charged with driving with an invalid license. there you can see the koch busted open the window just as he threatened, having an expired license plate and failing to produce his license upon demand. provoked him. >> just a bit. i'm kimberly guilfoyle. it's 5:00 in new york city, and this is the five. tonight, part two of the fox news exclusive interview with the duggars. the christian conservative family has been under intense national scrutiny following admissions there was impro viet in their home more than a decade ago. at 9:00 eastern on the kelly file we'll hear from two of the four sisters victimized by their brother josh and re-victimized as the story became public.

here are jessa and jill duggar on why they came forward. >> we didn't choose to come out and tell our story. this wouldn't have been our first choice. but now that this story has been brought about, we really feel like as we've been seeing these headlines, as we've been seeing things that people are saying about our family we feel like as victims, we have to come out and speak. most of this stuff out hear is lie -- there is lies. it's not true. >> parents jim bob and michelle say their daughters have forgiven their eldest son. >> the girls have totally forgiven josh and gone on. and josh is now a wonderful husband, father. he's a godly man. sometimes there's young people that make mistakes that get involved in alcohol and drugs and different things in their youth. and then they get treatment. they get therapy. they go on and they become very

great people. >> all right, greg you seemed like you were listening intently to what he was saying. >> i guess i'm troubled by the fact that we keep talking about it. because i never really cared about these people. i didn't know who they were but what bothers me is how weird it all is. this should really be a reality show. >> oh, wait it is. >> okay. why do we have to choose sides? why is it that now this is becoming another political football for the left and the right. everybody has to choose sides over everything. the people who support traditional values feel they must defend this family because they feel they are aebing linked to it. you're not being linked at all. imagine peaceful protesters involved in a march and there are rioters. you do not defend the rioters. you say, those are different people and you condemn the behavior. so i don't like the idea that everybody feels that they have to stand up and say because they're part of a team that i belong to that i have to defend them. and i said this the first time.

josh is be being defended as a godly man. what that suggests to me is that if you are not ungodly, you're somehow held poto a higher standard. because if you are not godly, you do not rely on the forgiveness clause that godly people have therefore you do not get this out. i don't think that's pair. >> so that's your take away from it? >> i've got it. >> we'll come back to you again. >> it's not the brady bunch. >> it kind of is. some people are saying they're getting this criticism. people trying to take them down. it's a christian family, putting them out there with traditional values with the juxtaposition of lena dunham. >> when they go out on tv they open themselves up to scrutiny. you don't have to defend bad things because you had some sort of similar belief system as the

duggars. i also will point out that if it weren't for their belief system i don't think their name would be out there. i don't think they would release their names. they're minors. not only josh's name but the victims' names were released. they were babies five and eight and ten years old get. i'm wondering if part of the reason was because of their belief system. >> they were five when they were molested. you just said that. >> and i'm not, but my point is there are a lot of people who are five when they're molested and and they stay blacked out of by law, they're not supposed to be doing that. there was a decision made to leak their names to the press, and there was another decision made by press, by a media group to actually print their names. my point is had they not been so christian and the show being so christian based, would those two decisions have been made the same way? i'm not sure

>> it's another team sport. >> all right. i'm going to bring in dana and juan in a moment but critics have been saying a lot about the duggars. are they genuine? or have they been acting all these years? here is michelle and jim bob's response. >> when we got this 12 years ago, when people have seen us on tv now they're questioning whether the duggars fake all this time or whatever. no they're seeing our family actual went through this. our family was broken. our family was humbled by all this. >> we haven't been fake. when people come up and say we love your show it it's like, thank you, but it's not a show. it's really our life. we are just a family honestly living god, purposing by god to do the next right thing. and 12 years ago, we did the best that we knew how at that point, and we've learned some things since then. and by god's grace we're going to continue to learn and help our children and our

grandchildren. >> well their daughters are also cooperating onuldn't commenting on the criticism. >> some people i've heard them saying you're hypocrites. well if you go back and look at everything that people have seen in our lives on television you know we've never claimed to be a poererfect family. my parents have always stated we are not a perfect family. we are just a family. >> challenges and vugles like anybody else. >> with lots of kids. >> what do you think about the communication here? >> it's something i've been paying attention to. "in touch" magazine is the one who did the report. they said they did the foia request. why would they feel the need to reveal their names. okay. so you could have sympathy for the victims. interestingly, "in touch" magazine today is pushing back

against jim bob and his wife by suggests that actually he were hiding information, and they've come back with a rebuttal. so now i can imagine that the duggar family is going to do that. so we could be here for a while going back and forth. the country has many big issues to have to think about. but this is and this shouldn't have to be one of them. i kind of reseptember having to be made -- >> to choose. you must choose! >> i'm not going to choose. i'm against child molestation. let's just put it out there like that. i am interested in the communications. you have a cable tv show with a family that relished being in the spotlight. they liked being out there. then when this comes up their story is a little bit unraveling in some cases, and i think "in touch" magazine is going to do whatever it can to protect themselves and maybe some people will choose sides, but there's actually a serious you have a serial situation. there was not just one victim.

and he goes and tells his parents when he's 14. and then there's sort of this weird thing where they go to the police but touch base with a guy who is now serving time for child molestation. it does seem that it would be better if it were fixction, unfortunately, it's reality. >> why do you have to pick sides? that's the way it feels. you have to either line up with the duggars or -- that's ridiculous. there was a sex therapist who's come out and said we were invited by the duggars to talk to their children but they never told us that abuse took place. and of course as dana was saying "in touch" has come back with a guy who wasna jail. and this guy knew jim bob all

along. iefb you know i think it's culture wars. we have the caitlin jenner situation. a lot of people feel they do have to choose a side. their values are under attack. and they feel like it's the left saying okay to caitlin jenner and the left that would condemn this family that's always projected themselves as good strong christians following orthodox christian values so now there's a moment of problems they're really going to slam this family. and people feel oh, i'm under attack because the duggars are under attack. >> i respect an argument in all of this. and they stress that treatment of offending youth. it's like 95% effective 95% of those who offend sexually assault when they're young don't get arrested for future acts which i think is really an important point to make. but there's something about i'm coming at this from a non-religious perspective. i have absolute complete

admiration for people who preach. when you see people out on the street with their science and bibles i think that's most guts anybody ever has to sit there and fight the mob as they walk by. i love those people even though i don't believe. i see, that is the bravest thing i've ever seen when i see these guys in london or hyde park or sixth avenue when everybody's trying to get away from them. that's different than people who must remind you of how religious they are every single day with stuff telling you how religious, how important this is because that's justifying behavior. it's justifying behavior. >> right now, you know the bull's eye for a lot of people. they have been so aggressive in pushing that point of view. and, remember they've got things at stake. there's talk already about the daughters that you saw just having their own spin-off show in case the duggars gets canceled. they've got book deals out. so money comes into this as

well. >> i think we should leave it right there. >> no. let's go for another hour. >> don't miss part two of the duggar interview on the kelly file tonight at 9:00 eastern. ahead, a "new york times" report that could sink the candidacy of marco rubio. just kidding. you're going to get a great laugh at what the first lady thinks.

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texas crowd that republicans don't want minorities or young people to exercise their right to vote. >> republicans are systematically and deliberately trying to stop millions of american citizens from voting. what part of democracy are they afraid of? i call on republicans at all levels of government, with all manner of ambition to stop fear mongering about a phantom epidemic of election fraud and start explaining why they're so scared of letting citizens have their say. >> and republicans are hitting right back. >> ily it's demagoguery. don't be running around the country dividing americans. don't be coming in and saying we are deliberately trying to keep people from voting when her own state has less opportunity for voting than my state. and she's going to sue my state?

>> secretary clinton doesn't know anything about voting in my state. my sense is she wants an opportunity to create greater acts of voter fraud around country. >> and while think were talking about that this pastor cory brooks of chicago had this message for democrats. >> as you look across the country and the inner cities of america, you can sigh the failing policies of democrats. our communities are some of the worst in the country. and most of the major cities in the inner cities of america are ran by democrats. so i'm continuing to say, we've been very loyal to the democrats, but in return they have not been loyal to us. >> all right. so who has the stronger argument? >> they're both connected. because the country needs a leader for one people shall not different factions and hillary is playing the factions divide and conquer. the hucksterism may be wearing off. the policies that were designed

to rectify the past sins of the country made it worse. blacks needed a life preserver and progressive governments gave them cinder blocks. we didn't just condemn their past sins -- our past sins as a country. we also kind of condemned positive behaviors that existed during that time. we said the whole thing was bad. we threw the baby out with the bathwater. we needed to help them help themselves and we pailed. >> that case on education in particular. >> i think it's true in so many ways. we're on the 50th anniversary of the moynahan report. talk about the break down of the black family. you stop and look at it. the statistics are glaring that the black family was in tact. this is so crazy. you have the movement and then the election of all these officials, liberal and oftentimes black elected officials in big cities who put in place policies that they said were intended to help black america. and then what happens?

you sigh the decline in terms of family formation. you see so much in terms of the increase and acceptance of criminal behavior drug behavior. you know the thing is you don't ever see the sharptons of the world out there marching when the gangbangers are going crazy in baltimore. why is that? why aren't they up in arms about that? so i understand what the minister he's from chicago? >> yes. >> i get that. i also understand that republicans, it's in republican interest given the divide in american society today, the political divide for them to discourage blacks, young people and the elderly from voting. those people who don't have voter id. >> but why would you say something so outrageous. >> you think it's not true? >> yes. where is your proof and evidence? you're saying this is an overall, systematic concerted effort to disenfranchise minorities across this country and prevent them from voting in

al qaeda elections in this country. >> who's the least likely to have voter id in the country? poor people, minority people. >> whose fault is ift? >> that's a different argument. >> let me give you one statistic. i've read all day about this. there are very few people in the gray zone on this. the majority of people are for some sorm of voter id. in indiana, in 2004 58% of the people showed up to vote. in 2008, 62% turned out to vote and president obama wins that election in that state. voting goes back down to 58% in 2012. so that's pretty much national trend, because on a reelection there's not that much excitement. is indiana an example? can other states follow that? or is it something we have to listen to hillary clinton

saying she's saying republicans are trying to scare people. i would say she's actually trying to scare people. >> i would tend to agree with juan because the majority of african-americans vote democrat. so she wants them to turn out. >> i want blacks to turn out and to vote based on the merits. >> based on the merits. >> and hopefully on what you were saying which is our policies are not working. >> until that line goes from whatever 13% or 15% of african-americans will vote republican until that line gets 50 you're not going to get the gop pushing for the same thing. and a fair shot it's not even a fair shot. i get both sides of the argument. it's completely political, but the research proves out that when you do offer early voting it doesn't necessarily bump up the number of votes. it may, it may bump up the african-american vote, but it doesn't bump up the total number of votes. >> as chris wallace said earlier

today, if you look at new york state, hillary clinton's home say the, there is no early voting here and they have a democratic legislature and a democratic governor so maybe she could start there. >> right. no kidding. but they have to do a better job -- >> i agree! >> early voting is so much better than late voting. golden girls -- >> lincoln chaffee should run on that. penalty kicks. i think we just solved america's problem. >> you know what i like? when you said republicans should put money and effort into appealing to the black vote because they have a message. >> they do but they're not doing a good enough job. to switch from democrats to republicans, and there's an opportunity there. >> still to come facebook friday. but first you've seen kimberly dancing in her chair on the five. let's also dance on "the view."

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welcome welcome back. time for -- the fastest seven minutes on television. three spicy stories. we talk about how intolerant college campus have become while one of the most high-profile celebs is in agreement. jerry seinfeld on why he doesn't perform at universities. >> i don't play colleges but i tell a lot of people tell me don't go near colleges. they're so pc. i'll give you an example. my daughter's 14. my wife says to her, in the next couple years, i think you'll want to hang around the city more on the weekends so you can see boys.

you know my daughter assayssays that's sexist. they just want to use these words. that's racist. that's sexist. that's prejudice. they don't even know what they're talking about. >> welcome to the club. we've talked about the pc police have basically turned language into a crime. campus now is like a rest home for easily offended nosey neighbors. remember mrs. kravitz from "bewitched"? >> mrs. kravitz could never find out. jerry seinfeld talking about things that we pointed out. >> one of the things sherrod says on red eye in his comedian comedic acts comic shows, excuse me, it's friday. he'll say, it's not funny if you don't know things. jerry seinfeld he went to a

college campus, telling jokes, it would probably be like crickets because they don't know anything about anything yet. so i think he's right mott tonot to go there. >> you get the same thing from chris rock george carlin. >> carlin's dead. >> i know, but he said before he died. i know you actually communicate with with those. but what he said was you can't talk to these young people anymore, because they are looking for an offense rather than trying to listen and laugh. it's impossible. you can't do it. let's move on to this one. tony morris and sandra day o'connor. ms. biggie just received an award which honors extraordinary women who are first in their fields. in her acceptance speech alongside gloria steinam, the

pig announced herself a feminist. >> i now winner of the award! thank you for this honor. this is the first time people the first time that the two of us the largest feminist icons in the world have been on stage together. >> all right. >> every time i watch one of those muppet movies she's always desperately chasing the man or the frog. she's always after, like kermit. i don't know. i was trying to see what i don't know. >> jerry seinfeld's daughter the mother saying he's going to chase, that doesn't mean you're not a feminist. >> the daughter said that's sexist. i like ms. piggy, though. i like her outfits. >> i think it's curious, women, pioneers in their field who they

would choose because i bet there's not too many conservative women who ever get that award, not that i'm bitter. >> ms. piggy is a feminist from 1974 to the year 2000. she was voiced by a man, frank oz. since 2001, she was voiced by eric jacobson and the woman did play a briefly in muppet babies. so a feminist gave a job to three men. >> fantastic. >> not a sexist. remember that. >> what a hypocrite. she's a hipopig. >> the viewers at home have become accustomed to seeing our own kimberly guilfoyle dance in her chair as we go to segments. the ladies of "the view" got her out of her chair with the perfect salsa.

[cheers and applause] >> wow! look at kimberly. >> oh, my god! sbl she's good! >> all right. before we get cagey and explain it we've got to go to juan. >> what did i do? i just thought it was great. >> i think the guy, you said he was a professional dancer. he looked like he was in seventh heaven. >> he's 6'5", he's unbelievably tall. i looked like a mini me there. it was super fun. >> so you're puerto rican. let's make her dance the salsa. if you were mexican, let's make her dance the "macarena." if you're white, just dance

badly. >> okay. >> sexist and racist. >> all at once. >> it was a lot of fun. we maked it up. we faulked about politics fox and women of fox and everything. it was a lot of fun. >> she can actually walk in those shoes, and this is proof. she can tans in those. >> they're like 5. thank god i had them on, i would have been at his waistline. it would have been awkward. i had a lot of fun. i love dancing, as you know. >> facebook friday up next. we were below the 88th southern parallel. we had traveled for over 850 miles. my men driven nearly mad from starvation and frostbite. today we make history. >>bienvenidos! welcome to the south pole! if you're dora the explorer,

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let's go to kimberly. you would make an outstanding judge. is that a career that you have considered? >> interesting. i've thought about it but more in my later years. you should really have served in some capacity as a judge. most have like administrative or traffic court or whatnot. otherwise, if i want to be a real judge, i have to go back to california where i'm licensed to practice law. >> you doesn't haven't have to use a gavel, use a high heel. >> that would be amazing. >> you know what? i couldn't stop watching. >> look at juan his eyes are lit up. >> speaking of what is your favorite leisure time activity juan? >> oh, my god. don't answer. >> i'm a fat man at heart. i love to eat. >> you do love to eat. >> i do love to eat.

>> i saw that last night. >> i was just eating away on dana's bill. so -- >> somebody else is paying the bill. >> you're the taker. we'll be right back. if you would play with any baseball player dead or alive, who would it be? >> roberto, and yeah one of my heroes. >> dana when you and peter take the harley is that a toy? take the harley out, do you ever get to ride in the sidecar, or is that reserved for jasper? >> so peter bought it in savanna, georgia. it was a police vehicle. there you can see it there. it's been refurbished. that's jasper's seat. sometimes he lets me ride in it. >> oh, my god.

you get in there? i thought that was jasper's. >> oh, my god. >> when you come to visit, you'll enjoy it. >> he's on her lap. >> that's how we roll. >> i dream of jasper. >> that would be a great show. "i dream of jasper." >> from rick riccard. how come you doesn't give music recommendations anymore? i do. i write reviews for breitbart. i picked one that was the best album of the year. first album in 18 years. one of the greatest metal bands of all time from the bay area by the way. kimberly, this is from at that time yawtatiana.

if you had to take a liberal to dinner who would it be? >> you eat a lot, so i don't know. you know what? i would take a liberal or a conservative to dell friscos. it's close by work and it's delicious. i love the big steak and the baked potato. >> where is that place again? >> who would you fake?take? >> i would take juan. we get along very well. we like the same foods, and we both like to have dessert, too. >> take hillary for dinner. >> juan? roger -- >> neil? >> do you think you would make a good press secretary for the current administration? >> for the current administration? >> answer carefully. >> my problem is dana perino told me when she started as a press secretary, she said if you lie to me i'm out of here.

is that true? >> yes. i mean yes, i, yes. >> if he this liethey lied to me -- >> they're not going to lie to you. previous administrations as in going way back, they did try to give the press secretary false information to pass on to the public. that did not work out so well. >> josh earnest likes his job, so i don't think there's any danger there. people used to think a lot of these guys marlin fitzwater didn't hate the press. >> have you told this from lorene? have you been going to church daily all your life and were you an altar boy? >> i was absolutely an altar boy for maybe 6 or so on. and i did go in the back once in

a while and got a hit off the wine. one of the hardest things about being the altar boy was when you rang the bells, you had to know when to ring them. i have not been going to church every day all my life. >> very nice. >> dana this is from katie p. how do you pass the time? like she has time. on all your flights? >> i read a lot of novels. most recently i read we are not all the light we cannot see. i like that one a lot. i also have been watching veep. that's one of my favorite shows. i laugh so hard. and i listen to some music sometimes. >> man! this is from ron s to greg. what kind of feedback have you received from your sunday show? >> exactly what i expected.

people say they loved it or they're incredibly confused. >> that's how you like them. >> it's a different show. >> it is. >> but i got, the great advice from a guy from the tonight show the old tonight show who said it was very funny, i felt like i was in a theater alone laughing which needs to be more noise. i thought that was great advice. >> like a studio audience. >> yes, perhaps. who knows. >> and marco rubio scares the left so much that they're trying to take him down for his driving. that's next. let's take a look at your credit. >>i know i have a 786 fico score, thanks to all the tools and help on experian.com. so how are we going to sweeten this deal? floor mats... clear coats... >>you're getting warmer... leather seats... >>and this... my wife bought me that.

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a fox news alert. "the new york times" is going after mar a fox news alert. the "new york times" is going after marco rubio's record shall not as a politician but as a driver. the paper says the gop candidate and his wife have been cited17 times for traffic violations. the senator four the wife janette, 13.

what do you say? >> cops pull me over too. what do you want me to tell you? >> stop and frisk. >> stop pause, and frisk. >> good thing the camera cut it off right there, but, you know what? she was a miami dolphins cheerleader. >> you're making my point. >> is that unfairness of life? >> i dons't know. they're trying to act like america's most wanted. trying to find something. >> i was going to tell you that janette, driving the f-150, which is their famous truck, banged into a porsche earlier this year but they said it was a bumper but they let her go. you notice that. they let her go. >> oh, jeez. >> you know who hasn't had a violation since 1992 or before that? 1988. guess why? she's been driven around then

tire time. >> scooby scooby doo. >> this is so stupid. >> and i hope i becomes president and never has to drive again for the rest of his life. >> what about you, do you run people over? >> so marco rubio was four of those 17. >> yeah. >> tickets, whatever. that makes him once every 54 months he gets cited? i wish i had that. i wish 99% of people on the road had marco's record. they threw her in to make him look bad. >> you can't even hang onto one of your cars that long. >> throw bill's indiscretions in with her record? >> you know this carl saul? well guess what. rubio got a lawyer to handle all this and so he got a bunch of them written off, thrown out, that isn't bad. >> for bill clinton, it was sex

drive. hillary, hard driver rubio, can't drive. if this is all you're going to find he's in great shape. he didn't drive anyone off a bridge. >> and also the story about the story is interesting back and forth with where did you get the information. looks like a story is in there, with the opposition research that partisans are going to do from here on out. >> but they're in big trouble if that's the best they can do about him. >> i don't think there's much there. one more thing, that's a big deal. ou're living with diabetes steady is exciting. only glucerna has carbsteady clinically proven to help minimize blood sugar spikes. so you stay steady ahead.

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hearing them first. charge! so why would you invest without checking brokercheck? check your broker with brokercheck. time now for one more thing. greg what you got. >> sunday's second show 10:00 p.m. special guest donald trump. i ask him if he runs for president what his cabinet will be lying and whatike and what my role will be. >> we've heard these rumors that you might run for president and i was wondering if you do and you win, what would be my role. >> well, i think you'd be a fantastic press secretary. we'd finally have a little personality in that position. >> skakts lyexactly 37. >> it's pretty dry 245that position especially when you can keep a straight face and say how well

we're doing against isis. you're very expressive. >> that's true. >> but you wouldn't be able to lie as well as others. >> anyway that -- >> oh, my gosh. >> really weird and interesting at the same time. >> to make room for the beau biden funeral and president obama's words tomorrow it willcashen will air at 2:30 instead of 11:30. all right. here is a little taste, coming out the 22nd. >> they say the biggest blockbusters come in threes. so naturally it's our turn. >> not again. >> sharknado three. >> hell no. >> oh, hell, yes.

>> i was offered a cameo in that thing but i couldn't do it. anyway ann coulter is vice president, mark cuban is president. you have to check it out. it will be great. and by the way our hearts go out to the biden family that very important day on saturday and we pray for everyone. >> we pray for them. dana. >> okay. big birthday weekend for people in my life. so peter mcin anmahon, my husband, he has a birthday tomorrow. his daughter kelly be roberts son, my daughter-in-law, her birthday today. tracy, a good friend of mine.be roberts son, my daughter-in-law, her birthday today. tracy, a good friend of mine.e roberts son, my daughter-in-law, her birthday today. tracy, a good friend of mine. roberts son, my daughter-in-law, her birthday today. tracy, a good friend of mine. the dog is in a lot of these. barbara bush turns 90 on monday. so we want to wish her well. >> happy birthday. that's fantastic. good people. >> i hate to go back but who was the woman? >> joanne. don't you know anything? >> no. >> you need to know her.

>> who was that? >> she works with me. >> i was wondering. wow. >> great question. >> all right. anyway so the nba finals are going and jimmy kimmel had a retreat. these guys are halving and i can't concentrate. jimmy kimmel did mean tweets and he had some nba players read the meanest they have ever received. >> wesley matthews complains about every foul. just go eat doughnuts on the bench you fat [ bleep ]. i have 6% body fat. >> jordan looks like the uncle at a cookout that sticks a fork in your plate. >> i think sharing is caring so [ bleep ]. >> i could do that tonight. i've had quite a day. >> you've had quite a day? >> of mean tweets. >> i got to tell you, when he said that thing about the

doughnut i don't know why, my mind is on doughnuts. >> well, okay. you just blew it. but anyway, so tonight with greta van susteren. we'll be talking about my book. not to be outdone by all these fantastic one more things today national doughnut day and this was started by the salvation army in chicago in 1938. so of course you know i love the opportunity to do an amazing food segment. >> are you surprised the obamas haven't used an executive order to reverse this? >> i know, but they used to make these for the soldiers. doughnuts were invented this 1920 by a new yorker. would anyone like to par take oig? >> i want to watch you eat it. >> go for it. >> i can't eat doughnuts

anymore. >> i'm not holy. >> well there is one without a hole in it. >> everybody, set your dvr so you never miss an episode of the five. have a great weekend, everybody. welcome to a brand new hour inside america's news headquarters. >> hello, everyone. topping the news iraqi military and militia soldiers taking on the isis terrorists. the country has been rocked by a series of deadly bombings. we will have the latest on their fight to defend their nation. >> also a pleatcomplete recap of the event in iowa where a number of republican presidential hopefuls turned out for the roast and ride for joan anyniany joni ernst. >> and thousands gathering at the annual