world fair. but not the for long. fair goers were given slices for free. >> i was going to say, not a mile long now. >> and i just started my diet again. might be a slice. that's it. >> the five oig is next. breaking tonight, as we learn new details about the man charged in this crime, his scheme and reported confession. welcome, everybody. over the past 48 hour we have seen communities across the country stunned. the children grandchildren, friends and loved ones of the charleston victims beginning to speak out now. on which in incredibly powerful ways. here is chris singleton who lost his mom. >> my mom was a god fearing woman. she loved everybody with all her heart.

i'm sorry if what happened. i know things will get better as time goes on. i want to thank you for reaching out to me. >> an impressive young man. and tim jackson lost his 87-year-old grandother mother. >> it's hard to process. it's really, really hard. it's challenging because i don't believe that she deserved to kind of go this way. >> and the pastor is him remembered as a force in that community. >> he is the leader that brought the zeal and energy to our church and he will be extremely missed in this community and especially as a leader of our church. >> an amazing person. the nation and law enforcement now turning their full focus on

the case at hand of this alleged shooter. last night we learned from a woman who spoke to one of the survivor that the killer allegedly allowed one woman to live so that she tell his story. >> he told one of the elderly members, he asked did i shoot you and he said no. >> he asked her if he had shot her? >> yes. and she said no. and he said good. because we need a survivor because i'm going to kill myself. >> policy of this program not to name names or show the faces of mass murderers, but we are interested in getting to the bottom of this new debate that has now sparked over the issues of violence and race in this country. mike tobin joins us live. mike. >> reporter: just a short time ago, we heard from the mayor of charleston describes the suspect as heinous and hateful, this as video has surfaced shot by one of the victims himself, showing the suspect in the church

surrounded by the very people he was gunned down in cold blood just a short time later. and reports surfaced quoting an anonymous law enforcement source saying he almost waved off his own attack because the people in that church were so nice to him. there were indicators in the runup that he was hateful, he was trouble, that he could do something violent. wofrpt few friends he had took away high school .the 45 caliber handgun, ultimately gave it back to him when he sobered up. a few friends he had say they did hear hateful language coming from him and ramping up in the days leading up to the murders. here is joseph meeks. >> he just told me that the black people was taking over the country and that he wanted to be segregation. >> reporter: and buried if the reports about his february arrest for trespassing is an indication of strong drug use found on his person something people use when they're hooked

on openiates. available by prescription and also on the black market. >> so while the city focuses on healing, some are in intense engagements over how to characterize the shooter and the role of race. one columnist writing, quote shooters of color are calmed terrorists and thugs. why are white shooters called mentally ill? joining me now for more on that senator tim scott from south carolina. senator, welcome. thank you and our thoughts are with you and the whole community there. i know it's a very difficult time for everybody in south carolina. so let me start with that. >> we certainly appreciate your prayers for our state and for certainly the charleston community at large. >> let me talk to you about what we just mentioned in terms of this editorial. what do you make of that characterization is it true in your mind? >> i think what is true is that we have a man who committed a

heinous crime and it seemed like his heart was completely filled with late and it scrambled his mind. i think pundits out there trying to figure out why he did what he did, perhaps that's a good line of conversation for someone. for me what i'm looking at is a community that is suffering because of his actions. there are nine people that lost their lives. for me what is important is that our law enforcement did a fantastic job of bringing this guy about in. i look forward to seeing how our community comes together and deals with the challenges. i'm optimistic that we'll have a very strong response from the community here in south carolina and charleston. how you label the perpetrator is not top of the mind for me. >> understood. there is all this discussion when we look at these issues as to whether or not what is terrorism, is it accurate to call him a terrorist. but you make a great point because i think the most important thing right now are these victims and their families. and what is quite clear to

everyone is that this was an evil evil act on the part of this young man and questions will be raised down the road about whether or not he was mentally ill, whether he was part of a larger organization whether this is part of a bigger picture. but for now it seems fitting that we stay focused on those who were lost as you point out, sir. and i guess in keeping with that the president pretty much immediately went to the issue of gun control bemoaning the fact that he would never be able to pass real gun control legislation at the federal level. what do you say about that senator? >> i think the president is off base on this one. the fact of the matter is what type of gun law would have made this situation not occur? frankly, he was already breaking gun laws that currently exist when he went into a church with a gun, as a person charged with a felony he had a gun. so the laws were already broken. to suggest that there is somehow a way for us to specifically stop this occurrence with gun legislation seems to be

inconsistent with the facts as we know them on the ground. he had a hand gun. this was not an automatic weapon. so there is really no conversation to be had that somehow these gun laws that we have are not working. the fact is that as gun laws in force, frankly it's not an enforcement issue, had the guy obeyed the gun law, we would not be here. but the challenge is that laws are created for a just society. this guy was not trying to be a part of a just society. >> i want to go back to the issue that was in that editorial for a moment though. because there was an effort it feels right away to sort of make this a part of a bigger very troubled history that has existed, this is a black church, it was attacked by a young man who has espoused thoughts of segregationism and white supremacy. so when you heard about this crime and when you think about it now do you see it as a part

of that continuum, as a part of that difficult history, or as something that appears to be separate from that? >> i think the fatherct of the matter is that people all around the country and world struggle with different types and different levels of prejudice and certainly racism is a real fact. it has not been eliminated. but we have made so much progress. what i hear in the question very often is not analysis of the individual but an attempt to drag us back to a yesteryear. i think it's very important for us to, say, yes, this guy's activity motivations were racist without any question. racism was in his heart and he said he needed to do something toward black folks. and he carried out a vicious attack. but to try to put that label on south carolina and/or on people at large i think is inconsistent with the experience that so many of us have had here in south carolina. we've made so much progress that we should be talking about. unfortunately, in the midst of a tragic situation, people's minds

go in all directions. and understandable to some extent but i'm trying to focus on facts and helping my community restore, heal and come back together. >> it's a wonderful community charleston. it's a great american city. and when you hear that heartbreaking part of the story that he almost didn't do it because the people in that church were so nice to him, it really does break your heart. senator, thank you very much. good to have you with us take. >> thank you very much. president obama last night went to a beverly hills fund-raiser and he again spoke angrily over the issue of gun control. we did some fact checking on what the administration has done on this issue and what it has not. plus an amazing story of one woman's brave role in helping to capture the charleston shooter. what a dramatic story this is. you'll hear directly from her in a hospital. and then the teenaged son of one of the church shooting victims had a moment yesterday

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we don't have all the facts, but we do know once again innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. at some point we as a country will have to regular on with the fact that this type of mass violence does that happen in other advanced countries. it doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency frequency. at some point it will be important for the american people to come to grips with it. and for us to be able to shift how we think about the issue of gun violence collectively. >> president obama yesterday commenting on the tragedy in charleston expressing sorrow for the victims and then turning to the issue of gun control. even while his critics were asking whether it was too soon to start that conversation in the wake of this horrific conversation.

the president then traveled to two california fund-raisers last night and raised the issue again, this time with some big names from hollywood joining in. joining us now senior adviser for americans for solutions. and staffer for congresswoman gaby gaby gifford. good to have you both. the president talked about the fact that people believe this is a problem in the united states and that is at least in part due to lax gun laws. what say you? >> well, two things. first of all, it's not because of lack of laws. and i'll get to that in a second. but secondly the president said this didn't happen elsewhere. that's categorically and provably untrue. the worst mass shooting in the word happened in norway with tough gun laws. three of the worst school shootings were in germany who has tough gun law. britain has a much higher rate of violent crime than the united states. the president is just factually

off base. the president has been banging on the gun law for the last several years. the fact is there were already laws being broken that the president could enforce by picking up the phone and calling his attorney general or loretta lynch and say, listen get out there and start enforcing these law. i could give you a couple examples. it was illegal for this shooter, this killer, to go into that church with a gun. it was illegal for him to carry a concealed weapon. it was illegal for him to buy a gun because he was already facing a drug accusation that would have row hinted him from clearing the background check. so the -- >> all true. >> do you believe the president's wrong in this case? >> well, the president was talking simply about mass shootings, which, yes occur very very frequently in this country. and as he said don't occur as frequently in other developed nations. this is a fact of life in this country that needs to be addressed.

but -- >> they do occur in other nations. >> he never said they don't. >> maybe they happen to a greater extent here but i don't really see how that's relevant when you kind of break it down the way that lars just mentioned. and that is that we have laws on the books that are not enforced. so to say that some other effort other than enforcing what is on the book is going to make a difference and i don't even know frankly if those would make a difference. >> there a lot that needs to happen. we need to enforce the laws that are on the books. he we need to pass common sense laws that protect responsible gun owners' rights but also go after the loopholes that allow people to get weapons that shouldn't have them. but it's also about your family and community. this was a person clearly suffering from serious mental illnesses. he had delusions of committing this horrible crime and starting a race war and yet his family either his father bought the gun for him, but people know that this person had a gun and he shouldn't have had it. so this isn't an answer just

simply the government regulating our laws. >> the only people, lars who had any inkling that he was up to anything would have been his family and his friends who may have had some clues. and we heard from the one young man who said that he thought he was going awry something was wrong. but really, who thinks that the person that they know is capable of this? >> well, even when they do martha the problem is i've heard from plenty of families who say we called the police we said our son, our daughter, usually our son, is at risk of doing something crazy. and the police will say reasonably there is nothing we can do until that person has actually broken the law or has demonstrated that he's a danger to himself or others. let me tell you one law that i'd love to hear pia's take on that helped people put at risk in that church. there is a law in south carolina that says law abiding citizens cannot legally carry a concealed weapon in a church. gun free zones are dangerous

places to be. virtually all of the mass shootings in america have happened in gun free zones. and where there are people who are lawfully and legally armed, these kinds of shootings have been stopped. >> we have to go. i want to give pia a quick chance to respond. >> let me just say i don't think that's necessarily true. most people are not able to respond that quickly to an instance where there is war literally war -- >> they don't have a chance if they can't have a concealed weapon. >> well, okay. but let me just say one thing. there is something that can be done about stopping a family member or friend that you think is about to commit a crime. it's called the gun violence restraining order. and more and more states are considering this. so we talk about how big the laws are and i think that's just a way of really debasing the conversation. but the truth is there are other laws that can be passed to help address this problem. california has done it with the gun violence restraining orders. this is a case if south carolina would have had that law, it could have been the difference last week. >> if the people around him were prone to enact it.

thank you very much pia and lars. so while this gun control debate rages organization the president is pushing back against questions about why he personally hasn't done more to make this happen. when speaking at that beverly hills fund-raiser last night, he mentioned the gun issue and said quote, when i ran in 2008 i in fact did not say i would fix it. i said we could fix collectively as a group in congress and in the white house. joining me now, chris who has tracked the president's campaign. so how is he doing? >> well, as evidenced by his frustration, as evidenced by the rueful statements that he made both in washington and out in beverly hills, not well. and he knows it. remember we started this process in 2009 in april of 2009 in binghamton new york there was a mass shooting at an immigration center. it was a nightmare.

and there was an all democratic congress and the president did not use that moment that was the first time first incidence of these kinds of mass killings that took place during his presidency. he had an all democratic controlled congress and he didn't pig itck it up then and we didn't hear about it until we got to newtown, connecticut. >> i remember the president saying after newtown that there was a potent mix of things that went into that, that violent video games, that we have seen time and time again that these young men are spending hours and hours sort of indoctrineateing their brains with this stuff combined with mental ill nthsness, drugs taken for mental illness. i think there will be a lot that we'll learn about this man, a history of drug use, and you combine with that access of somebody that already has those two boxes checked access to a gun. but i hear precious little from the president about the other two legs of that stool, chris. >> well, remember it is very hard for people who are in

government and who believe in the power of government to emil you're rate the problems of the world for these people to say to that there are things to which government cannot speak and cannot address.say to that there are things to which government cannot speak and cannot address. a brokenness that people identify in our culture that leaves this void that leaves this space where not only people feel this way, but that their friends and neighbors don't take action to prevent it. that is the reality that it is very hard to talk about a government program. >> a great point. and i position aboutthink about the campaign in the cities to stop terrorism, if you see something, say something. and maybe we need a similar credo to live by when it comes to people within our own communities and sometimes in our own families. chris, thank you very much. good to have you here today. so less than 24 hours after the charleston shooting people were trying to place blame on gun laws. and on the media, as well. and one case even on the

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a a a north carolina woman debbie dills is being hailed a hero in this story as the world learns that she spotted the alleged charleston shooter's black hyundai on the highway nearly 300 miles from the crime scene. mrs. dills trailed him for 35 miles until the police captured him. earlier she told her story on

"fox & friends." >> watching fox news fox and "friends" yesterday morning, i had paid close attention actually the night before when i heard about the shooting aboutand "friends" yesterday morning, i had paid close attention actually the night before when i heard about the shooting about and my heart went out to the people there and i don't know why i paid closer attention. i'm calling it divine intervention. i believe god had a plan in it. as i was driving to work i was running late i look over and i seen the car and it looked familiar to me and i wondered why. and now as i look back over i suppose the pictures that i seen on the news. but i actually went past him and i seen the south carolina tag on the back of it and i seen the white tag on the front of his car. and the bowl haircut. i got a little nervous, i'll be honest with you. i'm not a hero and i'm not brave. i got a little nervous. but i just started talking to the lord about it and then i got off and i got off at the exit to come on into king's mountain and

i started thinking about it what if it really was him. i wasn't sure it was him and i didn't want to get anybody else in trouble or be overreacting. so i called my boss. and he said, well we need to call somebody. and he got on the phone with the king's mountain police. and he stayed on the phone with me and he told me to go back on the 74 by pass and that's what i did and i was able to catch up with him and get right behind him and get his tag number. and the king's mountain police and the shelby city police caught him within a matter of minutes. and it was him. so god is the hero. he just used me. if we are a willing vessel he can use us, but we have to open up our hearts and our minds. and i don't know why he chose me and he chose todd and he chose us to do this. but he's got to be glorified in all, in everything. and he's going to get the glory one way or the other.

and i hope it's through me and i hope he's pleased with me. i want him to be pleaseded with with me more than anything else. >>. just ahead, the powerful message from a teenager who lost his mom in the attack. and then dr. ben carson got national attention to his response to the shooting. up next we'll show you why. >> i hope we the american people can come to the understanding that we are not each other's enemies. the enemies are those who are stoking the flames of division.

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calling for national unity. watch this. you know we have a war on women, race wars, income wars age wars religious wars. anything you can imagine, we have a war on it. and we're giving people license to hate people who disagree with them. to do to destroy their lives. to even try to destroy them. a house divided against itself cannot stand. i hope we the american people can come to the understanding that we are not each other's enemies. the enemies are those who are stoking the flames of division trying to divide us into every category. and weakening us as a society. we have succumbed to the purveyors of division in all of those different categories including race. and it's going to be up to us the people to begin to focus on the positive things, on the things that we have in common and stop listening to those who are stoking the fires of

division. as long as there are people with small minds, you'll have these kinds of problems. but we cannot generalize and say because this happened you know the whole place is going to pot. let's be optimistic and let's look at the ways that we can solve these problems together. >> joined thousand by rich lowry and alan colmes. alan alan dr. ben carson has a wave saying things and pointing fingers without exactly saying who he's pointing the fingers at. but here's what i take take away from what he said. he basically talked about people about pushing the war on women and people pushing the race divide in this kuchb.country. i position about the democrat he can national convention the war on women issue which worked very well for them in that tile. and then all the cases we've had across this country that seem to have very quickly become about

race issues you know to the expense of the facts in some of the cases that we've been talk about in recent months. what do you think? >> i think mr. carson does point fingers and he's the worst possible messenger. he wants to see us doing that, get a mmirror. this is a guy who called problem a psychopath. when clarify, he called him a liar. he said obamacare is the worst thing that's happened since slavery. if that's not stoking the flames i don't know what is. ben carson is not the person for the message because he hasn't lived by it. >> rich, what do you think? >> i think he regrets some of those comments and he says in the future he will be more careful and politics in his words. but his basic point is correct. the left lives on a divide and conquer strategy. and part of the play is stoking fears.

you look at this shooting no one supports it. it's not about the confederate flag. it's not about white privilege. it's about the hatred and evil of one man and that's it. but immediately, you know, the bodies aren't cold and you have people out there scoring, trying to are score political points off it. and it's frankly disgusting. >> the naacp has said they want to ban the confederate flag, they don't want to be flown anywhere. there was a dispute in the media that happened with congressman mark sanford and a reporter who wanted him to basically say that they wouldn't use the confederate flag anywhere in south carolina anymore. so that does sort of make it about the larger issue instantly before the bodies are cold as rich says, alan. is that fair is that appropriate at this time? >> sure. i mean you just had mike huckabee said if only they had conceal carry, that might have helped solve the problem. if that's not taking a preliminary stance to promote one's own agenda i don't know

what is. you can't just blame liberals for this. this is clearly something both sides -- and by the way, of course the conradtfederate flag contributes, guns mental illness. when you put all those things together, you can't discount any of those elements. >> whatever you think of the confederate flag and i'm not a fan, there is nothing about the flag itself that incites people to commit mass murder. otherwise confederate w memorial would be inciting mass murders all over the country. it doesn't happen. it's bizarre one off committed by a sick loser. >> i said that is one of a number of things in this what is it a toxic cocktail. >> a flag doesn't -- >> i said it's one of a number of things. >> exactly. and what you said is wrong. >> of course you think so. >> a flag doesn't cause someone to sit in a prayer meeting for

an hour and then stand up and shoot people. >> i didn't say that. >> the very hint of it saying it's part of the cocktail is completely absurd. >> the problem with that is alan is saying that somehow the people of the state somehow anybody who, you know as mark sanford said the confederate flag for some people is a symbol of the history of the state and tradition. but just the mention of it you know sort of suggests that there is some blame to be cast on the state, on the south for the state of things in the world today. and that that is what contributed to this young man's ability to pull off this heinous crime. do you think that's true? >> yes, it's part of a culture in that state which jon stewart pointed out last night. you have roads in that state named after member of the confederacy who doesn't want black people to be able to freely travel on those roads. >> and that's why this young man did it? >> i never said that's why did he it. i said this is part of a culture, one of a number of different elementshe

did it. i said this is part of a culture, one of a number of different elements of the atmosphere. >> the names of roads and flags do not cause people to commit mass murder. sois otherwise south carolina would be a bladood bath. you continue to suggest it's part of the cocktail and that's nonsense. otherwise this would be happening all the time because, i don't know people ride down bedford forest highway and go kill someone. that does not happen. >> this was an accident waiting to happen sadly. >> what does that even mean? >> do we condemn the confederate frag flag or look closer to the people -- and i'm not blaming his family and friends. i want to make that clear. but they seem to have been the only people who could have prevented this. there is no gun law that could have prevented this from happening except perhaps as you pointed out at the beginning the possibility that someone had been able to stop him, that may have stopped it.

>> i think we look at all these things. we have to look at all the things you just mentioned, not just any one thing in isolation. >> think of the language you used. this was an accident, it just sort of happened? it went off because of this cocktail? no. >> you continue to take me out of context. >> no you continue to say it. one man has responsibility for this. and that is the sick loser who sat there and stood up and shot those people. >> and there are a number of things in the -- >> to blame it on some ironment or environment or other factors is completely wrong. >> you're taking slivers of what i'm saying out of context for your own political agenda. >> we'll let the audience decide. gentlemen, thank you very much. good to have you both. so we are less than 24 hour after the charleston shooting that people were trying to place blame on gun laws and we've just discussing it here and on the media and on the confederate flag. howard kurtz is next on why the rush to point figurers. and then the son of one of the

victims, his powerful message which maybe says more than any of us could say on our own. >> to the other family i'm sorry about what happened. obviously you guys are devastated as we are. but i know for a fact that things will get better as time goes on.

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in the wake of any tragedy people of course look for answers. but in recent year we've also seen an accelerated rush to blame. consider the case of state representative todd rutherford and his fox news theory we'll first air his original remarks address then the followup last night on the o'reilly factor. watch. >> and he did so based on some ill gotten belief on some wrong belief that it's okay to do that. he hears that because he watches the news and he watches things like fox news where they talk

about things that they call news but they're really not. they use that coded language, they use hate speech they talk about the president as if he's not the president. they talk about church goers as if they're not church goers. and that's why you can walk into the church and treat people like animals. >> you know he watches fox news? >> no what i said -- >> no you said he watches fox news. >> i said again things like fox news. so the rhetoric that he spoke in the church -- >> commentary here, that what you're doing? >> about black people raping white women, he didn't just generate that out of the sky. >> unbelievable. howard kurtz is the host of "#mediabuzz." howard, i don't know where this man is coming from. he obviously does that watch a lot of fox news. i can promise you that. >> for todd rutherford to make this fictional attempt to link fox to this horrible tragedy is just rep pre-hence bl.

i recognize he was very emotional, he lost a friend in that church. but i shouldn't even have to say this. we don't know whether the shooter ever watched fox news. when people on fox criticize president obama, they're not acting as if he's not president. i have no clue what rutherford means when he describes church goers as not really church goers. this is the worst kind of politicalization. >> where does this come from in terms of this sort of sweeping generalizations and this rush to judgment that we see really across the board? and we talked about the white house and their reaction and the immediate sort of pointing the finger at gun control issue which people are very divided about in this nation of course but as rich lowry said before before the bodies are cold before we have figured out who we lost in these situations there seems to be an effort to kind of attach to one's cause. >> this was a heinous act by a lone psychopath who was a white

supremacist. and it just pains me that people in the about punditry profession have an irresistible urge to assign blame. and there a history on both sides. for example president clinton faulted rush limbaugh for creating the climate of hate that he said led to the oklahoma city bombing or helped lead to it. some liberals blame sarah palin in the shooting of gaby give fords s giffords and six others because she produced a political map for democratic members of congress. it's taking a tragedy and plit politicizing it. ultimately you're just trying to score points for your side. >> i'm struck by the young man who we've played several times in this show who lost his other. and i think about the people of charleston who have done anything about, you know, sort of make sweeping generalizations about this young man and about why he did what he did. and i just think it's

instructive really to everyone because that community has not been divided by this. they have been brought together by this howard. >> yeah what a contrast between the people in the community and ordinary people and some i emphasize some politicians and commentators whereas we've seen in some of these other cases but particularly heartwrenching in this one because it happened in a church an 87-year-old woman among the victims, if the shooter has any discernible political philosophy, and often they don't often just an incoherent stew of hate stredred, it is ugly appalling and has no place in civil discourse. >> so what do you do? as members of the media, which is your beat, how to youu do you avoid this? >> i'd like to see a little bit of self restraint on the part of people in our profession. and even if you're going to have the debate about is it gun control, mental illness at

least have a decent interval before we get into is that sort of thing. that's a political debate. maybe it's a debate we need to have. when it erupts on the airwaves and in the blogosphere moments after nine people dead all they were doing was going to church to pray study bible, i just think it shows us or some of us at the our worst and those of us who don't believe in this sort of thing, we are to call it out. >> agreed. howard kurtz, thank you very much. good to see you today. >> same here martha. so next powerful message for everyone from the son of one of the victims. >> my mama one game when i was here i looked at her when i was on deck and she was like you know i'm saying a prayer for you, right? i was like mom, don't you think i already did that? she said you can never have too much prayer. so that's one thing she did for me i always remember.

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i just think about her smile. she smiled 24/7. that's why i'm just thinking about to push me on. >> that was a remarkable scene last night. and a young man's words who guided us through this program tonight. he displayed incredible composure just hours after his mother was murdered as he was surrounded by his baseball teammates last night at

charleston southern university. he discusses his beloved mom, sharanda singleton coleman. he believes why in the end love truly does conquer all. >> first of all, i just want to say thanks to everyone that looked out for me and tried to contact me. i mean i have contacted you back but i just want to thank everyone who reached out to me. as far as my family we are mourning right now, but i know we'll get through it. my mom was a god-fearing woman. she loved everybody with all her heart. and to the other families i'm sorry about what happened. obviously, you guys are as devastated as we are, but i know for a fact things will get better as time goes on. it's surreal right now, it's surreal. nothing changes for me. i'm probably going to push myself harder in everything that i do. every time i do something, i'll give her a little wink in the sky. i just think about her smile.

she smiled 24/7. that's what i'm just thinking about to try to push me on to do stuff like this. this church is such a family, you know i've been going there since sixth grade when i moved here. but i feel like they are all older than me. but it's like i'm everybody's grandson. we'll get through it our church will get through it. it's tough times but i know for a fact everyone will press on. my mom -- one game when i was here i looked at her when i was on deck and she was like you know i'm saying a prayer for you, right? i'm like mom, don't you think i already did that. and she was like well, you can never have too much prayer. that's one thing she did for me. for right now i'm just making sure my brother and sister are good. and after that i'll think about other things. i just say love is always stronger than hate. if we love the way my mom would, then the hate won't be anywhere close to what love is. we have come together as a community to try to get past these things. a tragedy has happened but life

is going to go on and things will get better. >> very clear she raised an amazing son. i don't know why these things always happen to such incredibly special people it seems time and time again. and after that was done after he was done speaking his entire team surrounded him and they all prayed together. he and his sister later spoke a little more saying they have already found the strength to forgive their mother's killer. this is good, mom. "good"? (chuckles) it's delicious! and this new kibble blend is so healthy. thank you. no, nancy, thank you. kibbles 'n bits. because every bit matters. ♪ ♪ at audi we know one thing to be true. the proper footing...

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"kelly file" special tonight. see you on monday in "america's newsroom." i'm martha mccombs and this is "the kelly file." a fox news alert. new developments in the massive manhunt for two escaped prisoners in upstate new york. police say they have a new lead that the convicted killers might be in allegheny county new york after they were possibly seen near the pennsylvania border a week ago. hello, welcome to "america's news headquarters." i'm arthel neville. >> and i'm kelly wright. we are live at the clinton correctional facility in dannemora, new york with the very latest. >> reporter: kelly and arthel police were waiting for a break and this could be