i am bill o'reilly. please remember we are definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight live pictures in upstate new york where we are awaiting the arraignment of joyce mitchell. she is the prison worker who police say helped the two convicted killers to escape from the maximum security prison. as we have been reporting >> there is a manhunt under way continuing for weeks now. they broke out of a prison by cutting out of their walls, through a steam pipe and through a man hole to what they thought would be an awaiting car. joyce mitchell was charged with two felonies and it could mean

up to two years in prison. also breaking tonight, what is being billed as the real life of hillary clinton's presidential campaign the question is when will the president address the scandals the questions that have been hounding her campaign since she started two months ago. president addre ss scandals. so you can call it whatever you like relaunch do over mulligans some might say. what will mrs. clinton reveal at her first big campaign style rally tomorrow? she has been on the trail for 60 days. not one single sit down interview yet with a reporter. the questions still have zero answers. the secret e-mail server the questionable donations to the clinton foundation. big money payout from bill

clinton. tomorrow we are told we won't get any of them either. joining us tonight fox news digital politics editor. how the media is likely to cover it because they haven't been talked to. first we begin with chief white house correspondent ed henry who just filed this report. >> reporter: this is really hillary clinton's third reintroduction to the american people. last year she tried to connect with the middle class by claiming when the clintons left the white house they were dead broke. that fell flat given big speaking events. the april launch of the skooby doo van. tomorrow is hillary 3.0. advisers say one goal is to answer questions she never got to in failed run. what is the rationale for running. here is the teaser video. >> every day americans and families need a champion a champion who will fight for them

every single day. i want to be that champion. i want to get up every single day going to work for you, standing up for you. i think by now people know i don't quit. >> clinton still has a dominant position in democratic primaries and beats more republicans in hypothetical head to head matchups but has at least two big challenges. today the president's trade push went down in flames without her taking a firm position. she did not fight because of political pressure from the left. then look at the poll from american cross roads asking is hillary clinton honest and trustworthy, 43% agree. 54% disagree. is the clinton foundation taking its toll on her. we will be watching to see how big or small is the role of former president bill clinton at her first major public rally. he was in damage control saying he may not take big money

speeches if she is elected. >> thanks for that. joining us fox news digital politics editor. she wants to work every day and be a champion for the american people. how is that message going to go this time? >> all i can say were all reporters like ed henry and talked about the context instead of this is not just the first time hillary clinton talked about her mom. she used her now late mother in her 2008 campaign in iowa. she deployed the same message which is my mother suffered. i have suffered. i have endured. i will continue to endure. but in this case what she is suffering from are scandals of her and her husband's own making. it was her decision to use that server. it was her husband's decision to take those moneys. it was her decision to have

sydney blumenthal on retainer doing business in libya and feeding her information in the back channel. all of this stuff she did to herself. i think it is hard to make -- >> interesting comparison because we remember in new hampshire the tears, the moment when things weren't looking so great. she had this surprise guy come out of nowhere and really put a huge threat to her. now she is doing it for the last time essentially. she is back in it. my question is if she can't do that connection if she can't convince people this is what i have worked for for my whole life i'm here for you, i am your champion as she said in the first rollout and will say when she goes this weekend -- can she win? can she beat the republicans if she doesn't have that connection? if she can't successfully pull that off? >> the republicans certainly are capable of screwing this up from pen to post. there is no question about that.

what she ultimately will have to do to win she is not going to gain the trust of the american electorate. she has too much baggage and reminded everybody of what a disaster all of that stuff can be. >> a lot of people like her. she is still doing far better in numbers than any of the republican candidates. >> that's not so. she is not doing far better. she is in a tie with walker rubio, bush. >> depends on what you look at. >> the point is she can certainly win but she is not going to win on trust. what she is going to win on is confidence that she can get the job done that maybe she is not your dream date but going to get the job done and get you there. >> thank you very much. >> you bet. what can we expect from the media's coverage? how about the media? they have gotten testy about the fact that hillary hasn't spoken personally to them. now the relaunch comes. how are you doing?

this is the question. remember the chipotle thing and the big glasses and the guarded moments and the press running across the lawn? >> seems like all yesterday. >> she basically admits it. is she going to change the relationship? >> she is going to change the story line. i predict the press is going to lap up this new warmer mother loving hillary. it is a new plot twist. we are seduced by personality over policy. the new post challenges tom petty she won't back down. can you imagine ted cruz getting that headline? >> the interviews have not happened. she is going to pace this thing. she doesn't need to sit down and do the big interview right now. she is hoping the farther she gets away from the stories about the server and foundation and the more crowded the conversation gets with other

things that it will tap down. >> i would argue she paid a price not because she hurt the feelings of journalists. unlike jeb bush taking questions regularly and each particular encounter is not high stakes drama, but having scripted events for two months she has left a newsless vacuum that has been filled by aggressive stories and mainstream reporting about e-mails and clinton foundation and high speaking fees and stiffing the press. so i don't think she can play this strategy out forever. the longer she does it the more pent up questions will be raised. >> there are other ways to get to people. we have social media. we have twitter. we have facebook. there are other ways. we don't theed to go through the press. i think they do it as little as they possibly can. >> all campaigns try to control access in that sense. she has a million ways.

i think american voters want to see their presidential candidate taking the questions, showing they can do it and stand up to aggressive anchors. that is how the game is played. i think that it's not going to be another six months before we see an interview. >> how much bill are we going to see? >> i think we are not going to see that much bill this year. every time he gives an interview he says something slightly different than she said and they have to clean it up. he is bill clinton. he is not going to stay completely off the radar. >> i think they are going to speak according to what we are learning so far but they will be there, the family foundation all together. thank you very much. >> we'll see how it goes. breaking news in the search for two extremely dangerous killers who escaped from a prison now a week ago. we are waiting for an arraignment. big news tonight in one of the key players in this case and we will bring you that live. fighting isis on the chief?

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tonight, both of the men are still out there. there have been no reported sightings. matthew fog is a former chief u.s. deputy marshal. good to have you with us. a lot of speculation about where

these guys might have gone whether or not they're together at this point officials believe they are. what do you think? >> i believe they may be together, only for the fact we don't have anything that says they're not together. so bottom line is that is the last information we have. i've tracked down hundreds of fugitives normally, these folks come out of prison one thing they want to do is get away from each other because they know they're more of a target if they're together. in this case knowing that possibly the get away car didn't arrive, therefore they were on foot but i still believe they have a spot where they knew they wanted to go. it's probably else helping them. where they've got supplies and hunkered down and just waiting for the authorities to clear out. >> that is what i was going to ask you. seven days they thought they're going to be greeted with an arriving car

from joyce mitchell. and you can just imagine the moment they're locking around and she's not there and not there and not there. and they head off into the woods this, is a densely-wooded area. it's about three miles from the prison is the area they've zeroed in on. if they're out there, they need food, water, they're going to start arguing things aren't going as planned. what is the dynamic? >> one of the guys has been at state before. these guys are savvy and have had an elaborate escape i don't believe they didn't have several contingency plans. i believe that as a matter of fact, to be honest, i'm not sure if they really -- there is a chance they may have just told her we want to you meet us but knowing all along they had another way out. so there are several thing

that's could have happened here when talking about the fact they -- there is no real positive solid sighting from these guys they've had dogs pick up a scent but we don't know where they are. >> that is true. they talked about seeing footprints at the gas station. >> right. >> they think it could be attributed to them. i want to get your thoughts on arraignment tonight. it's going to happen shortly of joyce mitchell. this woman that worked in the tailor's room apparently bee friended one of the guys probably richard matt, it sounds like. how many others would have had to be involved? how surprising is that they were able to work her into their good graces? >> they were in the honor section. these are people that supposedly being trusted by the system. then, on top of that, it's not, i've seen that before.

you know? working in, taking people to prisons and working with the correctional institutions there are many situations where correctional office owers and guards have gotten involved with inmates so yes. that could have happened. but when you talk about someone bringing materials to escape, that is pretty heavy there, and pretty deep. if that is what she did authorities have indicated, seems like to me that is very troublesome, there. >> what about canada? it's not that far from the border. is it likely they went that way? >> that is where i would have gone. i would know that authorities are not going to put the resources into looking for these guys the same way they would in the united states. canadian authorities are very helpful. we have a great relationship with those folks but when you start talking about concentrated efforts we've got going on here, they won't have resources that -- i don't think they'd be doing that in canada.

these folks know that. they understand that. >> thank you, matthew. also the president taking some serious heat for sending just a few hundred advisors to beef up the fight against isis. plus, controversy surrounding sea world and treatment of killer whales tonight, john stossel takes a look at his new special getting quite a bit of attention. >> sea world separates whales from their mothers >> we haven't done that in 35 years. we have no plans to do it again. the film implies we're doing it yesterday.

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creep as we saw in vietnam. rich lowery is a fox news contributor. welcome, gentlemen. bases in different places across the area and has a lot of people saying this is the way vietnam started. >> the incremental approach without a strategy doesn't improve the strategy. when you talk about lilly pads that is a legitimate technique. what kind of signal does that send to folks we are attempting to help. come to our lilly pad and then fight isis? we don't have the will to see this through. the incremental approach doesn't reinforce for enemies or allies that we areo defeat or degrade isis. if this is an attempt at a surge this is a poor man surge. 450 additional troops to train. 50 are going to train. most are logistical support.

this is just covering a failed strategy. >> and the surge which worked was about 150,000 american soldiers on the ground fighting along side iraqi troops and incorporating sunni tribes. that was really the key where there has been no effort to get the sunni tribes to join the effort because we have a tricky relationship with iran and you don't want to tick them off. >> and to the extent we seem to be friendly towards iran is going to alien ate every potential sunni ally in the region. the reason why the tribes aligned with us last time is they knew we were there and knew we were serious and meant business and we are going to win. now given the events that we pulled out and we have a very in insufficient commitment now why would they trust us now?

>> why should our own soldiers and marines trust this effort? i saw last night on this program a veteran who said that even in recent years he had a hard time explaining to his family what he was doing, what the mission was that he was carrying out. that becomes another problem and raises that very important question. don't send one person not one person if you are not there to win and win completely because people are going to die in this mission. and they don't have a good leadership. >> that's all that trigger puller wants to know on the ground that somebody has their back and that they have a clear mission given every tool necessary to succeed at. we not letting them leave the base. how are we going to follow to the gates of hell if we don't follow from the base? we are training a force that is

a shell of what it used to be. >> you make a good point about nobody being -- who is in charge? if you ask any american who is running this thing? >> you need a strategy and you need someone to run it and need the resources. someone was reminding me key moment in the debate over the surge, a general was advocating something short of what would have been the full surge and the key question someone asked in that room was will it be decisive? and the answer was no so they went bigger. clearly the obama administration is not thinking in those terms at all. >> thank you. very serious conversation that needs to be had at the highest levels about how this will be fought and won if one person is going to be put out there to carry that flag. thank you very much. good to have you both here. back to breaking news that we are waiting for this evening and the search for two extremely dangerous killers. the arraignment is about to happen for one of the key players in this case, an arrest

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hunt is underway ranging from new york all the way to the vermont border. what about canada just north of the area? when the arraignment does begin we will take you there live. also developing tonight the controversy surrounding the leader of the naacp chapter in spokane, washington. very odd story that has emerged. she is accused of lying about her race. trace gallagher with that story. >> she has been called out as a fraud. instead of apologizing she is doubling down telling a spokane tv station that she does consider herself black and the rest of us don't understand the definition of race and ethnicity. she says she is black and white. her birth parents say she is german and czech and they have pictures and birth certificate.

the parents say she does have adopted siblings who are black and attended a mostly black school in mississippi but that is as far as it goes. >> she knows it is false. i think she has told herself as well as she has told others this erroneous identity of hers enough that by now she may believe it more than she believes the truth. >> she says she no longer considers them her parents. she posted pictures on social media describing this older african-american man as her father. watch what happened when a local reporter confronted her about her so-called dad. >> is he african-american? >> i don't understand the question. i did tell you yes that is my dad. he was unable to come in january. >> are your parents white?

>> it's not just her ethnicity being challenged. she says she was raised in a tepee and hunted for food with a bow and arrow. her parents say she went to howard university on a full ride scholarship because she said she was black. she teaches a class called the black woman's struggle but the naacp says she has been a good president and key social justice advocate. here she is with baltimore state's attorney the naacp says one's racial identity is not a qualifying criteria or disqualifying standard for naacp leadership. the naacp stands behind her

advocacy record and for now it appears she will remain the president. >> thank you. this is an unusual story on many levels. joining me now to talk about this richard fowler chris harris executive director of unhyphenated america and a criminal defense attorney and former member of the naacp. welcome. very good to have all of you with us tonight. chris, i want to start with you. what do you make of this? >> when i first heard the story i kind of smiled because i found myself thinking the number one question is is she black? of course i found myself thinking it depends upon what the meaning of the word is. at this point what difference does it make? >> sounds oddly familiar. >> we are in a world where however someone feels is what

matters. bruce jenner is a woman. so why can't she be black. >> he feels more like a woman than a man. this woman feels more black than white even though her parents according to the nice people we saw earlier her parents say they are her parents and they say she is of czech and german dissent. the whole thing is weird. scott, what do you think is going on here? >> let me say this. when you said bruce jenner i think about trans racial and then who knows where that is going to go viral one way or another or not. her good works, her desire to be black or help communities of color is fine. my problem is the deception. when you claim a race a culture, a history that is not yours that is one of the greatest deceptions you can have. you couple that with claiming a scholarship, black father and

black son, claiming a job in public position because she is black and filled out forms saying she is black can almost be illegal. this is not about her race or what she chooses to be because we know white abolitionists over the course of history have always had biracial support for black causes and civil rights causes. the thing is that she didn't have to do this. she can be white and do all of these great things. >> with siblings who were adopted who were black and very close to them. i understand the cause that we are fighting for here and i'm very qualified to lead the organization. that is not what she said and checked off on the boxes. >> it is unnecessary. >> race is a central question here. does this mean -- at this point you bring up katlyn jenner and bruce jenner and this woman who says she feels more black than white. why don't we dump all boxes that

we check off in life? why don't we skip it? because we are all americans. why do we need to have an naacp and different organizations that represent different groups if we are all going to bow what we feel? >> here is the thing. thanks for having me. i think the naacp serves a valuable cause to promote social justice and liberty under the law for every american whether black, white, red, yellow and purple. her work whether separate and apart -- >> why not call it the organization for the advancement of people? >> her work except for the fact that she happens to be caucasian or black her work will speak for itself. the distinction between what we see here and the jenner case in the jenner case the dsm 5 says transgenderism is something you can according to all medical

professionals out there. this idea of waking up and saying i'm black is completely and totally separate and apart from that. >> do you agree? >> i have to disagree. at the end of the day i was being sarcastic in the beginning. we are in lalaland with all of this. on top of that one of the problems i have with her that she was trying to take advantage of a special protected class. it was deception outright which if you know the history in the naacp of the approximately 13 people regarded as founders ten of them are white and the first national president was white. the only person who is a member of the executive committee officers was dubois in the beginning. it is an organization of socialist minded people not fighting for equality under the law. they are fighting for special

privileges. >> wait one second. if you are talking about the statement of brown versus board of education or voting rights act and socialism then i take socialism for 500. i think we are talking about an organization that has always stood up for the rights of people to vote rights of people to live in communities. >> they are not fighting for the rights of parents to put whatever school they want to put their kids in. >> maybe we should have a psychologist on. it is odd when you work for this organization. she didn't need to say she was anything other than the heritage that she is and could have argued she was qualified to lead this organization but that is not what she did. the fact that her parents are the people who outed her. do you think there are charges that could be filed here? >> well absolutely. at the local level and federal level depending on how she filled out these applications whether at howard university or

for the public police commission she had to fill it out because these public documents if you want a racially and gender balanced commission for example, that's important. that scholarship money is federal money that came through howard. that was years ago so it is probably a moot issue right now. the reality is they are investigating her locally to see whether she lied on a federal application. we all know that anytime you submit a document to the federal government at the end of every application is that you are making a sworn statement that you are telling the truth. the fact of the matter is if she checked black or checked black and some other ethnic background then she lied to the local as well as federal government. the reality is the deception about this story is the problem for her, not her great work or commitment to communities of color. >> i go back to the main point which is maybe we don't need boxes anymore.

>> ban the box. >> what about senator warren checking the box? >> at this point in american history we all have a lot of things to check lots of boxes. maybe we should bag them all together. great conversation. we have to leave it there. thank you so much for being here tonight. being called the most radical change that president obama has ever attempted. the fight could now be heading to your neighborhood. why our next guest says he believes this is unrealistic youtopian idea. plus controversy surrounding sea world and treatment of killer whales. an exclusive look at the new special getting a lot of attention. we'll talk to him. >> the movie black fish says whales kept in marine parks are miserable. how would they know? as the movie points out we can't ask the whales what they think. ♪ ♪ just because your bladder is changing doesn't mean you have to. with tena's unique super-absorbent micro-beads

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have. and these decisions are made at the local level. >> it becomes a big issue as well. congressman, thank you very much. good to have you here tonight. >> thank you. >> and we're waiting for arraignment of a key player from helping two prisoners escape from a maximum security prison. and next john stossel on the killer whale controversy in sea world. >> sea world's head trainer says black fish is completely deceitful. >> things they described just didn't happen. ♪ (piano music) ♪ fresher dentures, for the best first impression. love loud, live loud polident. ♪ ♪

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but how would they know? as the movie points out we can't ask the whales what they think. we don't speak whale. i don't speak whale. we don't speak tiger. we don't speak monkey. >> i know i don't speak whale. but i know the whales are doing well because i interact with them each and every day. >> how do you know? maybe they're miserable. >> they breed, swim, they play. they anticipate seeing us. they enjoy interacting with us. >> well there you have it.

that was john stossel taking the accusations about seaworld to seaworld. in part of his special "green tyranny." it airs sunday night on fnc. seaworld's cruelty to whales isn't the only talking point he tackles recycling, the pipeline. john, good to see you. you worry about we're not a nimby society. we're now a banana society, which i found fascinating. what is a nimby society? >> nimby is my back yard. build anything anywhere near anybody. >> banana. build absolutely nothing anywhere near anybody. >> seaworld has gotten a lot of heat with the special that was aired. my daughters and i watched it. oh, my gosh they're ruining these whales' lives. are they? >> i don't think so. i saw the -- >> you don't know because you don't speak whale. >> i know if my dog is happy, i don't speak dog. the movie is horrifying.

you hear -- they take the baby whales from the mother and the mother stays by shore. and she cries this mournful cry. the dorsal fin is collapsed. and that shows how unhappy they are and they're frustrated and attack people and they attack each other. >> they killed a trainer at seaworld. >> they killed a trainer. and they die young. but while the trainer was killed, the rest of it, is just not true. they don't die young. we consulted whale experts. they live about the same amount of time in captivity. >> are they taken away from their mothers? >> 35 years ago, yes, seaworld did that. i asked about that. i think she answers it here. >> seaworld separates whales from their mothers? >> we haven't done that in 35 years. we have no plans to do it again. the film implies we're doing it yesterday. >> kelly flaherty clark is seaworld's head trainer. she said "blackfish" is completely deceitful. >> the things they described just didn't happen.

>> seaworld's head veterinarian said this is the life the whales know. >> 80% of whales were born here. the key difference between what our whales experience over their lives and what killer whales in the wild experience is the fact that there are people there. our trainers are there working with them every day. >> so you can make an argument that animals shouldn't be imprisoned in zoos or marine animal parks like this. the movie is deceitful. it collapsed dorsal fin. that happens in the wild, too. they play this mournful cry of the poor sad mother whale. it wasn't that whale. they faked that scene. so i'm suspicious of so much in "blackfish" and cnn ran it a thousand times and bragged about how -- >> it got a lot of attention. but they didn't speak to the people at seaworld in "blackfish," right? >> they tried. "blackfish" tried and seaworld turned them down. seaworld turn down cnn.

but they'd did talk to us. i think they're waking up now that they better speak to the media. >> did you talk to any of the killer whales? were they shaking their head no or fine john stossel? >> i think they were taught to do that. >> do they look happy? >> how do i know? i'm not going to judge by that. >> dr. doolittle. >> thank you very much. "green tyranny." right here on fox news channel. thank you. it looks great. we'll go back to the breaking news. the arraignment of a key player. in the coming up. we all feel the calling to build something great.

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i like to bake. with at&t get up to $400 dollars in total savings on tools to manage your business. thanks thanks for being here tonight. go to facebook, and tell us what we think. megyn is back on monday. i'm martha maccallum. i will see you monday. on "america's newsroom" at 9:00. "hannity" is coming up live with that. good night, everybody. this is a fox news alert. i'm patricia stark. the prison worker believed to have helped two convicted killers escape from prison in upstate new york appearing in court for the first time friday night. 51-year-old joyce mitchell

pleaded not guilty to charges of first degree promoting prison contraband and fourth degree criminal facilitation. mitchell who is currently suspended with pay, is accused of befriending the escapees david sweat and richard matt at in dannemora and giving them contraband. one of the charges carries a sentence of up to seven years. but it's not believed she gave them the power tools to break out. more than 800 state and federal and local law enforcement officers are now searching for the convicted killers who have been on the run since last saturday. i'm patricia stark. and now back to "on the record." for all your headlines, log on to foxnews.com. hello, america juan williams eric bowling and katie payoff lick. this is a little thing we call the five.