ixotic when writing to the factor. miss megyn up next. please remember the spin stops here. we're looking out for you. breaking tonight, angry protesters hitting the streets over what they call racist policing in america. what the folks in the middle of the mess say the video today seen by millions only tells part of the story. welcome to "the kelly file," everyone. the black lives matter protest group has organized what they call a march for texas in mckinney, texas. it started with the friday evening party in mckinney that quickly went bad. residents say a rowdy group of teens first started trespassing. then began harassing the neighbors. then it turned really ugly. with alleged racial slurs, fights and one police officer caught on camera. now being held up as the latest in a media narrative about cops

out of control. here are parts of the video. >> okay. >> no, no. >> it was this guy. >> it was that guy. >> get on the ground. >> i told you to stay. >> get down on the ground. [ bleep ] [ bleep ]

. >> sir. sir, we just came to a birthday party. please. >> right now you stay. don't make me [ bleep ] around here because you want to screw around out here. i don't care. please. you're leaving now. you are leaving now. [ bleep ] [ screaming ]

>> on your face! >> on the ground! [ bleep ]. >> okay? >> i just want to see -- >> that video was hard to watch. trace gallagher live in our newsroom with the report. >> the aclu called it a textbook case of overuse of force but they also acknowledged knowing any facts with the

party, the crowd or the fighting which are vital for the context. for the record it was combination birthday graduation pool party. it was advertised on social media and included a deejay from dallas. will several residents say the music was blasting and inappropriate and that car loads of uninvited teens began arriving jumping the fence and arguing with security. when some neighbors confronted the organizer of the party, things got physical. listen to a teen who was cuffed by police explain what started the original fight. >> the two women got mad because we were being disrespectful to our elders. but if they really were our elders, then why were not they like it? they got involved in the fight. they were yelling and using pro fanlt toward us. >> can you tell me what the man in question said that sort of precipitated this? >> he well when we were trying to get a group of teens together

in the pool. emto go back to section 8 housing where you belong and get out of my neighborhood. >> by most estimates, there were more than 100 teens on site. police told us the calls came in as multiple juveniles who do not live in the area actively fighting. a dozen police officers arrived on scene. it is unclear at exactly what point in the confrontation this video began rolling but the first few minutes clearly show the officer in question trying to get the teens to sit down and telling a group of young teens and girls to move on. they refused. the 15-year-old, the girl who was subdued picks it up from there. listen. >> i'm guessing he thought we were saying rude stuff to him. he grabbed me. and he twisted my arm on the back of my back. and he shoved me in the grass. he started pulling the back of my braids. and i was telling him, he can get off me. my back was hurting really bad.

>> and as you heard the time also shows the officer using pro fanlt and pulling out his women. here's how the mckinney police chief responded to questions. >> well we did see the video. at this time i'm not prepared to talk about anything in particular but we want in watching the video, we did want to conduct a full investigation into it. >> but others in the neighborhood fully support the police action. bennett, who is black, said quote, look i live in this community and this entire incident is not racial at all. a few thugs spoiled a community event by fighting jumping over fences into a private pool harassing and damaging property. not everything is about race. another neighbor who you see standing here with police now tells "the kelly file" that towed single his family away because he is getting threats. none of the other office here's responded to the party is being

investigated at this point. >> thank you. now some locals who were there friday evening are speaking out saying this video doesn't tell the whole story. as some cable news broadcasts looped it almost nonstop today with questions about whether this is just the latest in a pattern of police misconduct. here's just one example. >> we are in the midst of what feels like to many young people a pandemic of misconduct. >> do you think there's an element of race flix. >> fnl racial profiling by policy racial profiling by assumption. the fact is we had one white person who was there say, i felt invisible. all of these children of color were directed to sit down but i was not. >> earlier tonight, i spoke with shawn, a resident of craig ranch who was at the pool with his wife and his two young children including his 7-year-old as well as another friend from the neighborhood when the chaos

started. so how did you know things were out of hand? what made you call the cops? >> well, the music being played by the deejay wasn't appropriate for kids my son's age and quite honorly wasn't appropriate for some of the teenagers who were there. then just the attacks on some of the residents started getting, being called racist were telling security guard about the kids who were jumping the fence. >> so the residents were called racists for pushing back on the kids who were jumping the fence. did you hear any of the residents use any racist terms? >> i didn't hear anything like that. the stuff i was hearing was toward the residents of the pool saying you don't want any black people here and you're racist. >> there was an allegation that somebody there, a security guard had said to them go back to public housing. >> no. i never heard them say anything. even remotely similar to that.

>> when did it escalate to violence? >> i was taking my family back home. my sons were crying and scared. the verbal altercations started when we were walking out and it was another group. it spiraled from there. >> what was it that scared your son? >> it was, i think the things being yelled to the parents about all the teens yelling to us. just the overall atmosphere it was pretty intimidating for a 7-year-old. >> the real pushback has been on this one police officer. this corporal eric who is a ten-year veteran of the force for in particular taking down this 14-year-old girl. putting on knee in her back in what is a shocking video. and the way he hand the other teenagers running around. people saying he is a racist.

others saying he was too aggressive and he mishand the organization. what say you? >> i would disagree. he was the first officer to arrive there. it was chaos when he arrived there. and i think he had to match that situation with a good amount of aggression to calm the crowd down. i was within feet of him when he sat down 13 to 15 kids and made them sit down on the ground. the only people he was going after were people that just started yelling. and wasn't just black kids. the white female was one of the first ones i saw in hand cuffs so i thought he acted the way he needed to to help end the chaos that was happening. >> let me ask you. one of the allegations was he only went after the black kids. was it just the one right person or did you see him go after

anybody else who was white in. >> he was only chasing people who ran away from him. >> did you see anyone running away or was it all blacks? >> i didn't see any white people running away. the majority of people running were black. >> what about the 14-year-old girl? you see that tape. and it is brutal to watch. how can you justify it? people saying how is he defending that? >> well the officer gave her a chance to leave multiple times. and she refused. and one of the things being talked about is the officer ran out of hand cuffs. and i think if he would have had handcuffs, he wonderful have been able to do that. he was kind of sitting on her back waiting for other officers to bring cuffs over. >> i realize this is a seven-minute videotape.

how long did the incident last? >> it had at least started 45 minutes before that seven-minute video was taken. and it probably lasted 15 20 minutes after as well. >> describe the scene that officer walked into. we see it. kids are running. and he starts running and he seems pretty amped up. >> he was. and i think it was the situation that he walked into. there were people everywhere. there were little kids running away from the pool crying. so he walked in there in a pretty intense situation. i think he matched the intensity. >> were there any physical altercations other than the ones we saw between him and the 14-year-old girl? >> there was a fight between a young black girl and two middle age white females. >> security officers? were they security guards?

the older women? >> they were not. one of them i know was a resident. the other one i believe was visiting a resident there. >> and was that before or after the police arrived? >> this was before the police arrived. >> was it -- >> i was on the phone with the police when the fight happened. and i was telling them now you have to get somebody here. the fights are breaking out now. >> what is the status in the area? we've spoken with some residents who say they're scared. anyone who defends the cops. one guy says he's had death threats. and he's armed security posted outside of his house. what has your experience been? >> at this point, the whole neighborhood is pretty uneasy. the protests are happening and based on what we've seen nationally a lot of neighbors are kind of concerned but how it may end. and you know i think the

majority of us even as a whole community in craig ranch have been labeled a certain way. and that's not sitting well with anybody. most of the people i've talked to support what the police did. and most people don't think this is a race issue. this is an out of control kids issue. >> and what about you? you didn't want to give your last name. are you scared? are you concerned for your own safety? >> i'm concerned for my family's safety. we've been getting a lot of calls. a lot of people wanting to talk to us. and based on what we've seen about the facebook and people on twitter. some of the people siding with police. i think we have reason to be a bit concerted. >> thank you for sharing your story with us. we appreciate it. was the officer justified? why are some media outlets

treating this like it is ferguson or baltimore? next where the focus on police may take us next. plus we are continuing to cover the tremendous fallout from the duggar family scandal. live to respond to that and how the media has hand this whole thing. >> i see it as a revictimization that is a thousand times worse.

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we are continuing to watch the protest march down in mckinney, texas, where police are under fire after one officer's response to an out of control party friday night. in a tape that has been seen by millions, a mckinney police officer can be seen drawing his weapon before tackling one 14-year-old girl and pinning her down. that officer is now suspended while an investigation unfolds. mark furman is a former lapd detective. mark let me ask you, you've defended a lot of comes on this show when videotapes come out that don't necessarily look that good for them. what do you say about this guy?

>> what i don't like is him drawing his weapon. when you look at the back ground instead of the officer or the young girl on the ground you see a middle class community with manicured lawns and people dressed nicely and kids dressed nicely. we're not talking about some hot bed of crime activity there. and you kind of wonder when he draw that weapon, if those two young boys wouldn't have run. if they would have run toward the officer or he would have made contact, i think this would have turned out very ugly. that's hard to defend. the other thing is what did he know when he got there? what did he know before he got there? why did he ever run into this by himself? >> what about the takedown of the 14-year-old girl? that's the most brutal part of this. you see him bending her limbs.

>> i'm trying to figure out why arrest anybody at that point. you have 130 people at the pool party. you have seven agitators who jumped in. you're focusing on control. but arrest of one person ties your hands and now you're completely useless to the rest of the crowd or the other officers. i don't even understand that. and he certainly did not have control of her. it looked kind of bad, the way he was attempting to get her on the ground. >> uh-huh. >> and i'm sure he didn't know she was 14 at the ground. maybe he did. we can't assume it. but now we know and she looked like a young woman. and it is brutal. i mean richard, the head of the naacp came out and said he treated her like chattel. now people have made this into a race thing. are we there yet? what evidence is there that it

is a race thing as opposed to excessive force? >> race aside, i think to watch a woman being hand like that by a guy two times her size. it made me totally sick to my stomach, to be honest with you, to watch it. and for once a little bit i agree with mark here. you're in a middle class neighborhood. whether it is a hot bed of crime or not. sxinlt according to residents. >> right. and i think the police officers clearly, he pulled his gun out for no reason. clearly they were all unarmed. it was some kids acting up. and just didn't really need this. where the race comes in i think the reason we've gotten here. a recent pugh report found that 71% of caucasian officers trust police. 31% of african mernls trust the police. you put 14 and 15-year-old who's are used to seeing police brutalizing young african-american men for whatever the reason might be them say automatically, we see a police officer. we'll try to get away from the situation which is why you have running there.

for far too long they see the police as a threat. they think they'll be the next eric garner or the next michael brown or the next walter scott. we don't want anything to do with this. you their girl saying call my mother please.ll my mother. because she understands what could possibly happen to her. >> the girl was no saint either. he told her to leave and she continued to linger. when a cop tells to you leave, get out. i'm believe defending his actions. let me make that clear. >> if you look clearly, there are also white guys stlang with jeans and a khaki shirt. >> just standing there. >> let me get mark to weigh in on the point about how we've gone to the race place on this. >> well first, the police were called by the residents. the residents live there, white and black. i think that's a wash for the response by the police. we've got 11 police officers that aren't being investigated. we have one that's being investigated but he seemed like

he was -- i don't know if he was focusing on just black kids. the video is rather narrow in its scope so i don't know that. we don't know those facts yet. but i think it is kind of a leap to go to a racial profiling at a graduation beginning summer pool party. there are others saying this is not about race. after millions watched our friday night conversation with jill and jessa duggar some focused back to mike huckabee. the governor is here to respond. don't miss that.

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. new fallout from some controversial remarks as president obama appears to challenge the u.s. supreme court. again. ahead of a ruling that is coming

out soon on his signature health care law. watch this. >> i think it is important for us to go ahead and assume that the supreme court is going to do what most legal scholars who have looked at this would expect them to do. it is not something that should be done based on a twisted interpretation of four words and so i'm, a, i'm optimistic that the supreme court will play it straight when it comes to interpretation. >> joining me now, fox news senior judicial analyst napolitano. and he thinks they can fix with it a few little words. >> i watched him as emthis. i was stounlded by his lack of a sense of decency and comity.

he is one branch. the supreme court is another. >> he has a whole branch. >> he cannot intimidate them. they have lifetime tenure. as a practical matter, here we are, the second week in june. they have more likely than not already voted on this and they know which way it will go them couldn't care less what he says. he is wrong that legal scholars are hoist side. both sides of the supreme court does not count. >> do you know where the legal scholar started off? on the side of the challengers. jonathan gruber. the m.i.t. adviser to the white house. until this became an issue is on the record saying this whole case is exactly as the challengers to the law argue it is. that this law will fail because they didn't write it the right way. and then once he realized the consequences he switched. i got into the specifics of the law with o'reilly. here is what jumped out about it

to me. the supreme court, he loves to try to bully them. remember the state of union? to their faces, they show up to honor him. and to their faces he tries to criticize. and here he is again. >> the meaning of the case. that's another case. i don't know why he said what he said today. he can't intimidate them. he can't change their mind. he had his facts wrong. it is totally inappropriate for the president to do. that he should have said the case is before the court and however the court rules, i will abide that ruling. >> and we will respect the rule of law. he doesn't do that. he likes to amp people up when it comes to these supreme court decisions. do you think he would feel the same if he were president when roe v. wade were decided. do you think he would feel the same? >> he tried to suggest the supreme court should try and figure out the intense of those who wrote the law. that's wrong. it is not their intent. it is the meaning of the words

they used. they are presumed to use intentionally the words that they use. these people wrote the law. his people have to live with the law. they cannot say, we really meant something else. because they didn't like the way -- >> that is what they're saying. what is remarkable to me you tell me as a jurist. he seem to be intentionally provocative. he seems to telegraph, i don't respect them. if they don't rule my way, neither should you. that is not appropriate for the president of the united states. >> absolutely not appropriate. and it tells me he thinks he is going to lose and he is trying to downplay the significance of that loss and disrespect the court. guess what mr. president. the supreme court and not the president has the final word on the meaning of the law and its consistency with the constitution. that's been the law of the land for 230 years. >> he is already head of the executive branch. he usu rumpb ped congress.

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we went through one of the most darkest time our family has ever gone through. and our son josh came to us on his own. he had just turned 14. and he said that he had actually improperly touched some of our daughters. >> josh came and asked each of us individually i know he asked me to forgive him. >> when you found out it would be on the cover of in touch weekly, what was your reaction? >> i couldn't believe what was going on. >> i see it as a revictimization but a thousand times worse. >> in the week of our exclusive interview with the duggar family the media bashing continues of the family and its supporters including governor mike huckabee. he found himself part of the story when he first posted with the duggar scandal a couple weeks ago. he wrote josh's actions when he was an underage teen are as

described by himself, inexcusable but that doesn't mean unforgivable. 2016 republican candidate and former fox news host governor mike huckabee joins me now. thank you for being here. so you were roundly criticized for standing up for the duggar family. in particular the quote that i jumped out at me to be honest was the following. no one needs to defend josh's actions as a teenager. but the fact that he confessed his sins to those he harmed, sought help and has gone forward to live as a responsible adult is testimony to his family's authenticity and humility. his family's authenticity and humility has come under attack for being so out there in criticizing gays and lesbians push for marriage equality in the wake of what they, and their protestations about how you're supposed to treat family and children in the wake of what

they did. did you go too far? >> absolutely not. what i was simply saying is that in every family we all deal with crises issues now, if the duggars had never gone to counseling never submitted themselves to the elders of their church they went voluntarily to the police. they took many many step that's many parents don't take under similar circumstances. the thing that i think gets lost in this is that opening this up publicly violated arkansas law. as someone who governed the state and understood juvenile law, i was just stunned and shocked that number one, the victims were exploited in this by the media for their own purposes. there was no interest in the media to protect those girls. there was no interest to make sure that their interests were served. and i think your interview pointed out that they had a very different reaction to all of

this than did their critics, who were out to destroy their family. >> the girls in particular said they have all forgiven josh. the family has moved on and they said they felt victimized a thousand times worse by the release of the information which they wanted to keep private. the city attorney general you realize the judge has ruled this was unlawful. the city attorney who authorized it to the police chief said there was nothing wrong with this. when we investigated josh duggar even though he committed it when he was a juvenile it got released when he was an adult. >> he was an unadjudicated minor. you're an attorney. >> he confessed. >> he was never adjudicated. >> he did not confess in a court of law. the law does not hold him accountable. even if he confesses. the bigger issue is not josh. the bigger issue, the girls. how were the girls served? how were the victims served by the exploitation by the

release, the unlawful release, i'm going to go back and emphasize the illegal under lawful release of that information. it was not about the victims. it was about trying to go after the dugars. they have been known as a family that is a christian family. if a liberal has anything like this kind of situation, it's no big deal. and i think we all have heard the comparison between this and leyna dunham. >> the criticism was if they were atheists people like you would not be defending the actions of josh duggar. >> can anybody find where i have ever blown up the issue for somebody else? the closest thing is comparing the obvious one that i just mentioned. but i don't go out there. i don't want to destroy anybody. the one thing about a true christian believer you don't want to hurt people destroy people. that's not your goal. you want to uphold truth, common sense. you don't go out there to

specifically target individuals, and see if you can exploit them for your own gain. >> i know you were just in iowa. are people talking about this? it has been such a big story in the nation. do you hear about this from voters at this point? >> no. people in iowa people in south carolina people in other states i've been. they want to ask me about the trade partnership act. they're concerned about the fact their jobs are disappearing. they're concerned that working two part-time jobs instead of one good full-time job. they're scared to death about terrorism coming to their own streets and their neighborhoods. i never get a question about this unless it is to say, by the way, why is this such a big issue? but as far as is this what is burning in the hearts of voters? is this what they're going to use to decide the next president? absolutely not. >> i have to end it on this note. i understand there was a bit of news in the huckabee chan. is it today that your daughter

gave birth to a grandson. i'll let you break the news. >> well my fifth grand child, my daughter's third, little george huggins sanders came into the world 2:51 this morning. eight pounds three ounces, and naturally i think he is an adorable kid. just like the other four all of whom are under 4. needless to say there's lots of noise when we get together. >> i hope he gets lots of huggins like his name. >> great to see you. why do you think this duggar story went global? what is it about this family that has prompted such a fierce back lash? dana lash and robert zimmerman have some thoughts on that next. let's take a look at your credit. >>i know i have a 786 fico score, thanks to all the tools and help on experian.com. so how are we going to sweeten this deal? floor mats... clear coats... >>you're getting warmer... leather seats... >>and this...

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else, the kardashians, anyone who has invited cameras into their home and have made their family life open. americans are very volunteeristic. they love watch it. it is an he is came just as anything else. >> that doesn't justify the enormous interest in this particular family. there's something about them. they're not just another reality tv show. continuing americans are all watching. they're the lindsey lohan family with bibles. >> give me a chance to process that. >> you could say mrs. duggar is joan crawford with a bible. the reality is the way they dealt with this terrible tragedy was one issue. the other point was they put themselves out there as the epitome of conservative values. as ambassadors of christian values. yet they use their position and celebrity to preach hate mongering and fear especially toward the gay and lesbian community, even so far as josh

duggar being executive director of the family research council that even attacks our servicemen and women who are gay and links homosexuality to teed feel i can't. >> they don't do that. >> definitely against gay marriage. no question. >> can i correct his cultural example for a minute? his reference to lindsey lohan with the bible? it would be leyna dunham with the bible or bill clinton with a bible. that's a little more appropo. oh right. you celebrate those individuals. that's the big difference. the big difference is the standard. >> let me finish. >> you can still believe that what happened -- >> ronald. act like a gentleman. let a lady finish. >> you can still believe what job duggar did was abhorrent. i think it is disgusting. i don't think there's any excuse for it. i don't crawl into their minds

and say i know them better than anyone else but you do. >> may i make a point? i'm not trying to crawl into their minds i'm just reading what they say publicly. what they say publicly what josh duggar says publicly is the worst hate amongering. >> can i ask you that? i look back obviously. i've done a lot of research on this family. michelle i get with it the robocall. she compared them to transgender. but josh has made a lot of statements opposing gay marriage. talking about family values and the need for a mother and a father. is there something specific that he has said beyond that that you're thinking of? >> he has a leadership position in an organization which has espoused the most hateful rhetoric toward gay servicemen and women in the military. the family research council linls. i'm genuinely searching. what do you think? do you think that there is a greater desire to celebrate their troubles because they have been so outspoken on the issue

in particular of gay marriage? >> i honestly don't think that's the issue. pits they hold themselves out there as paragones of issue and the -- >> the hypocrisy. >> plus the hate mongering. and i go back that to point because for josh duggar to associate, to take a leadership role in a hate mongering organization, to attack the gay and lesbian community is fine if he is opposed to marriage equality of it is wrong to use faith to preach fear and prejudice. >> i think i would disagree with robert in that. if you want to talk about fear amongering and hate mongering, which isn't a six institutethinking differently. look at all individuals. the robertsons any christian in pop culture is eviscerated by the left if they hold a position of faith on a social issue xfl this is just a vehicle through which to further attack christians. they're exploiting us. >> great to see you both.

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you're back you're a convicted felon. you served your sentence. it wasn't really hard time. how was it? >> well, it was -- remember when i came on your show right after my sentencing. i was thrilled not to have a prison sentence. and instead to be given the eight months in a confinement center. i was a bit surprised when i got in the confinement center to recognize it was the whole gamut of criminals from you know murderers to burglarers to people who had been bringing people across the border. drug smugglers. >> people like you who made an illegal campaign donation. >> it was a rough crowd. on the other hand after an initial period of caution in which i basically kept to myself i tried to figure out if there were gangs going on in there. i tried to figure out how i would survive over eight months of sleeping you may say with the hoodlums. after a while i figured it out. i talked to them learned about

their lives. i was in a very unusual position that very few people find themselves in. almost like an anthropologist in a strange land. >> you say the murderers consider themselves small fry. >> there is a kind of shamelessness among the criminals. we want people to be rehabilitated and feel appropriately humbled to accept what they did was wrong. interestingly, most of these people do. it's not like in the shah shank redemption where they say we're innocent. they also have this view it's an ideology you might say that they are the small fry that the big criminals are out there. they're at large. they're so powerful that the system can't get them. in fact they are the system. so i found this to be a very provocative and in a sense interesting idea. i'm trying to research it now to investigate whether the criminals are basically right.

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