ferguson, bigger than new york city cop assassinations or bigger than emmanuel ame happens. god bless america. god knows we need it. thousands across the country remember those lost in charleston. holding prayer vigils and trying to understand the hate that led to this brutal crime. south carolina's mark stanford joins us from outside emmanuel ame church. the fbi busts another suspect believed to sympathize with isis here in america. that's at least ten people rounded up in the last month alone. former fbi deputy director is here to tell us why there's been such an uptick in arrests. well in 2016 conservative candidates talk about their faith in our freedom. here in washington you see live pictures coming in right now, while 3,000 miles away hillary clinton meets with big city

mayors in san francisco. thanks for spending your saturday with us. i'm leland vittert. >> i'm elizabeth prann. welcome to america's news headquarters from washington. a story of state rid played out this week but it was -- in an unprecedented turn of events the family of the nine victims in charleston south carolina spoke out telling the alleged murderer they are forgiving him. they're determined not to hate. our friend of dylan ruth says he had been planning an attack and the church was not his original target. >> killer himself faces nine charges of murder. one charge on a weapons charge. he is not posting bond for those

nine charges. of course he is going to remain in jail probably for the rest of his life. moving forward in that bond appearance we heard from the cooler -- accused killer. >> what is your snaj. >> 21 years old. >> are you employed? >> no. >> you are unemployed at this time? >> yes, sir. >> thank you. >> meanwhile, just a couple of blocks away from emmanuel ame church there was a prayer vigil held last night by the city of charleston. thousands flooding into td arena. behind me ongoing for the last few days at emmanuel ame church they've been imprompt your vigils. people coming up and talking, leaving flowers, cards, and prayers. >> delighted, even under the horrible circumstances. still to see everybody come together like this just warms your heart. >> when i first heard this had

happened, i felt like i had jumped into a time machine and went back in time to the civil right movement. >> to deliver cards. as you see right behind me right now, that continues as we have speakers who have been here almorning long delivering their thoughts for the victims and their families. back to you. >> all right, rich. rich thank you. leland. >> we have and will continue to hear a lot about dylan ruth, the accused shooter, but at times like this it is equally fbt more important to hear about the victims. ruth allegedly killed nine in that charleston church. neen lives cut short. nine stories to tell.

as we learned in -- after his death, he was a friend of president bottom. she was going to celebrate it tomorrow with her family. and the last was 70. her granddaughter describes her as the heart of the family. cindy jackson loved sing in the choir and going on church bus trips. the middleton doctor had just started a new job as a college counselor. she was the mother of four girls. at 26 twanda sanders was the youngest victim. he had recently graduated from college. reverend daniel simmons sr. was a retired pastor that went to bible study, and myra thompson was active in the community and the wife of a local pastor.

we miss them all. south carolina congressman and former governor mark sandberg joins us outside emanuel ame church. we are 48 hours or so after people really learned of the enormity and the loss in that community, so there's been time to go from shock to grief. i'm wondering what really is the emotion there on the streets of charleston now on the first weekend day after the shooting? >> you see a remarkable outpouring if i was to look back of folks continuing to stream to the ame church. this is despite unusually hot weather down here. people are going the extra mile to say i as a member of this community in whatever walk of life i come from want to be here at the church on calhoun street. i think it's absolutely remarkable. >> and as we heard from rich white, black, it seems to not matter. everyone has come out.

one of the things that has really struck the entire country is the emotion that has poured out from the victims' families. i want to play one soundbyte that i thought was particularly poignant. a young man speaking about his mother. sfroo please love the way my mom would, and the hate won't be anywhere close to what love is. >> he is a bettered man than i. i can say god forbid something happened to my mother i could not imagine having that kind of grace ever in life. much less when the emotion is so raw. is that a universal feeling of this grace and forgiveness in charleston? if so, what's in the water down there that makes such a great community? >> they call it the holy city, and you are seeing an outpouring of holiness at many different levels. whether it's my friend that's preaching behind me right now around the corner whether it's people that come from all different corners of low country, or a different state. i ran into a couple yesterday

that had driven 100 miles to come down drop off flowers and drive back to columbia. i think that most telling point of all is what you raised which is absolutely unfathomable grace offered by the family. i ran into greg at the prayer vigil last night. he is a minister of a large local church. he was at the bond hearing, and it gave me goose bumps as he described it. he said mark i have never seen anything like it before in my life. i have been in the clergy for the whole of my life. i have never seen anything like it. as one family after another family member after another family member said simply we forgive you. we forgive you. we forgive you. as you correctly point out, within 60 hours of this instance i cannot imagine that kind of grace, but we've seen it here in charleston. >> it's stunning. it gives -- dave us all goose bumps to watch yesterday, i want to bring thup and it's a bit of a transition to debate that has been reignited, if you will by

this shooting. the debate is almost unique to south carolina. that is a fact that the confed rate flag while it does not fly above the state capitol, it does fly on essentially the state capitol grounds. you can see a picture there of the flag. one of our file pictures. the debate has begun anew whether the flag has been taken down. i will ask you as the former governor current member of the congressional delegation from south carolina do things need to change? are they going to change? >> the families are still in the process of healing, and so the idea of jumping in to a very difficult political debate because in our state, you know, it was a political compromise that took it down off the statehouse capitol and put it on a place, a memorial. at the same time there was a monument to african-americans who died in the passage of

slavery and tied in the process of slavery. >> there will be probably a longer debate on that front. what i know as to where we are right now is we're still in this time of healing in charleston the low country. the families are very much in that process. i think the debate is a little premature. >>. >> there will be a long time to mourn the nine lives we talked about. obviously, as they remember in their death, nine incredible individuals. congressman, we appreciate your time there, and i know your folks and constituents there appreciate your leadership, sir. >> thank you. >> thanks. >> federal agents have made at least ten isis arrests on american soil in the last month. four in just the last week alone, including one new jersey suspect who allegedly planned to join isis for the price of

$7,000 and four wives. the arrests come the same week as self-proclaimed isis sympathizers fareed who lunged at federal agents with this kitchen knife when they came to his home in staten island. while terrorism within america is nothing new, there is concern within the fbi that isis sympathizers could carry out attacks leading up to the fourth of july. are see we seeing more or they're going after lower level threats? >> i don't know. there's been an increase in threats. that's why the fbi is making so

many arrests now. that's important. we have to keep that in mind. the fact that we're close to the fourth of july i think has minimal importance. these terrorist acts are almost always committed at the conclusion of preparation and fortunately in these cases, the fbi has been able to intercept them largely because of citizen involvement. people coming to a task force, a police officer, an fbi agent and saying we have a problem here. this guy is going to commit some acts, and it's concerned citizens that protect us as much as anything. these people are encouraged by isis overseas. we have isis have success after success. our generals say we're losing the war on isis and that encourages these people to do things here. they want to be part of a winning team.

>> how do we confront that? >> i don't think we're exaggerated, but take whole citieses it. i don't think that's an exaggeration. i think social media mraz plays a huge role here, and you see they have great propaganda machines. they show movies of beheadings of their successes. i think when that plays into social media here and then that -- you have some individual here who maybe had that proclifty, he watches that stuff and says well i'm going join the team and get involved. that's where we've been successful so far mainly because of american citizens and people who have knowledge. >> yeah. you talked about preparation. how do you get these guys before they're radicalized? >> well a lot of it comes, again, from public assistance.

>> how does the fbi stay together to really track a lot of the web traffic. how does the fbi work with the nsa and specifically targeting this younger group that isis and other terror networks are going after? >> well, nsa shares information with the fbi about potential -- the web sites, and then the fbi through their analytical capabilities or task forces takes a look at some of these web sites, and in some cases they'll see traffic on those web sites and sometimes they will actually pretend to be a bad guy and reach out and say what is your intent and the subject will profess his intent to commit a terrorist act, and then

the fbi takes the place of isis and interseeds it. a lot of ways they do it and they're pretty good at it. >> the fourth of july doesn't necessarily concern you, meaning maybe we can be -- we shouldn't rest on our laurels at any time. we shouldn't sit back and wait for another attack. is there a certain part of the united states certain urban areas that give you more concern than others? we've seen a number of attacks or number of men arrested in the tri-state area specifically this past month. the director in the fbi says there's a contingent for all of the states. i don't think we can assume in new york city -- the more question is -- trying to figure out a location that's a difficult task. >> okay. danny, thank you so much for joining us. we really appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you.

now we want to hear from you. what more should we be doing to fight the home grown terror threat from isis? you can send us your tweets at elizabeth pramn or at leland vittert. we will read some of your thoughts in the show. >> already getting interesting responses. there is much more ahead on america's news headquarters from washington. mixing politics and religion. all day long a lot of 2016 hopefuls are in d.c. for the faith and freedom summit. so did any of them stand down? plus the end of a nine-year journey is very close, and so are some possible answers to the very mysteries out at the edge of our solar system. some incredible discoveries. plus it's been two weeks and still no sign of the escaped killers from upstate new york. so what do investigators need to catch a break? rick leventhal is live outside prison they broke out of. >> leland there may be a

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balcony collapse in california earlier in week. hundreds of mourners gathered in oakland last night for a vigil to remember the victims. a birthday party turned tragic tuesday when a fifth floor balcony gave way. five of the dead were irish students visiting for the summer as a part of a work exchange program. sxwlirchlgts it's been two weeks since two killers escaped from an upstate new york prison. they have vanished. the inmates remain on the loose, but new york state police may have caught a break. they're investigate aing possible sighting of the men. rick levanthal has been following this story and joins us now live outside prison they escaped from. rick. this is the first time that the new york state police have put

possible sightings in a press release since they escaped, and that may give it some additional credence. according to police last saturday witnesses spotted two men walking near a rail yard in a town of erwin. roughly 300 miles as the crow flies from the correctional facility here. two men with the same destrippings were walking along route 115 in the town of linley headed towards the pennsylvania border. authorities check out both leads. they talked to witnesses the and collected surveillance tape which so far has been inconclusive, and it is still being analyzed in the state police crime lab. it is possible for the men to have covered 300 miles on foot in a week if they walked roughly 15 hours a day, but they would have had to do it mostly at night to try to avoid being spotted. >> we're not going anywhere. our plan to pursue these men relentlessly and until they are in custody. we will not stop our search, and we will not stop chasing leads until we have put richard and

david back in prison. >> we don't know why the state police waited a week to release this information, but since then they could have covered another 300 miles and could be in virginia west virginia or ohio or beyond. >> all they need is one tip. a lot of discussion has been made about how these guys escaped from this prison. up until now clinton correctional facility had been perfect in its track record of keeping bad guys inside. are they taking any action to prevent this from happening again? >> they have multiple investigations going now to try to determine what went wrong and why and who might be responsible, whether anyone else played a role here, and last night the department of corrections announced that they had put one corrections officer

on administrative leave. they won't say exactly why they did that what this man may or may not have done but that is one officer now on administrative leave and policies are being looked at although, again, the department of corrections weren't specific about what changes may be coming down the pike once they conclude their investigation. >> any more on the investigation into the woman who has been charged with trying to help these guys? have we learned any more about her? >> the determination according to the prosecutor that he did not have any involvement, and he is not likely to face any charges. >> we'll see how the case plays out while the manhunt goes on. rick levanthal, huh, sir. >> sir. >> elizabeth. >> lawmakers are hoping to get a deal to get a trade deal passed before the fourth of july. what will it mean for you? we'll talk about it on the other side of the break.

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the senate could vote as early as next week on the controversial fast track tradet squeaked by the house this week. senate republican leaders are confident they will have a bill signed by the president before the fourth of july. experts aren't exactly sure

about that. especially considering democratic presidential candidate hillary clinton broke with mr. obama on his trade push. for those of you keeping score, she supported the deal he wanted when she was secretary of state. now not so much. here to flush it all out is washington examiner chief congressional correspondent susan. susan, big picture here. i think what surprised people so much about the trade debate is how powerful organized labor still is in this city. >> absolutely. especially with certain key democrats in states where manufacturing is very important. the labor unions don't like the trade deals because they feel because of currency manipulation and other trade enforcement issues it's caused jobs to be shipped overseas. it's led to fewer union jobs which, of course has weakened the union. they're really pushing to stop -- >> playing hardball. >> no yes. not only are they just playing hardball and telling candidates not to vote for, but they're threatening to primary democrats they normally support.

that kind of threat really resonates with these democrats, and i have had people on capitol hill tell me on the democratic side in the house that the driving force behind the democratic efforts to stop the trade fast track package are these unions and their push against certain democrats. it's really having an impact and it's really the reason why the future of this bill remains uncertain even right now. >> it is very uncertain, and president obama is still working pretty hard to try to court votes. we have a picture according to reuters this was him and nancy pelosi kissing and making up literally was the headline. this is a picture of president obama there out in san francisco. they look quite close. what surprised so many people is that this was a president who wanted something, who he had support of the republican leadership in the house, and he still couldn't get enough votes on his side. does this say that president obama is a lame-duck guy in his last couple of months? he just is not going to be able to get anything pushed through?

>> not anything but he is weakened by bauz is he on his way out of office. he is weakened because he never established strong negotiating roots with his own democratic caucus in congress. >> the combination makes this a particularly difficult and divisive issue. >> you brought up bill clinton, the other people that's playing in this is hillary clinton. in the sense that she was for this before she was against it in terms of the trade deal and now all of a sudden after a lot of pressure by the media, she's come out and said no no now i

am against it. >> she has bernie sanders running within ten points of her in new hampshire. she's avoiding going on the side of the pro-trade democrats who are far fewer in this whole caucus. she's going to the left on this and she's doing it in a very vague way where you can't quite pin her down. >> the clintons being vague? i never thought i would see it. >> the potential for good things to happen with this trade bill but i probably wouldn't vote for it. that really doesn't say anything about what her view is on this but it keeps her in a safe place, which is really important to her right now as a candidate. >> as a candidate, when you say you keep her in a safe place, but it also keeps her in a place

where unions have a harder time going after her. as we've heard, the unions are willing to play hardball. is this because -- are they willing to play hardball because they actually believe in, it or are they willing to play hardball because they think that it's going to hurt them? is it an issue for the workers or an issue for the unions themselves? >> i think most importantly the unions are in kind of a struggle for survival right now. their strength really is more in the government sector more than it does in the private sect or. i think if there are more trade deals, they feel that this will just eliminate so many more union jobs. it may completely be the death spiral for unions in the private sector and that is really what's driving them here. they are fighting for their lives, the union folks, and that's behind the push and i think they're going to really encourage the candidates like hillary clinton and others to stay away from saying yes to this trade deal. that's probably one of the main reasons you see hillary not getting right behind it. >> it packs the house and squeaked through the house by a couple of votes. remember this is only half of the trade deal that was

originally on the floor that failed about a week ago. >> not too far in. too far -- >> they're a little bit different. now coming to the senate. where are we on the nose count? >> at this point in the senate it's up in the air. they need the two bills that are separated now. >> susan, washington examiner we appreciate your insights as well. thank you very much. >> thanks. >> good to see you.

>> the hopefuls are also increasing their efforts to gain the attention of voters. this week many of them are descending on the nation's capital to reach out to social and religious conservatives. >> molly hennenberg joins us now with more. hi molly. >> hi elizabeth. yes, as you were saying, this event is a chance for christian conservatives to hear from republicancandidates and potential republican candidates. one of those speakers the only republican woman in the race so far, carly fiorina came out swinging going after the most high profile democratic candidate. >> hillary clinton must not be president of these united states but not because she is a woman. hillary clinton must not be president of he's united states because she is not trustworthy,

because she looks a track record of leadership and because her policies are bad for the people of this nation. >> the faith and freedom coalition's annual conference is happening this year in the shadow of the south carolina church shooting where nine people at a black church were killed. former texas governor rick perry was asked about additional gun control measures after the shooting. >> i think discussions are good things, and this is a deliberate hate crime. i think it is healthy for us as a country to have conversations and defend our positions, whatever they may be so i do have an issue that the knee jerk is from the left is always we're going to take people's guns away from them.

>> wub getting a tweet from her press secretary saying she will talk about persistent racism. clinton will also be holding a fundraise ner the san francisco area later today at the home of a real estate broker. elizabeth. >> molly reporting live. molly, thank you. there's more ahead. we promise. here comes. there it is. a match away from the negotiating table. why the u.s. and iran are taking heat over a volleyball tournament. plus elizabeth, what's the longest road trip you've ever taken? >> two billion miles. >> we can top it with three billion miles, and i would expect unlike on your road trip there probably are no bathrooms in outer space to pull over at. new meaning to when are we there? one of nasa's spacecraft made the trek to get the record. we have the pictures coming up.

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a shocking defeat here. iran beating the united states 3-0 at a home volleyball match, but not all the iranians were celebrating. as officials appear to uphold a ban on female spectators there at the match. about 12,000 people attended the world league series in tehran. talk about a home court advantage. but only a few special female guests from foreign embassies, you can see them there in tehran were able to watch the match inside the stadium. if you are wondering, u.s. team will have another chance against the iranian team tomorrow. our guys we're counting on you. changing gears, try and wrap your brain around this.

it's taken nasa's new horizon spacecraft nine and a half years to undergo three billion miles. it's set out in a 2006 mission to be the first to set eyes on pluto up close, reasonably speaking and the rocket will finally fly by the dwarf planet. author of the new book the ordinary space man clayton anderson joins us to tell us more about what we may learn. thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> it's almost inconceivable to travel three billion miles. i'm hoping maybe you can break it down for me. it's taken nine and a half years to do this. what images are we going to see? >> well hopefully we'll get the first really good close-up views of pluto, which i still consider a planet. i know that some don't. in the past it's been from so far away it's a pixelated image. this time it should fly close enough to get actual great images that we can discern what it's like there. >> it's going to be flying close enough on july 14th or so.

the undertaking -- this is a huge undertaking. what goes into this? >> well obviously a lot of planning. it was launched way back in 2006, and the interesting part is that once you send a spacecraft that's going to travel that far, you want to preserve the battery life and the capabilities, but every so often you have to turn it on to test those. >> right. >> when it got close to jupiter, they use the pull to help slingshot it more on its way to pluto, which is cool in and of itself and then it turned up some of the capabilities to look and take images of jupiter so that they would know that they would get real data back so when it does arrive at pluto in july everything will be working well. >> things can still go wrong in that time? >> certainly. they do a lot of planning and this is kind of a well known endeavor right? we've done it brshgs and they're pretty simple instruments that do very impressive things so i think it's everybody's -- >> simple for maybe astronauts perhaps. some might not think it's quite so simple. i want to ask you, what are we

going to learn? >> well it will be interesting. they're going to do lots of different things. they're going to look at the surface. they're going to take measurements of the atmosphere. they're going to look for anything they can to help them discern more about what pluto is exactly like. perhaps a big step. we know a great thing for kids to be learning about today. we don't hear about a lot of these missions. >> yeah. that's disappointing, but i hope kids will turn the tv on and look for this because this is pretty cool to send a probe three billion miles away. >> youed i believe often asked if the process of becoming an astronaut is hard. nope it's easy. define ease where i for me. >> well the process of applying is easy right? getting selected is hard. but to fill out the forms, back when i did it, you know, ions

ago, you stat down at a typewriter, and it was three or four forms, and you sent them off and crossed your fingers. today it's even easier in that you can get to these forms and do these things all on the internet right with your computer laptop. once you submit them then the hard part starts. >> you spent 30 years as anas naul. >> 30 years as a nasa employee. took me 15 years as an engineer before i finally got selected. as an astronaut. then i spent 15 years as an astronaut. >> one of the things i was interested in that you touched on is the issue that for so many kids and for so many people now the space program has sort of become routine. we don't hear about it much. there's not -- there's -- you have a big smile on your face. there's not much of a -- for america to lead the space race to mars and beyond. done as good of

a job? what's the driving force? are kids more interested in playing video games than they are in watching space shuttles go up? >> i think it's a combination of all those factors. kids have a lot of things that they can focus on today, right, between video games and tv and all the various things they get involved with and then nasa our p.r. engine is better now because of social media, and that's my hope is that with all these kids on instagram and facebook and those sort of things that in as ka continues to step forward as they're doing and put this out there so kids can see that it is really cool to think about space and to think about becoming an astronaut and maybe they won't even be what we traditionally call astronauts when they travel to space. they may be tourists going on a vacation to a space hotel. >> so many current nasa programs are all unmanned. one or two people at the international space station. that's it. you apply to be an astronaut now, there's no guarantee you'll ever fly. >> that's part of the problem with funding and those sort of things. we need to get more people into

space. we want to get more people into space, but we have to do it safely and smartly, and that's why people like elan musk and virgin galactic and boeing are trying to do that on a commercial bend, and if they're successful that will do a lot to do exactly what you say. >> speaking of international space station, what's it like to be up there? you spent some time. >> oh it is awesome. i was superman every day. i flew to breakfast and flew to work. >> what's an average day like? >> it's up at 6:00 have breakfast, you do a little meeting with the ground to talk about what's going to happen for your day, and then you get right to work. you take a coffee break or two. you have lunch. i always ate with my russian crew mates, and then at the end of the day you relaxed and chilled. >> sounds like elizabeth's normal day it office. >> fly right in, although some people call it speeding. i think that these new images are going to be exciting for kids because you look at these photographs, it's sort of the pixelated ones we're getting right now. we'll have these clear images that have never been seen before. it's not like we're -- kids are seeing photographs that have been passed around.

this is new stuff. this is exciting. >> absolutely. i mean it changes textbooks and education, and people don't realize that right? you have to kind of think about that fact that we are changing history and we're changing the way we think about the solar system. >> all right. beautiful. well here's the book for anyone to see. i would say it's probably as you said, no ordinary spaceman. >> you call it the very humble spaceman. >> thank you, guys. it was an honor. >> thank you. >> all right. coming up on america's news headquarters a historic hit for this player that helped the yankee win. we're going to tell you about the very exclusive and in this case a very good club that alex rodriguez has now joined. plus up in the air, several zoo goers find themselves on a bigger and scarier adventure than they planned for. thankfully it wasn't over the lion pit. we'll tell you why coming up next.

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>> i will never talk to her ever again. i will never be able to hold her again. but i forgive you. and have mercy on your soul. >> the state rests its case against james holmes with some emotional and gripping testimony out of denver. now, it's the defense' turn as they get ready to argue he was insane when he opened fire killing dozens in a denver movie theater. >> and streets are looking more like rivers in parts of illinois. a tropical depression dumps as much as 7 inches of rain and it's not over yet. this is a fox news alert. we are following breaking news out of new orleans. a manhunt underway there after a police officer was shot and killed. according to our affiliate there in new orleans, the police officer from the new orleans police department was

transporting a suspect, the suspect grabbed the officer's gun and shot him in the head. according to police officer darrel holloway a 22-year veteran, was killed by a suspect named travis boys 23 years old. a massive moneyanhunt there looking for travis boys 5'11" with a tattoo on the side of his neck. more on the manhunt as it develops. and live images outside of ame church in charleston scene of the horrific shooting that left nine bible study members dead earlier in the week. vigils are planned across and tomorrow people plan to form a human chain stretching across a bridge into charleston. >> and as that happens, meanwhile here in washington the president is calling attention to gun violence in america, both in washington and

he's doing this also on his trip to san francisco as well. his critics say the tragedy in charleston should not be used to score political points. >> if congress had passed some common sense gun safety reform laws after newtown, after a group of children had been gunned down in their own classroom, reforms that 90% of the american people supported, we would haven't prevented every act of violence or even most. we don't know it would have prevented what happened in charleston. no reform can guarantee the elimination of violence but we might still have some more americans with us. we might have stopped one shooter. >> now's not the time in my view to talk about solutions to a problem politically. now's the time to folk on the individual family members in the community. >> the political debate

surrounding the charleston tragedy follows yesterday's dramatic courtroom scene. >> you hurt me. you hurt a lot of people but god forgive you. and i forgive you. >> that was the voice of one of the family members in court yesterday. what was supposed to be an ordinary bond hearing turned into a national drama. the judges in charleston asked family members of those killed in the church shooting if they had anything to say to the court or even to the defendant, dylann roof watching on closed circuit tv from the local jail. and with the pain of their loss still so raw, they as you heard, had a lot to say and it surprised almost everyone watching. rod wheeler, fox news contributor, and former d.c. homicide detective among them. and we all watched yesterday togts. i've covered a lot of these. i know that you've been in a lot of courtrooms. i've never seen anything like

that. >> i've never seen anything like that as well, leland. it was really startling to me though that the judge would give this preamble you know even prior to starting the bond hearing itself. and in addition to that then he had the family members of the de decedents come up and start giving their impact testimony or their impact statements, which is something i have never seen many many years of investigating homicide i have never seen a judge do that or take advantage of family members like that. anytime family members have to confront the devil, as they did yesterday. >> and they were in court, looking up seeing dylann roof the people accused of shooting the their loved ones on the screen. >> the only thing separating them is the screen. anytime they have to do that what that does it rubs the wound that they just experienced. the family members hadn't even buried ones yet, and they're facing the devil. it was really a strange situation. >> it was stunning and what struck so many people were the words of forgiveness and the words of "may god have mercy on

your soul" and "i forgive you," and a number of them said please find this opportunity to find god and repent. what i'm interested in you've spent time with so many victims' families in their worst hours, the two or three days after their loved one has been killed taken from them senselessly and before they're buried are those emotions real that we heard yesterday or are they still in shock? >> i think it's a combination of both. i think those are real. those are some very forgiving people there in south carolina south carolina. >> if it was me i would tell this guy, he should be glad that this glass is separating us. i think those people are very forgiving. they welcomed roof into their bible study with open arms. i'm sure you heard, he even said himself, he thought secondly about shooting these people because they were treating him so kindly and so nicely. i think this is a young man that obviously has a lot of mental issues as well as being filled with hate and evil. >> one of the things that

elizabeth and i have been talking about throughout this is that we're hearing so many more tidbits, continue to filter out over the past couple of days. we were talking, a number of the things that roof told his drinking buddies, that he was planning all this and they didn't take him seriously. >> and when that comes into play when we hear about his friends, i know that he didn't necessarily plan to hit a church initially, and the reports were perhaps that it was a mall or a school. do those friends face any consequences? >> no they don't. obviously, there were warning signs with roof but when you look elizabeth, at all of these cases with mass shooters there's always warning signs. either friends, families coworkers. for some reason people just don't come forward. and there is no repercussions for these people obviously. they should have come forward, they didn't come forward. some of his friends even said they didn't believe him. he wanted to wage war between african-americans and white americans. they should have raised a red

flag. they didn't do it. >> what's next in the investigation, especially as we start to learn more about him? >> the police are going to continue with the investigation, even though he's confessed to all of the murders, there's still a lot of investigation that needs to be done. now that he's lawyered up his attorney says maybe that confession needs to be thrown out for any reason so they'll have to start preparing for that argument as well. >> the police want to get all the evidence they can. >> that's right, they have to. this is going to be an ongoing investigation. >> something else i wanted to get your take on is this manhunt that is going on up in new york state, for these two escaped killers. they've been on the run for two weeks. as far as we know they broke out of jail a maximum security prison that had never been broken out of before and they've been on the run for two weeks. here are the two guys that are on the run. and the police are basically saying they have zero leads. how is that possible? >> yeah this was a well-planned, a well-executed, very sophisticated breakout. >> and their getaway driver

didn't even show up. >> well that getaway driver as far as we know. i think it was someone else leland. i think they had an alternate plan a plan "b." and i think the woman, her name was joyce mitchell you know, she got cold feet at the last minute. i think she believed they were going to kill her as well and that's why she backed eded out. >> and a plan to kill her husband, possibly. >> kill both of them probably. >> now that you have both of these guys down on the road for all we know they could be down in cabo sipping a corona now. is there anything police can do except hope they screw up or somebody phones in a tip? >> i can tell you from firsthand knowledge, the u.s. marshals service does a tremendous job, and even though we may not know all of the details in terms of their investigation and finding these two guys they're of on their tail i think. they have a lot of leads and they'll follow up on each and every one of them and i think it's a matter of time before they get them. these guys can run, but they can't hide. >> how much does it help that

they've been added to the fbi's most wanted list? >> it definitely helps. because it raises the bar and brings people more aware of these individuals. it definitely is going to help the investigation. >> let's hope no one's injured or hurt. >> or that they don't hurt anybody else on the run. obviously, these guys are desperate at this point. rod wheeler, we appreciate your insight. obviously your time over the past couple of days has been valuable. >> thank you, sir. >> thanks. changing gears, the fight against isis is costing the american taxpayers about $9 million a day. that's according to the latest pentagon numbers, and it doesn't even include the contribution from coalition forces and the fight against the islamic extremists and the battle is nowhere near over. john joins us now with the latest on what's happening in both syria and iraq. john? >> reporter: well well elizabeth, u.s. officials have said it could take several years, military commanders saying it could take several

years at least to defeat isis on the ground. obviously, there's been as we've been hearing, a lot of concern about whether the u.s. is and the coalition's air strikes on isis has really being done enough to help iraqi ground forces. but that said let me bring you up to speed. u.s. air strikes did continue. the u.s. launched air strikes on isis positions in both iraq and syria yesterday. the latest numbers we have is that there were 16 in iraq, 6 in syria, again, on isis vehicles on militant positions, and on command and control centers. iraqi ground forces remain locked in battle in particular according to the latest reports in the anbar province which is in western iraq and also the bloody tug-of-war continues for control of the city of ramadi. remember, isis militants took control of ramadi several weeks ago, and that has been an ongoing vicious, and bloody fight. in syria, some better news. kurdish forces according to some of the latest reports, have

made gains against isis in the northeastern part of the country, taking control of some more town zps vills and villages there. but syria's civil war continues to rage as well. not only do you have isis in syria, but also the ongoing civil war that's been going on for several years between rebel forces battling syrian president bashar al assad's government and military. this has been a vicious fight. there have been hundreds if not thousands of civilian casualties. and that has been growing in recent weeks, as the fighting has been intensifying as well. we've heard just in the last week and a half about hundreds of men, women, and children being killed in some of these areas. and there's also been spillover from the civil war, from the fighting in syria, into israel into israel's golan heights. remember israel shares a border with syria in the northeastern part of the country. and tonight there is growing concern among israeli officials about syrian refugees that are gathered along the border in syria with israel some of which

have already been killed some of which have already been killed by the al qaeda-linked al nusra rebels there. so prime minister benjamin netanyahu said this week that israel will take whatever necessary action to protect those people. and at this point, elizabeth, israel's military remains on high alert in the golan heights. >> john thank you. we appreciate it. as john reported the fighting has sent syrian refugees fleeing into all of the neighboring countries in lebanon. more than a million syrians are seeking shelter in refugee camps just like this one across the border from syria. i have been to some of them in jordan and they are difficult places to see the least. it's estimated that nearly half of syria's population has left the country due to the fighting. >> well it's really it's a tragic marker. we are now approaching 50 million people in the world today who are forced to leave this place from their homes.

they've had to leave because of conflict or persecution. it's the largest we've ever seen. the increase over the last two years has been you know, significant. >> and it appears to only be getting worse. the united nations says worldwide, there are nearly 60 million people displaced because of conflict. and now we want to hear from you. what more should we be doing to fight the home-grown terror threat from isis? obviously, they've been able to consolidate their gains in iraq and syria and they threaten the homeland or their sympathizers do on a daily basis. you can send us your tweets @elizabethprann or @lelandvittert. we've already got a number of them in. we'll read some of your thoughts coming up here later in the show. and several u.s. senators are showing their support for ukraine's struggle against russian-backed separatists. senators john mccain john barrasso and tom cotton were in kiev on an official visit.

they're urging the u.s. government and the world to provide ukraine's soldiers with new weapons. just this week congress passed the national defense authorization act, which includes a provision, giving $300 million for ukrainian security assistance. >> we will urge the president of the united states to implement the will of congress and the will of the american people. and that is to provide ukrainian government and people with the ability to defend themselves against the naked aggression of vladimir putin. >> u.s. military advisers are already training the ukrainian military. 300 american paratroopers arrived there in april to train the ukrainian national guard. from the fox news extreme weather center fierce floods are wreak havoc in southwest illinois and it may still get worse this summer. the streets in one town near the missouri border were covered

with up to 7 inches of rain. evidently, all this moisture has come from tropical depression bill. emergency workers had to rescue dozens of the people who were trapped in their homes, and it's not over yet. more rain is in the forecast and the storms we're told are heading for the east coast. the state has rested its case against james holmes the man who opened fire in a suburban denver movie theater, killing 12 people and wounded dozens more. it ended with gripping testimony from one of the victims. next week the defense gets its turn. alicea kunya has the story. >> reporter: week eight in the trial of james them began with the judge releasing two more jurors. juror 901 a relative who was recently shot. >> i have some concerns about your brother-in-law's situation and how that might affect you in this case. you weren't completely forth coming with me the first day. the second day, you told me this was a shooting. the first day, you said it was

an accident >> reporter: the other, juror 267, knows at least one witness who testified. >> i think miss carbondale recognized you when she told you about it. >> reporter: a total of five let go to date leaving 19 jurors and alternates. psychologist tim fenton who saw the gunman in the months leading up to the attack and prescribed him medicine took the stands. >> he angrily was asking why won't you tell me what your philosophy of life was. i told you all my ideas. >> reporter: the psychiatrist explained, while she had concerns about holmes' mental state, it did not rise to the level of having him committed. >> why couldn't have you just grabbed him and put him into a hold? what did you need? >> one is evidence that it's not just a thought, but they have a plan. they're moving towards action on those thoughts. and then the second thing is there has to be a specific target. and he all along, had denied

both of those. >> holmes' mailed dr. fenton his notebook filled with plans for mass murder the package intercepted only afterwards. jurors also heard from one of his only friends at grad school. >> did you ever find him to be a hasty decision maker? >> i did not. he was very deliberate in his choices. >> reporter: as expected the prosecution rested with some of the most gripping testimony, that of ashley moser, survivor and mother of the youngest victim 6-year-old veronica moser sullivan. >> as soon as i stood up i just remember getting a hit in my chest and i remember falling and landing on top of her. >> do you know what hit you in the chest? >> no. i thought it was a firework at the time. >> reporter: in addition to losing veronica moser was paralyzed and suffered a miscarriage. >> when you fell on top of her, could you feel her moving?

>> no. >> could you feel her breathing? >> no. >> could you get off of her? >> no. i tried but i couldn't move. >> reporter: after eight weeks and nearly 300 witnesses, the prosecution rested. next thursday the defense team calls its first witness to the stand. in denver alicia acuna, fox news. we have a fox news alert, more breaking developments out of new orleans, where a manhunt is underway for a suspect who shot and killed a veteran police officer. our local station there is reporting that the officer, this person here darryl holloway died this morning after the suspect he was transporting grabbed his gun and then shot him in the head. holloway pictured here was a 22-year veteran of the new

orleans police department. police say the man who shot him was 33-year-old travis boys. obviously, that was the wrong photo. we're working on trying to get you a mug shot of this 33-year-old black suspect, 5'11" inches with a tattoo on his left arm, who allegedly shot the police officer there, in the head with his own gun in new orleans. that manhunt is continuing. we're going to keep you availed with anytime, any developing -- any breaking developments. obviously, i want to apologize for the wrong pictures that came up a little bit earlier in this story. and we're going to work on bringing you that mug shot of 33-year-old travis boys still on the run. still to come on "america's news headquarters," u.n.-led talks for a cease-fire between yemen's warring parties goes nowhere, as you might expect. and saudi air strikes continue. we're going to have the latest of what this means for security here at home. plus a police car's dash

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the growing civil war in yemen puts the country at the center of a much larger power struggle in the middle east. and today, saudi-led coalition

air strikes hit yemen's capital, international airport, and a nearby air force base. >> the fighting in yemen has become a proxy battle between u.s.-backed saudi arabia and iran. this as the united states tries to broker an iran nuclear agreement, so for deeper insight into the complicated web, we turn to former ambassador to bahrain, vice president of mercury consulting now, adam airaline. mr. ambassador appreciate you joining us here. trying to figure out all of this could take a few hours, maybe a few days to put it in perspective. but help us understand broad picture, why does yemen matter to america? >> let's start with geography. as you know yemen is at the strait of hormuz -- sorry, the baba mendez. so every ship that goes through the suez canal also goes through a narrow sea lane of about 50 miles or less between egypt and yemen. that is a choke point for international commerce that's number one.

number two, think of it like the united states and mexico saudi arabia and yemen have a 1,000-mile border. >> we get a lot of oil from saudi arabia. >> well the entire security of the gulf depends on saudi arabia. it's the largest country in terms of geography, it's the richest country, and it's the most populous country. so if the united states had a civil war in a country on its southern border in mexico and mexicans were attacking the united states we'd be pretty world. that's how saudi arabia looks at it. >> so what i'm hearing you say is instability in yem snen is instability in the middle east. if there is progress with the cease-fire is that really going to be a solution? are we really going to see peace there? >> a cease-fire is just that. it's not a solution it's just an agreement for everybody to stop shooting each other and start talking. what they end up as a result of the negotiations is wide open. but we're not even there yet. and frankly, talk of a cease-fire i think, is

premature at this point. none of the sides in the yemeni civil war, let's call it the civil war, are ready to lay down their arms because they're all trying to gain an advantage over the other and take that into the negotiations. we have a map up on the screen right now that talks about the sort of current battle situation there inside yemen, and one of the big controlling factor there is al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. up until recently september, president obama said yemen was a success story in the war on terror. and one of the real issue has been do we still have eyes and ears on the ground to go out aqap and try to take out the people who are most likely to launch attacks against the united states. given how dysfunctional yemen has become are we going to ever be able to put humpty dumpty back together again and all of a sudden have a real counterterrorism program inside yemen? >> number one, we don't have eyes on the ground anymore, so

al qaeda in the arain yabbian peninsula and isil now have free rein to plot their attacks against u.s. and the rest of the world. so that is a great danger. are we going to be able to put humpty dumpty back together again? i would give it a less than even chance. >> from a diplomat a less than even chance is not good. >> no especially from an optimistic diplomat. why do i say that? i think the complex weapon of tribes of ethnicities, of regional differences between south and north is really too far gone. and the other thing you have now, in the last couple of months that wasn't there before were the outside powers involved. iran is using yemen as a stalking horse for its influence in the region. saudi arabia has finally started to take an active role in events in the gulf. they used to do it behind the scenes with money, but now they're actually putting their troops on the line and using

their forces to affect events in yemen, as are the other gtc nations. so with that combustible mix of internal disintegration and external involvement, that just makes the task all the more difficult. >> speaking of difficult, and perhaps you can clear this up for me we have obviously, saudi arabia dropping air strikes against the houthi rebels which are allegedly backed by iran what is the u.s. end goal here? on the side we're trying to develop and work on negotiated peace treaty with iran but at the same time in yemen, we're fighting with them. >> yes, let's be clear. the peace deal -- or the nuclear deal. let's not call it a peace deal. the nuclear deal with iran takes precedence for this administration over everything. and that deal from what i understand is almost done. so the administration is not going to let anything distract

it from concluding a deal with ran. >> especially not a civil war in yemen? >> especially not a civil war in yemen. but secondly i would say, in fairness to the administration there's not that much they can do to direct or influence events in yemen, given how complicated it is. given how difficult it is. and given how far along the crisis is. i think what the united states is really focusing on is then-led efforts to bring about a cease-fire and bring about negotiations. remember there's a u.n. special envoy. ban ki-moon was in geneva this week with that special envoy trying to bring the parties together and the united states is supporting that process. so what we're really trying to do is keep it on the low burner so it doesn't boil over. let's get the deal with iran which we think will bring more stability to the region. i don't know if i agree with that and then we can pivot and address some of these festering conflicts. but the bottom line is it

behooves all to have stability. >> america should care about yemen for two reasons. one is the threat to global commerce including oil. number two, the prospect of the unrest in yemen, spreading to the rest of the gulf including saudi arabia our allies in the uae and qatar, and creating what would be an even worse situation than we have today. >> ambassador thank you. really interesting. thank you. >> we understand more and feel worse, but thank you, sir. >> my pleasure i guess. all right. coming up a wild ride. how one car's dramatic arrival at a chipotle gave a whole new meaning to the term drive-through. i wonder if he got his burrito. plus the donald launches his presidential campaign and trumps the coverage of all other gop candidates. so should we take him seriously or is he turning the 2016 race into his own reality show? our political panel weighs in, coming up. i've smoked a lot and quit a lot

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a dozen announced candidates in t gop primaries, the latest announcement came from real estate mogul and reality tv star donald trump, who did not enter quietly. >> if you don't have great leadership if you don't have people that know business not just the political hacks that got the job because you made a contribution to a campaign which is the way all jobs just about are gotten free trade is terrible. free trade can be wonderful if you have smart people. but we have people that are stupid. >> trump's speech came a day after a rival candidate and former florida governor jeb bush announced his much-anticipated campaign. is the donald a serious candidate? democratic strategist joe

lucingi and adam pryor join me now for a fair and balanced debate. some of the sound bites i have to chuckle a little bit. i want to start with you, joe, because we heard donald trump earlier this week, he was criticizeing jeb bush. and i don't know what is more condescending when he was criticizing jeb bush or then when he went back and apologized because he said he felt like he roughed him up. >> this is primary politics at its best right. they'll eventually have to go after each other, because they'll have to draw contrasts. the worst thing that came out of this was a statement he made during that speech when he talked about mexicans being rapists and things along those lines, and no republican had stood up to him yet. and that's a problem. and i think jeb actually had an excellent opportunity to take a stand for his hispanic community in his home state of florida and begin to squash donald trump's hopes. >> what do you think about the back and forth? what's your response? >> well, you know, i think what joe says the worst things about the comments that hillary clinton immediately tried to

politicize those by connecting them to the tragedy in charleston. that's appalling. that's more of the same of hillary clinton trying to score points and doing whatever it takes to get elected. it's sad. >> speaking of hillary clinton, she did get into the fray this week and we have heard donald hit her pretty hard too. but do you think she's going to come out swinging a little bit harder against republicans and the fact there are so many in the field? >> right now she's got to come out swinging against bernie sanders. this is somebody within ten points of her in new hampshire, is drawing bigger crowds than she is and he pulled her so far to the left on state trade, something she supported, and now she's trying to cute her way out by saying things like this is a process vote in order to appeal to her democratic base. >> it's funny, because we're talking about her being, quote, to the left but donald trump, the most recent announcement was so anti-trade in his speech

you're wondering, where do white middle class, blue-collar workers go that are anti-trade usually, now. they are competing if the republican party against this anti-trade wing but that's almost kind of like we'll circle back to where we just said hillary was. so it's an interesting fight to see this coming out. donald is shaking up this field. and he is going to make the 12 candidates duke it out. >> but hillary didn't really come out with a instead fast opinion on the trade deal. >> she came out with plenty of instead fast opinions when she was secretary of state, when she was 100% backing this trade deal. and now she just won't give an answer. she will not give an answer she does not want to be tied down because she's hoping when the general election comes around she can change her position and the internet will somehow forget. but it's not going to. we're in 2016. they're going to remember how far to the left she went and she'll pay the price in the general. >> do you think she's flip-flopping or has the potential to flip-flop? >> as the secretary of state,

she has a job. and when you are a cabinet level member your job is to work for the president. the president asks for you to comment and represent him. so i think on this position she's come out with what the house, nancy pelosi and the minority leader have come out in support of that position. on the legislative fight, they're not going to fast track this bill they'll have a real debate and it will come up for a vote. >> i do want to squeeze in one more question because it's fitting for the time. i'll go to you, ian. we see the freedom and faith coalition hitting d.c. and a lot of the republican candidates are trying to reach the evangelical voter. at the same time i read a report this week that not many americans or as many as americans are identifying themselves as christians but we still see a huge push by contenders to reach that vote. why is it so important? >> i think it remains an important vote in both the republican primary and in the general election. and i think christian values whether people identify as christians or not, are still something that's important in america.

and i think republicans and democrats will be wise to embrace that as well. >> i don't see many m thedemocrats. >> this is interesting. millennials will soon be the largest generation in the voting bloc identify less with particular religions and more as spiritual. this push for evangelicals is soot symptom of the republican party's push for their base in the primary. and it's important. if i was a candidate or advising a candidate in the primary, this is my go-to. this is the group that is steadfast, reliable and if i win them i win the nomination. and that's the first step. and when we get to the general, they're going to have to nuance that. the evangelicals do take some positions that force them to then come to their side whether it be on choice or women's issues or in some cases, even immigration issues and things along those lines. >> luckily it's a marathon so we'll have a lot more of these discussions. thanks for joining us. appreciate it. you won't want to miss former texas governor rick perry on fox news sunday tomorrow to

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i spoke with her earlier this week about her son. >> in his case it was a long drawn-out process. he converted to islam after a bout of depression and he was trying to find a faith that he could connect with. and that went on for about three years. then he moved to a different part of the city. and when he was in a different part of the city he met some new people that introduced him to the ideology that then brought him to syria. >> did you ever go through a phase where you were look back and saying did i do sympathetic wrong? and in retrospect do you feel like there's something you could have done to prevent this? >> it was a combination of things. the fact that i didn't understand this phenomenon was, i didn't even know to look for that. and with regard to his faith, originally when he converted, he was peaceful, it had done some positive things for him. so to see the transition and the change and to not really what that meant, there was a lot of guilt associated with that. but he was just passionate about

helping save women and children from bashar al asad and it wouldn't have taken much to convince him it was the right thing to do. >> was it more him being radicalized by folks there in calgary, or was he following all these social media straeleams and getting this propaganda direct from isis? >> it's different in early case. when he first started, they didn't have as much propaganda and isis wasn't a brand by itself when he came over. initially when he went over it was just al nusra and the factions were apart and that's when isis became the stronghold it is today. he was studying with a group of young men who introduced him to the ideology but then they had propaganda to reinforce the messages that they were trying to give him. >> what's your message to parents of children who have for whatever reason decided to convert to islam, in many cases, a very peaceful religion? >> i think the key is awareness and education and understanding what it looks like if they have

a change in behavior. we as parents can usually get a gut feeling that something's not right. >> did you have that gut feeling about your son? >> i had a gut feeling that something was going on that wasn't right, but i thought it was a phase, and we often do that as parents, thinking, okay we can chalk it up as a phase and they'll come around. and we need to stop doing that and hiding behind these curtains and veils, thinking someone will judge our parenting and looking for outside help. >> do you think there's enough realization in the west about what a threat isis is. so many say, if only we were a little bit nicer or understanding about the muslim faith, this would go away or is this something that needs to be dealt with in a much harsher way by western governments than how it's being dealt with right now. >> i think right now, western governments is taking a rigid stand, which is pushing our kids further in that direction, as any extremist movement and i

don't think this is the last extremist movement you'll see. part of our dialogue is educating across the broad spectrum. and you can be certain there are other groups sitting back waiting, saying well isis has all of the attention, so we can work on the back end and prepare our movement and get stronger. though we have to get educated and we have to do prevention and more interventions, early on set, before it gets there. >> if you want to learn more about christine bordeaux's efforts to help families with warning signs of islamic radicalization you can go to the screen on your address there. still ahead, we'll have the latest on the fatal shootings of a new orleans police officer. plus this story out of texas. a police car's dash cam captures a suspect's truck going airborne. you're not going to believe what happens next.

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our affiliate in new orleans is reporting that the officer, daryl holaway died this morning after the suspect he was transporting somehow grabbed his gun and shot him in the head. this is the correct photo of officer holloway who so many in new orleans are mourning today, a 22-year veteran of the police force. we obviously apologize for showing that incorrect image earlier. holloway spent 22 years on the new orleans police department. his survivors include his mother as well as his children. police say the man who shot him was 33-year-old travis'3"-year-old travis boys. 5'11", with a tattoo on his left arm. law enforcement officers are searching for him right now. they obviously describe him as armed and dangerous after allegedly taking that police officer's gun. we're going to keep you updated on this story as it develops. and obviously if you have seen this man in new orleans, call police immediately.

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we'll see you tomorrow. >> thanks for joining us. hello everybody. we begin this hour with a fox news alert. a manhunt is underway at this hour in new orleans for a suspect police say shot and killed a police officer who was transporting him. now, police are saying that the suspect travis boiz grabbed officer daryl holloway's gun and then shot him in the head. police say he's about 5'11" with a tattoo on the left side of his neck. officer holloway is a 22-year veteran with the new orleans police department. we'll bring you new developments as they happen. turning now to charleston. it is a day of remembr