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fbi agents were able to smuggle mock explosives in 67 out of 70 attempts. mustangs and sports cars are part of the growing list of those effected by the air bag recall. they can potentially inflate with too much force. at least six deaths and dozens of of injuries have been linked to faulty devices. "kennedy" starts right now. fought the revolution over. i'm not going to take it anymore. i don't think the american people are going to take it anymore. >> senator rand paul under fire after fighting to let key
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provisions of the patriot act expire. >> some of them'nn> the outspoken 2016 gop presidential candidate is is here to respond to his critics. plus it is being called the ferguson effect. murders and violent crimes are soaring in major cities across the country. is the war on cops to blame? we're bringing in people from primitive cultures and then expegt expegt pechting them to just turn into middle class americans. >> also, the author of adios, the plan to turn their plan into a third world hell hole. an coul[,n$ñ scares off in a heated debate over immigration. welcome to hannity tonight. key provisions of the patriot act have expired and the nsa's controversial metadata program has been shut down.
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at least for now. this comes after the senate failed to extend certain patriot act measures last night in a move some are calling a victory for personal privacy rights while others are warning it could have a devastating impact on ouruk(urjá security. joining me now is the author, jim sensenbrenner. you wrote the0> i remember interviewing you at the time and many times there after. is what is happening now what the law allowed data mining people's electronic communications meaning the american people. >> no. clearly, no. and there is a specific prohibition on data mining in the original patriot act, which former majority leader dick armey and i insisted on putting in there. the problem is that the secret fisa court termed the word
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relevance on its head and authorized the nsa to go data mining and collection. which the house passed overwhelming and the author of the patriot act puts an end to bulk collection of americans -- not just under the patriot act and other laws the law which was not a part of the patriot act. >> specifically, i think most americans need to know this. are many americans,+.ñ it's not all americans. they are e-mails, there text messages, are there phone conversations. are they being recorded without their knowledge right now. >> phone conversations require a court order. howeverázj2ue-mails, the texts, facebook post twitter feeds and things like that do not require a court order. so the answer is as i don't honestly know whether the
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nonvoice !knversations are being kept, but i can say is the freedom act prohibits doing that for all americans. t and that's why it ought to pass. >> when i interviewed you last on radio, you told me you believed that most americans conversations have been intercepted by the government and are being stored inlrh lake city utah some place. >> the nsa got a huge electronics storage facility west of salt lake city utah. the difference between what the nsa has been doing and the freedom act is the government will no longer store any records. and if they something that one who is suspected of terrorism might be up to they have to go and get a warrant and then the phone company would end up giving them the information pursuant to a warrant that was issued by a
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judge. >> all right, now, you're talking specifically about the usa freedom act, which passed in the house, which will be debated sometime tomorrow in the senate. is is it your belief congressman that most people's electronic communications have government and stored against the law you wrote? is that your belief? >> it certainly the is. and that's why my bill, the freedom act, puts a stop to it and that's why it ought to be passed as soon as possible. and you know, i regret the delay in the senate in passing the freedomul$yh act because it does also reinstate certain authorities such as the court ordered rovingis wiretap as well as the lone wolf terrorism provision and those are really noncontroversial but have gone down as a result of the senate's delay. >> the main provision is section 215 and you believe
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the usa freedom act, if implemented, will balance concerns over civil libber the is. >> absolutely and that's the only way we can do this. what senator mcdonnell ought to do is to tip the scales in favor of national security. we would not be the countyry we are today if it weren't for concerns over privacy and civil liberties which are part of the bill of rights. >> now, this debate over privacy versus national security the patriot act, is poised the rage on. my next guest has vowed, vehemently leading the charge against the nsa's bulk data/d programming including the last night on the senate floor. watch this. >> one of the things about the fourth amendment that was the biggest part of the fourth amendment for our founding fathers was that a warrant should be individualized. general warrants are what we
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fought the revolution over. i came here to defend the bill of rights and the constitution popular or not.ep but i franklyói$ink that the bill of rights and the constitution are ver_%ñ popular, very important and i will continue as long as i have breath and as long as i'm here to defend them. >> here is the author of the new book, taking stand. 2016, republican presidential candidate, kentucky aba7ssenator, rand paul. let's take a look at the fourth amendment to our institution. it's very clear. the right of the people to be secure in their persons, housesjw/h papers and affects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated and no warrant shall issue be beyond probable cause or be beyond oath or affirmation and particularly describing the place to be searched and the things or persons to be seized. what jim is describing this
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controversial section 215 was not what the patriot act allowed for, but he says it's happening. our electronic communications have been taken without consideration of civil lib er liberties. is that your biggest concern? >> yes. the other is that this is illegal. a court has said it's illegal and yet president obama continues to collect these records despite the court tell ing him it's illegal and it's funny how you get this deflection for the president. the president always wants to blame mb else so right now, he's blaming us in congress for not doing what needs to be done but the whole program started eded with the president and is is inl9m defiance of what the congress said. yet the president's doing it any way so the good success that will come out of this week and i hope this will be a success in the sense that i've spent a lot of tyke tauminging about this, is that from now on, the president will not be allowed to collect any records and tore them in the form of a general
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warrant. it will have to be individualized. >> are you going to support the (]; usa freedom act which would allow the phone companies to store the data, then it would take a court order to get this information they have then stored? is that acceptable to you? >> i support the freedom act in ending the bulk collection of the government records. i still fearful we may be collection bulk collection by the government with bulk collection and searching at the phone companies. i would like it to be individualized, where when we look at phone records, we look at the records of terrorists but not of large dproups of people. the usa freedom act will still allow a corporation to be searched and if that were verizon or at&t we might be right back where we started, so i still have concerns, but i am complimentary of those and nart lee and leahy, who have pushed for ending. >> very weird coalitions here
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because in a post 9/11 world, we have got to be concerned about national security. we have radical islamic enemies who want another 9/11 or worse to occur in this country. but this act specifically prohibited what's going on right now and that's where my concern is especially in a day and age where the irs would abuse its power and target conservative groups. would they use in information for some time of nefarious purpose against an individual citizen? is that your concern? >> yes, very much so and there have been also been times in our history where we used general warrants. when we incarcerated the japanese americans in world war ii. eves dropped on civil rights protesters. so there have been times we made mistakes but i want to look at the records of terrorists. i just want the warrants to be individualized. i would rather look at more records of terrorists but less of innocent americans.
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>> let's look at the criticism. it has been sharp, almost ewanerer universal universal. >> i think senator paul is doing a disservice to the country when he makes these charms. he's making the cia and nrk sa the enemy. i think folks like those arguing against it have a severe case of amnesia amnesia, of what this country felt like and experienced in the days after 9/11. >> has amnesia or a deepwu? id yol ji. >> i think he's wrong. i don't why if it's going toh" happen on wednesday or thursday, he doesn't allow it to happen today. it is simply putting americans atyh risk for a political reason. i think it's wrong and i think it's unfortunate. >> what's your reaction to that? i know for myself, i supported the patriot act. i want the nsa, cia and fbi doing their jobs. >> what i would do the first thing if you want to hear the other side you've got to outside the beltway. i've been traveling the country
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and everywhere we go we have large crowds of people. a lot of young people think it's wrong for the government to collect our bulk records. the courts have said it's illegal so i frankly think what i've been arguing for is quite popular among americans outside of the washington establishment. they followed the patriot act as it was written. i don't see there's a problem here. let me move on to another issue where i disagree. it's a statement you made on nbc let me play it and we'll talk about it. >> isis exists and grew stronger before because of the hawks in our party who gave arms and most were snatched up by isis. they wanted tog3#çñ bomb assad, which would have made isis 'job easier. isis is all over libya because these same ox in my party loved hillary clinton in libya. they wanted more of it. >> senator, george w. bush warned with pinpoint accuracy
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what would happen if we pulled out of iraq without providing training for iraqi forces or in the case of syria, when the president draws a red line in the sand and doesn'tpd follow through. not sure why you're blaming hawks in the party. i was one of them. i supported the iraq war for the reasons every agency world thought was real intelligence. not sure why you're blaming your fellow conservatives. >> i think i could have stated it better. the ultimate people who are responsible for terrorism are obviously the terrorists, so isis is responsible for the mayhem, the murders, the brutality, the beheadings. that's isis. but i would say that we could have a valid discussion over whether or not isis has grown stronger by pouring arms into the islamic rebels in the syrian civil war. as we did, even our ambassador said that we will be giving arms to people who will fight alongside al-qaeda and isis.
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and it is objective truth that isis grew stronger the more weapons that went into the syrian civil war. i think it was an unintended consequence that isis grew stronger because of weaponizing these islamic rebels. >> you misspoke when you said hawks conservatives in the party. created isis. you disagree with that now? >> what i would say is that this is the policy of president obama. it was a policy of hillary clinton. and it was also the policy of some in my party who wanted to arm the islamic rebels. and i warned the time that the great irony is that you arm these people one day, we'll have to go back and fight against these weapons ourselves and i think we have to do something about isis. i've been declaring war against isis, but i've been disappointed that we have to fight against our own weapons and i think had we not put those into that civil war we might not be in this fix. >> i have a funny feeling that
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debate is going to continue. coming up the debate over the patriot act continues. mike lee, steve king. two republicans. they'll square off over the controversial national security provisions and later tonight, american cities are seeing a major spike in murders and violent crimes. are liberals to blame for creating the environment where criminals feel empowered? we'll checkpé ñ in with kimberly and also tonight. >> go to the end of f the line. why$pbg don't you go to the end of the line. >> video shows hillary clinton shunning a voter. ann coulter is here to talk about that and her new book, adios america.
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the patriot act may have expired last night, but many believe this lapse is temporary. now, politicians in washington are now gearing up for a battle and its outcome could have ramifications for security and youralq÷ privacy. mike lee, steve king congressman king, we just heard from jim. he wrote i remember interviewing him multiple times. the law had very specific restrictions. and what it is nowkgskt evolved into is not legal and that is data mining of people'slectronic communications. why would you support it? if it's not what the law states? >> these debates and discussionsq and hearings through the house judiciary community. i've severed with jim for a good number of years now. the language can be read either way and it's brood enough.
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>> the reading of the bill in terms of american, they had to be an outside source, then you had to have specific court approval. i don't see any ambiguity in this. >> the collection i think is is broad enough, but i don't agree we should continue with the collection of this broad metadata. i think the public needs to know it's phone bill records and i think also senator lee has cited a case in maryland in 1979 that addresses that, but i suggest instead let's not sacrifice our national security by ending -- >> i don't want to sacrifice that. i supported the patriot act as it was written. senator lee, the lone wolf provision, the roving wiretap, those are less controversial. jim rand paulx[ñ are saying our government is capturing electronic communications without american's consent. that's, that is not allowed by the patriot ak, is is it?
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>> not the way they're doing i. and they're doing it in bulk. i explained this at length in myjmu:b new book, our lost constitution explaining this typei f data it's not the conversations themselves. the data itself can tell a lot about an individual. the it can tell about what the individual's political views are. their religious affiliation, their marital status and all kinds of things and this is not the way we're supposed to collect information within the federal government. they should get a warrant. >> isn't that a violation of the fourth amendment of the constitution? >> i don't know if it is, but we should ask. do we need the data or don't we? if we conclude we do how do we do so in a institutional fashion? >> we're going to, basically, take american's communications if we don't have any reasonable reason to suspect they're
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involved in nefarious akctive 8zs÷,qeñ >> my proposal says this. allow for our national security agency to negotiation with the telecommunications to hold that data for a longer period of time so it's there in the private hands. gl all right, so senator -- >> no it doesn't, actually. my amendment wasd down in the house that would have allowed for that. >> the usa freedom act would aloe allow the companies to hold on to this and they would hold on to it for a period of time that suits their business sbless but there's nothing that compels them or allows for us to negotiate to keep that longer. >> senator -- zwl sean, >> the biggest difference between the usa freedom act which i support and i'm the sponsor of of in senate, the government to get a court order and it would be able to get only those
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phone records that are connected in some way to a phone number that was itself involved in some type of national security investigation. right now, the government just goes out and says send us your weh@e(p&ling data on everyone. that's wrong and that's the problem the freedom act would fix. >> thank you. coming up america's major cities are seeing a surge in murders and shootings. now is the spike in anticop rhetoric, is that making criminals feel empowered? some are calling this the quote ferguson effect.á rcx kimberly is ishere with reaction and then later tonight. >> go to the enof the line. why don't you go to the end of the line. trz. >>sse hillary clinton p0jjt away one of those voters she cares so much about. ann coulter is here with reaction and tonight, will unveil her new book. h
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major cities are enduring massive increases in major crimes. heather mcdonald writes homicides were up 180% by may 17th over the same period the previous year through april, shootings in st. louis, they were up 39%. robbery, 43%. homicides 25%. murders in atlanta up 32% as of mid may and shootings in chicago had increased 24%. homicides, 17%. now shootings and other fell felonies in los angeles had spiked 25%. in new york, murder was up nearly 13%. gun violence, áaa joining us now, a author of the article heather mcdonald is back with us. it was a great piece. people now areks ferguson effect. let me put up a few more statistics just to go to
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baltimore, for example. we know now that 43 homicides in may of 2015 that is a largest number now in 40 years. also in baltimore, a 55% increase in nonfatal 9zbqshootings. a 70% increase in homicides, 2014 to 15. why do you think this is happening? >> well it's tragic sean and these are black lives that should matter to the al sharptons of the world. when the police back off, innocent black people get killed and my speculation and i don't know this for sure but we've been enduring nine months of really extreme ?áhanticop hysteria that is premised on the falsehood that the police are the biggest threat facing young black men today. that's not the case but police officers are hearing the message that when they engage in proactive policing they are abusing the community. they're fearful of being caught
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on a cell phone video that will not show the full engagement with a resisting suspect and i think they may be backing off on discretionary policing the low level misdemeanor offenses. they're still responding to 911 calls for violent felony, but they're backing off and criminals are getting em boldened. >> i think this number speaks for itself. arrests in baltimore are now down 56%. doesn't that speak volume, confirm that is is suggesting? maybe for good reason. >> absolutely. policing is political and if snou the country decides wrongly that the police are a threat then we'll get less policing. the people who are going to be most hurt are the law-abiding residents of poor communities. there areies where crime has not gone up, but i think what we're seeing is is the advance. if we continue down this path i think the 20-year crime decline that the country has benefitted
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from and above all, inner city communities will be a threat. >> thank you. and joining us now with more reaction is the author of making the case kimberly gillfoil. the book is is great by the way. do you believe there is this ferguson effect? >> i really do and it's starting to see the ripple effects across the country and when you look at the alarming numbers with homicideses up it's really disheartening, especially &5 devoted so much of my life working to protect communities as a former prosecutor in san francisco and los angeles, in stricken by crime. places that were just infested with gang activity and violence. basically cities under siege. cities tot÷ try and e mansmancipate them and give them freedom to live and breathe and send their children to school and get jobs
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so the economy would not continue to suffer because there's a vicious cycle that happen, so when you see people in positions of leadership and power really abusing the position of the authority they have where they become> how big of an imk. let me play obama. i want to ask you out of this how big an impact his words have had on this quote ferguson effect. >> the cambridge police acted stupidly. there is a long history of people in this country of african-americans and latinos being stopped by law enforcement, disproportionately. that's just a fact. the african-american community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences. and a history. that -- that doesn't go away. the african-american community is also knowledgeable that there is a history of racial
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despairties in the application of our criminal laws. >> what impact does the bully pulpit of the presidentcy, those repeated comments have on this. >> it undermines the people in the justice community or people walk ing walking around on the streets that expect the to look at their president and find somebody that is a uniter. he has really inserted himself into the story. he has a powerful position. he should choose his words and heed them carefully. >> i was reading your book and learned about you. i didn't know you lost your mom at a young age, that was sad. you've been a first lady of a major city. you've been a prosecutor, been in television, a lawyer. you give advice to people how they add row kate for themselves in the world of business and personally. all those things. >> we're not born with a
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blueprint, a set of instructions instructions. you have to learn grow fall down and pick yourself up. i was 9 when my mom was first diagnosed with leukemia. only 37 years of age. i want tonr@xñ live on and really embrace what your legacy was, which was one of community service and giving back which i've always tried to do and not making life about you. what can you do to help people mentor, give back. i thought the best way was to reach people was by writing a book like this. a problem they're going through, a parent that is ageing or in need or is is in the hospital or you perhaps have a divorce or a tough personal less you're going through in a relationship. you try and open up reveal, so that others can relate. >> making the case. how to be your own best advocate. thanks. coming up the always outspoken ann coulter is here with her first interview,
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the wait is over. ann coulter's new book is is out today. it's on amazon.com adios, america, the left's plan to turn our country into a]h'új third world ln hell hole. i will tell you this, and people that dismiss you are wrong. they don't read your books because if they did, this is extraordinarily well researched, a much bigger issue than the southern border border. >> right. >> you go into great detail. the cost is enormous and we have two parties that don't want to solve the problem. otherwise the fence that works at the white house and gated communities would be built. >> not only that there would be a change to the legal
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immigration. e point i was making with you on radio today. this is so much bigger than others in the first chapter, my book is about legal immigration. leaving to fight with isis. the immigrants raping little girls those are legal immigrants. those going on welfare, committing crimes at what appears to be far above the native rate, the government won't tell us. never has a country been transformed like this. never in world history and it is being done as a plan by the left because they want voters more favorable to liberal policy. it's striking how all of the most avid immigration activists and there are hundreds probably thousands of groups just working overtime to bring in the poorest of the poor to live in america. there are always the people who don't parly like america. why are they bringing these poor third worlders here because they want to transform america. because they hate america and
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republican republicans aren't stopping them because the big donors want the cheap labor. >> but this is really important. that we have no scrutiny of the people we allow in. and that is as big a problem as a southern border where somebody wants a job and isis has the ability to walk across. >> the shocking part, i wasn't going write a book. i was going to have a few chapters and i had already written two chapters for the book i was planning on writing, then i go to look up some basic, obvious facts that most americans will be shocked. the government refuses to tell us like how many foreign born are in our prisons? state prison federal prison and what crimes are they in for and what countries do they come from? no, no, no read chapter seven. it was written through4< tears of frustration and rage. that was when i called my publisher and said this is going to be a different book. the way they hide information, counts both in federal prison, only illegal immigrants in state
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prison prison. mexicans were most years are counted as white. of cour not count nationalized citizens at all. isn't that worse? it's one thing for the government to miss criminals who are running across the border. that's bad enough. how about the ones the government looked over and said you'll make a fine addition to this country and then they're blowing up the boston marathon. it doesn't occur to americans that we have any control over this. this is being done to your country. it is government policy. this is not a natural result of the way people would immigrate. first world countries, countries where the:'#/v immigrants don't go on welfare and commit crimes they are being discriminated against. drag in all of the poorest of the poor toyñk[ instantly go on welfare. >> you will you know you will be called racist for this. >> that's the only argument they have.
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prefer not no debate me. >> do you really believe that this is a thought out plan where america as we know it will be forever altered and never by the same? >> absolutely. i hope we are not already past this. wouldn't have written this book if i thought we were past the tipping point. we need an immigration mor torre and mostly to shut these groups down. you would thinki+ç you could just pass a law saying if you're a criminal, you go home and we will prosecute marriage frauds and we will accuse people who lie and refugee status. all of these laws have been passed in the united states. they all get 03@ryignored, overturned, the ins says we're not going to do it. the immigration judges come from the same group, they're running the immigration system.
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you need an absolute moritorium. a fence around the border.5mp you need -- >> apparently some work too, and wheels work. that's breaking news. we need to end the insane policy of anchor babies. illegal aliens running across the border or arriving flying in from china and staying in immigration hotels giving birth specifically to get american citizenship. by the way, those kids, when they commit crimes and go to prison ps. they are not counted. >> stay right there. we're going to come back. her new book we'll continue with ann coulter, but she will go head to head with a pro immigration supporter in what is sure to be a heated debate. that and much more coming up next. straight ahead. th what up wheels! mr. auto-mo-deal! hey, it's the wheel deal! hey, hey, the duke of deals! i know a few guys in the rental car biz. let's go, 'wheels'. rental car deals up to 40% off.
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welcome back. the left's plan to turn our country into a thirld world hell hole, she reveals shocking statistics about problems this kun tri faces because of illegal immigration. she's here with us and here to challenge her on some of the claims in the book we have francisco hernandez. have you read the ,éfbook, sir?
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>> bits and pieces. >> fairness to you, i doubt ann sent you an autographed first edition. >> i'll take one though. >> you just heard her lay out her case. we have people that come into this country, don't have any real desire to be americans-l that's on top to have two borders that are wide open. it includes drugs and i've been in drug warehouses and sex slavery and other crimes why do we have this openness? why would we not control?@:!áhe people that come into this country and vet them first? >> i don't disagree with you on why don't we of course we have to control it. mr. hannity, i'm not ready to throw in to throw in the towel on america. america's still the most powerful country in this world. people are literally dying to come here. of course they want to be american. they're leaving their
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unemployment, disease and famine to come here. why do we have to be so negative. she throws out all these statistics. >> ann? >> i mean -- >> we areqx creating the market. the drugs come because we're buying them.ut!ñ >> well we can build a fence. >> stop using, they won't come. >> the fact people want to come here, great. i'd like to live in a mansion, that doesn't mean they have to let me move in. >> but we can work to get that mansion. >> not to understand that we should have some control over this. there are trillions of people who want to move to america. are wexóáe going to take them all? we can't take them all. you got to stop mumbleing2ciy throughout everything i say. it's very irritating. there truly are poor people in the world. why are we discriminating in
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favor of those who live within walking distance. there are poor people in are we going take all of them? still talking. the gate will shut the moment every wealthy person at least who went to one of the better schools has a full compliment of chef nannies, gardeners as soon as that's done suddenly the humanitarian crisis of the world will be over but the point is the country's immigration policy is not a charity project. immigration is is to make this country and the people in this country including recent immigrants better and if one commits a crime, that's
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>> they get all kinds of welfare, more welfare. >> they will have more welfare when they're citizens. >> take a look at the unemployment rate. they're working on jobs you and i don't do. >> 93 million americans -- >> working on the jobs some of them yes are hard workers and accessing the welfare system to send half of the money back to their homes. >> all of the mum bling in the background. yes, they're working but they're accessing welfare. so the risk at a fantastic deal. middle class, and working class subsidizing their labor. that is costing the american taxpayer and idea you can dump
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30, 40, 50 million of the poorest of the poor on america accepting government assistance and somehow that is boom for country is so contrary to common sense. >> i'm for everybody getting a piece of the american pie that is willing to earn it are you saying the people that come here are criminals? are you saying we ought to raise the minimum wage? >> we don't need to raise the minimum wage if we stop bringing in the workers. >> the grade is dictated by economics iets not. fox viewers that is a lie. they're dictated by government policies to help the democrats and help the rich get cheap labor. >> republicans? come on. >> we've got to end it there. thank you both. final thoughts and this.
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simply asking to take a picture with the presidential candidate. the left plans to turn our country into a third world hell hole what is that? the chanting of the people? . >> i just want to say a perfect example of what they're doing to our country. they're waiting for old white people to die off. you'll see from the posts in my book. big celebration on the left. >> people say msnbc says they celebrate it every night. do you watch? they're celebrating, ha ha we're a brown america and republicans will never get another lesson. they're right. >> you're blaming republicans and democrats. they want a voting base they think well keep them in power forever and republicans want cheap labor forever? >> absolutely. the title is deceptive. i couldn't list all of the
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people. >> republican-funded executive amnesty? >> yes, they did. and a hard case to win when the entire people carrying the water on this or three bloggers and sometimes you. that is it. >> i've been down to the border ten times. >> i do want to compliment francisco for coming on. how about ali moore? >> they're welcome. >> on tv and as for welfare, just one point, the 1996 welfare reform bill here most americans said that is not already the law. that was the single biggest savings and within five years it was repealed. >> ann, thank you. >> thank you.
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