remarks on health care and we are monitoring what he is and we will keep on eye on that. >> we will see you back here in an hour. >> "outnumbered" begins now. >> this is "outnumbered." i am andrea tantaros, and here with us is harris faulkner sandra smith, and host of kennedy, kennedy montgomery, and fox news contributor and ceo of concerned veterans of america, pete hegseth. how is the tour going? >> it is going great. >> your freedom isn't free. >> never free. always needs to be defended. >> and thank you for your service and fighting for the freedom >> absolutely.

>> speaking of defending, the president has been defending the health care law currently giving a speech on the health care law, you can see him on the screen left, and laying out what the overhaul meant for millions of americans. this as the supreme court could gut obamacare from what we know it as. the president admitted yesterday he has no plan b if the justice rule against him. he said congress could just make a small tweak. >> i am optimistic that the supreme court will play it straight and b i should mention if it didn't congress could fix this whole thing with a one sentence provision. >> and when asked what the republican plan is if the supreme court knocks down the

obamacare subsidies, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell saying we will let you know. and a new poll showing support for obamacare at a new low finding only 39% of americans support the president's achievement and more than half 54 54% oppose the health care law. before getting into the president bullying the court. we talked about the president not having a strategy on isis or obamacare. who is in charge? >> i don't know but whoever has the strategy should call the president. i have the speech laid out he is giving and here is a section to know about. this is what the president is banking on as he speaks at the catholic hospital association. this is reality. five years in. we are not talking about a law now. this is health care in america. he is hoping to appeal you use the word bullying we will say

argue with the supreme court before they make their decision trying to get them to get rid of the case so he doesn't have to come up with a plan b. in germany, when he was wrapping up at the g-7 summit conference yesterday i don't know if he saw the last comment or the press in by the reporter who at one point as he was in the middle of his diatribe she pressed in saying you are plan ahead kind of guy, watch. >> why not have a plan b? >> if somebody does something that doesn't make any sense it is hard to fix. and this would be hard to fix. luckily there is no reason to have to do it. it doesn't need fixing. all right? >> so i don't have a plan but i am just hoping they don't make me come up with one.

is that the answer? >> as a constitutional law professor pete i have seen the legislative branch as a consulting body. he was trying to intimidate them. i think he is nervous it will not go the way he wants. >> if you read the law, most likely it will not. his plan b is not having a plan b because he thinks he has the political high ground on this. the reason mcconnell answered the way he did is there is no easy fix for republicans. there could be one, but messaging it against what the democrats do which is the republicans want to take away the federal subsidies we gave you. that is a hard thing to do. his plan b is to not have plan b and play politics and point back at the republicans saying they don't want you to have the health care i gave you. >> and pete brings up a great point because you know the

mainstream media footages is queued up with children dying without subsidies and people dying without the subsidies. but these subsidies were designed as a way to get revenue because as an employer you cannot get fined and the fines were a big way to get people in. >> businesses struggled, the insurance industry is in turmoil, hospitals who thought they would see increased revenue saw it and i was looking at a study from the american action forum saying striking it down would produce 337,000 jobs and add a million americans back to the workforce but i go back to comments from senator john barrasso saying he is prepared to help americans who may be harmed by this and congress will not pass a so-called one

sentence fix. we can criticize the administration for its action here but why don't the republicans more prepared with a backup plan? why don't they have a prepared response? >> you are absolutely right. it is pretty lame on part of the gop to not have a backup plan on the one issue they used to run against this administration in the last election. it is pathetic. >> and mcconnell is in trouble after the big failing on the nsa. republicans have had at least five years to come up with some sort of alternatives. and the states are saying if we are on a federal exchange and they feel morally obligated to provide insurance for poor people who need the subsidies in order to get insurance so they are like what will it take for these states to get their own exchanges? and a few have done it and that

is what congress should be looking at now; finding a way if the supreme court does in fact rule against the administration what they can do for the states so people are not left without insurance because the majority of independents democrats and a lot of republicans don't want people to go without it. >> it is going to be a mess. >> it is going to be chaotic if they rule against the administration. >> it will be. the problem is there is not a vacuum of ideas on the republican side. a health care specialist in manhattan had a repeal and replace plan running against the political realities of a president who is not going do it. if you do anything wrapped around obamacare you are validating obamacare and by the states making a fix you are acknowledging that obamacare is here to stay and not a single republican wants that. obamacare is a wet blanket on top of the economy and

republicans want to find a way to use something like this and turn the corner. >> and in addition to the president's political land mine a lot of senators are up for re-election in 2016 and you know that could be a nuse they are walking into if they come off with an ad hoc or substandard plan that makes the industry worse. >> they knew all along if they got a repeal and replace they would need a plan b, c and d. they would just need a plan. it does beg the question as andrea is saying why don't they have one. republican governors are out there and a big part of this. calling upon them for ideas, i think you are right. can the ideas be triggered on a moments notice once the supreme court rules against the subsidies?

>> a lot of these republican governors have decided they will not participate in the subsidies and they said you know what? we don't need you administration. it is a lot of these democratic governors the ones who voted and campaigned for the president, that are in the biggest of troubles. and as pete pointed out there are a number of things they could do. they should be having a pres conference with a plan in case the court rules in favor >> what about the gop candidates? all of these people running in 2016 could step forward with a plan. i will throw it back in your lap andrea. why isn't anyone being advised to do that? >> it is huge opportunity to do something. this isn't a surprise. they have known this is coming. especially lawmakers on capital hill they knew this law was written deliberately this way as part of the deal with senator

ben nelson who stepped up saying they want the states to participate like they do with medicaid and democrats wanted to spread the wealth around and get the people hooked on the goodies. this was all by design. >> they talked about the wording in it that is now contentious. >> you don't have young healthy people propping up the system and in order for the supplies to work that is what you need. and that is why premiums are spiking in so many states and you know we are not just talking about subdidies. we are talking about average working families who will not be able to afford health care. that is not working >> we will stay on the story. it is quite possibly the biggest in politics. a shocking new inspector general report finding major security flaws at the tsa and a capital hill hearing is going on into the agency's challenges. what needs to be done to protect

our nation's airports? and new information on isis garthered from a raid. what we are learning the terrorist wives do and what it tells us about the group. and after the show catch more from the catch on the web. this is where it gets dirty. it is called "outnumbered" overtime. log on to foxnews.com foxnews.com/outnumbered. harris is loging logging on now taking your questions and comments.

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welcome back to "outnumbered." hearing is going on on capital hill into troubles with the transportation security administration. the department of homeland security inspector general testifying one day after a report found the agency failed to flag 73 airport workers linked to terrorism on a watch list clearing them for access to secure airport areas. a tsa spokesman saying the tsa followed all 60 recommendation and the observations noted the onknowing effort to improve the

vetting of aviation workers and coinsides with the additional steps to address the inside threat vulnerability at the u.s. airports. and this comes on the heels of another report that people were able to smuggling in banned weapons 90% of the time. here is some of what john roth said earlier. >> tsa cannot afford to miss a single genuine threat without potential catastrophic consequences yet a terrorist only needs to get it right once. >> a terrorist that could be working for the tsa. this is an amazing report. after we heard the ugly truth about being able to smuggle in or casually bring in guns.

this has been a report with thousands of records used to vet the employees had incomplete data as looking a full name or social security numbers >> the important thing is they were missing important intelligence information. it is not like the people are working at the airport in close location to planes where they could wreak havoc on the nation. no wait they were. this shows you the tsa is not keeping us safe, very inefficient and dangerous. so you know what i will say, privatize. i said it before and i will say it again. prive -- privatize. >> how can this be the case pete, just a few years from 9/11? >> i think it is more like to be the case. 900,000 employees and only 73-900,000 is a tiny number as

he testified the terrorist only have to be right one time. as the burrocracy grows and the regulation regulations grow you have a limited way of what they should do. they are not incentives. they fight with the oag so at least there is leadership at the tsa knowing there is a problem. >> does it make you more scared to enter into an airport in the united states? >> i would not say scared but i wonder about the inconsistency. and hazthat is concerning. airports are all different and i am sure the enemy looks at this and says i will take the one with the shorter list of checking things. the employees don't want this.

if they did the job they did at a private company they would be fired because it will bead open to lawsuits if people felt unsafe because it would be privatized. i am hoping something, and i don't think they are anticipating this question but i would like to ask how all of these years since 9/11 something came up and that is the radio systems don't connect one another. that came out yesterday too. i mean within the dhs not everyone in the field even. within their own department. the structure and reporting structures from manager to manager, if i call in with a problem, there is no direct line. and we spent $430 million on the radio system. can i get money back as a taxpayer? >> that sounds so outdated. >> that is government. >> of course the tsa's initial response is we were not provided the appropriate list to be able to secure the vetting process, right? a lot of finger pointing.

>> the main story, i think, that is grabbing everything within is terrorist as potential security screeners. >> that got me. >> you could not make it up if you tried. it is unbelievable. remember sandra we got the dhs and bloated burrocracy when the republicans started acting like the democrats. i don't know how the government can know everything about me but know-nothing about terrorist. they can't seem the figure out their social security numbers or when they are. >> clapper is in charge of the tsa and that is what you have to do. it isn't people working just the tsa but think about baggage handlers and food handlers and people who have easy access to through the points.

>> if there was a terrorist doing security screenings we would never get our deodorant through. >> i don't know what that means? >> i got it. >> new reaction to president obama's comments yesterday saying we don't have a complete strategy to defeat isis after all of this time. the fallout as the terrorist kidnap more christians and wow to take baghdad. and the treasure u.s. commanders found at the raid of the isis leader who is now dead. the valuable information we are learning about the role played by the wives of the terror leaders and how it could help in the fight against them.

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baghdad after they kidnapped 88 christians inside libya. but if you were expecting a strategy on how to defeat them then no. he admitted yesterday there is no complete strategy. the absence of a strategy is getting this reaction from the president's republican critics beginning with senator mccain. >> the president said we don't have a strategy to fight isis in iraq and syria. he said again, we don't yet have a complete strategy about how to combat isis. i would like to see the incomplete strategy. i would like to see something. >> senator mccain just looking for a footnote. and this reaction from the speaker of the house appears to say it all. in a tweet the speaker summing up the president's isis plan

with a representation of a person shrugging. we learned from the president yesterday, also because we was dropping news we are waiting on iraq's prime minister to recruit more sunnis. how is that going to work out? >> not well because he's aligned with iran and they have the best fighting force with the will to want to fight like isis. and we have seen the iraqi military unfortunately fade away. and they do so under the guide of an american commander and chief and a government in baghdad that is adrift. it doesn't have a comprehensive strategy or any strategy to kill isis. that is what you have do. >> he said we are doing well to keep them on hold. >> >> >> tell that to the folks in ramadi and anbar province and to the folks in ramadi.

we are coming in ramadan and they will probably increase the operational tempo when they have their holy month. declaring they will take baghdad is propaganda. they will not be a able to do that but they are trying to rally people they are still on the offenses. >> i am curious how you get the sunni's from the north who you have a shiite government. >> the tribes in the west have been central in anbar province but we have minimized them. >> i am curious to get kennedy and andrea talking about this. we learned the president does want have a strategy because they are waiting on iraq. can he continue to punt it down the road until he is out of office? and andrea should he? >> i think he can and we will and that is exactly what he is doing. i think he realizes there is no

way between now and election day, let alone the time he leaves office they will be able to train effectively more security forces in order to defend their own interest in the region. how many dozens of billons have we dumped into the iraqi army? >> i agree with kennedy. i think he is going to run out the clock. he is banking iran will fight the process. if he wanted to save iraq he would not let it fall to the iranians in the first place. i would understand it better if the president said here is strategy. i don't want boots on the ground. here is what i am thinking. he didn't do this. i don't understand the mentality behind going to the podium and saying we don't have a strategy. >> and bream blaming it on the

defense department and iraq. they have had a number of strategy out there. >> specifically should we? andrea i heard you say previously and i am curious to know your thoughts if the president isn't getting his act together should he go in there that all? >> as a united states citizen if the commander and chief is not going to have the backs of the men and women in uniform and doesn't believe in the mission, and the men and women on the ground are not going to have every tool on the ground why would go get our several into tribal warfare that is about differences that have been happening for years. what is the interest in the united states of america and getting our men and women killed in the idea of nation building. i am sorry.

i cannot get behind it >> this trove of information seized after a raid in syria last month and data shows the terrorist wives act as couriers passing information to each other. that senior operative's wife was cost last month and giving valuable information. >> this isn't different than the financial world where insiders tap into the family matters and the wives of the families know about the situation. we have been able to find a lot more out about isis' use of oil on the black market in order to fund themselves through the wives. what is happening here is in order to not have an electronic trail i guess you could say the wives have been exchanging information with each other and with the husbands and spouses in order to not let anybody know what they are doing.

in some cases, when they want to know more, an investigation they are tapping into the wives and their computers and electronics. >> so you have a culture where as women we don't have rights but we are important when it comes to killing the enemy. >> and brought in on the larger missions. they are an appendage to the isis fighter. and another opportunity -- >> i am guessing their lives depend on it. >> this is why we see women muslims heading over there to be brides of the fighters. you know what the irony is? this administration is talking about all of the intelligence and interrogation they got how did that get that integration and this wife they are interrogating? didn't people go in with boots on the ground. intelligence is necessary in order to understand and defeat your enemy. we think we can do it with digital intelligence but it takes dangerous people doing

dangerous things. not battalions worth of people but you have to go out there and find how they organize. >> the human intelligence is critical and i think the president has an overrelyiance on drones. i think the missing part of the picture that is so critical is human intelligence. how else and taking things by force isn't necessarily the only way but how else can we get human intelligence in that part of the world where it is dangerous for westerns and journalist? >> look at the radicalized member in prison where he was held captive. we are weeks behind intelligence and what she is doing because we don't have real-time intelligence. >> harris you brought up something important. when you look at what the

president is doing. he seems to have a strategy. he is letting them have the caliphate and helping the terror war by closeing guantanamo bay and releasing people. it troubles be having a general stanley say we need to win the minds. he said crush them and leave and come home. >> there is a time for counter in insurgeants. two to the heart and one to the mind is watt it takes. it should not have to be the united states. we should have arab allies doing that. >> it started with the role women are playing. they are winning recruitment

online in the digital world but leaving no trail for us to find their finances >> we assume because of the way they treat their women we are not talking to them. so intelligence will never zone in on them. >> the nsa should be spying on them. >> we will drop the mike and move on. a big shakeup in jeb bush's campaign move. the surprise move the former florida governor who is running well we don't know until june 15th if he is running, and what it could mean going forward. sunday dinners at my house... it's a full day for me, and i love it. but when i started having back pain my sister had to come help. i don't like asking for help. i took tylenol but i had to take six pills to get through the day. so my daughter brought over some aleve. it's just two pills, all day! and now, i'm back! aleve. two pills. all day strong, all day long.

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eastern europe. in a move he capped a new campaign manager danny diezaz is taking on the role rather than a seasoned iowa veteran who is going to be chief strategist instead. why do we air? >> danny diaz has a great head shot. >> have you seen that picture? let's pop it up there so we know what you are talking about. >> black and white? or antique filter? anywho the bigger story why people at home should care is because any time you are talking about internal moves in a campaign it is like moving around chairs on the titanic a little bit in the political world. >> i think now is the time to do this. before going public and full

scale campaign. i think there is recognition they want someone to help the trains run on time. and there have been a couple stumbles and he is going off the europe where christie and walker had stumbled. they are going into official campaign mode and they are trying to make sure they have the right people in the right place. now is the right time to make the moves. >> when you look at the headlines jeb had over the last couple weeks and rather than the gop field awaiting jeb bush we are getting internal hr press releasing about this and leading up to this the big story was jeb bush's 18-19 answers on iraq. the press he has gotten hasn't been great. >> andrea what would you do as a strategist? you would say focus on the positive. and jeb bush has an economic

record in florida he could focus on with the poll showing the 2016 voters will be voting based on the economy. so why not tell jeb bush to focus on the tax cuts and the improved economic rating in florida? >> he is one of the last people in the race. i agree the campaign might be in trouble. if he is less than a week away from announcing he is getting in that could mean people at the top of are getting nervous. >> i don't agree with that. having covered campaigns before what does a successful person do when it is time to get serious? they send a signal and change things. in my humble opinion this is the difference between a governor and a senator running. he took inventory of the people around him and did what he

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now. >> thank you jon. >> who let the cat out? we will find out. >> meow! >> one mom is calling out target for categorizing its toys by gender. the ohio mom snapped the sign here showing two signs one listed at boy's building sets and the other girl's building sets posting it on twitter. one person tweeted not even boy's building sets but building sets. and target may as well just cover the aisles blue and pink but the retail change defended the decision saying we conducted a test where we removed any reference to gender in the toy aisles in a number of stores and in those stores our guest research showed guest preferred having a variety of indicators that can help inform and guide

their shopping trip. okay. so sandra you have one of each. how deeply offended were you as a woman with a daughter at home that target had the adacity to label such? >> my first born who is two plays are legos and building blocks and doesn't even own a baby. would i be offended if they targeted her specifically with pink blocks? absolutely not. because it encourages girls who like pink to build. i think we made strides on that front. i say get over it. what is next? they will criticize the aisle named for girls with dresses in as it >> maybe they should not separate boy and girls clothing. >> let me slip into default male

syndrome flight. >> that is so hot. >> i am trying. say you are at target, the corporations cave and ask for forgiveness but they did market research and girls want to go to the girl aisle and guys in the guy guy aisle. what is the issue? don't go there. >> if they had tutu's that were gray or camouflage and called them boy tutu's would that be >> when i read it i was relieved they were not sets for building girls. >> weird science! >> i was really relieved. i think we can get offended by a whole lot. i don't know if i have energy for this one. i mean i am raising two girls. and like sandra one of them is

all into architecture and building thing and the other has 59,000 dolls. it doesn't offend me. i will go down the aisle i want to go down. >> that is true. if it is gift buying that is one thing. but doesn't the child make a bee line for the toy they want? doesn't matter what aisle you but it in the child or adult will find the toy they like. >> we have done experimenting with our girls buying cars and blocks and sometimes they play with them and sometimes they don't. sometimes they have a natural predisposition to colors and sometimes they want to sit around and watch sponge bob because i am raising two geniuses. >> common sense may tell us to bite our tongue but according to a one professor we should

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>> it turns out couples who complain together stay together. proves that common sense tells you to keep your mouth shut if your partner is irritating you. couples who complain immediately are statistically less likely to get divorced. >> who will i put on the spot first. kennedy. >> it shoes that you have a deeply optimistic view of your partner your marriage has confidence. that is better than silent treatment that can foster resentment and that is detrimental. >> nothing like a good silent treatment that is very

effective. >> very effective. >> it is case by case. but the bicker and are banter is fun and you enjoy each other's company. my parents watch my wife and i bicker are and banter and that is a good sign. if you hold it underneath. >> it is like the agape love. >> what is the greek word. >> very good sandra. >> like a brotherly or sisterly type of love. >> that is felos. >> and a ros kind of love is after you bicker. i like to bicker a bit. you can needle them and makes jokes and you don't have to explode at the end. you bet to make up. >> and oh, they are going there. and harris you are quiet.

you are like a talk it out type of person. >> i am. but it is that banter that is interesting and it is generational. my parents don't do it because tony and i do. but i think it is generational. we are more vocal in our marriages maybe than back in the day. if you and your loved one don't listen to each other, you might find somebody who will listen. keep talking and listening. >> no that is right. >> kennedy picks a fine line between bickering and nagging. >> they have to know that you love them deeply and believe in them and letting out that pressure every once in a while is effective and a good friend of mine. his parents and his mom told me talk about everything. >> and that is the key to the successful marriage. >> thank you everyone.

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