprehensive immigration reform back in 2013 will be a problem for gop voters. now people who say that rubio gives a good speech will say, well yes, but he's against it now, okay but that's the only thing he's ever done. >> i played that sound bite by ann only because she does speak for a wing of the republican party, conservatives when it comes to immigration reform who while they like you cannot get past the fact that you supported comprehensive immigration reform. >> first of all i want to put down as a maybe and second but here's the broader point we have a serious problem in america that has to be dealt with. as a senator i can't just be

giving speeches. i saw an issue and tried to solve it the best i could in a senate dominated by democrats. my hope was we would pass a bill that we could get as conservative as possible and send it over to the house and have them improve it even further. that was our hope. it didn't work out that way and i i said is simple. we still have to deal with immigration. i mentioned that last night but not able to do it until the american people have confidence that future illegal immigration will be brought under control and that is the big -- single biggest lesson of the last 2 1/2 years after not one but two executive amnesties and a migratory crisis on the border. >> i think it was npr today that you've done more than hillary clinton ever did on immigration. now, that may be true. but that's not necessarily the best way to endear yourself to conservatives considering whether they should nominate you for president. do you want to expand on that at all? >> yeah because the question was, you know hillary clinton is going to go out and talk about immigration and point to

our record and i would say i've engaged on this mosh more than she has including to this day. i have specific proposals about how to modernize the legal immigration system and make to it a merit based system. >> what about president obama and his executive order on immigration. you had told -- to your credit you predicted this entire scenario a couple of years ago and said if there's not a deal he's going to do it by executive order and affect about 6 million people and then the next president is going to be in a very tough position if he wants to revoke that order, or repeal that order. he said i cannot imagine a scenario where a future president will take away the status they are going to get. do you stand by that? would you take away that status? >> well i would. >> because rand paul says he would and ted cruz says he would so i'm trying to get whether marco rubio would. >> i would but that's going to be difficult. an outcry. it's going to be a very difficult issue politically to do. in my opinion it needs to be done if you don't do it you can't do anything on immigration. >> but then do you run, you risk

losing some of the latina support that you may otherwise have. >> well first of all the predominant issue in the hispanic community in america is what it is for all americans, that is the desire to have a better life for themselves and their children and that's the issue we need to focus our attention on all americans especially of hispanic descent are worried about. what i'm saying if you want -- if you are serious about moving forward and doing something on immigration that it's good for america, realistic and reasonable the first step has to be enforcement of our immigration laws. >> thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> all the best. from a poor childhood with no father to becoming a doctor at one of the world's most prestigious hospital we have the remarkable story of dr. ben carson and we'll ask him the tough questions including can a political novice truly run the united states of america? ♪ [music] ♪ jackie's heart attack didn't come with a warning.

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country. just reading up about you, you can't escape the profound influence that your mother had on your life and i'm really saving you from an alternate existence and i know you said the most important thing she did for you and she did so many was she taught you not to accept excuses. explain that. >> well she refused to be a victim herself and every time that we would come up with an excuse out of her mouth would come the poem yourself to blame. >> uh-huh. >> and pretty soon we got tired of hearing that poem so stopped looking for excuses. >> whether you think today in america we are cultivating a victimization culture. >> oh without question. and it's intergenerational now and it moles itself into an entitlement mentality where people think that they are old in existence and what we really

owe people is an opportunity and we have to reinstill that can do attitude that is so important in our nation. it's what drove this nation from no place to the pinnacle of the world and the highest pinnacle anybody else had ever reached and it doesn't have anything to do with one's ethnicity. it has to do with the american spirit. somehow we must bring that back. there are those who like to criticize america, tell us that we are an evil place because we had slavery, because we had japanese internment camps, you know we bombed hiroshima and nagasaki. we exterminated indians. you know give me a break. every country that's inhabited by human beings has made mistakes. the key is to learn from those mistakes and to move on. and if you say america is not exceptional then you're living in an alternate existence because before this country came along people did things the same way within 200 years of this

country, men were walking on the moon. >> accomplished quite a bit. let me ask you clearly have a can do attitude and people look at you and say he's not a politician he's not a military commander, he's not even a business guy so how does a doctor run the united states of america? >> well you know a lot of people think that only experience you can have is political experience. but the matter is i've had a tremendous amount of experience in doing complex things and in working with a lot of different people to do complex things. i've had a lot of experience in the business world. you know i said on the kel clog board for 18 years, costco board for 16 years as well as a number of other boards. started a nonprofit, my wife and i, as you know nine out of ten nonprofits failed. ours not only failed but active in all 50 states. >> what about foreign policy? that's something you admitted you don't know much about and

are studying up on it. why would the country entrust foreign policy to a self-admitted novice on the issue? >> well i've learned an enormous amount about foreign policy in the last few months so i'm ready to talk about it any time anybody wants to. >> let's talk about big government. you told me once on my show that you believe that president obama pushed obamacare because he believes in vladimir lenin's principle to rule the people you must control them. you said a couple of things like that which has some thinking that you sound conspiratorial and i've heard the word paranoid. i mean to that charge you say what? >> to that charge i say go read it for yourself. go read the writings of vladimir lenin yourself. i didn't make this stuff up. you can go and read it yourself. that's the best way to handle it. >> i want to get this question from matthew lecourt.

>> i'm interested in economic freedom and social freedom. what can you say to millennials with libertarian leanings on why we should vote for you in 2016? >> i would say for millennial or a young person you should vote for somebody who is looking out for your interests. 18 plus trillion dollar national debt and rising definitely not in your interest. you need somebody who has a plan for getting that under control, who recognizes that this country possesses the most powerful economic engine the world has ever known but it cannot function when we felter it with a gazillion regulations and with a tax structure that does not encourage entrepreneurial risk-taking and capital investment. we need to do that. we need to lower corporate tax rates. we need to have a reformation of our whole taxation system. >> dr. carson it's great to see you. how is your mom doing?

>> well you know she's -- she stopped eating and drinking but, you know, we went down there, we saw her, all the boys went and my wife played the violin. she opened her eyes. it was eyes. it was wonderful. >> god bless. we wish her all the best and thank you for being here on a busy and big week for you. and we continue to wish the carson family all the best. coming up the other political novice eyeing the highest office in the land. carly fiorina who says she could take on hillary clinton like no one else in this race. >> leadership takes experience and wisdom. i understand how the economy works. i know more world leaders on the stage today than anyone else running with the possible exception of hillary clinton. and i done business with them

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she's the only woman in the gop field. carly fiorina, a former secretary turned powerful ceo of a u.s. corporation who is now hoping to break the highest, hardest glass ceiling of them all. let's talk about leadership. what do you say is your single greatest qualification to lead? >> well i think it's knowing what leadership is. leadership is not the same as management. management is about doing the best you can within the status quo. leadership is about changing the status quo when it needs changing and it needs changing in washington right now. >> folks are saying everyone who held this office that she aspires to has been a politician

and elected to office and served in the u.s. military and she hasn't. >> the professional political class is a modern invention. ours is intended to be a citizen government. and we have come up with this idea that only professional politicians can run for office. what leadership takes is character. character to the point of your question. character is about being a person of integrity, of trust worthiness, of honesty. >> last time around mitt romney got hit for being too successful. they hung bane around his neck. how will you avoid that kind of attack. >> there are some who will attack my record at hp and i will hit back with the facts. we took a company in the middle of the worst technology recession in 25 years and took it from 44 billion to almost 90 billion and took the growth rate from 2% to 9% and tripled the rate of innovation.

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who do you like in this race so far? tell me what you think at facebook.com/thekellyfile. thank thanks for watching, i'm megyn kelly. this is "the kelly file." 296 of hillary clinton's e-mails at the state department have been released and there is troubling revelations. the e-mails contained classified information saying that clinton received now classified benghazi information on private e-mail servers. recall when hillary clinton denied any classified information came through that e-mail address? >> i did not e-mail any classified material to anyone on my e-mail. there is no classified material. so i certainly well