chanteuse. i'm bill oereilly. don't forget the spin it is a story that has generated hundreds of thousands of headlines and plenty of criticism, for the first time the family that was famous for their 19 children and values speak out about a painful secret about their oldest son and the actions he now admits were inexcusable. we discussed the serious allegation of inappropriate touching some 12 years ago by a then teenaged josh duggar.

some of the topics we will discuss are troubling and not intended for younger viewers. but first, a look at how we got here. this is the story of my family we are the duggars. >> the duggars a clean cut family of 21 ten boys and nine girls. who from the outside looking in seemed to live a charmed and sheltered life. the kids home schooled. reliable. responsible. >> we are each in charge of certain areas. >> he takes out the trash. he organizes and straightens the pantry. >> self sufficient very well behaved. the family first rose to prom prominance where gymjim-bob duggar served in the house. >> first with documentaries about their unusually large family. >> we are the dugger family. >> and later with a hit series

on tlc. today, it's known as 19 kids and counting. the show would focus on the duggar ever expanding family their devout faith and traditional values and strict courting rules that includes chappa are r ampt chapparones, and no kissing before marriage. >> it's good to wait for the one that god has for you and on your wedding day get to enjoy all the physical aspects on of of that relationship. >> the program was a huge hit drawing millions devoted viewers but with celebrity came controversy. criticism of what some view of the more controversial opinions from their views on abortion. >> here is a baby holocaust taking place. >> to those on gay marriage. >> what is at stake is the american family.

every child deserves a mother and child. >> or a stress that women should submit to their husband. some accused them of gay fear mongerring but the ratings continued to soar. the wedding drew many viewers, the biggest tell a cast in four years. and then a bombshell. may 19th 2015. in touch weekly reports the duggars 27-year-old son, josh had been named in a prior sexual abuse investigation. two days later on may 21st the magazine reprints what turned out to be an illegally released police report. it reveals that josh while 14 or 15 years old, forceablely touched at least five girls in 2002 and 2003. the report makes clear the victims include josh's younger sisters. the duggars consulted church

elders they sent josh to a kind of rehab program. and reported him to a state trooper who was an acquaintance of the family. no formal investigation was launched until police received an anonymous tip in 2006. by that time the statute of limitations were run and no charges were filed. the day of the consecutive in touch report josh dugger herbs an apology, writing in art, 12 years ago as a young teenager i aacted insclus ably for which i am sorry and deeply regret. i hurt others including my family and close friends. his parents and wife of six years issue statements. wife anna saying josh told her about his past before they were engaged that she was shocked but that he had gotten help humbled himself before god and changed the direction of his life. the media pounced. >> big news coming out of the cross-section of the cultural

wars and tv the. >> tonight, tlc pulling the hit show 19 and counting about the supposedly wholesome dugger family off the air. >> josh dugger and his family are portrayed of the picture of wholesome perfection. >> how dare they shame the lgbt community, how dare they condemn them for their immoral lifestyle when they are, when the duggars are the immorale one. i say screw you, screw you. >> so why would a family with a painful secret launch a reality tv show and was it hypocritical to preach family values knowing of their own son's repeated sins i asked them and more in our duggar family interview, right now. take us back to 2002 how did you first learn there was a problem with josh? >> well 12 years ago, we went through one of the most darkest

times that our family went through, our son, josh came to us on his own, he was crying and he had just turned 14. and he said that he had actually improperly touched some of the daughters. and it was -- >> we were shocked. i mean we were just devastated. i don't think any parent is prepared for a trauma alike that. and i think, we had one ray of hope in that josh had attender conscious and he was the one that came and shared on his own, even though the others really didn't know anything of his wrongdoing. >> this is a young boy, who has come to you with shocking information. what did he is say, i mean how did you respond to him? what was that like? that exchange? >> there was so much grief in our hearts. i think as parents we felt we were failures here we tried to raise our kids and to do what is right, to know what's right, and one

of our children made a really bad choices, and i think as a parent we were just -- we were devastated. >> did he explain why? was that a question you asked? >> he said that he was just curious about girls and he had gone in and just basically touched them over their clothes when they were sleeping. they didn't know he had done it. so we went and the first thing was to protect the girls and so we went in -- >> the girls all sleep together? >> yes, they had two bedrooms at the time. >> how many girls are we talking about? >> we had five girls at the time and so, anyway he went in and said he had done this, so we first off -- of course really talked to him and then we went and talked to all the girls and the children. >> it was so important for us as parents to talk to our girls and make sure nothing else had happened. >> did they talk? >> one by one as we talked with them none of them were aware of josh's wrongdoings.

>> so they learned about it from you? >> yeah. >> yes. >> how -- at this point, he had said he had done it to how many of the girls? >> the two. >> what was their reaction when they learned it from you? >> they didn't -- they really didn't know actually what happened we asked them at first if anything happened and then it was after some other things happened that we shared with them and we actually we took a lot of steps. first, we tried to deal with it in house as parents. we were in shock and wrpe were trying figure out what was the next step. but really looking back we did the best we could under the circumstances. >> you are saying what do i do? he has touched two of the daughters and you don't know what to do. >> we didn't know, at that point, nobody knew about it besides michelle and i and josh. we thought what do we do with the information and the girls,

we talked to them they didn't know anything had happened because they were asleep. so we talked to him, we put all kinds of punishments on him. we watched him like all the time. i took him to work with me. and he just i mean we just poured our life in to him. >> when you went to bed at night during that timeframe, were you scared and worried, 14 he is having this problem, what's going happen when we go to sleep? >> right, nothing ever happened like that again. we had safeguards that protected them from that. but there was another incident where, two different incidents where girls were like laying on the couch, and it was a -- and he had touched like over the couch, and actually touch theed the breast while they were asleep. so over the clothes and so it was, it was a very difficult situation. but a as we talked to other parents and different ones since then a lot of families have

said that they have had similar things happen in their families and so i mean, this is -- for us of course this is public shame that our son did it back 12 13 years ago. >> when you heard that the behavior had resumed, describe what that was like for you? >> we thought, you know, at first that josh, you know, was on the road to mend at first, but he was still a kid you know and he was still a juvenile. he was not an adult. so there was a couple more times that he came and told us what he had done and we were just devastated all these again, this was not rape or anything like that it was a couple of incidents where he couched them under their clothes but it was a few seconds and then he came tos us and and was crying and told us what happened. and it was after the third time

that he came to us is where we really felt like you know what? we have done everything that we can as parents to handle this in house, we need to get help and that is actually when we went to outside folks and we asked some very close friends if they could come over and, so my best friends came over and we talked about it and so at that point, we pulled josh out of the home and we knew of a man who mentored young men. he really helped young men who had made unwise choices in their lives to get straightened out. and he was running a little training center in little rock arkansas and under that roof of that training center he had the police department on one side and the prison minister on the other. and he said josh could come down and do construction work with him and he would council him and work wouldith him and hope to get him traitened out.

>> people say, why didn't they go for the counciling at the first time that he came to you? >> you know, i talked to somebody that worked at one of the juvenile youth, sex offender facilities and he described how they actually take care of these situations down there, and the success rate is not good. we felt that going from a perspective of really reaching his heart first is important. that's the reason we sent him to little rock to work with the man. >> did legal ever pop in your mind? that you had obligations? >> as parents you are not mandatory reporters. law allows the parents to do what they think is best for the child. we got him out of the home and sent him to the place, that was probably the best decision we made in the whole process. because it was at that place, this is the first time josh was out of the home.

>> he was 15 at this point? ? he just turned 15. and it's at that point that he came to himself and god worked in his life and as a matter of fact he broke and he went and asked god to forgive him and went back and asked those that he had offended to forgive him. and we felt that the last jurisdiction of what he needed to make right was with the law. >> we will get to that in a second. the subsequent incident after the first one involved daughters who were awake. or at least a couple of them? >> there was a couple yeah. they didn't really understand though what happened. >> it was more his heart, his intent, he knew that he -- that it was wrong. they were not even aware. it was not to them, they probably did not understand it was improper touch. >> i know the ultimate one, before you really got help involved a very young daughter. and i will avoid the age because i do not want to identify anyone

specifically. but the single digit. what was that like for you to hear? you know one, you must have thought for some time this is a pubescent boy, i don't know what he is going through, but he is testing. but when it moves to a young young daughter. >> right at that point, that is when he was pulled out of the house and we said he cannot be here and we pulled him out and he went through the working with that man. >> the counciling. and when he was done with the counciling. it's not like a licensed therapist, it's a christian based treatment facility. >> i will tell you what it had a huge impact on his life skpimpt really that was the turning point in his life. and this than really reached his heart. >> and before josh went away you know in the period where the girls knew and he knew and you knew when you are living in the house together what was that like? i mean what was the dinner table like? >> well we tried to make things as normals as we can. but also you though michelle

and i both were keeping an eye on josh all the time. and watching his behaviors, watching his attitudes. >> and prior to him leaving, were you concerned for the safety of your daughters? >> well we definitely put safeguards in our homes. >> yes, and we talked to our daughters and reminded them on of about wrong and right touch and about if anybody ever touched you in a wrong way, for you to come and tell us. >> immediately. and you tell them that you have a safe place to share your heart. and so we were -- we were trying to protect and watch and make sure that that their hearts were safe they have a safe place to talk and at the same time putting boundaries and safeguards up in our home. >> we were not going to give up on josh. >> up next the terrible choice these parents faced. how to protect their daughters without ruining their son.

plus what happened when josh came home from his treatment. watch. >> as we are all weeping, the next day, and for days and days i was saying you know josh he has done some very bad things. and he is very sorry.

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♪ ♪ when the duggars discovered what their son had done in the home they were faced with questions, including what should they tell police and how to protect their children that is where we pick up. >> i have to protect the daughters at the expense of the son, or vice verse a? >> i think it's a situation where we felt like our son's heart had goneastray i think jesus had a story about taking care of the 99 sheep but went after the one that went astray. as parents we love our children we will protect the ones in our hands and we will also make sure

that josh doesn't make wrong choices. >> it doesn't mean you are not a good sheppard jesus was a good sheppard but he went after that one that went astray and so i think as parents, we were trying to do the best thing we knew how to help this one and protect these. and i feel like through that as we came to that point where, you he know josh shared you know improperly touching the young one, we were devastated and we said we have got to send him out of the home. he has got to go. and seek council and get help. >> did you feel -- >> and i mean it was like that evening when they left and took him. >> that same day. >> he just was weeping and shared immediately what he had done and we were weeping and

the little one was like, what is wrong, why is the daddy and josh leaving. as we are all weeping the next day and for days and days and i said josh has done some very bad things and he -- he is very sorry. >> but i was thankful the ray of hope was that josh had came and told us that his heart was still soft because we would not have known about any of the things if he had not come and told us. >> all of it you learned from josh. >> none of the victims knew or understood what he had done until we came and talked to them. >> as a parent did you feel guilty when you learned that his behavior had continued and other girls had become victims? >> yeah i think as parents you feel like a failure when one of your kids does something wrong, you feel like if you had done more training or something else this may not have happened. but the truth is kids will make

their own they will make their own decisions even though you have taught them what is wrong and right? >> i'm asking you more as a father of your girls than as the father of josh. you know it must have been very hard to look at your little one and know that you know the behavior had been ongoing, as difficult as your position was. >> right. i was so thankful though that -- that josh came and told us. and our girls, even though it was a very bad situation, as we have talked to other families who have had other things happen a lot of their stories were even worse. >> just to clarify, it was four daughters and a baby-sitter outside of the family. >> yes, yes. >> okay and you notified her about the incident. >> yes, he called her up and asked her forgiveness and she did not know he had done anything either. it was more like a --

>> a fondling. >> a touch while they were asleep for most of them and there were two other incidents that were when they were awake, and it was just a bad thing. it was something that we would like to forget. >> let's go back to after the therapy. you sent josh to a treatment center. >> yes. >> but was there more therapy for josh and or the girls? >> yes, what happened was, when josh came with back from little rock we felt like the last step was to make things right with the law. because he had broken the law. so we took him down to the local police station, actually the closest one to our house and it was arkansas state police headquarters and walked in and talked to a man there -- >> let me stop you there, what was that like? i mean how do you make the decision as a parent to bring your child to law enforcement and turn him over? >> we felt like it was an important step for josh to confess to the police what he had done because he had broken the law.

we felt like if we had not done this this would be hanging over his head for the rest of the is life -- of his life. >> was it terrifying? >> it was terrifying. >> we didn't knoy were going to arrest him or if it was going to open up an investigation for our family or what was going to happen. >> and now, we were waiting to hear you know were they going to come with a warrant, take him away. we didn't know what they were going to do. >> well since the duggar family story broke, there's been a lot of accusations that the family went out of the way to skirt the law and keep their secrets quiet, we will dig in though that when we come back. >> how did you choose the person to whom you would surrender him?

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♪ ♪ welcome back to our exclusive sit-town with the-- sit-down with the duggars, since the story broke about josh duggar the tabloids suggested that this family went out of the way to hide its secret. starting with how the family first decided to approach the police. >> how did you choose the person to whom you would surrender him? there's been a question of whether you chose a friend

somebody you knew would go easy on him? >> i had a towing business for years and so i did know a lot of the officers around here but we went in to arkansas state police and -- >> at police headquarters. >> walked in we went in and talked to him, and said hey, my son has something that he needs to share with you. and we actually took a witness with us went in and sat down and he shared everything. >> he told it all. >> he told everything. and we had no idea what the officer was going through on his own. >> so the audience knows, that officer is now in jail for 56 years for child pornography charges. did you have any idea that he was involved in that? >> that came out years later and we were shocked. >> the critics say he chose the guy because hethey thought he would be sympathetic. >> now from prison, wre ishere he is

serving, he said that he only told him about one incident that is why i did not press charges. you went to a law enforcement official and he reported everything, five victims. >> we took a friend with us to, because we wanted to make sure that we had a witness that would -- you know that would verify that we shared everything. >> i know you said that he gave josh a lecture. >> he put the fear of god in josh. >> and he warned him that the law could come after him? >> he said if you continue down this path you can destroy your life and end up in prison. >> you thought it was over? >> we didn't know. we didn't know, a few weeks and months went by. >> you are waiting and the doorbell is ringing and you are wondering if somebody is there to arrest him. >> and later, somebody called

the hot line and said that the duggars had reported this before but -- >> that's right, we are going to get to that. first, i want to ask you about the counciling. the counciling that josh got in the treatment center was that the only counciling that he received and what about your daughters? >> no no josh went and had complete -- >> professional yeah. yeah. >> the real licensed therapist counciling. >> start over. >> all of our children received the professional counciling including josh yes, after all of this, all of the children received professional cd including josh who paid for his own counciling himself. >> did you feel that when josh had been through all this you had gone to the christian based treatment, he had gone through counciling and the police and he emerged back in to the home. did you feel that he was a threat still? or did you feel -- >> not at all. >> did you feel he could be trusted at that point?

>> not at all. >> did you ever worry that the treatment didn't work? especially with so many young children in the house? >> no. no. josh was a changed person. you could -- it was evident. >> we still had the safeguards in place. we just there was a lot of things that changed in our understanding as parents with you know this first child, first son, you know to come to this place in his life where like there's things that we learned since then that we don't let boys baby-sit they don't play hide and seek together two don't go off and hide there's a lot of things that we put in place. you are not in alone in the room with someone else, and little ones don't sit on big boys laps or people that you don't know or even family members, unless it's your daddy. there's boundaries that we have learned -- >> one of the big questions this

week, how did the tabloids learn the duggars secrets when they were supposed to be in a seal juvenile record. when we come back the duggars will share what they think and they will answer this. >> what would make you launch a reality tv show about your family given this past? aah...it's evening again. time for the perfect night time snack. ♪ >> test. test.

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the duggars moved on and their large brood began to gain national media attention resulting in tv pieces about their family. in december 2006 things nearly unravelled with the family in chicago and about to go on the oprah winfrey show someone leaked the behavior of josh duggar to oprah's company, writing in part you need to know the truth, they are not what they seem to be.

harpo faxed the letters to authorities and a police investigation opened. the records, a judge is dealing with that separately. the family told police that josh was inappropriate with five girls. five victims were interviewed and confirmed that josh was sent to a christian treatment program, each victim said that no other abuse had taken place by ninemkadi else or by josh afternciling ultimately it was determined that the three-year statut. of limitations had run and authorities decided to not bring charges. >> it's all behind you for all intents and purposes and in 2008 you launched a reality tv show what would make you launch a reality tv show about your family given this past? >> you know, back in back early on it was after all this was

taken care of in 2002-2000two2002-2003, we had a magazine that came to michelle and said hey, can we do a story about your family and we said yes. that would be fine. >> but are you thinking at all, wait this nightmight not be a good idea when cameras are in your home things tend to get discover theed. >> we had taken care of it five years before. so we had a clean bill of health from the state, we he had gone through counciling and told the police. >> did any of the girls or josh say, whoa, hold on mom and dad, hold on? >> we had no fear everything was taken care of. that was actually a sealed juvenile record and they had told us that all the stuff was done as a juvenile this was all stuff that was sealed and it was

stuff that was under law not able to be brought up. >> did you live in fear that it would come out? >> i don't know that we lived in fear we had resolved it and it was for given. >> when you heard that in late may that the story had broken that you had not been given a heads up by any of the official police involved that they were going do this what was your reaction? >> i said god, i know that there's a lot of families out there that are hurting and you know what? this is not something we wanted to come out, but if people can see that josh who did these very bad things when he was a young person that god could forgive him for the terrible things then i hope other people realize that god can forgive them and make them a new creature. >> did you see any motivation from the police chief for him to

want to hurt your family? >> i'm really not for sure. >> i don't know. >> i don't know if it was a personal agenda. >> definitely was not caring about the victims. >> did you have prior dealings with her? >> josh had talked to her one day at a meeting and he said hi to her and stuck out his hand and she turned and would not talk to him. she was getting ready to retire and you know just even a few weeks ago, she had, i'm getting ready to retire and there's a few things that i want to do before i retire. >> and you think you were on the list? >> i think i was on the list. >> think chance of you suing her or the city for the disclosure? >> we are talking to attorneys about that right now and we will see. but i think the big picture is protecting juveniles' records. and i think that is something that we want to be advocates for protecting juvenile records because the mistakes that juveniles make when they are

young young should be sealed. >> so much focus is on your son, how is this affecting the daughters, the release of the information? >> i think the daughters were shocked to hear this. manage that crushed eded them at first. >> they did not want this out publical publicly? >> no they did not want this on out, victim should have the right to tell their own story. not a tabloid. >> the main charge from the critics is that you are hypocrites they preached family values. josh once said, we are the epitome of conservative values and yet, they had this secret. and they weren't honest with the world about who they were. >> i don't think you can go up to total strangers and say, hi my name is so and so and i want you to know what i did as a child and share everything about your past. you know, every family has

things happen in the family. and some families maybe have darker things than ors, but everyone deals with something. >> what about, what the critics are going for is you should not have been preaching moral values when you have a secret like this in your family that you should not be calling other people sinners when you yourselves are sinners. >> my son violated god's principals of doing in appropriate touching. that was terrible but yet, i think it has been recently said that what josh did was inexcusable inexcusable, but it was not unforgivable. >> mike huckabee said that. he is a friend of the family. michelle you were in the news making a robo-call that suggested transgender people may want to go to the locker rooms of girls and that they may be

child molesters. folks have used that in the past week against you saying how could you unfairly in their view compare transgender people to child molesters and suggest they are child molesters knowing what you know about josh? >> i think that protecting young girls and not allowing young men and men in general to go in to a girl's locker room is just common sense. >> this is different because you inject this child molestation in to it. >> i think you said pedophile in to it. and a pedophile is an adult that preys on children. and i think the legal can definition is 16 and up so he was a child preying on a child. >> you do not view josh as a pedophile? >> no. >> do you understand the critics reaction to this news? >> i can understand that but i think i know that every one of

us has done things wrong. that is why jesus came. i feel like this is more about there's an agenda and there's people that are purposing who try to bring things out and twisting them to hurt and slander. >> so were the duggars targeted by the tabloids because of their christian beliefs? they answer that question and talk about the future when we come back. >> what happens to the duggars from here?

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so what's next for the duggers and their show. duggars and their show? >> do you think the backlash is because people object to who you are and what you stand for. >> i think some out there do. >> do you think, in particular your christian believes are at issue here? >> i think as people on the

outside think, well christians are supposed to be perfect. they're supposed to say -- you're supposed to live this perfect life. no. you know what all of us as christians, we struggle every day. >> what happens to the duggers from here? >> i don't know if the rest of our family should be punished for the act of one of our children for stuff that happened 12 years ago or not. but we are fine whether they filmed us or not. we're going to go on and live life. we're going to go on and make a difference in the world. >> your children and grandchildren can continue on with life. either way, we're at peace. w will be canceled? has tmc given you any indication? >> you know at this point our family is just trying to regroup from these attacks. when you're in every newspaper and everything throughout the world, its been an unprecedented attack on our family. and it was actually -- this

information was released illegally, so i'm wondering why all this press isn't going after the system for releasing juvenile records. that is a huge story. now, what our son did 12 years ago, i'm sure it's a major story to temperature, too, but yet, hopefully justice will be served on the ones that released juvenile records to protect other juveniles' records. >> it must be terrible. >> what's devastating as a mom to me is we took our children to the children safety center. we trusted them. we trusted the police department. our children poured out their hearts. they shared everything. and then to have their trust betrayed? and for all of their information and everything they share to be turned over to a tabloid, for those things to be twisted and shared in a slanderous way,

story after story, tabloid after tabloid. that breaks my heart for my girls because i think this is such a horrible -- they've been victimized more by what has happened in these last couple weeks than they were 12 years ago because they honestly -- they didn't even understand or know that anything had happened until after the fact when they were told about it. and so i think there's not -- in our hearts before god, we haven't been keeping secrets, we have been protecting those that honestly should be protected. and now what's happened is they've been victimized. but people with an agenda and for whatever profit they think they're going to get? but in this one thing i know is god is going to use all of this for good. >> jim bob, michelle thank you both very much. thanks for having us here. >> thank you for telling our story. >> but our interview actually

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before we go a word about our children. one in five girls and 1 in 20 boys is a victim of child sexual abuse in this country. thee out of four addless sents sexually abused were victimized by someone they knew well. what are the odds someone like josh duggar will offend again? researchers say most young offendsers are male and between the ages of 12 and 14. according to a 2009 doj analysis long-term studies have

shown 85% to 95% of them never are arrested for sex crimes again. if you know a victim in need of help please call the national child abuse hotline at 1-800-4achild. in a stunning follow-up to our interview, we sat down with two of josh duggar's sisters today. it's a remarkable and emotional exchange with jill and jessa who discussed what josh did to them and how they felt when they story went national. >> they don't have a right to do this. we're victims. they can't do this to us. >> and yet they did. >> they did. >> the system that was set up to protect kids both those who make stupid mistakes or have problems like this in their life and the ones that are affected by those choices, it's just -- it's greatly failed. >> our sit-down with the duggar sisters aired friday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern.

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