for much. that is it for us. thanks for watching this special edition of "the factor." i'm bill o'reilly and please always remember the spin stops right here. because we are definitely looking out for you. good evening, everyone. welcome to a "kelly file" special, defying the sword. i'm megyn kelly. on a warn sunday evening may 3rd of this year two would-be jihadis armed with assault style weapons and dressed in bulletproof vests drove from phoenix to dallas to attack an event they saw as an insult to the islam faith. they were reportedly sympathetic to the islamic state terror group and simpson had been on the fbi's radar for some years. the two were killed in the attempted attack but they did succeed in touching off a new and heated debate about radical islam and how best to confront it. the pair had targeted a cartoon

contest that featured caricatures of muhammad. considered a prophet by muslims. followers of islam deem that any physical depiction of him, even a positive one, is blasphemous. immediately after the incident a number of people started criticizing the event's organizer, pam geller included for, quote, going too far, and, quote, deliberately provoking, even inviting the attack. we'll get to that issue just a little later in the show. but first comes the question of how best to deal with a dangerous faction within islam which is attracting new converts like simpson and soufi every day. in recent months we have spoken with several muslims and former muslims who have become leading voices for reforming their faith. they have risked much to take this stand to defy the sword of the radicals and have suffered anger, scorn, even death threats as a result. tonight, you will meet them hear what they think about the problem and learn why they do

what they do knowing it could cost them everything. trace gallagher starts us off tonight with a story of a woman by the name of iyan. >> reporter: from her biggest advocates she receives the strongest praise. she receives death threats. day-to-day she has no idea which side she'll come in contact with and yet she continues to fight for women and against islam. because she says it's where her journey has brought her. >> i remember distinctly as a teenager when we just used to be regular muslims and when things started to change and members of our own community started to preach what they were preaching was hostile to women. >> she was born in mogadishu, somalia, the daughter of a somali politician an outspoken man whose political opinion at times cost him his freedom.

the family left somalia for saudi arabia then ethiopia before finally settling in kenya. throughout her school years, she received a strict muslim education, but in 1992 to escape what she says was an arranged marriage to a distant cousin she fled to the netherlands and was given political asylum. after graduating with a master's in political science, she became a critic of islam and the dutch government. but it wasn't until 9/11 after listening to osama bin laden cite the koran to justify the attack did she become completely disenchanted with islam. saying it must be defeated and crushed. in 2003 she ran for and won a seat in the dutch parliament. championing immigration reform. while still fighting for the rights of muslim women and against the abuse of young muslim girls for being subjected to female genital mutilation something her father also

opposed. but because he was in prison her maternal grandmother had the procedure performed on her at the age of 5. >> genital mutilation is practiced for the same reason that girls are locked up. the same reason that there are child brides. the same reason that we are supposed to cover ourselves from head to toe. it's this obsession with controlling our sexuality. >> in 2004 she worked with filmmaker theo van gogh to create submission, depicting islam as a religion that abuses woman. after it aired on television van gogh was murdered with a letter pinned to his body calling for the death of ali. she was asked on "the kelly file" about any regrets. >> do you wish you didn't make the movie? >> absolutely not. i feel the only way we really have a chance of fighting these barbarians is by talking about it by expressing ourselves. >> and it's worth it to you,

despite the danger that has obviously been posed to your own life? >> it is worth to me because i love life more than i love death. they love death. that message is so much stronger than anything they put out there. >> in 2005 "time" magazine named ali one of the world's 100 most influential people. in 2006, "readers' digest" named her european of the year. he's she's she has also written several books, has regular and often controversial speaking engagements and founded an organization for women's rights. ali now claims to have a better understanding of rad cam islam. >> you actually do understand this ideology. >> i understand it and they make very clear what it is that motivates them. >> joining me now, the founder of the ali foundation and author of the new book "heretic."

great to see you. >> thank you so much for having me on. >> this is a very bold, brave book. you go to the heart of it talking an howtalk ing about how the problem in your view is within the islamic faith yourself. you're calling for a reformation that's a five-point plan. at heart of the plan one of the things that you push is that the islamic faith needs to get rid of sharia law in response the critics say that guts the entire faith altogether. you're asking muslims to turn into atheists. is that a fair charge? >> i think it's an unfair charge in considering these amendments that i'm proposing, i asked myself the question that some of my muslim students asked me when they challenged me said if you take this out, what's going do be left of islam? well praying five times a day it going to be left fasting in the month of ramadan, taking care of the poor. if you want to two to america,

you you can do all that and confess to believe in one god. if you do those things you can still be a muslim along with all the other traditions and rituals. you can enjoy religion as a function of community and social spirituality without hurting other people. >> you want to change people's attitudes toward the koran, you want people to believe and focus more on life after death as opposed to death after life. >> i want people to emphasize life before death as opposed to life after death. this life after death thing we created a narrative of death. you have mothers -- when their sons kill people and in the process die. they celebrate them because there's this belief that was developed over years that if you die, you're going to be rewarded in heaven and that reward is clearly spelled out. we need to get rid of that. we need for muslims to say,

especially american muslims, western muslims to distance themselves from that narrative of death. >> let's talk about you and your story. trace walked us through it what happened to you. from the mutilation all the way through to the murder of theo van gogh with a knife in his chest calling for your murder. and, you know to this day your life is threatened and in jeopardy because you have spoken out. how do you do it ayaan? under such threat 24/7? >> yeah. >> when we see that it's not like these terrorists are standing down. i mean we see these murders just in texas the attempted murder for just drawing muhammad never mind saying what you say. how do you do it? >> it's exhausting but it's worth it. and i honestly don't see any other way of again, exposing this agenda of islamists. they have this ideology they're targeting muslim individuals. i was a muslim individual within a muslim family in a muslim neighborhood. they penetrated our neighborhood and our schools and they

convinced me as a teenager that this was a better narrative for humanity. >> but there was a time that you believed as they believe? >> exactly. and i was convinced and i didn't have my faculties of critical thinking developed. and over time i'm now 45 years old, over time of course i've come to understand that if back then we had as children as teenagers, as young adults if we had our faculties of critical thinking developed we would have completely told them oh no no no, i'm not going to offer my life for what you believe, and why should i? >> how did you get pulled out of it? >> in many ways of course i was fortunate, but i have had the fortune to be educated. i left the path that my father chose for me. i didn't go to live with a husband that he picked for me. i instead asked for asylum in the netherlands. there i started to ask the questions. i'm very fortunate and very happy and i thank my professors at yustuniversity for teaching me how to think, not what to think.

by the time 9/11 came around i was 31 years old, i thought, goodness do i agree with what these young men? no i did not. then that means i'm distancing myself from the koran and from the prophet muhammad. but if i do that i'll go along with my conscience. so i had this conflict between my own conscience and what i was being told by my god in the koran and by my prophet. i decided to go along with my conscience. >> we're going to have much more with ayaan hirsi ali in a moment. stand by. still ahead we'll speak with a muslim woman who once sat and watched decapitation videos to better understand these terrorists. we'll get here take on how political correctness and the media may both be helping the spread of radical islam. up next you'll meet the man who calls himself an american muslim patriot and learn why he is worried the extremist may be winning against free speech and other american values. >> the muslim community is being told by the president of the united states our leaders are the people that don't care about this cancer that not only is

radicalizing muslims in america, canada, paris, elsewhere, but destroying our communities that have an opportunity for reform in egypt, syria, and elsewhere.

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welcome back to our "kelly file" special "defying the sword." tonight we're speaking with several muslims and former muslims who have taken a risky public stand to point to the threat of radical islam, including our next guest. zuz his parents left syria in the 1960s fleeing a repressive regime. he was born in wisconsin, devout muslim brought up in a mosque built by his own family. >> that small town mosque immersed in the glow of a newfound freedom taught me the love of country, love of liberty, and love of faith. >> he first experienced a very different kind of islam than the one he was taught by his parents. zudi says very early on her recognized that political islam was eating away at his religion. zudi ended up joining the u.s. navy earning his medical degree on a military scholarship

serving 11 years and leaving service as a lieutenant commander. in 1999 zudi moved to arizona to take over his father's medical practice and then 9/11 happened. the murder of thousands at the hands of radical islamic terrorists compelled dr. jasser to act. he helped found and today he's the president of the american islamic forum for democracy. or aifd. an organization dedicated to fighting the dangerous ideology now known as radical islam. the aifd has become one of the most prominent american-muslim groups in the united states and has made him a target for critics. >> for dr. jasser to come here and act like muslims is the problem i think is erroneous. i think people who want to engage in nothing less than muslim hating really love you a lot. >> despite the backlash he has continued sharing his warnings from college lecture halls to the floor of the u.s. congress. >> if anything is growing with the growth of islamist

radicalism in the middle east and see islamist parties coming to power. >> joining me author of "the battle for the soul of islam." doc, good to see you. thank you very much wering if here tonight. ayaan hirsi ali has a message, is yours about islam itself or radical islam? >> the need for reform about liberty, about the enemy and getting it right which is political islam, so what is political islam? it's the belief in theocracy, belief of the identity of the islamic state so this problem is huge. the magnitude, we're talking about movements that include hundreds of millions out of the 1.6 billion muslims and as i realize at the university of wisconsin my faith is not just a personal journey with god but has been inextricably intertwined with the identity of the islamic state. and if there's anything i

learned and i learned from my parents who were american compatriots, what america got right with its battle against theocracy and we muslims need to go through that same battle. >> but so just to take a step back because ayaan left the muslim faith. i mean, she is to longer a believer and she's been through so much. one can hardly blame her. however, you grew up in a different kind of islam, taught different things. so you know for those out there believing that all of islam is radical and would create jihadis, is that true? do you believe that? >> absolutely not. i mean the islam that i learned and learned from my parents, my grandfather, one was a newspaper writer who served his country in syria and was put in jail for those beliefs. my other grandfather was a sharia court judge. we were learned values that were individuals, we could decide what was islam and what wasn't. so certainly there are forms of islam out there that are

theocratic dominating 56 muslim majority countries but the islam i learned was a personal faith with no central authority, with a personal relationship with god. >> so it's the rise of political islam that we're seeing more and more of. are we seeing that here? i mean obviously we have some cases, but are we seeing that here domestically inside the united states? >> oh absolutely. the people that claim to speak for our faith were fertilized and grown and sprouted by the saudis but the qataris and others. most of the movements that are organized that use islam as an identity in america started in the '60s with the muslim student association that are what i call muslim brotherhood legacy groups. >> ayaan has a five-point plan to reform islam and has been attacked by those, as i mentioned to her, they say what she's pushing is atheism if you get rid of the five things she wants to get rid of. what do you say is the answer? >> i think the answer is for us to come to terms with the fact that much of what is considered

to be islamic law kills apostates, based in blasphemy laws. second third, fourth class citizenship to women. they don't get right to equality. half the vote of man quarter of the inheritance. all the things need to be looked at by scholars that are american believe in liberty first, can reform these things. the first step is to defeat the islamic state concept then in the next generation will come new schools of thought of sharia that build first on the foundation of liberty and our first amendment and that movement can happen if americans get behind the need to take sides within the house of islam and not become anti-islam. >> zuhdi, always interesting hearing you. we'll be back to you in a moment as well with ayaan. we're hearing form and current muslims warning about the threat from radical islam, there are some in the faith who think our guests are the real threat. one of those folks will join us

for a must-see debate just ahead. and up next -- [ sirens ] >> -- a muslim doctor who says her experience treating the survivors of 9/11 changed her political world view forever. right after this break, conta ahmed on why america may be falling behind in the fight against the radicals. almost every time we do a segment on this subject -- >> excellent observation. >> -- we get complaints from c.a.r.e. that we're islamophobic and on it goes. >> excellent observation because islamophobia is a means to silence it. it's an absolutely i say malignant strategy and very few people are brave enough to confront this. (music) boys? (music)

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london raised in the islamic faith. >> i'm the granddaughter of muslims born in india. >> she earned her medical degree at the university of nottingham took a job practicing and teaching medicine in a country she thought she understood saudi arabia. it was while she was there that the attacks of september 11th happened. she was stunned by the reaction some colleagues and fellow muslims did not share her feelings of horror at the loss of innocent life. in 2010 dr. ahmed moved to new york city to continue her medical career. then another turning point. for the first time she saw recruitment videos of child jihadists ritualistically killing adults in the name of islam. qanta traveled to her parents' homeland pakistan visiting a school that rehabilitated children who were brainwashed by islamists. in 2012 she testified before the house homeland security committee on radical islam in the united states.slamism is a political ideology with totalitarian missions.

>> dr. qanta ahmed joins me now. author of "in the land of invisible woman." what a great title, doctor. good to see you tonight. "in the land of invisible women" is right. that's one issue we have yet to fully explore and that is something that drove ayaan to have the views that she has and that is something you share with her, the treatment of women and how abhorrent it is in some factions of islam. >> yes, megyn. thanks for tracking me down in jerusalem where actually i'm participating in talks to combat anti-semitism which is a central belief in political islamism. i have all the privileges that you just mentioned, international travel education, freedom of movement ability to hold wealth because of the islam my parents gave me. and yet all of those privileges are contracted under islamism. much of what ayaan speaks about is absolutely rings true when it comes to political islamism. and she's careful to point out this is not the sum of islam.

gender apartheid is one manifestation of that. islamist anti-semitism is another very threatening. and making anything other including myself or other members who are participating in this important piece, because we are nonislamists we are also -- this is absolutely anathema to what i understand to be islam. >> even in doing this special people will say the whole thing, even discussing this is somehow islamophobic. it's like you cannot discuss the islamist faction of islam without being accused of islamophobia. >> you're absolutely right, megyn, and you've led the decision on discussion on "the kelly file." we spoke about the documentary i participated with ayaan and i have been accused not just in media but also in person at rutgers university of being an islamophobe for raising this.

this is a bold attempt by islamists to shut down critical scrutiny of them. islam is robust. it's a faith that consisted for 14 centuries. it can withstand criticism, it can withstand all kinds of slander. it can withstand cartoons being drawn about it. but islamism is fragile. you scrutinize it and it crumbles. so islamism is a useful word and yes i combat it. it does inspire decapitations that were so rare i needed to see them with a terror expert five years ago. now they're everyday common mace on twitter if you want to look at what islamic state is doing. >> at what point does being a muslim being a follower of islam, convert, you know transfer over into islamsism? >> a great question. ayaan explained it very clearly. the inability to think critically. and a basic tool is to be able to decide what is moral and what

is consistent with the large overarching ideals of islam? you take out critical thinking you take out faith literacy and you can indoctrinate armies of children and youth that this is islam when actually it's bold political totalitarian ideology with very violent intent. you teach armies of children you will benefit if you commit homicide and also lose your life in the process. they have no ability to distinguish that. they will do it readily. >> it's basically what is written is written. what you know the radicals believe, they believe. but the difference is modernity, reason and critical thinking and we're going to pick up on that point still ahead. as i stand you by, doctor. thank you. we have ayaan hirsi ali coming back and the man who called her book the worst thing ever written. he sees things very differently. they will debate up next. plus -- ♪

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welcome back now to our "kelly file" special "defying the sword." tonight we're looking at the issue of radical islam and how best to deal with it. in her new book "heretic" ayaan hirsi ali says islam needs a gut renovation. not everyone agrees. a fellow at the institute for

social policy and understanding. and also back with us now is ayaan hirsi ali. let me start with you. what is it about ayaan's call for a repformation with which you disagree it. >> two things. the first is she has no traction in the muslim community. if we're interested in tackling radical islam, we should be she doesn't have an audience, doesn't have traction. if you're talking about a reform trying to stop a real problem in the modern day it should be a problem people are willing to listen to. second more seriously, her whole idea is -- she says islam needs a reformation to stop extremism but islam already had a reformation and it's the reason we have extremism. her solution to the problem is actually the cause of the problem. if we want to keep america safe and be safer ourself we would two betdo better to look elsewhere. >> what is your solution to this problem? >> well there's no single solution. these are different societies and different places. one of the solutions is to create democratic societies to allow room for debate have

better foreign policy better conversations. one solution is to work incrementally toward change and not expect things to flip overnight. >> the problem is people like ayaan have come out, spoken out about their experiences in the islamic faith and in particular the treatment of women. we see a backlash against them calling them islamophobic and even death threats. some groups within the islamic faith prove her point by threatening her life for speaking out against islam. >> absolutely true. unacceptable. violence against anyone is unacceptable. >> is there anything we can be saying or discussing here in the united states that can get us past that or that can stop this problem at least within our borders? >> well there is no problem within our borders. >> there isn't? >> look at what happened in dallas texas. two men already known to the fbi, already radicalized attacked an event. no american organization made a

protest against the event. the men did not bring up radical ideas in their mosque. the minute they brought them up they'd be reported. >> isis has a presence in all 50 states. we have an issue. >> with respect the fbi says the number one terror threat in america is domestic right-wing groups. let's quote all of the fbi. >> the right wing groups are more of a threat to america than radical islam? >> i'm saying what the fbi is saying. you quoted the fbi. i'm going with that. >> that's what you think we should focus on? >> i think we should focus on both but at the same time we should recognize -- >> how, how here in the united states do we focus on the problem of radical islam? >> well, part of the problem is we make these sweeping generalizations about islam that make us less safe. look law enforcement has limited resources. >> how do they make us less safe? >> i'll finish the thought. we can't look at everyone. and if we have this idea that every single muslim is suspect, that everyone is secretly an islamist or jihadist we're

basically diluting our resources. >> who says every muslim is a suspect? >> ayaan does. she regularly conflates muslims with extremists calls for war on islam. she called in an interview in 2007 a war with islam. she said radicalism said it on this show just now, radicalism -- >> let me let her respond. she's sitting right here. go ahead, ayaan. >> i invite this man to read my latest book. i distinguish between three sets of muslims. a narrative about jihad, about sharia law, life after death instead of life before death. and they're targeting muslim families puzmuslim individuals and muslim communities here and elsewhere. i also say the vast majority of muslims are peace loving. i put them under the umbrella and their children they are being targeted in many different many ways by these radicals. and then there is this group of reforming muslims.

you've just mentioned jasser and many, many more. i think what this gentleman is doing is obfuscating. he is trying to distract us from -- and he himself, may in fact be part of this medina muslim group because there are different ways the medina muslims try to silence this discussion on what is going on the radical islam, political islam. if you want to distract attention from that you focus on the people like me who are born within islam who are saying hey, look there are people individuals among us who are trying to -- >> you attack the messenger. >> and they attack the messenger. >> we've seen that done repeatedly. haroon -- >> she just accused me of being a medina muslim. this is exactly what i'm saying. this is not a serious conversation. if we want to talk about fact the overwhelming majority of american muslims including

conservative american muslims are happily integrated. yes, i said it at the beginning there is a threat a radical threat. i'm not denying it. i think it would be extremely grossly irresponsible to deny it. i'm simply asking is it a great a threat as we think it is? >> what do you think is the solution to solving the problem of radical islam within the united states? >> there isn't a problem -- >> you just acknowledged there. >> beyond -- hold on. i didn't finish. >> we have isis in all 50 states. >> i didn't finish what i said. first of all we don't have isis in 50 states. >> the fbi says we do. >> the group in texas not actually connected to isis -- >> you're the one who put the credence in the fbi. new you're telling me we can't listen to the fbi. >> thirdly, all i'm saying is there is not isis in 50 states. >> now on this point you know better than the fbi but when it's right wing extremists you don't? >> i already stated it. >> let -- this is -- here's the problem, haroon. if you're saying radical islam

is a problem in the united states which you did initially, now you're saying it's not, when you say you don't acknowledge it it diminishes your own credibility. it makes the audience think you're not the one who serious. the point about peace-loving muslims in america is well taken. i'm trying to get you to offer a useful solution on the non-peace loving muslims in united states. >> sure. i'd be happy to elaborate on the kind of work we're doing. every muslim community i've ever worked with in the united states has talked about working with law enforcement and better ways to work with law enforcement. we're doing it right now. what i'm saying radical islam is not the threat we're making it out to be, i'm not denying there's a threat. i'm denying the scale of the threat. i'm also pointing the viewers' attention to the fact we are working on this we are american. of course we're concerned about this. i deal on a regular basis with muslim communities, parents have to worry about every single thing a regular parent does and have to worry about if their child is going to be lured into this evil ideology. it is a problem. my concern with ayaan's book i

read the book reviewed the book it's not going to keep us safe. the solution she's proposing is not going to get any traction not going to go anywhere. >> i'll give you a quick response. >> not gaining traction i get e-mails, text messages i get acknowledgements from muslims on twitter. you know the most common line that they write? we thank you for being out there because i can't be out there, i can't be out there because i'll be disowned by my family. people who support me and think like me and who know that there is a problem within and want to solve it you can't hear them and you can't see them because they are threatened and this gentleman is not speaking for them or on behalf of them. >> i thank both of you for being here. ayaan, haroon. thank you. i appreciate it. when we return how far should folks go to challenge radical islam?

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welcome back to our "kelly file" special "defying the sword." may 3rd a group in garland, texas, held a contest to draw pictures of muhammad, act considered an insult to the faith. event organizers were trying to make point about free speech in america and spent thousands on extra security to protect themselves. both the fbi and local police were on alert. sure enough two young muslim jihadis showed up with weapons and body armor but were killed by police before they could get inside. immediately the accusations began. organizers had deliberately provoked this attack inviting their own attempted murder. we wanted to put that to our panel. back now, author and lecturer dr. ayaan hirsi ali. dr. zuhdi jasser. author and physician, dr. qanta

ahmed. thank you for being back. let me start with you. your thoughts on garland? >> democracy as we know it secular democracy is extremely robust provocations like whatever w labeled in texas, a cartoon contest. but democracy is also a tool use by islamists to augment islamism. to say that democracy is the solution shows a deep lack of understanding of islam. as an observant muslim it doesn't affect me an iota. it's a fictional crime prosecuted by islamists. if america wants to have these contests they're free to do it? >> what did you make of that. it was shocking i thought to see so many people rush to condemn the event organizers who i admit

is not the most sympathetic group. but put that aside. the church was not a simp thatic group but it was very clear from eight of the nine supreme court members that they had the right to say what they were saying. >> it belies the fact of why america is the most understanding place in the world. they call this provocation and yet our work and other reformers are bigger prooccasions to islamic states. they want to call this provocation because under the guise of things that do offend almost every muz lick like criticizing the prophet muhammad they can call us islamophobes et cetera. >> what amazed me was how quick people were to check our american values. we stand for free speech and they labeled it hate speech which is constitutional.

yaw may not enjoy it but it's constitutional. instead, try to appease a faction of islam that would have the speech shut down. >> adam govnick of the new yorker made a distinction, he was defending an award of courage to the survivors and there were a number of prominent authors from north america who went through. and in that defense, he lectured them on not understanding the distix between acts of imagination and acts of violence. and the first amendment is about protecting acts of imagination. and what happened in garland, the cartoon contest was an act of imagination. and this response of the two men who drove 1,000 miles was an act

of violence. all of us unanimously have to condemn them those engaged in the act of violence without saying a word about those who are engaged in an act of imagination, even if we don't like what they're doing. >> when we so many pile on the organizers of the event, it felt like we were losing a little bit of our ideals because this is exactly what they want to shut us up to say certain things are off limits and can't be discussed because we a group, finds them offensive. so we will impose our ideals on the majority on the masses >> muslims are told someone ridicules, you must walk away from peace. that's islam. we didn't see that happening in texas. the united states has given

incredible freedom of people of all faith to enjoy this. that is not the case in other cases. the attempt to sully the privileges of the united states is a victory for anyone who is a patron or client or purveyor of islamism. >> how do you draw the distinction between the muslims who would like to fight it and don't like what it's doing to the perception of muslims at large to some extent and those, for example, our last guest who came out and wanted to equate radical islam with right wing extremism, you know that's a much bigger problem here in the united states. when it's like i don't know. i mean there are some examples of it but we're not seeing beheadings you know that often by right-wing extremists near the united states. none come to mind. >> well i think the distinction is the bottom line is do

individuals who came to speak as muslims recognize the deeper problem or are they dealing with violence and apologetics. if they say the problem is violence that's absurd. what is the end game. if they want to do it peacefully. the end >> thank you for your thoughts and participation tonight. appreciate it greatly. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ just because your bladder is changing doesn't mean you have to. with tena's unique super-absorbent micro-beads that lock in moisture and odor... you can keep being the one with a new story. tena - lets you be you.

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