this weekend, the freedom walk will be starting at noon eastern time. i want to thank all of the people that have been e-mailing about my show on fox business. a lot of you have been saying it's fun, it's fast we don't even know we're watching business. that's the idea. that's the idea. hello, everyone. i'm dana perino along with kimberly guilfoyle, juan williams eric bolling and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 and this is "the five." is america turning into a society of people only focused on themselves? that's what new york cardinal timothy dolan is saying. >> we're into an age of independence autonomy convenience, sometimes selfishness. the new trinity of me myself and i starts to dominate. we know that's contrary to the very nature of the human person. the very nature of the human person needs god and needs other

people. >> there's a decline in the marriage rate in america, especially among millennial who is are waiting longer and longer to wed. a new study found there's the least religious generation in 60 years so they are turning away from faith, too. the state of moral values in the country is getting worse. so is there a way to stop the contagion of the me myself and i mindset? and kimberly i'm mindful that we're sitting here on television where we spend time talking about ourselves. do you think things are worst today than in the past? >> well there's new, you know challenges that have emerged through the age of technology right? because now it's the life of selfies and instagram and snapchat and things of that nature. so there is more emphasis and focus on that. so of course then it becomes more about the individual instead of the collective or the outer community. so i think you really have to work hard to do that.

if you're somebody that grew up back in the day like i did, you have a different upbringing and idea about things versus someone coming of age now with all of the devices which makes you more inwardly focused. on religion church others you're not focused on that. >> eric your son is 16 17. do you notice a difference or are you worried or do you think there's a lot of promise there? you say that he and his friends, they are kind-hearted and driven but maybe distracted by the electronics? >> they are -- cardinal nolan is right about that. they are involved in themselves. i tell you, they can't take ten steps without taking a selfie this is where i am look what i'm eating and look who i'm with. does that translate into church attendance? does that translate into

religiocity. i go to church every day. i don't require my son to go to church. frankly, he doesn't go to church on the weekends. a couple months we were in mexico on easter sunday. i'm there at church and what does he do he pulled up next to me and sat down for 1:15 and paid attention. he felt good about it. i don't force it on him. i don't know if parents should be forcing it on them or not but i will tell you there is a need that satisfies. there's an innate -- a natural need a hunger for spirituality whether it's god or other things that satisfies when a kid spent time in church or worshipping something. >> greg i wanted to ask you, you don't have to be religious to live a moral life. >> of course. no. >> are kids unable to learn moral like from an ipad? >> well cardinal dolan is right and wrong.

it is not excessive individualism that is a problem. it is actually the opposite. i would rather have individuals than isis. that's a group. we're plagued by people who are seeking a collective identity through various, various ways. maybe it's driven by envy maybe driven by extreme religious belief. but it's a great thing. it's what makes america great. he's confusing strength with self selfishness. we're surrounded because of our mass media and because of the displays of wealth luck reexury and fame. people are feeling more relevant and they have a mistaken belief that people are more successful than they are. they seek relevance in groups the mob. this is why you see mob rule on the internet and twitter. people are seeking ways to strike out at other people as a way to validate their own political, spiritual beliefs, ideology and identity are now the political team sport.

the disintegration of family has left a vacuum that could be filled by anything. the weird thing about isis is it is being filled by religion. it's a terrorist belief but it's basically saying that we reject casual religion. we leave our mosques because your mosques are too liberal for us. so that's a frightening thing. going after excessive individual individuality is the wrong thing. it's individuals who make this place special and they are the ones who rise up against the mob and change the world. >> juan that's interesting. you study a lot in terms of education in america and young people and the friends there. do you see this as a problem? >> i think it is a problem to this extent that when you see people set a drift, dana when they don't have structures then when trouble comes, when there is difficulty they lash out.

so greg i was real interested in what greg said. you always think that everybody is so much better off than i am and everybody else is being left behind and then when they get angry and act in ways that are totally anti-social. the way i look at it is something like the music today and i find the music, again, so self-centered. you know it used to be love songs. >> aww. >> i tell people this. >> anyway now it's i got this girl and i did this to this girl. i'm going to stop. >> yep. >> and i find that a little bit much. you know what songs are they going to listen to as they age? love songs don't exist. and then the other thing is the older generation had john wayne and he wasn't individual in the greg gutfeld -- he was an individual who would stand up and say, that's wrong, to the bad guy. so today we go from john wayne and clint eastwood and today it

looks more like "friends" where everybody comes together and this is my friend these folks at this table, this is my gang and we are going to hang out and we are a good gang. but it does mean that you are taken away from family because family oftentimes especially for this younger generation doesn't exist, and then they somehow don't turn ornn the church. i don't know how i'd get through life without some substance. >> i agree with you. when eric left that day, you could see it. he had something and i literally said to him, you need to do this. you should do this more. i'm not going to make you do this. attend church. and you could see that there was a recognition there, like there is something there. i think a lot of the younger generation doesn't believe

there's something there. all they can do is try it. >> there is one institution where you actually see public displays of faith over and over again and the young people watching it and that is with sports whether it's the olympics or football teams, basketball teams and in sports it's still acceptable to publicly profess your faith. >> yeah you see that. yeah in the nfl games. you see it even on college campuses and then the detractors who come in and say, oh we don't want you to do this. it's offensive that you're saying the lord's prayer with your coach before a game. that really bugs me. there's one in ohio recently that was happening this week. >> let me go over to something else. greg i want to go to you about this. i thought of you when i wrote this. 55 scholars have written to the college board about what they say is a sad state of the a.p. history exam advanced placement history exam. this is what they said.

the new version of the test will effectively marginalize important ways of teaching about the american past and force american high schools to each u.s. history from a perspective that self-consciously seeks to de-center american history and subordinate it to a global and heavily social-scientific perspective." >> american history was made by bad men and we must rectify those sins. in my opinion, we're about 80% through the great leftward leaning. and the question is whether we let it all collapse. we have war in our absence, we have history beingand we demonize the isis while we struggle to identify what a terrorist is. we are heading towards everything that a radical progressive would want and at this point we have to decide whether we're willing to reverse

it or start over. >> i think it's a way to take away your heroes right? don't think of thomas jefferson as an individual, as somebody you aspire to be like because they want to basically -- >> rewrite. >> rewrite the history. >> in a way, that fits the narrative that the left has been pushing and bringing. quick anecdotal piece, last week middle of last week someone tweeted me a high school junior from pennsylvania tweeted me and she's like, look at this. this is audio of a teacher teaching in a class and it was russell brand trashing my stance on capitalism. and i contacted the principal and said do you realize one of your sociology teachers is doing this? he said give us a day or two. he said yeah we're okay with it. i said do you understand what a socialist commi -- and you and your 16-year-old are -- >> you should have been reported

that. >> it is recorded but i think the student doesn't want to be outed about who he or she is. but it's going to get bigger and talked about more. but the point is they are okay with teaching tools like russell brand trashing capitalism trashing people who are free market putting that bias spin in the classroom in 16-year-olds. >> i don't think what the scholars are saying is that you want to replace one set of you know kind of liberal thinking with conservative thinking. >> no. >> i think what they want to do is get back to founding principals like limited government. i think they want to get back to the idea of individual liberty, equality under law for all. that's what drives america. and we try to reinvent america all the time. i think that's good. but the problem with this is they are moving away from it and it's about identity politics. do that in sociology, not in history. >> right. >> and for all of those people upset about common core a.p. exams are where you should direct some of that. >> you know what is funny?

there's simple -- >> but you get college credits though. >> like the leftward leaning, the a.p. exam leads you right into a great freshman year. >> you know action actually creates character. often we think that character causes action. but there's something to be said about basic managers that manners is in its own way, you don't desire to do whatever you want and it unifies you in a community by actually saying i will do this. i will express myself with good manners. that is the thing that is lost and that used to hold communities together and it's much like patriotism seemed as quaint or perhaps irrelevant. >> they always joke in the black community, it used to be if you misbehave, the neighbor would smack you on the butt. now, it's like you don't touch my child. there's nobody to give structure

to that child. >> i try. rt willall right, a terror scare in boston. what they were allegedly plotting. that's coming up next on "the five." k of when you think of the united states postal service? exactly. that's what pushes us to deliver smarter simpler faster sleeker earlier fresher harder farther quicker and yeah even on sundays. what's next? we'll show you.

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an isis-style plot against law enforcement appears to have been foiled in boston and may have included a plan to behead please. one suspect in custody. another dead. 26-year-old aama rahim is killed after he launched at the joint terrorism task force with a knife as they approached to question him. >> our officers went out there only to question the individual because the level of our concern rose to the level that we needed to question him. i think we never anticipated what his reaction would be and that he would pull out, obviously, a military knife. in fact at some point when the suspect gets close enough to cause imminent harm to the officer, the officer discharged his weapon. >> rahim's brother disputes that claim, saying he was shot in the

back. but civil rights activists are backing up the police after they were shown the video today. >> what the video does reveal to us very clearly is that the individual was not on the cell phone, the individual was not shot in the back and that the information that was reported by others is inaccurate. i was 150% collaborate with what the commissioner just stated. >> okay. so this is a unique kind of turn of events. civil rights leaders coming out because they were afforded an opportunity to come and calm and private and review the evidence. novel approach. dana what do you think? >> i thought it was very smart how they handled that and i commend the civil rights leaders for coming out and immediately saying that because it could stop all of the fearmongering or any other problems.

interesting, we've been saying for the last month, james comey has said that he has open cases of possible terrorist activity in all 50 states. that includes rhode island. that's not necessarily a place where you think there would be hot bed terrorist activities. that means our police forces and intelligence community has to be able to communicate with one another, share their information and intelligence and be able to act, like in this case might have been sooner than they wanted because i think they were trailing him and trying to get other information. i absolutely commend them. i'm glad it turned out this way. >> and from a communications perspective, that was good to have them get out in front of the microphone use their voice and connect to people to quell anything that might have taken place. are you having a physical condition or -- >> what was i doing? i was just thinking deeply about this. i was thinking about how cnn described this as the third time this year that the boston police were involved in shooting a

suspect. so the lesson in media, if you remove the context cops kill a terrorist and then it's just another police-involved shooting which makes for a trend piece. that's how you report it. interesting thing, we should always be reminded cops are always the first to be the target because they are the barrier between the barbarians and us. this isn't a game of whack-a-mole. the only people who know how to do that know how to do that. if you're ignorant of that process, you should shut up. >> glad you got that off your chest. all right. >> the interesting thing about usaama i talked about this on facebook -- i think they picked up a mr. wright and a third

unnamed name. >> you have been looking for him for some time kimberly. >> e-mail me. >> never mind. wrong spelling. >> there's also a link with this. i see that usaama rahim worshipped at the islamic culture center of boston and i looked back and, sure enough that's where tamerlan tsarnaev was a member of that same cultural center and the founder of that cultural center is -- >> is under investigation? >> no he's behind bars for 23 years for terrorism plot and money land derundering. so this guy was clearly out in the open. it wasn't hard to find this guy. had he a lot of ties. a lot of ties to terrorists. this wasn't one of those things that was very difficult to find. great job. but the scary part is targeting cops? what is going on in america where cops are constantly being

targeted right now? it's disgusting and despicable and scary. >> and the intelligence reports that they have was the intent to behead police officers. >> in the instance where he was shot what happened was the police -- >> they've been talking -- >> right. they've been watching him for 18 months. >> what greg was talking about, they shot three people and that's why the whole tenor -- are you shooting at people too frequently. this is a very separate case. i don't think it should be lumped with the other cases, was your point. but michael mccaul head of homeland security in the house, said this guy was communicating with isis. that takes it to a different level, in my mind. this is not just some renegade guy who is just a bad guy and starting to act crazy. this was a guy who was tied in to what dana is talking about, this national thing.

and the way this takes us back to the first segment. these are people who, i think, couldn't even get along with people in his own mosque. he thought that mosque was too weak in his message. >> too liberal. >> icing on the cake. >> you're too much. and then he goes -- >> pretty good. >> and then does he not only start to communicate with isis but he starts to plot and have his moment of martyrism. he set himself up. >> and there's a digital call to arms. there's something happening that we can't see that the police have to have some sort of tool to be able to track what is happening online because that's how isis is -- we have got to give our law enforcement everything that they need to be able to fight back. >> absolutely right. next who would you cast to play homicidal man jack charles

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a new show called "aquarius" uses charles manson. it's pretty adorable. ♪ >> how you doing? >> well i haven't heard my mom call me baby girl for almost five days. >> great. >> charlie said some day he's going to be more famous than the beatles. >> so true. so they cast a hairier version of justice bieber to play a

heinous mass murderer. but imagine if the show runners ran the history channel. george clooney would play hitler. clive owen would play stalin. but why even limit yourself to age or gender? jennifer lawrence could make a great mo and why can't kimberly play the 1906 earthquake? she does make the earth move. this reminds me of the boston bomber cover, the desire to recast evil as hot is how evil thrives. manson was a symbol of the 1960s in that he sold it as free love. manson wasn't good looking or

charismatic. he was about rebelling against a generation whose hard work and sacrifice made such rebellion possible. the entire bad boy appeal is a lie. for it boils down to one essential fact. we glorify those who wish to destroy us. revolutionaries are often just killers, something to be reminded of every time you see a clown in a chase shirt. >> kimberly you're single. you like the bad guys. >> okay. if i saw someone in a chaser i'd run in the other direction. >> why do the bad guys have to be so cute? do tvs no we're not going to watch ugly people? >> well of course they want to romantacize the notion of it and so yeah that's what they do. it's hollywood. they are going to put something forward like that for the very reason. the fact that they picked someone like that to play

charles manson who is disgusting on the inside and the outside. >> you're being a little harsh, aren't you? >> sorry. >> he only killed a family. bonnie and clyde, you remember that? warren beatty played the guy. so this is not new. >> no. >> i would say bonnie & clyde was the first movie where they took a pin-up guy and made him into a bad guy, i think. >> wasn't jack nicholson the joker? >> bonnie & clyde came out before that. >> good looking people play bad guys. the shocker to me is this whole show has david duchovny the detective looking into this, they don't get the idea that this is about evil. this is way bigger than some counterculture clash. i think manson is a bad, bad, mass murdering son of a gun. >> they can't be that dumb. are they not playing it out like this?

>> they should have had a realistic looking out. >> portrayal yeah. >> but part of the allure of this -- i don't know a thing about this show. it could be that he's taking these girls and making the allure of him, attracting the girl and everyone in the audience knows what is about to happen. >> that's true. >> that may be more interesting than if you were -- >> it's not true. it's not true. that's the problem. >> part of his appeal was inexplicable. >> correct. >> if you go who in the world would fall have for that? >> it scared the crap out of me. >> i can't believe she just said that. you said it twice now. america, plug your ears. >> crap. crap. crap. it's like clicking my heels three times. >> timothy olafante in "justified" was a good guy. >> that's true. >> all the bad guys were ugly. >> boyd was handsome. >> he was not a good --

>> can you explain to me where dexter went and why it went away? >> you loved that show. >> that was the best series. that was -- dexter was a murderer. >> he was a serial killer. >> he was a serial killer but killing bad guys who got off on legal technicalities. it was a brilliant show. >> he ended up -- >> oh, no. >> i can't watch a show about a serial killer. no way. >> what if it was a dog. what if the serial killer was a dog. >> couldn't do it. i saw something yesterday a dog had a muzzle around him. nobody was good looking in "the sopranos." >> i don't think that's true. >> the girl who died -- >> yeah that girl was pretty hot. >> this is amazing. ahead, megyn kelly got the

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does the retirement age in america need to be raised in order to raise social security? that's what some of the 2016 hopefuls are suggesting. >> folks said don't touch this stuff. it's the third rail. so you know me instead of touching it i'm hugging it. i don't believe the world will stop spinning on its axis for raising the age two years. >> we need to look over the horizon and phase in over an extended period of time going from 65 to 68 or 70. and that by itself will help sustain the retirement system for anybody under the age of 40. >> well not all of the gop contenders agree. >> do you have any idea what the

economic impact would be if you suddenly told people by the way, you have to work another seven years, it's not going to work out. not only do you throw the entire job market into disarray but i don't want to be the person who proposes that to say that the government screwed up, you're going to pay the consequences. >> all right. this is something we've talked about. >> yes. i was in the white house when they tried to reform it to make more money for people's pockets. 60 cities in 60 days and not a single republican supported us. i think it's an important issue and you need to have a position on it but i would not be leading on it. i would be leading on mobility wages, economic growth focus on the middle class instead of this.

the other thing of what huckabee is saying in my opinion, it's pretty disingenuous. i understand that would be a popular move by some but some are going to have to pay for it. he's guaranteeing future middle class tax increase. >> and if he ever gets on the stage, he's going to have to answer that one. i would tend to agree with you. juan your thoughts on raising the social security age. which one of these has it right? >> i think they are both incredibly brave to do it i will say that because i don't think it's not only ben carson it's ted cruz. the republicans are saying with he see being honest with the american people and especially older americans, mostly republicans, as a way to make an

impression. >> k.g. life expectancy has gone up 15 years, maybe more and yet the social security age hasn't. it's gone from a true retirement account to let's see if i can live off this for a few more years. >> right. i know. it's challenging. it's a real struggle. we have to be honest about the economy, about the age of people still staying in the workforce. but i think that both chris christie and jeb have the right idea and i don't care if it's the third wheel of politics. you have to care about the future generations to come. my advice to you is to get some of these younger folks out there that are going to be paying into this to really understand the importance of true reform that is financially meaningful and fits the larger group. >> a lot of young people don't believe that it will be around for them but they are paying into the system right now. you can put down young people but they are supporting it.

>> that is what i'm saying. >> when they go after it they are not going after young voters with this by the way. >> right. >> they are going after older republicans who are not going to be dealing with this message well. >> they are being fiscally responsible. >> i would be for the opt out, just -- i would like to make a deal and just say, you can have all of the social security that i put in for the last 27 years if i can have the next 20 years on this planet you stay out of my paycheck. you win that deal. i don't want any social security. you don't even have to give it to me. i plan on working until i drop dead. but the candidates are going about this the wrong way. the real area they can win is terror and crime. in those areas, we are losing. the world is a playground for evil. we know that. the pendalum has swung so far to the left. they don't have to come back from the carnival cruise and clean this stuff. the big stuff is terror and

crime. >> they can't let you opt out, greg. you pay so many other people's retirement. >> i know. >> heating, bills. >> and on the road you watch these debates in town hall the seniors say, you can't touch my medicaid. that's mine. i earned it. >> i paid into it. >> government take your hands off. >> over time. >> you know who is not going to mention it at all? >> who. >> hillary clinton. >> smart. >> yeah because obama got beat up on it. >> she doesn't answer any questions anyway. >> we've got to go. coming up the interview you'll only see on fox news the only interview with the embattled duggar family on "the five." you've heard of a "win-win," right? what about a "win-win-win"? pick up the limited edition metallic droid turbo by motorola. water-repellent. up to 48-hour battery life and ballistic nylon back.

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the duggars rose to fame with their hit show "19 kids and counting" and now the supersized christian family faces a sexual abuse scandal that threatens their program and their reputation. tonight they will address the situation on fox news tonight with megyn kelly following reports that their eldest son josh molested girls, including his own sisters, when he was a

teen. here's a preview. >> this is a young boy who has come to you with shocking information. what did he say? how did you respond to him? what was that like that exchange? >> so much grief in our hearts. i think as parents we felt we're failures you know. we tried to raise our kids to do what is right, to know what is right. and, yeah one of our children made some really bad choices. and i think as a parent we were just -- we were devastated. >> and here's one more clip. >> do you think that the backlash against the duggars has been greater because people object to who you are and what you stand for? >> i think some out there do. >> yeah. >> do you think, in particular your christian beliefs are at issue here? >> i think -- you know christianity is not about being

perfect or about being a perfect family but it's actually about being forgiven. and so i think as people on the outside think, well christians are supposed to be perfect, they are supposed to -- you're supposed to live this perfect life. no you know what all of us as christians struggle every day. >> part one of megyn's interview with the duggars airs tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern. greg is there a backlash against them because of their christian values? >> no. there's a backlash against them because they have a sick son who molested maybe his siblings and was protected by it. that's why. in the context -- this is confession for some people is a way out of heinous activity. sick creeps are saying i have been forgiven and, therefore, isn't that enough? i have suffered -- they are using religion as a shield and that's disgusting. to me, that's disgusting. >> well hold on. mike huckabee says as he's running for president, there's

an insensitive blood thirst. the critics are dredging up sins from long ago to somehow land bass the duggars. >> when you put your entire family on tv that is bound to happen. i wonder if josh were a member of c.a.r.e. would forgiveness be discussed like this. if the duggars weren't part of a religious team that you belong to would you be as sympathetic? a criminal -- a criminal who exalts an organized religion that you belong to would be treated better than a criminal that is not part of your religious group. so if i were to commit a crime because i'm not religious, i would be seen less sympathetic than a duggar doing a more heinous crime because he's part of your religious team. >> how do you see this dana?

>> when i watch the interview tonight with megyn kelly, that will be the first time i've ever seen the duggars. i don't watch their show. it looks to me like megyn asked all the right questions. >> the mama on "here comes honey boo-boo," she says there's no way this show can't be canceled. what do you say? >> i have no idea what they are going to do with the show. i would agree, some things that once you put your family on air, you open yourself up to the criticism. one thing to keep in mind though -- and by no means, look this is awful what josh did -- i don't know that all the facts are out yet. he was a minor at the time and i'm not sure they would be talking about this if they hadn't put themselves on tv. >> well they are on tv and one of the victims, apparently the child was just 5 years old. just tearrrible.

>> what if it was another religion? >> it was a crime. that's your point. it was a crime. so kimberly you have a situation like lena dunham she molested her own sister. i don't think she's been cast out. >> this is a very challenging situation. i prosecuted child abuse cases and child molestation cases. it's very disturbing and there's a lot usually behind the scenes than what is going on. i want to know what was the jenna genesis of this. i think there's a lot -- i hope megyn gets into this. it looks like it was leaked from police documents. there's quite a bit to this. >> we appreciate your compassion because it damages lives. don't do it. anyway don't miss part one of megyn's interview with the duggars tonight at 9:00 p.m. "one more thing" is up next. you drop 40 grand on a new set of wheels, then... wham! a minivan t-bones you.

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time now for "one more thing" and kimberly is first. >> well if you enjoyed "american sniper" and like clint eastwood movies he's going to take on captain sully and do a whole bio about his life. warner brothers is going to tell the story. it was a national headline, "miracle on the hudson" and they

were able to successfully land the plane. unbelievable from my partners at the time. >> eric? >> yesterday we had a very heated discussion on guns specifically when we got to the part about conceal carry. this happened with geraldo. >> when was the last time that you heard of a civilian stopping a crime with a gun as opposed to a 4-year-old being shot by a 6-year-old? >> thousands of times per day. in fact there was a static i don't have that, where -- >> you watch too much legends. >> the number is 2,082 offenses with gun use. john e-mailed me this morning saying it's even more than that. >> did he call you? >> no. he e-mailed me. he said about 2700 per day. hats off to breitbart.

geraldo, stop playing with the guns. unless they are squirt guns because they are fun. >> all right. let's go to this. greg's headline corner. all right. this is pretty interesting. this is also from breitbart. on tuesday, former obama adviser david axelrod informed an israeli television channel that president obama considers himself the closest thing to a jew that has ever sat in the office. i thought that was probably correct and i think he should take inspiration and he should become ira obama. why not make racism fluent? everything else is. >> you would have brought this to a whole new level. >> you're welcome. >> juan, you're next. >> a 9-year-old fortunately ohio

was signed by the cleveland browns for one day. now, he has an immune deficiency that attacks organs and his brother has the same problem but today he was a member of the cleveland browns and he got to play some football. his parents were there and grandparents were there. he likes to play defense. that was great. cleveland browns, you're my team for today. >> you brought your a-game to the "one more thing" block. hillary clinton is going to be at texas university and the media department put out advice -- an advisory to the media. one of the things that they wanted to know is there are going to be media-only restaurants down the hall. you don't want to men gelingle with the media. there will be no opportunities to interview hillary clinton. her speech will be her interview. >> does david gergen get his own

stall? >> that was met with such derision that they put out a new advisory. i'm not sure i got the joke. set your dvrs. never miss an episode of "the five." "special report" is up next. welcome to washington. i'm bret baier. this is a fox news alert. new fox follows are out tonight and there is not a clear front-runner in the nomination. this shows increasing distrust of hillary clinton. we have mike emanuel with the latest fox polls and how the gop candidates are trying to set themselves apart. first, chief white house correspondent ed henry on how the controversies over hillary clinton's private e-mail and questionable donations to the clinton foundation are having an effect on voters. good evening, ed. >> good evening, bret. hillary clinton claims this is a republic