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sufficiently inclusive and diverse. they want to look around the area you live and decide if your town is diverse enough. if not, the feds will order low-income housing or else much of your federal funding for your town will dry up. experts say this is more than an attempt to change the way america's neighborhoods look. it may also be an attempt to change the way they vote. joining us now, richard fowler and contributor and former chief presidential speechwriter to george w. bush mark teason. we begin tonight with mark. and so mark this is being described as something that president obama has had in the works for years. but has only now found the guts to actually put out there as a housing and urban development proposed final rule because his term is almost done and this is the time to do it. the last thing on the list. change the neighborhoods. >> absolutely. look. this is what happens when you

take a community organizer and put him in the white house. he wants to organize your community from washington, d.c. this is an insidious idea. what they're trying to do is engage in social engineering of local communes from washington, d.c. they'll take data and collect data on the racial makeup economic makeup of communities and bribe or blackmail them into changing their zoning policies. this is a fundamental assault on local government the principles of the country built on. >> they don't want quote, unequal neighborhoods. unequal neighborhoods. they think too many communities are too white, too privileged with too big mcmansions, too s and they want to diverse the communities whether the communities want it or not. >> well you know the way to diversify communities, we believe in diversifying communities, too, as conservatives. you do that through economic

opportunity and create opportunities for people at the bottom of the economic lad tore afford housing in the communities and by helping more americans afford the housing in the affluent communities. they can't get ahead. >> but wait. but what they're saying is that the way you live what your town looks like the racial makeup of it the opportunity that is there has a real affect on families and saying too often families of color live in downtrodden socio economically depressed cities whereas the whites live in the affluent suburbs around the cities and having a negative effect on the families of color. and much in the same way affirmative action meant to lift up the families of color gives them more of a running start instead of starting from stop this is supposed to do the same in a neighborhood. >> yeah. but the problem isn't the affluent communities. it's downtrodden communities and

the policy that is created the communities. we have talked a lot on this show of baltimore. right? and the reality is that the people living in depressed areas of baltimore, it's not because they're not living in affluent communities of baltimore because there's racism in the zoning boards. they're living there because they don't have opportunity. they don't jobs or hope. they're stuck in failing public schools n. baltimore african-american young men have a 37% unemployment rate. you're not going to move into an aflubt neighborhood if you don't have a job or an education. so the problem is not that the communities are keeping people out. the system is keeping the people down by not giving them jobs and communities. >> what is going to happen? this rule passes they go in and take a look at how your community looks, how white is it? you know howdy verse if ied and rich is it? it doesn't meet with approval they can come in and what? low-income housing, which is controversial because sometimes that can lower the housing values in a community that you know they with respect

anticipating it. and what -- i mean, what else? what would it look like? >> it's not going to happen. i think because there's a massive revolt in this country against this. this is just such an assault on what we stand for as a country to have washington, d.c. coming in to local communities zoning and housing. those are local decisions that local communities make. that's not the job of the department of housing and urban development to micromanage thousands and thousands of municipalityies saying there needs to be affordable housing here and there. >> they'll try to push it through as a rule and the question for you how does it play in 2016 politics? >> it's going to be very important in 2016 politics for a couple of reasons. number one, because the person who's implementing this julian castro the hud secretary, on everybody's short list to be hillary clinton's vice presidential nominee. >> ah. >> so he -- if he gets tapped to be hillary's running mate this is a very very central issue and secondly right now what they're going to do if the rule

goes through and not block congress they'll collect the data first. it's not implemented under president obama. the next president will implement it. hillary clinton going to reengineer your community? if elected president -- >> and they'll say republicans are against communities of color. >> exactly. >> the flight those folks who pursued white flight want it to stay that way and don't want people of color next door to them, racist and discriminatory. >> that's why republicans have to be careful how they handle this. portray republicans as the party of the rich to protect the white suburbs against people of color and poverty coming into their neighborhoods. we need to make clear every principle of every american should be able to live wherever they want and opportunities to live wherever they want. >> this is fascinating issue and it's very interesting that this is apparently one of president obama's prize issues and he's saved it until now. thanks marc.

>> thank you. >> richard, your thoughts on first of all, an attempt to manipulate the way cities vote the voting makeup. >> i don't think that's the case at all here. i think what the president is trying to do is create opportunity for all. let's talk about the facts. fact number one is there is more caucasians on section 8 housing than african-americans or latinos. right? >> opponents are trying to help. >> all families. >> lower socio economically situated families and focused on helping communities of color good thing but they're open about that -- who they're trying to help. >> here's the thing. when you have more diverse communities like the nation's capital where you have caucasian families living next to african-american families living next to latino families living next to poor and rich families you have a more diversity in ideas and better working places and better living situations for our young people.

right? young people grow up and get to understand culture and diversity. >> that happens organically. >> that's not controversial. what's controversial is government designed equal neighborhoods. they're talking about unequal, uninclusive neighborhoods. >> this is not the first time we have seen the federal government take steps in this direction. the other one is brown versus the board of education when the government said segregation in schools and it's not a good idea and do everything to break that down and then breaking that down is what's made america a better place. >> your position is that -- >> an african-american president. >> the position is that even though any african-american can move into any community, really what stops you move into a community is money. generally. right? i didn't grow up in a fancy neighborhood. i wanted to be in one. we couldn't afford it. and then getting to an adult, i made more money and now i live in a nice neighborhood. it's a nice home. the neighborhood -- anyway.

the point is that's the way it was usually done. it's not like you must diversify because uncle sam feels it's too white or it's too rich. >> so here's where i agree with marc on one thing. best way to fix it is economic opportunity and a way to do that. now the states and the localities municipalityies can reject the money and seen it happen in the past. >> they can't. they take it to fight blight. no one wants blight. >> passing the highway bill in the country for the first time a lot of states decided not take the money because they want to raise the age for smoking. right? >> it's over $3 billion. it's over $3 billion. >> the state vs the ability to choose or not to choose to take the money. if you don't want the federal government controlling how your neighborhoods diversify makeup is don't take the money. >> if you're so rich don't take the money. >> i'm pretty sure they won't take the money. i can name a couple suburbs like we don't want it. we want to stay the way we are.

white picket fences. >> i was going to try to get the image in my head. richard fowler thanks for being here. we know you don't feel well. we appreciate it. >> thanks. with top contenders of both parties joining mitt romney in utah. the governor is here to outline the stakes. and almost one year to the day after the islamic state captures key cities across syria and iraq the white house is now sending in more troops. one iraq veteran today issued a public challenge to the president's plan and he is here with that. plus reports from the front lines of this massive manhunt suggest police could be close to catching up to the two killers who escaped from the big maximum security prison in new york. a former inmate from that prison the so-called party monster, is here with an insider's take on this escape. and then brian kilmeade

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major campaign to capture key cities across iraq the white house is now sending in more troops. the plan is already under fire as too little too late since isis made major gains including capturing mosul, fallujah and ramadi. all major cities u.s. troops fought and died to secure before president obama took office. the terror group driven tens of thousands from northern iraq, kidnapped, tortured and murdered thousands of iraqi soldiers and committed countless beheadings includeing americans. all this and they still have estimated 31,000 fighters on the battlefields about double their number from just last september. when president obama admitted about isis quote, we don't have a strategy yet. this week the president appeared to double down saying even today, quote, we don't have a complete strategy and sending

in 450 ground troops, mostly to equip and train the iraqis. the president's plan was met with some skepticism. >> the u.s. military fought for about a decade with hundreds of thousands of ground troops. it's hard to see how a few hundred noncombat troops make much of a difference. >> clay hannah served in the army 2003 to 2008. he fought in ramadi. now under isis control and he got a lot of attention today for an open letter to the white house calling mr. obama's idea a, quote, hopeless mission. clay thank you for being here. why do you say that hopeless mission? >> my thank you for having me. well i think that this is fundamentally a leadership problem that the administration has had throughout this conflict. the rhetoric has simply not matched the reality on the ground and the administration and the president have not been clear with the american people or with our troops about -- as to what the situation is what the plan is and how we're going the achieve our objectives in

the middle east. >> when you write this letter to the president, you're not pressing him to go in guns blazing into iraq. you're saying make a real choice and then stand behind it. >> correct. yeah. i think that this whole debate that we've been having has been centered around the wrong question. we've been discussing a lot of tactics and whether we should escalate and whether we should embed troops. deeper into iraqi units. and whether we should push out observers further in the field. the real question should be, is this in our strategic interest to be in iraq? is it in our strategic interest to defeat isis? and is there a moral imperative to defeat isis? >> what do you think president obama's answers to those questions are? >> i don't know. that's -- that's a big part of

the question. i think he does have an opinion on whether it's worthwhile for u.s. troops to be dying there. so that's -- and that's pretty pornd important. that's why i wrote what i did because i wanted him to make a zoigs for us. we need leadership and for him to be willing to tell us what he thinks is the right thing and then stand behind it. >> what does that do to troops having fought in these city that is are now under isis control? when's it do to the troops the hear the commander in chief say we still don't have a strategy? >> i think that it's probably tremendously frustrating. i know in my own experience in my second deployment i got to iraq in the fall of 2006 and at that point there was a lot of uncertainty about what the plan was and at one point i believe it was november or october of

2006 we actually had two different scenarios that we were actively working on. one was that we were going to be pushing out further into the city. i was in baghdad. and the other was we were going to be redeploying out in the desert along the iranian border. two totally different missions. and it was very difficult thing to muster the motivation from my troops and from myself really and have an explanation for my family as to what i was doing out there, why i was risking my life when we weren't really sure what the plan even was. >> right. and here we are again. clay good to see you. thank you for your service and your time tonight. >> thank you. well, some of the most powerful folks in america gathered in utah this weekend to debate where america goes next. governor mitt romney is here exclusively after the break. plus hundreds of police teams are out tonight looking for the two escapees from this

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everyone loves the chase. kelly file exclusive today on the kickoff of a key event on the road to the white house. for the next few days white house hopefuls and powerful american leaders of both sides of the aisle will get together at the e-t summit in utah. senator rubio, governor walker senator cram carlie fiorina and governor kasich are showing up and there to talk about leadership former obama adviser david axelrod, robert gates and larry summers to name a few. earlier tonight, i spoke with the host of the event, 2012

republican presidential nominee and former govern nor of massachusetts, mitt romney. governor great to see you tonight. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. good to join you. >> what's the purpose of the e-2 summit? why are you getting all these people together? >> well i want people who are in leadership positions, whether in government or in the private sector or in the voluntary sector to learn from one another about the qualities of leadership and to talk about the direction for the country and ultimately some of these people get behind people running for president and make as informed a choice as they possibly can. >> i love it's bipartisan. some are calling this the pry romney primary. will somebody emerge with the romney stamp of approval? >> no. no stamp of approval. i'm going to stay forcefully neutral in this process. and i'm not going to be getting behind anybody who's one of our contenders. >> i want to get to the candidates and your thoughts on some of them in a minute but you bring up the topic of leadership and president obama has come

under fire this week for his leadership on the question of isis. and has come out publicly and said we don't have a complete strategy yet. and this is you know ten months after he said we don't have a strategy at all. and isis has made some major gains. you wanted the job he now holds. you have given it some thought. do you have any strategy for defeating isis? >> well of course. and it's certainly not based upon all the informed information that one would have as president of the united states i think you have to say it's disappointing, disconcerting for the commander in chief to send 450 men and women in harm's way and say we don't have a strategy for you to be successful. the right strategy for isis i think two parts. one is phase one which is to hold isis where it is and to concentrate it in one place, keep it from spreading. phase two is ultimately to defeat it and eliminate. phase one to be successful to be

sure that baghdad will not fall. that the capital of the curd stan region will not fall and make sure that we pick a city a symbolic city we take back. i'm talking about the forces of good here not isis. we take it back so we hit them with the pr campaign of theirs and then we have to employ the kind of guerrilla tactics to a certain degree they employ with bombings which have been pinpointed by people on the ground able to identify places to hit and then where there are new sprouts and isis sproutding off, northern african or other places in the middle east spendend in special forces. >> do you think this is a real effort this 450 boots on the ground or do you think this is window dressing? >> well i'm sure the president did it with a great deal of relub tans. this is backwards. a few people here and there without knowing what they should

accomplish and the end game is. we don't send men and women into harm's way unless we understand the mission from the beginning and how we get out. >> let's switch back to politics with you for a minute and ask you about jeb bush. some people said that the donors got a little skittish after he struggled to answer the iraq question i asked him and then othered followed up and asked him. do you think that jeb bush hurt him with the answers he gave and if so how badly? >> well i'm sure he would have liked to have taken it back and get the answer out from the end he gave and put that at the very beginning and i think he did misunderstand the question. frankly, i think he's in a strong position. he's a very capable person. been an excellent governor. he assembled a top-rate team and my guess is he's going to raise more money than perhaps all the other contenders combined so yeah. a candidates makes mistakes. i'm proof of that. and yet those are not terminal

in a setting like this. particularly so early. i think you have to say he's an impressive guy on a very strong path at this stage. >> speaking of money, "the new york times" has a big piece on marco rubio and financial problems trying to pay off student debt and he and his wife and new child had to move with his mother-in-law and then said he can't manage the team. they flagged this for you. is that true? >> well "the new york times" knows nothing about our vet process and i'm not going to comment on it but they were wrong to put something like that in their story. the story itself is not a new low for "the new york times" but another low for "the new york times." this is a guy who was not a wealthy person who had a normal life and made some investment decisions and made some choices which people make. there was nothing wrong with what he did. nothing illegal with what he did and to try to turn it into a hit piece was really totally

inappropriate. marco rubio is a very capable guy. a very effective speaker of the house in florida. accomplished a lot of things there and has been a very effective united states senator and like jeb bush a serious contender here and "the new york times" effort to try to diminish was in my opinion a real disappointment in that institution. >> governor i have so much more i want to ask you and thankfully you have given me that opportunity and i'll take you up on it when i see you in utah tomorrow night. thank you for being here tonight. >> thanks. good to be with you. and as i mentioned, i will be traveling to deer valley tomorrow for an interview with governor romney. our cameras are being allowed exclusively in the room. we'll have that for you soon. well we are getting reports right now of new leads in the manhunt for two murder earls who escaped a prison in new york. a former inmate from that prison the so-called party monster, michael alig is here

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breaking tonight. new leads are narrowing on the manhunt for two murderers who escaped a maximum security prison in upstate new york. hours ago, authorities announcing that bloodhounds picked up the fugitives' trail and joining us in a moment is michael alig he served nearly two decades behind bars in this same prison for manslaughter a story told in the movie "party monster." first, however, trace gallagher with the latest on the manhunt. trace? >> the dogs apparently picked up

the scent in the town near the prison and followed it into the woods and believe it's from the escaped killers. in the woods, they also found food wrappers and imprint of a shoe or boot and an imprint on the grass where it appears leaves were used as bedding. now, that area is described as rugged with a lot of places to hide. but filled with mosquitos, black flies and ticks and many say it would take some grit to remain there. if ricky matt and david suite are in there, they appear to be trapped on owl sides. listen. >> we have all of that. we have aircraft. we have canine. we have tons of ground personnel. we're exhausting every single resource that we have at our disposal. >> reporter: authorities are also searching the seasonal homes near the prison and continue searching the shores of lake sham plain along the new york-vermont border. so far more than 600 tips produced 0 shard leads.

they think they had help inside and outside the prison. prison employ joyce mitchell appears to be the main suspect. it's unclear exactly who made the calls from her cell phone that made contacts to ricky matt. and others have said that he is a charming psycho path but there are new reports that some in the prison complained that mitchell also had a relationship with david suite and he was removed from his job in the prison tailor shop. so the bottom line here the search continues and the plot truly does thicken. >> trace, thank you. joining us now with more is michael alig former prison inmate and the man behind the true story movie "party monster." thank you for being here tonight. for people not familiar with the story, what did you go to prison for? >> manslaughter. i killed a friend of mine who

was a drug dealer. an accident in a fight. >> you killed him in a fight. okay. what year was that? >> 1996. december '96. >> how long were you sentenced for? >> ten to 20 yores. >> how long did you serve? >> 17. >> okay. did you get out on parole or good behavior? >> both. it's sort of get out on parole for good behavior. >> when you were at the prison were you there when these two guys were there? >> no no. i might have been. i don't know. i didn't know them. >> okay. >> it's a big place so you know i wouldn't have remembered them anyway. they're kind of the epitome of every other convict there. i don't think i would have remembered them. >> do you think they knew you? >> probably. i mean you know that's the case everywhere i went. >> did you have some infamy even in the prison? >> i did. the movie sort of followed my reputation sort of proceeded me wherever i went when i would walk into the facility they knew that i was coming and kind of were waiting for me. >> did you spend any time in the wing of the prison where these

two guys were and amazingly despite the fact that one had dismembered a man was an honor wing? >> no, i didn't. i don't know exactly which wing they were on. nobody ever told me. >> okay. so when you hear that the latest reports that one of them, in particular this david suite, may have had a relationship of some sort with joyce mitchell a prison employee and that in fact it was investigated within the past year by new york state corrections officials, are you surprised that that that could happen? >> i mean you may be surprised to hear i'm not surprised but i'm not because, i mean you know a lot of these prisons, they're in upstate, kind of the incest wous and all brother and family and cyst enandsister and uncle and then hired again and gave the same position again. >> do you think she was targeted? >> oh without a doubt. she was targeted.

>> why? >> because she fixed the psychological profile of the kind of people the kind of women specifically this these men target. they go after people who have low self esteem and maybe aren't used to receiving compliments or you know being chased by kind of sexy men. >> and you say that when you get into prison they sort of give you two book that is are sort of prison bible. what are they? >> the art of seduction and the 38 laws of power and both just evil books that teach you how to manipulate people and how to imitate emotions like love and affection and make somebody really believe that you are falling in love with them. >> why do the prisoners think the books are necessary? these guys are serving life innocences. >> well look at they're necessarily obviously if you want to manipulate you know officers female officers or better yet civilians like this woman who worked in the tailor shop or the library or the mess

ham hall whatever. coming from small towns and not used to men chasing them. some of them the first time they've been chased after by a man like this and releases the dope mean in the brain and like a drug and puts them in a trance. >> how could they have bore the enormous holes in the concrete walls, through steel, without anybody hearing the loud drills? >> that isn't surprising to me either. the first thing you notice going to prison is the outrageous noise that's coming at you from all angles and they have music blaring until 4:00 5:00 6:00 in the morning and unbelievably loud. louder than a nightclub. the bars and things shake and rattle it's so cloud. >> wow. i know you say you're reformed. >> that's true. i mean i have grown a lot. i mean supposed to grow a lot in 20 years. you know? >> a real lot in your case. >> it is. >> thank you for being here. >> uh-huh.

just ahead, one university's professors are being told they cannot encourage kids to work hard to get ahead. no one should stay anything about america being gre exceptional. brian is here to explain why the folks at the university of california have new rules for what you cannot say and what former obama administration official is telling them. a 16-word response to the viral video and almost immediately fired from his job as principal. that story is next.

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and now to a question getting more and more attention these days. when does your right to free speech become a cause for your boss to fire your bottom? when video of the mckinney, texas, pool party fight went viral this week a national debate broke out over the actions of a cop and handled the rowdy group of teenagers, in particular a young girl refusing to leave. when a miami area high school principal sided with the comment in the section comment of an online paper, the bosses decided he crossed a line. brian kilmeade has some thoughts on that. he's fired as principal for one line. what did he say? >> i mean essentially what he said is the cop had to protect himself and, you know, i back him up for what he did. now, this cop the next day, you

know this incident happened on friday. and you know a few days later he decides to resign and the police chief didn't stand behind him. that's an opinion of one man who thought he wrote anonymously to the miami herald and then afterwards somebody else noticed who it was, principle. linked to the facebook page and then commented how could a principal make a statement like that and the first comment of a retired miami beach police officer who happened to be black. and the next thing you know gone to the school predominantly black where he is and just one year and then gone the same day for making the comments and took them down and then apologized to anybody offended. >> he wrote, the cop, he did nothing wrong. he was afraid for his life. i commend him for his actions. it's controversial. however, fire -- we are now living in a day and age where you are not allowed to have a nonpolitically correct opinion. that opinion is his but it's not politically correct and therefore he's fired? i mean people need to ask

themselves this is the world in which we want to live. >> seven minutes. i watched the whole thing. seemed like to officer overreacted. i didn't see the entire thing and pull up and see what reacting and shouldn't pulled toutd weapon. i never broke up an out of control pool party and i repremanded kids. >> you have been at the center of many. move on. there's another -- the free speech police out in full force now because out in california and this is interesting, the university of california's office of the president, guess who that is running the president of university. >> janet napolitano and was once homeland security secretary. >> shutting down terrorists and now free speech because she wants to make sure that the faculty at the university of california don't engage in implicit bias speech or microaggressions including

heaven forbid saying anything about america being the land of opportunity. you can't say that anymore there. >> one thing i never heard of is microaggression. i thought that's my wallet give it back. i understand those are the rules but this is as you mentioned land of opportunity. how about this? i believe the most qualified person should get the job. that is offensive. the other phrases. don't ask a student to fill out a form where you could check a box, male or female. don't ask an opportunity wandering the halls if they're lost because they might imply that they're about to steal something from a lab. >> oh my gosh. >> this is a 11 of the 12 university of california -- >> poor minority kids wandering around the university of california for days on end. where the hell am i? >> basically all you can do there, they say it's all about sub conscious racism. what other bothers me, too, if imyou imply this is a land of opportunity, don't say this phrase looking at somebody i

don't see color. that is wrong. >> shouldn't say that. >> you should not say that. >> i see color. i see it loud and clear and that -- i'm acknowledging my racism so that we can deal with it. >> right. because, of course we are a racist society and can't say it's an a-- >> right. the myth in this country, nor can you say the statement, everyone can succeed in this society if they work hard enough because they say that's your white privilege talking. >> this is absolutely unbelieve. >> tell it to barack obama. >> if you want to keep your job, all you can say is essentially hi. >> yeah. >> i mean just be fine. you do what you want. >> add to it i am racist. i am sexist. i am wrong. >> let's get it out. >> good. you have to follow it up where the hell am i? this is a meanest university ever. >> the poor kid's in chemistry. >> helping the white kids get down 0 the west wing and not the others. >> smart chemistry kid from bangladesh never gets to class.

>> it is not right. up next we have got much more for you guys. specifically why that comment i just made makes me a sexist pig. more with brian on the pc police up to now. caitlyn jenner is named the recipient of the arthur ashe courage award. not everyone is happy about it. >> it strikes me that awarding the arthur ashe award to caitlyn jenner is just a crass exploitation play. it's a tabloid play. hospitals using electronic health records for more than 30 million patients? or that our software helps over 20 million smartphone users remotely configure e-mail every month? or how about processing nearly $5 billion in electronic toll payments a year? in fact, today's xerox is working in surprising ways to help companies simplify the way work gets done and life gets lived. with xerox, you're ready for real business. ♪ we all feel the calling to build

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earlier this month espn announced the arthur ash courage award will go to caitlyn jenner. made what many have called the brave choice to reveal herself

as a transgender woman in "vanity fair" magazine. but it was not without controversy. >> it strikes me that awarding the arthur ashe award to caitlyn jenner is just a crass exploitation play. a tabloid play. in the broad world of sports i'm pretty sure they could have found, and this is not anything against caitlyn jenner. i'm pretty sure they could have found someone who was much more much closer to actively involved in sports. >> so this just in. he's just been fired by nbc news. >> that's not true. it is impossible. what about me? can i get my job back? the courage awards he fought against racism his entire life in a mostly white sport other. people have won this award. nelson mandela, an umpire trying stop a robbery, you have jim who

tried to overcome cancer. of course mohammed ali standing up in the three and a half years. >> i looked at the qualifications. you have to possess strength of the face of adversity, courage in the face of peril. i think you can make a strong case she's done all that of. >> right. >> or you could say what has bruce jen here is a great guy, probably watching right. now he's been on -- a great woman now. i met him as a guy and i'm sure he is just as nice now. but bruce jenner did something in sports that was tremendous. 30 years ago. what has he done in sports since? all these other people are active. robin roberts, an all american athlete who was at espn. >> and online, people were suggesting somebody like lauren hill who battled brain tumor during her freshman year. the basketball team before dying. an army veteran missing an arm and a leg and so on.

>> but what happens? you who don't really watch espn you might tune in. because we're talking about it. does espn really need to do this to get ratings? they're very popular. everyone goes to them any way. do they really need caitlyn jenner to get a trophy? >> here's the last problem. if you wach want to address. don't say you did the right thing. once again, you guys are sexist pigs for saying you guys. >> this is unbelievable. and just i addressed it before. it was five men and one woman. i said what are you guys doing? that is wrong. it is a gender neutral term and we should be gender specifying. >> creeping sexism. that's like i don't know. it feels a little naughty. like where is it going? >> you should be more prideful if you use that term. >> by using the term guys

you're not embracing your femininity. i believe you he will brace your feminism regularly. i'm saying this is another example. it is all brought on by this company. they say i have an idea. i hate the term guys. and voluntarily any time you use the word guys i want to you put a dollar into a jar. almost reprimanding yourself. mtm tech is run by a french guy, and a guy from canada who decided they wanted to be better. >> i'm going to say to my staff which is mostly female. every time you say you guys i'll pay you a dollar. i'm going to counter balance this. it is such nonsense. as a woman i can say. this you guys you guys you guys come on! who decides what is offensive? is there some female group that gets together is has a bunch of cosmos and says i'm sick of that term. that one is banned. >> alex walker is the poet activist who believes we should get rid of it.

you are fearful of being feminine. why don't you just admit it that you are away from being feminine. >> okay. you got it. backing off. see you. >> bye. >> what do you think? to go facebook.com/the kelly file. we'll be right back. huh, fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. everybody knows that. well, did you know genies can be really literal? no.

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coming up, we have a government that wants to decide how you live.

we have companies that want to decide how you speak. and we've got prisoners that want to decide how to manipulate you. thank goodness you have the kelly file to give you a heads up on all of it. we hope you decide to be with us tomorrow night at 9:00. see you then. tonight -- >> i was front page news. i can't think of a single person who would be bothered by this. >> "the new york times" is blasted by liberals for their hit piece by senator rubio. robin is here to weigh in on the liberal hypocrisy. >> this is not trayvon martin or anything like that. >> meet that mckinney resident who is receiving death threats. >> this is an out of control pool party. >> i'm not going to comment on