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please always remember the spin stops right here because we are definitely looking out for you. breaking nows tonight on two stories. dallas police department headquarters attacked by a gunman armed with an automatic weapon and shotgun. the suspect shot by a police sniper. we'll take you there live for the latest. this, as the frantic manhunt continues for two convicted murderers who escaped from a maximum security prison in upstate new york. hello and welcome to "justice." i'm judge jeanine. thanks for being with us. tonight, we have fox news team coverage from the scenes in both texas and new york. and in moments, a fox nooews
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exclusive with the district attorney central in the prison break. peter doocy is live outside the prison. peter? >> reporter: several dozen corrections officers who spent a long day searching for these two murderers returned a few minutes left. we asked them if it was frustrating not finding anything yet and he shrugged and said, pretty much. it has been one week with zero sightings of the two confirmed. and the search area does not seem to be us to be expanding, instead circling back to areas they've been before, both in the woods and in front of the prison. so far the only person taken in, joyce mitchell, now faces seven years forgiving allegedly two inmates a hacksaw, chisel and skew driver looks to be in a s shock as she pled not guilty in
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a courtroom. people in this neighborhood seem to be in a state of shock, too. even former corrections officers that worked inside for years have come by to see for themselves the place that two people manage e ed to tunnel ou. they do expect any trunk could have one of these inmates pop out. >> peter, how wide is the perimeter right now? where are the police stationed? >> reporter: our hotel is a few miles away and you don't really notice any increased police presence. as you get closer to a five-mile radius around the prison, where there are several checkpoints where the police stop you and ask to see what's in the trunk and several where intersections are manned by officers who are
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peeking into the car to see who is inside. then they wave you pass. the most significant search area is concentrated in the area around the prison. but all throughout new york there are bill boards going up, in addition to a huge push on social media, asking for information about these men. there are pictures, there is a phone number. so while the manpower is all here near the prison, obviously the search is expanding. >> peter, thanks so much. as the search continues, let's take a look back at the timeline of what happened in that prison break. take a look. it's been over a week since convicted murderers david sweat and richard matt escaped from the upstate new york maximum security correctional facility. the prisoners, last seen friday, june 5th, at 10:30 p.m.
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saturday, 5:30 a.m., no sign of them. vanished from their cells. their beds stuffed with dummies made using their own hair. 9:24 a.m., new york state police issue an alert. sunday, 3:15, a $100,000 reward is offered for their capture. but this was no ordinary prison break. playing out like the classic hollywood movie, "shawshank redemption." >> 500 yards. that's the length of five football fields. just shy of half a mile. >> the killers used power tools to drill through steel walls in their adjoining cells. making their way to a cat walk and down a tunnel. finally cutting their way to freedom through a steam pipe and then a locked manhole cover.
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the brazen convicts even leave behind this mocking note on that steam pipe saying, have a nice day. since their escape, sweat and matt have eluded authorities and they remain on the run. the search has expanded to nearby states. local residents forced to live in fear. >> i haven't really left my house or slept very much at all. >> police continue the search to locate these dangerous convicts, warning civilians to be on alert for 34-year-old sweat, convicted in the 2002 killing of a sheriff's deputy, serving life without parole. and 48-year-old matt, serving 25 years to life for kidnapping, killing, and dismembers a former boss. >> these are very dangerous individuals. the state police ask the public, make no efforts to apprehend
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them and report any suspicious activities. >> with me now, a fox news exclusive andrew wylie, the clinton county district attorney at the center of this case. good evening, district attorney. >> good evening, judge, how are you? >> i'm fine, thank you. now, d.a. wylie, the charges brought against joyce mitchell, the prison employee accused of helping the escapees. we have promoting prison contraband, as well as facilitating an escape. but these seem to be low level crimes. why are they so low? >> they're low because of the offense of escape in the first degree is only a b felony in new york state. for two individuals, as you've indicated earlier who have been convicted of murder and are serving life sentences. and so that is what the penal law is in new york state. it's a topic of conversation in the future, in the near future
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for the governor and our senate and assembly people in albany. >> i couldn't agree more. i can't imagine there isn't going to be a review of the statute, especially as they relate to escapes by prisoners at this level. but i understand that mitchell provided some of the tools but not the power tools. do we know where these two guys got the power tools from? >> well, it's my understanding, judge, that the power tools were tools that were in this facility, down in the tunnels of the facility, where contractors, civilian contractors had come in and the policy within the facility that they can leave certain tools in their toolboxes, locked up in an appropriate manner according to correction policies. and so the inmates, after escaping from their tools, getting down into the tunnel area, were able to, we believe,
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locate a toolbox, get it open and then use those tools that were within the toolbox. >> now, the facility we're talking about is a maximum security facility in new york city. it's one of the toughest prisons in the country, i understand, in terms of the in345i9s who are there. there's never been an escape from there, is that correct? >> that is correct. there's never been an inescape from inside the calls until last week. >> that's in over 100 years? >> yes, over 100 years. >> let's talk about the relationship between joyce mitchell and these two guys. my understanding is that they all worked together in the same area, and i'm not even going to get into the personal relationship people are talking about, other than to ask you, i mean, is this -- is there that particular area on camera? is there video taking place? are these prisoners being filmed
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without the day? >> it's my understanding that they're not. there is video within the facility in certain locations. but these two inmates have -- they have their jobs that they're assigned to. and the tailor shop that we're standing in front of, there are several tailor shops there. so back in october of 2013 through 2014, both sweat and matt were working in tailor shop one, where joyce mitchell was the civilian supervisor. >> i understand that her husband was working in that area, as well. >> he has been working in that area, judge. he was maintenance individual, civilian maintenance worker in that location. >> has joyce indicated whether or not her husband knew about this plan that she was clearly
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involved in? >> the statements that we have from joyce mitchell over the last few days would indicate that he had no knowledge or very little knowledge, if any at all regarding this plan. >> but the investigation continues. is it possible more will be arrested? >> it's very possible. we're not leaving any stone unturned. we continue to speak with the inmates. we continue to speak with civilian employees and all the correction officers that have been in contact with these two very dangerous inmates over the past few months and years here at clinton correctional. >> i want to ask you about the honors program. you're a d.a. i was a d.a. for many years. most of new york state. how do you get into an honors program when you have dismembered a human being after killing him when you're a lifer without the possibility of parole, when the other guy has
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killed a police officer or sheriff, run over him, and then shot him in the face? how do these guys get into an honors program, and does this thing need to be researched? >> well, it's a great question, and it's a question being asked right now. my understanding in speaking with a few of the officials at clinton correctional facility, as recently as this afternoon, is that an inmate has to be in the facility for a period of time, up to nine months in the facility i believe is the time frame that i was provided. and then they have to go through a period of time, judge, of not being written up. not being confined to their cell for more than seven-day period. as long as they continue to have good behavior while they're in the facility, they can make a
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request to be in one of these honor blocks, like a-block is where the two inmates were. >> let me just say, d.a., that like you, i made an inquiry, and my producer was on the phone, the response from the department of corrections, the public informations officer was, an inmate that's been in custody and exhibited satisfactory behavior is eligible for honors. when we called back for the statement in writing, they somewhat changed it. and the second statement said, due to the ongoing investigation, the 2kedepartmens not releasing information about honor housing. let me tell you what i think. i think that if anyone is lifer, without the possibility of parole or has shown himself to be an 1rindividual two has escad and is a violent killer, not
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just a career killer, they should have chips put in them or a gps. the whole idea of an honors program is ridiculous, but we should be able to track them at any point. agree or disagree? >> i don't disagree with you. i agree with you on some form of a system where we need to avoid this situation from happening ever again. we're spending over $1 million a day in this search for these two individuals. and yes, i think there has to be some prohibition to safeguard against this. i mentioned yesterday at the briefing that we had. the one thing they did tell me about is that with the inmates in the facility, whether it was the inmates in a-block that -- to some extent, it's a sense of calm, of maintaining a calm within the prison to allow them to have this honor system,
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allowing them to live here day by day. but like you said, judge, they're convicted felons. they committed murder, and there's number of the inmates inside the facility that have prior murder convictions that are on this honor systems program. >> thanks so much. >> thank you, judge. with me now, michael aleg, a former inmate at the same clinton correctional facility, released last year after serving 17 years for killing his friend. all right. quickly, why did you kill this man? >> i was foolish. we were all high on drugs and we were in a fight. nobody meant to kill anyone. it was an accident. >> but you went to prison for 17 years. >> yes. >> tell me about this place. >>'9" is a tough place to get out of. like you said, nobody has done it since it was built. so i was surprised somebody had. but i wasn't surprised that they were able to do it. once you have the tools and
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things like that, the power drills, it's very difficult to get. >> when you were there, did you see power tools? >> no, not that were available for us to have. i'm sure if they were building something, like the tech crew or something like that, but they wouldn't have been inmates. they would have been contractors coming in. >> did you ever get into the honor honors? >> yes. >> and you were convicted of? >> manslaughter. >> did you ever miss joyce mitchell? >> i didn't. there's a lot of turn around in these places. the honors program, it's as much for the officers as the inmates. the officers want to create an environment that is safe for them. they want to be able to walk around and not feel that somebody is going to -- >> but the benefit to being in this honors program is you get to wear civilian clothes. so when you pop out of a manhole nobody thinks anything of it.
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>> you can wear civilian clothes on the outside of the program, too. just certain colors. >> are you surprised about the rumors of a relationship between joyce and these guys? >> i wish i was. but i've seen it happen time and time and time again. it's always in the tailor shop or someplace where the civilian and the inmates have privacy. there's no cameras -- >> what do you mean, they have privacy with the inmates and the prison employees. >> yes, they're in a room where nobody can see them. >> are you surprised that these guys broke out? >> yes. virtually impossible. obviously it's not impossible but it's very difficult to get out of that place. >> all right. did you know these guys? >> no, no. they're pretty nondescript. i couldn't even tell you what
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they looked like after seeing their picture. >> would you -- for the guys in prison right now, i understand that they haven't been able to go outside. >> it's got to be tough for them. >> what's cooking inside the facility? >> they caught so much trouble for them. for the next six months at least, the place is going to be under scrutiny and they're going to follow every rule. they do this for a while, it goes in cycles, then they become complacent and something else happens. but it's kind of impossible to stay in a state of vigilance. it's like after the terrorist attacks. you can't afford it. >> michael aleg, do you think they'll find them, quickly? >> your guess is as good as mine. i don't know. i think you get 50% after every day the chances of minding them. at this point it's got to be down to 3%. >> michael, thanks for being with us.
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the search continues for two
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murderers escaped from a maximum security new york prison. 800 officers taking part in the search today for richard matt and david sweat. this as prison employee joyce mitchell is behind bars on accomplice charges. with me now, retired u.s. marshal lenny depaul. it's been over a week. what are these guys doing? what are they eating? how are they living? >> it's an intense manhunt, as we speak. these guys, from what i understand, they're eight days into it, they're miserable. it's been raining. we're hoping they're contained within this perimeter that's set up and we put this to bed sooner than later. >> you know what doesn't make sense to me? you got these two guys. joyce mitchell, prison employee who was supposed to pick them up, bails out on them. did they make alternate plans thinking maybe she's a flake and she won't follow through?
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>> you've got the manhunt that's ongoing and you have the fugitive investigation. they're thinking outside the box. they've got leads going out to several states within the country. the investigation has to be ongoing. it's very possible they got a plan b, maybe somebody else picked them up. i'm hoping i'm wrong and they're contained in that perimeter. >> the wrappers they found are consistent with food in the prison? >> maybe the dogs had a bad day. again, i'm hoping i'm wrong. >> you think the dogs had a bad day, the prison warden had a bad day. >> anything's possible. but i want the public to realize that. just because they have this perimeter ongoing -- >> but the perimeter is only five miles. >> it will keep shifting. >> i'm sure, but i'm scared. is it just a question of time
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before they take hostages this >> that's the other thing that scares me. there's been no robberies, no carjackings. it's too quiet and scary quiet. these guys have no skill sets as survivors in the woods. they're searching over 500 summer homes that apparently haven't been opened up yet. tactical units are doing their thing. >> so we have the summer homes. and i know the northern border up there. it is porous. we talk about the southern border porous. there's a northern border that's open and then there are the tribal areas where you've got the lakes and the rivers and the indians of the tribal areas. so they could have gone north. >> they could have, but i don't see that happening. if ms. mitchell is cooperating 100%, she doesn't pick them up. is there a plan b? maybe she was never supposed to pick then up. a lot of what ifs going on. >> if they were playing her -- >> sure.
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she probably didn't even know she was being played and they did have somebody else involved and somebody else picked them up. they crawl out of a manhole and leave a note, have a nice date? if mitchell doesn't show up, they're not going to leave that. there's a manhunt and a fugitive investigation. >> how is this going to end? what is their mindset? >> law enforcement has their hands full. they had an elaborate plan to get out of there, suicide by cop, i have no idea. but they're going to take enough precautions if they corner them. there's a lot of unanswered questions. >> if they're together, they split up. >> they need each other, they've been together since 2008. so they lived side by side. they were in the yard together, they ate together. so if in fact they're in the woods, contained in this perimeter, they're feeding off of each other. law enforcement gets close, they'll zig when they should have zagged.
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>> do you think they have weapons? >> i hope not. no one is saying anything. there's no hostages. there's no break-ins or robberies going on. the community is quiet, which is scary to me. eight days into this, i hope they're not long gone. >> what's scare yes to me is it took five days before they got a scent that was within a mile of the prison. >> i understand that. but there's a whole lot of leads coming in to the task force. they shifted that perimeter 30 miles away when the two guys were sighted going into the woods. >> they're keeping us hopping, these dirtbags. >> yes, they are. yes, they are. i'm hoping it goes down without incident. >> lenny depaul, thanks for being with us today. coming up, the latest attack on law enforcement. automatic weapons fired outside
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live from america's news head quarters, i'm jackie ibanez. hillary clinton kicking her campaign up a notch today. the former secretary of state holding her first major campaign rally on roosevelt island. clinton laying out a wish list of priorities, including national paid sick leave and a path to citizenship. clinton also appealing to those struggling years after the great recession. former congresswoman gabrielle giffords getting a u.s. naval ship named after her. the ship was built in alabama and will operate in shallow waters off the coast. giffords, you may recall, was shot in the head in an attack in 2011 that left six others dead.
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i'm jackie ibanez. now back to "justice with judge jeanine." breaking news tonight. dallas police headquarters attacked, leaving one suspect dead. police say the armed man came with automatic weapons and a clear intent to do some major damage. casey steegle is leave with the latest. case? >> reporter: good evening. the witnesses that we've talked to today say it was almost like watching an action movie playing out in real life and the dallas police chief said that his officers barely survived this gunman's attempts. and that they literally had to dodge bullets. listen. [ gun pyre ] [ gunfire ] investigators say the man pulled up to police headquarters and
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opened fire with an automatic weapon. police tell us he left explosive devices in a parking lot containing nails and screws to do the most damage. two pipe bombs detonated safely by the bomb squad and look at the bullet holes in front of the police station, glass shattered up to the 7th floor. the suspect then led officer on a chase south of dallas. and that is where a standoff ensued in a fast food parking lot. officers fired shots into the suspect's fan to disable it. and then shot and killed the man in process, the man who is not being identified tonight. investigators tell us the gunman made a call to 911 going on a rant for nearly five minutes how police were responsible for him losing custody of his son. everything coming to an end this
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afternoon. once a bomb squad robot detected two more robots inside the armored vehicle. so atf teams detonated them and it sparked a fire. the vehicle burned down to a mere shell, and i've got to say when you walk around here, the road is now open, but when you walked around here earlier and you saw the shell casings and the fbi agents out here processing this elaborate crime scene, judge, it is amazing that no one else, officers or innocent bystanders, were hurt in this whole ordeal. >> all right, casey, thanks. with me now is sheriff david charge from milwaukee county. thanks for being with us. what is your take on this? >> crazy. it's almost surreal what happened in dallas. it's only by the grace of god that some citizen or police officer weren't killed. these assaults are coming from three sources. one is the cop ahating
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anarchists. the criminal element, we saw it in new york. two officers shot in st. louis. we saw the garland, texas isis type situation. that's a whole new ball game there. we saw it in hattiesburg, mississippi. when isis encourages homegrown terrorists to assault police officers. we saw it in boston when the guy was on his way to behead a police officer. we hear nothing from the white house. we have a serious terrorist group making threats against u.s. citizens and military and law enforcement, and there's no sense of urgency on the part of this white house to hold those individuals accountable. and i mean more than just rhetoric of we're going to bring them to justice. >> when you think about this, it's almost like a full-prong attack on law enforcement, law enforcement and the military, which is really the only
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semblance that keeps chaos back, are considered the targets. they're really now the bad guys. >> you know, the isis -- when it comes to isis and the criminal element, you can use all three of these. the anarchist, as well. they know there's not going to be much done about these threats and these assaults on the american law enforcement officer. isis knows that this administration doesn't have the will or the resolve to make them pay. i'm talking about make their lives hell for threatening the lives of u.s. citizens here and home and abroad. >> right here in new york city, there was a counterterrorism unit in the police department that has pretty much been cut back by mayor de blasio. now they're saying we have some of it up and going, that's supposed to investigate some of these organizations that might be, you know, promoting the kind of jihad mentality.
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and we're pulling back on it. >> they have their hands tied now. not just in new york but other areas because of the sensitivity. you heard the president talk about he wants law enforcement officers to engage in more dialogue and to deescalate and that sort of thing. look, the use of force in american policing are inseparable, unfortunately. and to try to declaw the american law enforcement officer is only going to embolden these individuals. that's why we're seeing these things escalate. this down in dallas, it was surreal. >> this guy was in some kind of an armored vehicle. >> we heard this from the president of the united states as well, this cutting back on equipment, the militarization or demilitarization of the american law enforcement officer or agencies. judge, this isn't -- we're not in kansas anymore, okay? unfortunately, this is the state of things, and if we don't realize -- when i say we, we in
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law enforcement realize it. but if this administration doesn't get behind law enforcement instead of continuing blasting us, you're going to continue to see the criminals, the cop-hating anarchists and now isis. that's a game changer, judge. >> you're a sheriff of a big county your -- the men and women on the force? >> i tell them, you keep your head up first of all. keep your chin up, do right by people. go out there, make your community safe. let me fight the politics and i'll have your back as long as you do things within the constitution of the united states, i'll fight the political class. >> and they're lucky to have you. good to have you on the show. up next, new information from intelligence sources about isis. plus, he did it again. six more gitmo detainees released, including alleged bin laden bodyguards. the breaking details are next. (music)
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developing tonight, six more gitmo detainees, including alleged bin laden bodyguards released. intelligence sources tell fox news that isis militants are now reportedly using libya as an entry point into europe, and then the united states. joining me now, retired army lieutenant colonel tony shaffer. good evening. your reaction to the latest gitmo reloease? >> it's a continuation of what the president promised to do. the political narrative is driving the train, not the interest of the american people, in protecting the american people's interests. these guys that he's releasing,
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the bin laden driver, the taliban five, these are all hardened terrorists who participated in acts of terror against the united states, and killed our people. frankly, it makes no sense at all regarding keeping our allies or us safe. >> what's interesting is that the national security spokesman said that keeping open gitmo weakens national security, it drains resources, it damages u.s. relations with key allies, as if they need to do more to damage those relations. and it emboldens violent extremists. maybe we should let everybody out of jail, too because it makes people angry. >> gitmo serves a purpose. it's a place to bring people who are noncombatant. the law of war would allow us to kill these people on the
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battlefield. they're noncombatant individuals that don't get the law of land and warfare given to them. >> and this week the chairman of joint chiefs said if the u.s. took control, we could really defeat isis. what the hell have we been doing for the last few years? >> that's the problem. general dempsey, it's time for him to go. this concept he's trying to put forth is insane. either you're in this to win it or stop pretending. judge, this is what is -- this is what's wrong with our policy right now. we know how to go about doing what we can to defeat isis. we can organize our arab allies more consistently. the egyptians, the jordanians want to join. we can work with our allies on the ground and put special operations command in place. special operations command is being held back.
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so we could do a lot more. >> a couple more questions. the president approves the sending in of 450 more u.s. troops. the same week he says he has no strategy. it seems crazy, but let me ask you this, the biggest concern right now has to do with this statement that libya's now the easy entry point into europe and ultimately into the u.s. they're saying this is the way to america. are they right? >> absolutely. they're related. the 450 is insulting. it puts more impetus into isis, it gives them more momentum. with that said, they're continuing to spread globally. we are so centrally focused on iraq, we're not looking at the big picture. libya will become a profit center. they're charging refugees to go from libya to europe. we destabilize libya, and now they can get people into that refugee stream and go to europe
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or come here. it's inevitable to get people here or in europe and planning for a 9/11 attack in the future. >> sheriff clark was talking about the fact that there was a call to attack law enforcement by isis and a call to attack the military. with all of the denigration of law enforcement and with this building up of hatred, it's not just the lone wolves we have to worry about now. >> right. >> so there's a new -- and a picture flashed, there's a new nomination for the joint chiefs. >> general doneford's nickname is fighting joe.
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he finished a successful tour in afghanistan. i think he's in it to win it. i think he's going to do a thorough review in september, october of this year. i have a great deal of faith in him. >> fighting joe. sounds good to me. colonel, thanks for being with us. >> thank you, ma'am. coming up, an update on the manhunt for the escaped killers and my statement on a woman murdered as she waited for a gun permit to protect herself. stay with us. audible safety beeping
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>> some new information we got tonight. the district attorney explained that joyce mitchell, shortly after planning to pick up the escaped inmates at a power plant was planning to drive them to a heavily wooded area seven hours away from here. we do not know, and it's not clear whether or not mitchell has shared any information about whether that is, but that is new information, that these two thought they would quickly be taken somewhere seven hours away, but that obviously was not the case. the search is concentrated in the five-mile or so radius around the prison. something else that's new that this effort is costing $1 million a day to find the two fugitive murderers and authorities expect the effort to continue based on briefings they
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have given mr. wylie until some trace of these two turns up somewhere else. so basically the thought is that they are here until they hear otherwise. >> all right, peter, thank you. before we go tonight, my view on battered women and the protection we provide them. . most firearms applications should be ruled on within 30 days. the seemingly innocuous rule but with deadly consequences. like many battered women, carol from new jersey could almost predict the level of danger she would face. that's why she applied for a pistol permit april 21. she knew her retraining order was nothing more than a piece of paper and couldn't protect her from her violent ex. because she was not granted the permit in a timely manner, she was unable to defend herself when her abusing showed up and stabbed her to death. in spite of his status, there
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was no urgency on the part of the police to move her application along. but it's no surprise. battered women are often not given the protection that they need. when they try to protect themselves, they face unnecessary red tape that prevents them from saving their own lives. carol bound is not alone. . there are many battered women who knew their deaths were inevitable. they stand witness to our society's claim that we do everything we can to protect them. we didn't protect carol when we easily could have. carol and other silent witnesses surround us, asking whether we really have the will to protect them. and that's it for us tonight. and remember, you don't ever have to miss justice. just set your dvr and tell your friends to do the same. remember to friend me on facebook and follow me on twitter and send me your
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