go to facebook.com/kellyfile. thanks megyn. the city of charleston south carolina is mourning tonight after a mass shooting at a historically black church that left nine people dead the suspect, identified as 21-year-old dylann roof has been flown back to charleston to face charges. police are still trying to determine a motive but it appears to be racially charged. joining us now live at the scene of the arrest is our own mike tobin. mike. >> reporter: sean this really is a remarkable example of the authorities, the media and the public working together. that's why you arrived at that rapid arrest with dylann roof

being taken into custody before 11:00 this morning. this is also where the shelby police chief said the tip that got him arrested came from a business. we now know that business was a florist or a flower shop and the tip goes back to one of employees, debbie dils who was driving to work late. she spotted that 2000 hyundai elantra that she'd seen all over the news. she drove up close and saw that bowl hair cut. she made a call not to the police but to her boss at work. she pulled back and felt she should stay close. she stayed until she saw lights flashing. she said he never drove fast

never drove erratically, he just kept on driving. debbie said she prayed a lot and she believes that god put her in position to make that call. >> it's been a very emotional day in south carolina. watch this. >> we woke up today and the heart and soul of south carolina was broken. and so we have some grieving to do and we've got some pain we have to go through. parents are having to explain to their kids how they can go to church and feel safe and that is not something we ever thought we'd have to deal with. >> governor nikki haley, very

emotional. some indicate a drug found on roof are used to treat opiate addiction. joining me now, geraldo rivera, and dr. ablow. we've had so many of these incidents, one after another, sandy hook columbine, aurora where we keep looking at these medicines the kids are on the psych drugs they're taking. in the end are we going to find this is another case of that? >> soboxone is an opiate. the combination of the two acts a little bit like methadone, if

you used to be on oxycodone and getting tolerant and needing more and more. >> you're basically replaces one opiate for another. if you're on oxycodone, aren't you substituting one for another but you don't need the increased doses? >> yes. some people procure this to get high and some people trade it for other drugs. what we seem to know about this young man is that he either needed this to detox from an opiate or he procured it on the street. either way he has a history of some kind of drug dependency ory bus -- or abuse. >> how do drugs used for opiates

get abused them? >> because addicts are cagey and they'll swap them for other street drugs. what i've learned in 25 years of practicing psychiatry where there's one street drug and even one used to treat addiction, there may be even others there are so many other designer drug you'd want to know that are there other drugs involved. my gut feelings is that more psychiatry was needed not less that there was not enough in the way of a holding environment. >> but columbine, aurora sandy hook there's this mysterious reluctance and resistance to reveal this to the public and often it's a long time after the incidents occur that we actually find out about it but it happens often. so you're saying maybe these drugs are prescribed and not monitored and you suspect this could have played a part? >> it certainly could have.

the fact that they're involved this these events doesn't mean they caused them. it might mean these folks are psychiatrically ill but not getting the help that they need. >> we do know one survivor begged him to stop. another survivor was allowed to live and was told i'm going to let you live because i want you to tell the world what happened. another case where one of these shooters wants fame. apparently the shooter said i have to do it you rape our women, you're taking over our country, you have to go which indicates perhaps with this historically black church that this is racially motivated. so my question to you is i know we often go into the psychology of people that commit these crimes but this sounds to me that somebody who can walk into a church sit in a bible study for an hour it's pure,

unadulterated evil to me it's just in the heart of this person and no amount of gun control will stop this. your thoughts? >> this was a racist judas. he infiltrated himself here at this mother emanuel ame church the second oldest ame church in the country. this was a person that seeped of evil he may have used drugs or was high at the time i don't know anything about that but i do know he sat for an hour with these people. he looked in the eyes of the pastor and other people pretending to care about their bible studies, to be a sincere adherent to christianity when instead he was plotting the

entire time to commit savage murder. this is a pathological sick person. this is just like a member of the kkk without the hood. this is charles manson someone who tried to start a race war. >> dr. ablow, we can psycho analyze this kid's brain from now till the cows come home but he obviously had a racist intention and there's something inherently evil and dark about a human being that can sit there in a prayer environment with people for an hour getting to know their good heart and then pull out a weapon and just start firing. >> sean most in my opinion and this is a great philosophical debate it's a great debate to have on your show, it's very high minded. the most evil i have learned is illness. maybe all of it. the bottom line is we're going to find out this is a sick kid.

>> wait a minute. is evil spiritual. are you saying that evil is biochemical? i think most spiritual counselors would argue it's the former. >> i think you can live on things that are so traumatic that it can have a neurochemical effect on you. i've yet to find anyone do horrific things who didn't live through horrific things and i don't think that's an coincidence. >> geraldo, there was the earlier comment, i'm not going to dignify it by playing it that this blame on the fox new channel, i've watched a lot of incendiary things being said on msnbc, for example, by the reverend al sharpton at freddy's at 125th street on the

morton downey, jr. show about the different epithets he's used against gay people and racist comments that i think he's made about building buildings, et cetera. your thoughts about that attack. >> i lament when the state senator talking to bill o'reilly made the wrong-headed dumb ass remark about fox news. where does he get off saying that? there is so much that is valid to report here. number one, that the people are charleston south carolina have come together black and white, to mourn this awful loss. they are standing united there's no violence here there is just utter sorrow. and anger at the perpetrator. and individual my own anger. i look at the person that you and dr. ablow have described and you accurately report the fact that he had these run-ins with

the law having to do with narcotics. it's clear that this kid in his late 20th year on earth was beginning to get into some very dangerous territory, they find the skin head videos in his house, the other racist references he's wearing the patches from south africa and from white dominated rhodesia back in the day. it's clear the kid is going through whatever that disintegration he's going through, but then on his 21st birthday if these reports are correct and his father gives him a .45, you give a drug adult troubled 20-year-old, you give him a .45? i would submit that the father is guilty of the grossest irresponsibility. but i also say going back to whether or not this guy is crazy, let me just use the layman's terms, i'm not a learned in the psycho analytical world. he is as crazy as all the other kkk members.

he's as crazy as charles manson was when he thought that he also as this kid did, could launch a race war by committing an atrocity so vile that it divided the races. taking advantage of the racial divide in this country i think manson it's more about manson than it is even than the four little girls who were killed in the birmingham church bombing in 1963. it is an awful, awful event that happened here. i just -- my heart's broken. >> my heart's broken too. you mentioned the facebook photo, the display of the apartheid era of south africa or another flag of white rule in rhodesia now zimbabwe obviously. do we miss signs? we have a roommate who has come out and said he was into segregation, he wanted to start a civil war. he said he was going to do something like this and kill himself. why almost in every case after the fact do we find out all the

evidence was there, even posted on social media and then we say, oh you know all these people say, oh we saw this was coming. how do we miss that geraldo? >> look at adam lanza. his mother had guns all over the house there in newtown, connecticut. all over. and the kid was clearly going off the deep end. she missed it. and he killed her as a result. in this particular case again, where was the dad? how can the father be so disconnected from the son that the son arrested would times in the six months leading up to his 21st birthday and still give him a .45? and the fact that he had all of this racist paraphernalia in his room you know parents, the kid's living with you, you got a right to go in that room. you can't let this be a surprise to you. you can't unleash this sociopath, that heartless,

hateful person to bring in violence. these are the best these were the best the pastor the state senator, the people who have worked in this church 30 years, 40 years, people graduating college. these are people -- the nation weeps for what happens, what this punk did on this ground of all places. it's just something, sean that's utterly shocking and outrageous. >> we have to take a quick break and we'll have more live coverage on the ground from charleston south carolina. and then later tonight -- >> the fact that this took place in a black church obviously raises questions about a dark part of our history. >> within moments president obama once again politicizing a tragedy. please stay with us. er? he'll tell us everything he knows very shortly, sir.

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>> i was on my way to work and i'll be honest i was praying for for those people and he just looked look a young boy. i believe it was god intervened to help me know. i'm going to tell you, i am no hero i was scared. i told god, i said i'll tell you what if this man gets out and shoots me you need to know i'm going to be in glory with my brothers and sisters in christ that left here. >> the woman you just heard from is being hailed at a hero tonight. debbie dills reportedly saw suspected dylann roof and helped to alert police. the 21-year-old gunman is now in the charleston county detention center. we're expect him to be arraigned

tomorrow. fox co-host ainsley earhardt is with us. >> we all hate this that it's happening here in this great city. i'm here with a represent it tiff who represents this great area. i know europe reallyyou were really good friend with representative pinckney. you were a republican he was a

democrat. >> there are hundreds of people behind me waiting to take a picture, waiting to lay flowers. he was a senator and a great man that was called to serve god at a young age while he was still a teen-ager. he is what the president the of student body at allen university. he was a man who always thought before he spoke, he had a fantastic big booming voice. when he spoke, people listened. a man of honesty and integrity. he will be sorely missed. >> any stories that come to mind? >> absolutely. being one of the more conservative members in the south carolina house, it's sometimes unusual to work with democrats. my very first bill dealt with concussions in student athletes and dealing with children. senator pinckney took a fantastic interest. once i passed it out of the house, i went to him and he was the first senator to help me get that bill passed into law.

he took an interest in children and their well being. >> he made an indelible impression on people here. i want to show you video of people that we met, some were tourists and many that live in the area who were there to lay flowers and light a candle. take a listen to what this community is all about. >> when you actually come here to the church what went through your mind and your heart? >> my heart just sunk. it's so bad right now. >> i just wanted to come down and show support for the families and there's not much that i can do or anybody can do. >> i think the lesson is sometimes we never know who is in the midst of us. we must be vigilant and cordial at all times. >> taking the lives of others in extreme manners is cowardice and

weakness and shameful. >> what was your reaction when you heard the news? >> i just cried. >> how do we get past this as a country? >> i don't know prayer. >> what's your reaction when you hear that. >> when i hear the reaction the love and outpouring and support that's come not on from this state but from this nation it gives me hope that we will rise up from what's happened here become a stronger city a stronger group of people and move past the situation. >> let's change topics here. as a former prosecutor here in the charleston area what happens next for the suspect? he was extradited here. what happens tomorrow? >> i prosecuted thousands of cases. he's landed he's in detention, there will be a magistrate bond hearing tomorrow. he will sit in jail until a circuit judge hearse that bond. >> death penalty, can we expect that? >> we've got a fantastic

solicitor in scarlet wilson. i think that scarlet needs to sit down with the federal government and decide i know the feds are investigating here too, which one of those areas can basically punish this guy the most. and if there are aggravating circumstances you would go for with the death penalty, i would absolutely go for the death penalty. if you go into a church and people are sharing faith and studying the bible and you murder innocent folks and basically lay terror on the city that's an aggravating circumstance in my mind that would call for the death penalty. >> sean i lived on smith street when i was doing an internship at the nbc affiliate, i'm originally from columbia which is two hours away and that's where the suspect is from. the law enforcement sources said they went in and searched his father's house, then they went to his mom's house.

they did find skin head paraphernalia and anti-african-american videos. they did talk to his roommate who said he'd been planning this for about six month. >> what a said story. thank you so much and all our best to the community out there. we go back to geraldo rivera on the ground tonight for us. i look at the life of this pastor and this senator. he began preaching at the age of 13. he was a pastor at the age of 18. graduated from allen university in '95, studied at princeton, the university of south carolina lutheran theological southern seminary. he became the youngest african-american elected to the legislature when he was just 23 years old in 1996 got in the state senate in 2000. he was named as one of the african-american community's 30

leaders of the future by "ebony" magazine in 1999. he is survived by a wife and two young daughters. what a future he had in front of him. what a sad, tragic loss of a great human beings by all accounts. >> you know i have to say something. what you just recited has made me more emotional than anything since i got here today from new york. to have that life wasted by this savage racist, selfish, narcissistic sociopath, what a paste. for

-- waste. this was the state senator who reached across and wand to work to the twont sides, the two political sides, red and blue together. and if you want another measure of the man, who is it that takes time out from their busy lives to run a prayer service, a learning section, a prayer you know where they teach the bible and the message and the manning.eaning. who uses their free time so selflessly but the best among us. that's who died here. that's who was slaughtered here. again, i go back to this racist judas. he was the judas. he sat with them he looked in their eyes he pretended to pray with them and to be attentive and following and a faith-based person and instead inside rather

than christ rather than god, rather than goodness there was this malignant evil knowing the whole time as he counted down 45 minutes, 50 minutes, now i'm taking out the .45 that my dad gave me for my birthday now i'm shooting and now i'm shooting and now i'm reloading and i'm shooting again and going to the one survivor saying i'm leaving you alive that you can tell them that we're killing these black people because they're raping and they want to take control. where does this come from? this is outrageous this is savage. i believe the racial divide in this country is our biggest unresolved issue, it's our biggest divide issue. this is something that all of us taking an example from the people of charleston pan these

people these white people black people old people young people coming here to the mother emanuel ame, to show solidarity that they stand together. this is the antidote to that. >> you look at this man's background and he's only one of the nine. you think of the two children that will never see their father again and nine families and extended families and a community and an entire city now mourn the loss of these people for what? and the fact that they had all this indication before hand it was on facebook his roommate knew he planned this nobody said anything. i don't get it. >> i want you to now tell sean how you feel about what happened

here and how you feel about the fact that you're standing shoulder to shoulder with your fellow charlestonnians regardless of race. you first. >> i wanted to pay my respect and stand with people of all races and show we should respect the victims and not the killer. >> do you feel there's a war against blacks? is this just one psycho path a disgusting person who should not be noted? >> to be honest i mean i'm not sure at times. times i come and i think we're all together as one and then other times i think, you know, we're not for this act and other

acts toward black people. i don't know. i'm down here just showing my support, showing that you know i do care about first off black people because i am black but also white people as well. everybody. but to answer that question you know i'm not really sure but i'm down here showing my support. >> and i appreciate your presence and your sincerity. >> why are you here ma'am? >> my husband is the pastor at our church and we were actually -- where we live is only about ten minutes from where he was picked up and arrested today. we were actually already planning on coming down to charleston for the weekend and so just to be here at this time and we were just in church ourselves last night. to think that that could have happened anywhere and unfortunately it happened here and with this group of people like you said it just a senseless travesty of -- you're at a loss for words.

i mean you really are because it's not about black, it's into the about white, it's about people doing wrong to other people. >> and pastor in god's house. >> it's definitely humbling. it's somewhere you think you're safe it's somewhere where you can come and just be yourself. >> i'm glad you're hear. sean back to you. >> geraldo, it is amazing. you're right, if we can't go to our own churches and feel safe, there it's scary. you know in spite of evil and tragedy in this moment you see a community like that coming together, people of all races, that is the real america. not what this evil kid did and indicated what he wanted to do. coming up you'll hear from the friends of one of the victims of the senseless tragedy. and then later tonight. >> how many people do we need to see cut down before we act? >> hillary clinton not holding

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the age of 18 youngest african-american legislator just 23. state senate not a few years later. tell us about this incredible human being, the tragedy, leaves behind a white and two children. >> he's someone i've come to love over the years. there's been issues that we've disagreed on. i'm a conservative republican he's a democrat but when we disagreed, it was behind closed doors. but publicly when we came together for the good of south carolina we let everybody know. we've done some remarkable things over these years. he was my colleague, he was my friend he was my brother in christ. he preached the good news of the gospel of jesus christ. he was faithful to his god, his lord, he was faithful to the people of this state, he was faithful to his wife and family. he's the kind of role model that

we need in our nation. >> senator, i look at the church i know it's an historically black church with an incredible history but yet there were people of all races that went to this church because of the great respect of the pastor correct? >> i think that's absolutely correct. when you look at senator pinckney and what his life tipified it, really reminds me of what albert einstein told us years ago, he said "only a life lived for others is a life worth living." i think because his character was across the racial divide people gravitated towards him. that's the effect that he had on people he came in contact with. >> kyle you say he was a mentor to you. how? >> yes. i graduated from jasper county

high school and clementa also graduated from the high school he was a few years older than me. one day he came back and said it doesn't matter that you're from a small town what's important is you can dream a big dream and you can do some unbelievable things. when i sat in the student section and i heard this man speak and i was like he's one of us. and it just reminded me that i want to one day go back and i want to speak the schools and i want to encourage kids to dream big and to understand that their life has a purpose and they're not just here for a reason. he took me under his wing as like an understudy and he would always give me bits of information, things to look forward to things that i should try. he was always there for me. like he didn't let him being a state representative or senator

affect like our relationship. he never thought he was above me. i could text him, send him a message on facebook and he would text right back. and now my kyle speaks company across the country, he planted a seed me and allowed other people to water it but it was because i heard him speak that i want him to do what he did. i'm a serviente -- servant for the people. just like he did. >> this happens in a lot of cases with islamic terrorists. we find out they're active on social media. you have the facebook photo of this young man displaying a flag of an apartheid era of south africa and another flag of

white-ruled rhodesia now zimbabwe. you now have a roommate that says he's a segregationist and said he was going to do something like this and he did it but we're hearing it after the fact. are we not paying enough attention to these people that are stating clearly and unequivocally what their intentions are that they're going to do it. >> there are a lot of strange people in this world, you see a lot of strange things. but what we saw today was the face of evil. evil came into our community, it has taken the life of somebody i care about. how we respond to this tragedy will define us for years to come. i want us to follow the example of clementa pinckney spraechpreaching

the good news of jesus christ. if we come together as a people and follow the principles of christianity so eloquently laid out by senator pinckney over these years, our community will prosper and we will be strong. >> senator saab this young man sat there for an hour in a church as people were praying. he knew their good heart, he knew their good intentions. this isn't even a sunday. it's a bible study on a wednesday night. sat there for an hour knowing what he was going to do. a lot of times when these incidents come up they have telegraphed what they are going to do. this man telegraphed what he was going to do and we don't pick up on it. do you think we need to pick up on it senator sabb? >> i do. we have to pay attention to what

is being said. not only can we sit silent and allow them to express their views to us but we've got to take a stand to the extent what they say is wrong, evil racist. to be silent is almost endorsing or giving consent. there ought to be an outrage when that kind of thing is expressed. let me say one more quick thing on this notion of beingin in the church. i think if you want to do evil people think if we come to the church -- i think we have seen a nation that has come together see that justice is being done. we've embraced those who have suffered in a major way and we're going from there. >> our thoughts and prayers remain with the community. thank you all for being with us.

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somehow advance an agenda? guns are not the issue here. if someone has evil in their heart, bo they're going to find a way to do this. why do the president and hillary clinton do this? >> i just felt like i knew these people. i don't know them. these were nine human beings that were gunned down by a deranged kid. i don't care what his motives were. this was a psycho path savage that killed these people in their act of praying to god. to me it feels like there's people i knew. my problem again is what happened in connecticut, what happened in aurora. i believe this is a bipolar again is going to come out. once they start using these drugs, that bipolar nonsense starts kicking in. >> we'll find out. when we come back reaction from our panel as we continue tonight.

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isn't this pure evil? >> it is pure evil. down the street there ahanging tree down there in this community that represents the racial divide that has been there forever. we need people to come, black, white brown, church member and -- >> we see that tonight? >> it's starting. i think the next few days we need to continue. people need to know we care. and i think this is an opportunity. >> pastor? >> you know sean i agree there is a reality of mental illness for some of the acts of evil but most evil is the result of a willful rebellion against god and his laws which people have

to be accountable for. we cannot ignore the spiritual component. this is the war against good and evil. evil seems to have won in charleston it won't win forever. it has been the hope of christians for 2000 years. . >> i remember in the 60s, in 2008, our division started. this should be the first day for us to get back together, get back on track the way we were in 980s when everyone was together. these race baiters say that. let us heal together. black, white it's one. nine human beings were killed in a house of god. this should be moving forward. let's heal. >> guys unfortunately that is all the time we have left this

evening. thoughts and prayers go out to people in charleston and south carolina. thanks for joining us we'll see you back here tomorrow night.

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