part of our summer concert series in the past. they were so good and the reaction was unbelievable. they are back with us live tomorrow. come down at 8:00 in the morning. free one hour concert. >> and some barbecue. >> we'll be back wearing the same exact stuff tomorrow. bill: the original target was not police. it was the activist behind the cartoon contest in garland texas. pam geller authorities say was the target. martha: according to officials. the knife-wielding suspect had been working on this for weeks

to change the plan. he said i'll be on vacation right here in massachusetts. bill: the managing editor of the "boston herald" has been investigating this from the beginning. >> the police commissioner said one of the names he was going off was geller and was new york. bill: she was the one who organized the event in garland texas. >> it's code for the plot to behead people, but that changed.

bill: there is a recording on camera on video of the actual shooting but it has not been released to the public. when will we see it? >> authorities say they need it for the case. we are also being told there is more on the case. but yesterday they showed this chilling video to community leaders, religious leaders to show he was not shot in the back, he was shot as he was coming at police. bill howpolice. bill: how did they describe the shooting? >> some say it was from far off. a neighborhood of boston is part of the city, it's it's in the cvs

parking lot. it shows he's coming towards the police. it's far off so they couldn't see the knife. the first day we had a picture of that it in knife that was at the scene. bill: one they say he bought on amazon.com the last few weeks. bill: you have this 25-year-old man by the name of david write. what is his connection to all this? >> according to the f.b.i. a date. he was on the other end of the phone when rahiim was plotting his scheme to behead the boys in blue. he said destroy my cell phone smash it you have, i don't want the authorities to get it.

bill: he was in court yesterday afternoon and charged with floght destroy evidence. police say they were watching him 24/7 for the past four weeks. once he made a phone call 5:00 a.m. tuesday morning is when they decided to make their move. turns out they, were probably right. martha: there are so many they are likely trying to keep tabs on and in this case they were very lucky. in the meantime former texas governor rick perry announces he will make another run for the presidency. jeb bush is ticking one step closer to making it official. he says he will enter the blt race and make that announcement june 15. all this as a brand-new fox news poll shows it's jam packed in

the republican field toward the tomorrow. rich, good morning to you. let's start with the person i mentioned first rick perry ran last time unsuccessfully. but he will take another go at it. >> you heard his reputation when we was frankly unprepared and wasn't very healthy. but he's a great retail politician. i would say he's a dark horse in iowa. i wouldn't discount the idea that's rick perry. martha: there are a lot of candidates that could be attractive to iowans but you can see a tonight outcome in iowa.

>> at this point you could win iowa with 15%. the debates will be important in getting some of them guys to pop up above the others. it's fascinating and kind of stunning. the different between first and sixth place is 10 points. so this is a fluid deal obviously. martha: the minute we start to see a debate, i think that will start to separate people out. also money will be a factor. take a look at this at home. you have got jeb bush at 12% walker at 12%. so there is no argument for anybody to get out certainly at this point this is the next page of how things are looking.

there is rick perry at 4%. jeb bush's strategy. let's move to that for a moment. he's saying and tweeting in spanish and english you will hear from me june 15. what do you think of the strategy so far? >> he concentrated fir on vacuuming up money. he's been very successful on that metric. but when it comes to appealing to voters he hasn't been very successful yet. we have seen nothing like front runner numbers in the polls for him. he has been sliding the wrong way. he had a tough week on that iraq question megyn kelly asked him. he will be a potent candidate but i'm sure they are hoping in

the initial running they would have been stronger. martha: hillary clinton's numbers have been declining. lincoln chafee said he's going to get in. >> i said let's be bold. let's join the rest of the world and go metric. i happened to live in canada and they completed the process. believe me it's easy. it doesn't take long before 34 degrees is hot. martha: so there is that burning issue. they used to teach us met trick

system for about a week at the beginning of every school year. what is he talking about? >> he's a fringe candidate. he was going to put down a mark per on foreign policy and the metric system. if sanders o'malley chafe he, and some -- chafee gets in. why not why not get in. this is the best publicity the metric system has had in a long time so maybe he's moving the needle. bill: my teachers at our laid yesterday of victory would vote for him.

the widow of chris kyle will be at the event today and she'll join us with why she is supporting the governor from texas. bill: i think jeb bush has been waiting for her to make it official. martha: the way things are so protracted -- it's early in the game. people saying i'm running i'm a candidate. i think people assume they are in until they say they are not. reporters saying the government is blocking them from getting for, sometimes for years. congressman jason chaffetz spoke out saying stonewalling will not stand. >> we'll drag the irs up here every single week. you are going to respond to the united states congress. you are going to respond to the

american people. you work for the american people. martha: he will join us next with some asounding attempts to stifle the united states press. bill report anthrax issue. we'll show you whats happening. plus there is this today. martha: that is a skier who went way off the trail. ♪ ♪ when you're living with diabetes steady is exciting. only glucerna has carbsteady clinically proven to help minimize blood sugar spikes. so you stay steady ahead.

martha: the pentagon said it accidentally shipped anthrax to 51 labs. officials confirming those deliveries across 17 states, as well as d.c. shipments have also made its way to canada, south korea and australia. bill: lawmakers lashing out at the administration for what they say is stonewalling information.

my next guest says the administration is living in lala-land. this is jason leopold from your hearing. >> i filed a foia request they refused to comply with my foia aquest necessity said it was too broad. i their yesterday it, they still said it was too broad. recently they said we'll give sow document as long as you promise to never file a foia request again and don't have any others file a foia request. >> how is this legal? >> i don't know but that's what's going on. bill: how is this going on? >> we heard from a number of people outside groups from

judicial watch a whole number of people saying this is a pattern of stonewalling. the obama administration, 550,000 times has denied requests for citizens, americans to get information from their government. and it's absolutely totally wrong. we need to change the law. we heard from national media and watchdog groups and across the board. >> they said we are going to be the most transparent ever. that came out of the president's mouth repeatedly. >> what we did find which is new information is april 15, the white house clarified that. the deputy council sent an email out telling everybody anything you are going to release to the public two the judicial branch, the congress and foia requests

it must come to the white house for its review. i think it's creating a stifling effect. it's letting the bureaucracy know don't let information out the door. >> you are saying the white house controlled all of this. >> they literally sent a three-paragraph memo saying if it has to do with a foia request, or congressional inquiry. send it to the white house and they can look at it and filter it. that's totally different than what the president said in 2009. bill: josh earnest says congress should live up to the same transparency laws. >> we have open transparently saws in terms of congress but we

can't do our job unless they provide the for. we can't do that. >> explain what the effect is when you do not get this information for years congressman. >> it took cbs news 10 years to provide the information. i worry that's what the administration is doing now. >> anything going change as a result of your two-day hearings? >> by law when you submit a freedom of information act you are supposed to be able to gate 10-day extension. i want to tighten up the foia bill. i want a consequence if they don't fulfill that. bill: some folks may think this is boring but it's about

openness. thank you for coming back today. martha. martha: a devastated warning from general david petraeus saying the united states is probably losing the war in iraq he fought so hard for. what will it take to turn things around and is it even possible? bill: these are tar balls washes up on a california beach putting a serious damper on plans to joy the sun and the sand.

bill: they believe more than 70

are dead after a massive explosion in ghana. they say it happened after floodwaters swept fuel into near by buildings. officials calling the death toll catastrophic. martha: a chilling assessment of the state of things in iraq from one of the u.s. most respected leaders. david petreaus is mincing month words on how things are really going. >> these are fights if you are not winning you are probably winning. time is not on your side. >> and we are not winning. >> it it's arguable in iraq. we wouldn't win in iraq. we have to do more in syria and other areas. martha: k.t. macfarland was

deputy secretary of defense in the reagan administration. not surprising general petraeus' comments. but the fact that he's speak out tells us what about this debacle some would say. >> you heard the same thing from former army vices chief of staff jack keane when he testified. he said we are not winning. iraq is gaining grounds. isis is getting recruits from over 100 countries. 25,000 reef kriewts in the last five months. isis has the momentum. military leaders are saying pave attention to this now. that unless contrast with the white house press spokesman say can the plan is fine, it may be

tweaky but the president's battle to defeat isis may have had a setback but everything is on track. i think what you are hearing from petreaus is a plea for a more active engagement. that's what the military guys are saying. they are saying we can reverse this or win this. but that's not what the political people are saying. america doesn't want another reengagement in iraq. if the president is going to change his strategy he has a lot of political road work to do. martha: it's sort of by nature the military to say we have been given a mission and we want to craft a way to win it. we know we have done a surge but it's a different thing when you have the 100% backing of the president of the united states. so this surge that petraeus is discussion or might like to be

relaunched does not have political support. >> to redo the surge again will probably be even more difficult this time around. the iraq government -- iraq is separated into tree three separate parts. there is the dmoirtds. the anbar sunni fliebts middle and the shiite government that's iran has gone the its clutches into. the iraqi army doesn't stand up to gift. they may defend baghdad but they are not defending the kurd other sunnis. you have top recreate an iraq government then go after isis. martha: given what seems like a total lack of resolve by these iraqi soldiers ... >> how many times are you going

to support an incompetent iraqi army. they were confront around the city of mosul by less than 1,000 isis fighters. guess who won? the 1,000 isis fighters because the 30,000 iraqi soldiers dropped their arms and fled. and isis picked up the arms. let's do some out of the box thinking. the middle east is becoming very volatile. the fight is going from country to country. there is a certain lodge nick argument that says if you have two mortal enemies fighting each other don't step in the middle and try to stop them.

martha: that's a good point. bill: the supreme leader of iran the man who will have the final say comparing the f.b.i. to isis. new reaction on this, plus there is this. martha: a skier capturing scary moment on the slopes. this is incredible. he's calling out for help. when we come back.

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geller from the texas cartoon the prophet mohamud. the ayatollah khomeini in iran tweeted we are opposed to the brutal acts of isis in iraq and syria as much as the oppressive behavior of federal police in the u.s. they are all the same. i have got to wonder what goes through your mind as a lifelong police officers and police chief when you hear those word from the ayatollah khomeini. >> it's incredibly frustrating.

law enforcement has a duty to do a fair and independent evaluation and investigation. they also have a duty and obligation to the officers who used force. people who don't have information putting out reports either intentionally or in an an he an emotional state. it's clear he wasn't on a phone he wasn't shot in the back and his last word weren't "i can't breathe." those type of it statements endanger our law enforcement officers' lives. we have seen individual who have taken rhetoric like this and murdered police officers. we need to grow together. we need an independent investigation. we need to dot is and cross

ts. now we have a foreign power commenting on an investigation in the city of boston based on false tweets. march the brother of rahim said pray for my brother rahim who was shot three times in the back and dying his last word, i can't breathe. you responded on your twitter account that it appears to be not true. martha: to tweet these things out, that we just simply don't know the truth of yet. some people have seen this video. when do you think everyone will see that video. >> i know the family is going

through a time of mourning. those false irresponsible pieces of information can lead to people getting hurt. they can lead to officers getting assaulted. we have seen cities burn down with this type of information out there. that's why we need an independent investigation. we need to let the investigators to do what they do. putting on information before you have it is unconscionable. boston police brought in the community and quickly dispelled false information. my information is they are going to show it to the family first. then it will go public. even the critics of the videotape say they still have answers and questions which is

understandable and absolutely necessary. they say the officers approached the officers retreated. he was not on the phone. then we know the shots were fired. martha: we have seen as in the michael brown case, too many times people jumping ahead of the information that they have and creating a narrative like "hand up don't shoot" that takes on a life of it own regardless of the fact that it never happened. the potential for that is evidence. this is a quote from rahim. he says i'm going to be on vacation right here in massachusetts which we know from the investigation is code for i'm going to carry out an act of jihad in massachusetts. i'm going to go after them, those boys in blue. it's the easiest target and the most common is the easiest for me. we have heard that isis is

basically asking these jihadists, would-be jihadists to target law enforcement. all of these incidents the way they are discussed inaccurately plays into they headist philosophy of trying to rally someone and incite them to violence. i'm seeing alink in terms of the way we are inspiring would-be actors. >> disenfranchised kid are no longer joining street gangs to get a sense of belong. they are now joining international terrorist groups. if they can't travel to syria or pakistan or wherever the group is fighting in military battle, they have been encouraged to do stuff at home. they have been told. just go and assault police officers. go attack military personnel at places they hang out or have

lunch or what have you. we need to be concerned about this. there is a change in what's happening in america. diseven franchised youth are no longer going to street gangs they are going to terror organizations. you don't have to travel anymore. martha: they sense there is a vulner bit in this country and a controversy going on. and it's quite striking and very scary. are you concerned about law enforcement across is country? police officers have to be both with the intern discussion going on about the lack of trust in the community. and terrorist incidents. we have a two-fold attack. martha: we hope they will be able to support the ones that may be out there.

bill: thought they made a smart play by showing it privately to community leaders and having them comment on it. and that's the way it's been in boston. they thought they did it effectively. martha: this whole threat is being tapped into by isis recruiters. they sense the vulnerability in these young people and that's an opportunity for them. bill: you might remember hillary clinton answering questions from the press a few days ago. now the poll i is this. in no interviews at today's campaign event. what's up with that? martha: a plot to kill police officers was foiled in boston. that was a victory for surveillance. but can it be done? what more can we do to stop this isis recruiting campaign.

>> we don't have isil sitting in the united states. we have individual who taken up the call to arms based on isil's messaging.

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it's a challenge to get a full understanding of just how many of those passive followers are taking action. bill: that's michael steinbach. he says though the f.b.i. monitors the suspects in all 50 states it's becoming harder to monitor because of social media. senator, this is a moving target is it not? >> it is. we have the metastasissization of jihad around the globe. bill: the nsa surveillance program, 65% of americans believe that program prevented a terrorist attack. what did you think when you saw that number? >> i think the american people

understand we face a decade-long fight and need an intelligence community armed with a tool. it makes it more difficult for americans to protect funding amountal freedoms. i think the world is clearly a more dangerous place than it was and some of the lead-in you had about social media takes it possible for i wouldn't call it command and control for if the foreign fight officers flocking to syria and iraq, they are urging people to stay at home and plan attacks here. bill: you think the house screwed this up? >> we need sufficient tools for the intelligence community to protect us in the age of jihad. this agency doesn't have an effective strategy. bill: we talk about trust and

who americans trust with information. i want to put your focus on the bottom. not much at not at all. 61% do not trust the federal government. 58% do not trust the phone companies. i don't know if you are ever going to change that. >> washington is broken and dysfunctional in ways that have bred distrust. a lot of stuff that's done here is incompetent. there is lots of doubt and distrust of the government and it's unable. bill: give us an example. >> people are outraged about the leaked story on the tsa success

rate-failure rate. 70 times according to public reports is all i'm krieghts. 70 times in recent months there have been attempts by the government see how we audit these systems. 70 attempts to get weapons and explosives on to airplanes. 90 per are failure rate. they are not providing people with the confidence them deter of. bill: they don't trust the government or the phone companies, how do they trust the tsa. >> we know you see the metastasis of foreign jihadists. one of the most basic lessons of 9/11 was the government was supposed to learn to prevent the weaponization of the aircraft. the city needs a lot more

urgency about a long-term strategy. >> are you argue that report should not have gone public and what that have been better? >> we want to make sure we are not giving a template to terrorists to show what the weaker points are. but right now there are a lot of weak points. we should be telling the american people more about what's broken, i agree with that. by want to make sure it doesn't give the terrorists a roadmap. martha: some lawmakers are saying they are worried that u.s. embassies in mexico could now be a terrorist target. we'll talk about that. plus this.

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mountain. in the group was his far it and sister when he fell down that contractdowndown thecrevasse. he took out and ice pick and tried to work his way out of the crevasse. people heard him screaming. he guide them to help them rescue him and he worked his way up out of that crevasse. the last scene that is caught on this video shows him emerging from what could have been his snowy, icy grave. half an hour he was caught inside there. he then skied down a half mile

more of the slope before he was rescued by a medical emergency helicopter. out of the a precaution he was brought to the hospital. he said i don't think i'm injured and he wasn't. luckily this guy knew what he was doing. martha: he's a long-time french skier. the rescue alone obviously family came back to look for him and they found him. bill: you could hear the whistle. make more room at the table. there is news from jeb bush and rick perry today. campaign carl cameron will tell us what's happening on that front. martha: hillary clinton is telling the press you are going

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martha: it is ever growing 2016 presidential field. we await official announcement today. this is something we do every few days, right bill? today it will be former texas governor rick perry. governor jeb bush says alert, alert. he will launch his campaign june 15th, he did that via twitter. welcome to "america's newsroom." i'm martha maccallum. bill: i'm bill hemmer. the announcement from governor bush announces six months after he said he was exploring idea. he has been crisscrossing the country giving speeches and raising money. governor perry has been doing pretty much the same a lot of time in iowa. chief political correspondent carl cameron in texas. carl what can we expect today from governor perry there? >> reporter: well the former texas governor, longest serving governor in texas is hoping the second time is the charm.

he will launch his campaign today. not a big surprise. all the candidates give us hints when they will be announcing as jeb bush did this morning saying it will be in 11 days. there is a little bit of frustration here in the perry world that mr. bush chose to do this today. perry like candidates on their announcement days will make a big speech. he will be flanked on the stage by tia kyle the widow of sniper chris kyle and marcus luttrell and who wrote the book, the last survivor. perry is a veteran. you will see behind me the big c-130 in the hangar. it has his name. he flew those in the air force. there will be a big military. the speech comes a couple hours from now. take a listen to the video. >> i will put my weapon up against any competitor out there

2016 will not be an election about lofty rhetoric. it will be about a record of leadership. it is going to be a show me, don't tell me election where voters will look past what you say, to what you've done. >> reporter: perry as the governor of texas has a strong economic and jobs record. he led the country in jobs when the jobs were being hemorrhaged during the great recession. he argues his experience and his executive experience particularly better suits him to be the president particularly against some of these legislators. in the case of jeb bush it is an argument about old versus new. perry has been in public office virtually all of his adult life working for the government he believes he brings a different kind of republican conservatism. in the case of jeb bush there is going to be a battle. he is only 11 days from joining it bill. bill: what about jeb bush's timing? he will follow hillary clinton

by 48 hours. you think there is something at work there? >> reporter: of course there is. the number of things at work. the announcement today that steps on perry is really pretty much coincidence. the reality is jeb bush has a european trip planned next week. when he comes back from that trip he will be making his announcement. it will come a couple of days after hillary clinton. it will come at a time when his super pac will have exceeded their stated goal of raising $100 million. insiders are saying they will go above that in the super pac. for jeb bush it is about beginning to really come out and campaign hard. he has been accused of being sometimes a little bit aloof around not really in pace and step with rest of the field. some argue that is rope-a-dope and he is getting serious. many ways the same kind of hillary clinton has been getting not taking questions. once she announces presumably she will get off the bench and we'll see aggressive race both on republican and democratic

side. bill: thank you carl cameron in texas. more on this. martha. martha: chris stirewalt. fox news digital politics editor. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> rick perry we watched him go down this road before. remind everybody what is looked like for him? >> the poll you're talking about before rick perry, as they would say in texas he doesn't draw much water. he is down in the far bottom tier and that is very different than where we was four years ago when he got in the race. he was so big four years ago when he got in the race he skipped the debate in iowa. he skipped the iowa straw poll and went down and did his own thing in south carolina. turns out people in iowa didn't like that very much. perry was so dominant as the conservative alternative to mitt romney four years ago he could do anything he wanted. then it collapsed. we remember the oops moment that he had in november of 2007 ven but long before he got to that

moment attacks from romney on social security, on immigration rick santorum definitely piled on. everybody piled on to perry over the immigration issue. and he lost ground lost ground lost ground. once he was knocked off from the top spot he never came back. that was it for rick perry. >> blamed problems with his back, saying he really wasn't 100% during that run of the his wife said i encouraged him to run. and you know she wishes she hadn't. perhaps that wasn't his moment. in politics your moment is everything. and you're accurate of course he was really on a roll back then. so the question is, but you know not everybody pays attention to this whole thing like we all do. most people don't pay attention for quite some time. it is possible let's put the polls up chris referred to a little while ago. you could argue at 4% you're not that far away from the guy at 10% at this point, chris. it is anybody's game. >> well yeah, it is anybody's

game but but it is anybody's game who people don't know. if you look at somebody like scott walker consistently first place or tied for first over the last several months, when we look at scott walker he is relatively little-known. people don't know him very well. his name identification is low compared to somebody like jeb bush. rick perry is a known commodity. changing people's attitudes is much harder in politics than to convince them the first time. scott walker in many ways in the position now that rick perry was in the previous cycle which is conservative governor, who is a pressure face, who comes into the national discuss. people say hey, this looks like the guy that can beat the establishment candidate. martha: look what happened to perry last time. everyone of these people is very vulnerable at this point because you can look like the frontrunner you could be a rudy giuliani or rick perry and look like it is yours to lose and then you do. >> well it certainly for scott walker he could he could end up like george w. bush

consolidate the party and go on to victory or end up like rick perry and be defeated. he could be cast off. in that case it would be more likely marco rubio or another fresh face would come in as people try him out. getting people to try again rick perry and his wife tell a very compelling story. you have to feel bad for them and their experiences and what went wrong including the parts of it that were not their fault. but in reality for voters getting people to change their mind about you is hard to do. perry in a crowded field has a long uphill climb ahead of him. martha: you have to really want to do this thing because it is hard and long and requires support of your family and a whole lot of money in the equation unfortunately. chris, see you next time. >> you bet. bill: don't even think about it. warning to hillary clinton's camp for journalists hoping to get questions in today's event in texas. staff sell sending out email saying there is no opportunities

to interview hillary clinton. her speech will be her interview. that will not sit well with our we've white house correspondent ed henry in texas. what did it say. what was the reaction? >> reporter: it came out to reporters like myself said we would be here in houston for this event. to be clear came from texas southern university the organizers. obviously anything the university or any venue punch puts out usually goes through the campaign that will be hosting the event, featured at the event. given the fact that hillary clinton has been so reluctant to take questions from reporters to get a note i have never seen from a democrat republican, independent i have covered a lot of these events, saying her speech or his speech will be the interview, that is kind of an odd, bizarre statement to hear. what hillary clinton wants to do today is talk about voting rights here in texas. it's a hot button issue. she wants to talk about early voting. call for early voting 20 days out all around the country,

something that will be debated a lot heading into 2016. but the idea that after she gives that speech we can't ask a couple of questions continues to be very puzzling, bill. bill: and when you think about the clinton stories over the past several months, there is some new polling numbers how voters feel about the scandals. >> new fox poll out last night. pretty interesting because we've heard from the campaign consistently this is republican fascination. most of the electorate couldn't care about it. our poll last night finding look at these numbers 61% of the voters it is very or somewhat likely bill or hillary clinton sold influence to donors through the clinton foundation. 33% say it is not likely. that is a clear majority. the campaign has been telling us in recent days democratic primary voters don't care about this our poll suggests when you look deeper into the numbers that is not necessarily true. in a general election, swing

voters independent voters decide general elections don't care about it. these numbers suggest they do care about it. bill: ed, keep your questions to a minimum. we're keeping track. ed henry in houston, texas prime time tonight, 10:00 eastern time, sean hannity sits down for the hour with rick perry. check that out here on fox. martha: as we await rick perry's presidential announcement we'll talk to one of his big supporters. a person you know here well in "america's newsroom." we'll talk to the width drove of chris kyle, why she is so passionate about rick perry and supportive of him. bill: baltimore attorney marilyn mosby wants to stop not publish the autopsy in the gray case. why would they she want to do that. martha: the worst part some of the government can not track

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gray died in april after suffering a severe spinal cord injury. six officers are charged in his death and mosby saying the prosecutors are trying to insure a fair and impartial process. but an attorney for one of the officers charged says the move shows the prosecution has something to hide. martha: federal investigators saying they believe that the two boston terrorist suspects were likely radicalized online by isis a move becoming a trend. we're continuing to see this in other plots as well. during a hearing yesterday counterterrorism officials warned that the use of social media by isis is unprecedented. >> isil has been able to quickly reach a global audience and encourage acts of violence inspiring u.s. citizens to travel to syria to recruit and radicalize. >> it is social media presence is wide letter than any other

terrorist group. isil shapes the effects of violent operations and activities they do so to project an image of power and intimidation. martha: texas republican congresswoman martha mcsally is member of the homeland security hearing and she was at the hearing. good to have you here this morning. >> thank you. martha: you see what happened in boston obviously and it makes you extremely concerned, i know, about how active these online recruiting efforts are and there are so many vulnerable young men and women as you point out who for some reason, are succumbing to this. >> absolutely. i came from a classified update on this and the other terrorist threats abroad and at home and what we're seeing is, the sophisticated social media campaign, over 200,000 isis-related tweet as day, think about that. they're using to it recruit individuals to come to the fight, get training, join the fight in iraq and syria and

maybe flow back. they're trying to inspire individuals wherever they are to radicalize them and take action in their own communities. boston is another example. looks like individuals, they wanted to take action. they're an action oriented terrorist organization. great work by federal and local law enforcement. they were tracking this guy but what about the ones we're not tracking? what about the ones we're not seeing based on that unprecedented activity, very sophisticated we're seeing on multiple social media sites to include traditional ones, facebook and others? also the ones we call dark spaces encrypted end to end. law enforcement even with a warrant can't actually get access to see what is going on there. martha: we had congressman mccaul on, the chairman of the committee on yesterday. here is what he said to remind folks at home. >> even if we have coverage by say a warrant or wiretap, they can jump into a message box and into another platform called dark space we can not cover. we don't know what those

communications are. martha: so we have to fix that problem, right? >> absolutely. this is really an unprecedented situation that we're in. that law enforcement when they have probable cause they go get a warrant, they are really unable to be able to identify what is being communicated in some of these dark spaces. so we definitely have to fix that problem. additionally we have only four people at the department of homeland security focused on community outreach trying to deal with local communities local muslim leaders to try and address the radicalization out in our communities. there is just four of them. there are 300 million of us. the boston case i think is another example where friends and family, there is reports that friends had identified he was becoming more radical and they distanced himself from them. we're really the first line of defense, friends and families. you see something is not right in someone that you love, someone that attends your worship area, someone in your family, you have to be the one

that doesn't walk away but actually identifies what is growing on and reports that to law enforcement. we're really the first line of defense. martha: you make a great point, congresswoman. there are two-ways to do that. you can say please help us, please let us know if you think something is not right. you think someone you know or love or care about is an acquaintance brewing something but there is another side of that too. at what point does it become not lawful to not turn over that information? >> that is a good element of that. we don't want to have everybody living in paranoid and fear and turning in their friends and neighbors. that's not what we're talking about. what we're talking about we have an environment where people are being basically isolated and then radicalized very yaw very sophisticated social media campaigns. so people in their lives that need to at least be on the alert and take appropriate action and i don't know i would go that far to hold them accountable if they

don't but we have to be very careful to protect people's privacy and not go overboard. we can't hope someone else will figure this out. this can't be a top-down approach from washington d.c. this is local law enforcement again local churches, community-based individuals and family and friends that really with the -- are the ones that should be what this transition is for some kids individuals and alerts people. rahim was being watched 24/7 by the fbi. he was example of someone they knew was very much a potential threat. garland texas is a great example of national law enforcement working with local law enforcement to make sure people were kept safe. these are the situations we know about. it is ones that we don't know about is the problem. martha: i'm sure you're concerned there are some we don't know about i would imagine. >> yeah. martha: we have to leave it there. congresswoman mcsally from arizona. good to talk to you.

>> good to talk to you. bill: there are concerns about potential threats against americans from overseas. why some lawmakers that a u.s. embassy could be the next benghazi. we'll tell you why. martha: hillary clinton refusing to take questions at the vast majority of her campaign events. do voters care she is not interested in answering anybody's questions? we'll have a fair and balanced debate on that. >> i think the american public at some point are going to say we have to hear directly from the candidate through the press to discuss what is going on.

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martha: two people are dead after a chain-reaction crash involving a bus and a tractor-trailer in central texas. nearly a dozen more were hurt. authorities say the bus driver didn't notice traffic had stopped slammed into the back of

a truck that hit two other cars. the driver of the bus was killed along with another passenger. bill: growing concerns about the safety of americans south of our border. congressman is pushing to close u.s. consulates in three different cities in mexico after a rash of violence in that country. william la jeunesse on the story. william, what did you find out? >> reporter: well, bill criminal gangs cartel violence continues to plague mexico. homicide, extortion, robbery, all remain high. 100 u.s. citizens were murdered. 130 kidnapped last year. two days ago gunmen killed a congressional candidate. eight politicians dead ahead of sunday's midterm elections. the state department is warning that violent conflicts between rival criminal elements and or the mexican military can occur all parts of the region all parts of the day near the south texas border. no highway rout are considered

safe. because of, some congressman want the secretary of state consider closing consulates in matamaroos. and guadalajara. >> they're not considered travel youing through at night or dusk. roving roadblocks. various cartel checkpoints that are thrown up in the last minute. as well as corrupt mexican police and federal officials. >> reporter: not good. the consulate reported hundreds of firefights involving machine guns and explosives. explosives partially destroyed two government buildings. bill: what is happening at the the consulates on a daily basis and why aren't we hearing more about it. >> reporter: consulates are busier than ever because of flood of u.s. investment one reason why the government is suppresses reporting about the violence.

congressman jason chaste fetes says the area is not safe for tourists or diplomats. >> i want to know from secretary kerry why are those consulates still open if it is so dangerous we can't properly protect them? should they close them? if they're not going to close them what are they going to do to insure the safety and security of americans? >> reporter: so it is doubtful that state would actually close those consulates but this letter from house oversight this morning puts the department on notice that congress of course is watching. back to you. bill: william la jeunesse, stay on it from los angeles. martha? martha: another republican candidate preparing to shake up the race. former texas governor rick perry is set to launch the white house bid today. he already has one high-profile supporter, taya kyle, wife of "american sniper" chris kyle. she joins u bill: flying saucers no longer stuff of science fix. why nasa is about to test the biggest parachute ever made. ♪

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martha. martha: meantime, new details on the terror plot that was followed this week in boston. we now know the activists behind last month's draw muhammad contest where two would-be attackers were killed in texas was the original target of this boston pair. the suspects planned to behead pamela geller, according to the evidence here but turned their sights to police officers when that became too difficult. experts say that those these types of plots have them very very concerned. >> i don't think we've seen a concern for law enforcement safety for this in some time in my entire career. police officers have to be both, with internal discussion going on from lack of trust with the community we have to work hard to get back and terrorist incidents, we have a two-fold attack on law enforcement in this country. martha: a task force confronted usaama rahim on tuesday. he is on the right-hand side of your screen. he was shot and killed when he refused to drop the eight-inch

military knife he was carrying. a relative, david wright was arrested and charged with conspiracy with a federal investigation to destroy the smartphone and get rid of the evidence. bill: we are two hours away from the official kickoff for rick perry's presidential campaign. his success as governor in texas for 14 years will be a central theme as you see from the video just released from his campaign. >> we need a president who has done the right things. we need a president who bridges the partisan divide, rather than widen it. who brings people together. we must do right and risk the consequences. bill: one of perry's biggest supporters is taya kyle the widow of "american sniper" chris kyle and author of book, "american wife." taya, good morning to you there in addison texas. thank you for your time. >> good morning, thank you for

yours. bill: why governor perry? >> you know honestly my whole goal here is to testify to what kind of person i believe he is. it has been my belief for a long time that the first step, the first thing you need to do when you're looking for somebody to lead is to look at their character. so this is a man who has shown me behind the scenes, his wife, his family, that they are good people. that they care about veterans. that they care about everyday people not just politics. and i think i have seen them do some hard decisions that they have had to make with looking at their own moral compass. you know, i respect somebody that has that moral ground and is still reasonable. bill: taya, i saw the letter of support you put out. i just want to share a part of that with our viewers. this is what you write. one of the greatest things my husband chris kyle ever did was move our family to texas. i got to know rick and anita perry outside of public eye where i have up close view of their humility and commitment to doing the right thing for people

regardless who gets the credit. believe me, they are a breath of fresh air in a political system full of people playing games and twisting the truth. how well do you know them, then, taya? >> well honestly they have, they are the type of people, like i said, who are very real and we hang out with the kids and them outside of the public eye. i have known them to be great friends to the luttrells. you know mrs. perry and i talk on the phone. she is somebody i have gone to for personal advice before. we have some very personal conversations. i can tell you that the expectations is not for anybody to be perfect in their life but that they are there to love people through the hard times to show compassion and softness and still be strong in the face of their own troubles. so although i'm not really interested in getting involved in politics, i have got to tell you their character and what they have shown me behind the scenes kind of put me in the position where i feel like more people need to know. i'm tired of the smoke and

mirrors. i am tired of the high gloss sy press people want you to see. i want to know as a leader who they are as a person. that is why i'm here. bill: he spent a lot of time in iowa already. he had a tough go of it four years ago. what would be different this time? i'm sure you asked him about it. what did he say? >> you know i haven't asked him about what would be different this time. like i said, i think what you're referring to four years ago was probably the debate and i almost have to laugh at that because that is precisely what i can not stand about politics right now. is that a person can read the teleprompter the best. i'm sorry, that has nothing to do with intelligence with decision making with who they are as a person and how they will make decisions that will guide this country. to me that is all that smoke and mirrors stuff i'm quite frankly tired of. i would rather know the person, the belief and how they are going to lead. bill: i get it. politics to the side, what makes him special? why would he be a good commander-in-chief? why would you vote for him to

lead america? >> well, okay, first of all i think we need somebody who knows the military and i know that he knows the military. he has experience. i find it difficult to want to have a commander-in-chief who has no experience being in the trenches whatsoever. so that is appealing to me. i also know as a man that he is a christian man. that is important to me. i have never seen him force that on anybody else. but i like somebody that feels like they answer to a higher power so that it is not just all about them all the time. that they truly are going to a higher power to see what they can do. to the be the person who is best for all the people. i also think economics is something that is a little bit frightening in our country right now. and i like the fact that he has a business mind and has been able to do well for our state economically. those are you know those are to me the core of what we need in a leader for this country. bill: i hear the case you're making. what do you think your husband would think about you being there today? >> well you know, chris and i

both agree politics is not something we really wanted to get involved in. at the same time i also feel very strongly at some point you have to stand up for what you believe in. i really feel like i'm not, i'm not saying anything controversial here. what i'm saying is, that i believe in electing a leader who has a strong moral compass, who cares about people, not just himself and his own agenda, and who is humble and and that is, is good economically. i think chris would support that 100%. bill: taya, thank you for your time. we'll see you at the event 12:30 eastern time. we'll cover it live. you will be in the airport hangar behind you, c-130, marcus luttrell, navy seal from lone survivor. thank you for being here. >> you bet. martha: incredible video of firefighters racing into a burning building. flames shooting out of this apartment building in sacramento. this is view from the

firefighters cameras. look at this. showing moment they raced into the intern know. at one point you can see everything go dark. this is what it is like to be one of those incredibly brave firefighters. they released this video for one purpose. they want to remind people to have smoke detectors in their house. to make sure there are batteries in them and they work. bill: with these helmet cams and gopro, we're seeing a lot more of this point of view among these firefighters. martha: makes you appreciate how brave they are. bill: certainly right. hillary clinton will not take questions from the reporters. is the blackout then helping or hurting her campaign? there are new polls with surprising results from everyday americans. we'll sew that to you plus there is this. [cheering] martha: soldiers surprises his setter. makes -- sister. makes it home to see her

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bill: >> [crying] bill: private first class nicholas hughes was given a few weeks leave to watch his little sister graduate from high school and meet his new baby brother. great stuff. enjoyed it. martha: brand new fox polls show that the growing scandals surrounding the clinton foundation may not be really troubling to americans. watch this. 61% say that they believe that it is either very or somewhat

likely that the clintons were selling their influence to donors. 61% say yep, think they used the foundation to gain influence. but here is the kicker. concern about those allegations of clinton's dishonesty and unethical behavior. 41% say not really. doesn't really bother them. another 26 say not very, doesn't bother them either. lars larsen, syndicated radio talk show host with alpha media networks. and we have a former media chief of staff for former president bill clinton. are you surprised by numbers. >> a lot of people have not been following the clinton foundation scandal like a lot of us. americans watch her over the last 10 years. a lot of us concluded she is cynical and paranoid and more than a little bit corrupt of those activities. i don't think americans trust her. her disapproval numbers are pretty high for a presidential candidate. telling reporters that giving a speech is the equivalent to

answering questions to reporters is not the way to repair that trust. reporters figure out pretty quickly i know i did a long time, anything a politician doesn't want to talk about is probably where the best story lies. >> hmmm. let me start with the numbers, david, when you look at those. bill clinton had very low numbers for honest and trustworthy but he was mired with a bunch issues with women when he was running as president but didn't seem to hurt him either. have the clintons calculated you know what doesn't really matter if people don't trust us, they vote for us anyway. >> first of all i appreciate the battlefield promotion but i was not deputy chief of staff. i was only deputy staff secretary. martha: duly noted. thank you for confessing our mistake. >> no problem. i will say this, i think what these poll numbers miss is what do americans want in a leader? what do they want to see? what they want to see is somebody who fights for them. somebody who stands on principle. somebody is who is looking out for every day americans, middle

class wage earners and others and the does reflect americans in large numbers view hillary clinton someone who reflects those characteristics. they might say yeah i don't like this, i don't like that but i like the way she fights for people. martha: i want to get back to this point about the press. basically they're getting the strong arm you know, back off. we're not going to answer any questions. here is what john sununu said about that last night with greta. >> she seems to have made a decision in her campaign that she is not going to respond. she is not going to show up. she is not going to answer questions for the press. they seem to be counting on the energy of their base and gender politics to take care of it in the long run. i think they're making a mistake. martha: they basically said that the speech she is going to give is the interview, press. so don't expect anything else. and here's the message that we got from tcu where she was speaking which basically says, there will be no opportunities to interview her. her speech is her interview. there was discussion of

barricades. stay behind them. there is a bathroom. cordoning off the press in this environment david. and that is, you're saying that is strategy and they're sticking with it? >> well john sununu is accusing hillary clinton of running a disciplined, well-organized campaign. if that is the case she is guilty of running a disciplined organized campaign. when she is willing to go in front of the reporters to ask all kinds of open-ended questions. martha: one time, 3 1/2 minutes, david. >> she went to capitol hill to answer questions about benghazi. going back to capitol hill to answer questions about benghazi. martha: that is not the press. >> president obama got accused of somehow circumventing to the press when he went to zillow to roll out economic news. the press doesn't like it or presidential candidates go another route. we're in a new world where social media online media other means of communications to get to voters count more than going in front of a press conference. so stay tuned. there will be a lot more of this. i know the people working

campaign. they're good at it. there will be a lot of different ways to talk to reporters. martha: i'm sure they find every way possible to avoid these questions because the questions are tough. people will want to know where is the server, mrs. clinton? can we look at your server? if there is nothing on there you're concerned about no reason not to turn it over. the state department would like to see it. the national archives said they were concerned when you left the state department taking everything with you that is simply not allowed. lars there are tough questions. you know what? maybe she is making the right choice for herself. >> no. i think this is very dangerous. she is making nixon on seat credittiveness look like a piker by comparison. the press over last couple of decades have been very friendly to the clintons. they can turn around and bite. reporters who are told you're not allowed to ask questions can turn around very quickly. reporters can behave like sharks. decide anything that flips and flops tries to swim away is probably food. hillary is acting like roy

shieder standing on back of the boat throwing chum in the water saying i will not answer any of your questions. secretary clinton shouldn't be surprised when the shark turns around to try to bite her. >> the shark has tried to biter for decades. she is doing right now. she is doing great job. running disciplined campaign. answering questions when set something right. giving a speech is setting is right. if reporters don't like it they can try their best but american people are getting good connection with her. martha: i understand what you're saying. we're a long way out. she is slipping a bit in the numbers. whether that reflects in the numbers remanx to be seen. gentlemen, thank you. >> thank you, martha. >> jon scott next on "happening now." what are you working on? >> another gop hopeful expected to throw his hat in the 2016 ring today. thrust a growing -- does a geeing number of candidates help or hurt the chances for the white house? chris wallace joins us. a young couple buys a dream

home. they soon realize they're not alone in the house. the creepy things they found that are sparking a lawsuit. it dominate the headlines decades ago. today the triggerman in the pamela smart murder case is free. what is next for the then 16-year-old killer? we have it "happening now." bill: interesting. jon, we'll see you in ten minutes. >> quite a story. see you bill. bill: the future of space travel is about to take off. nasa will test a flying saucer using the largest parachute ever made. question for you, maccallum? martha: yes. bill: will it work, my lady? martha: i will tell you after the break. ♪ if i buy a car through usaa, i know i'm getting a fair price.

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bill: staple of science fiction moving closer to reality.

nasa will test an actual flying saucer getting ready for a future landing on mars. we have the managing editor of space.com. how are you doing tariq. glad to see you back in studio today. >> nice to be here, bill. bill: are you calling it a saucer? >> nasa is calling eight flying saucer so why not. it has two parts. this inflatable flying saucer that is supposed to slow a spacecraft down from about mach 4. it has the supersonic parachute the biggest that nasa has ever made for any kind of spacecraft. and the goal is to have those two things work together to land hopefully, things bigger than the rover we have on mars now, the one ton rover. they want to go twice that big if not more in the future. bill: the thinking here correct me if you were to send human beings to mars you have to literally slow down the flying

object to land safely on mars and you could be coming in 33,000 mile-an-hours. >> spacecraft here on either come in at mach 25. the asian thinner on mars. they have to slow down as much as possible. parachutes alone don't do that you need one that they will launch this week is 100 feet wide, the biggest ever deployed. they have flying saucer part, inflatable cone shape brake that will fire first, slow it down from mach 4. they release the parachute. hopefully slow down more and hopefully have a nice, gentle touchdown. >> they scratched it yesterday and possibly today so make over the weekend. the reason in the pacific ocean the waves are too high. they want to capture the saucer and that large parachute and they can make sure -- >> study later. bill: exactly. >> they will launch it from a giant balloon from hawaii. it will drop and kick another

rocket motor to go higher. when it splashes down in the ocean they have a recovery crew. the waves need to be even so the crew has easy time to get it. they have to fish it up with a crain to it pit on a boat. they want to see how the chute survived supersonic flight down. bill: if you want to get to mars you need to do this. what do you think they have a shot again. >> they are looking through friday. they have windows through the early part of next week. we could see something happening over the weekend. bill: tariq malik. space.com. >> pleasure. bill: martha. martha: rick perry will give it another try in 2016. the former texas governor set to announce his 2016 campaign. how does he stack up against a growing field of republican rivals.

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we didn't win. it was a 5-k in central park and thousand dollars of people turned out including the beastie boys and there are they. >> our producers! you say he ran but he is not n picture and he had a good time. we are not sure if we believe him. we are looking for evidence. have a good day. the republican field for president is growing even larger today. former texas governor rick perry is about to make it official as others firm up their plans as well. i am jon scott. >> and i am uma in for jenna lee today. governor perry set to make the announcement at 12:30 eastern time. and jeb bush is making the big announce announcement on june 15th and on june 16th donald trump