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listen to this. >> racism we are not cured of it. clearly. and it's not just a matter of it not being polite to say [ bleep ] in public. that's not the measure of whether racism still exists or not. it's not just a matter of overt discrimination. societies don't overnight completely erase everything that happened two to three hundred years later. >> did the dialogue you just heard advance the discussion about race? joining me eric guster executive are director of the tea party.net and fox news contributor denene. president obama's comments and the dignity of the office? >> it's outrageous. he has absolutely lowered the standard in terms of being president of the united states. he made no mention of racism in

america when he ran for president not once but twice. i have dubbed him to do rapper in chief for using such language. you should see all the hate mail i'm getting. i'm being attacked for president obama using such language on the national platform. what are young people thinking? what are people thinking this st coming from the president of the united states? it's outrageous. >> it sounds like you're talking about the office of the presidency regardless of whoever sits there. niger lets go to you on this. the president's use of the n word? >> i don't care so much about the president's use of the n word. i do agree with denene she's got a great line. i think she stole it from me rapper in chief. that is the president. it's also entertainer in chief. he's tapped into the entertainment market and used it successfully. i think the context is much more important. the fact that today we had an extraordinary day in south carolina.

where you had nicky haley, the first indian american governor of south carolina. flanked by one of two black republicans of the senators in the united states senate, tim scott who is republican. you have this extraordinary moment where these folk remove or say that they plan to remove the confederate flag from the state grounds, you have the extraordinary moment about how far we've come as a country. and the fact that we are moving forward together in south carolina charleston all over this country. this president feels the context of where he used that n word what he was saying is that things have not changed. >> let's go to governor haley. this is what she had to say about removing the confederate flag. >> we do not need to declare a winner and a loser here. we respect freedom of expression. for those who wish to show respect for the flag on their private property nobody will stand in your way.

the state house is different. the events of this past week call upon us to look at this in a different way. today, we are here in a moment of unity in our state without ill will to say it's time to move the flag from the capitol grounds. >> and let's go back in time. this is of course former president and former governor bill clinton, but show this. >> the blue star above the word arkansas to commemorate the confederate states of america. a different application there. to our other guests eric guster how are you? >> i'm great, how are you? >> your take on the president's statement and the context? >> the context was very clear. the president was speaking about race relations and how things have come far, however, a lot of people have to understand that just not saying the n word in

public is not necessarily saying that racism is totally eradicated. it was -- his context was clear. what denene was saying about rapper in chief that was totally inappropriate. he wasn't saying it in a rap lyric or saying this just to be casual. al he was talking about the deep rooted areas of racism we have to deal with. i'm in birmingham alabama. >> where is the racism eric? the man was elected twice. >> let me ask you this question denene asked it. i'll put it in a different context or in a different frame. is america institutionally racism that's racism which required codified law, a social acceptance, a silent acceptance and bias prejudice in some form black, white in any form will always exist. is american institutionally

racist or are there racists in america? >> definitely. from the boardroom to the courtroom. we have to deal with those people. just like this mourron who killed nine people. he was a racist. we have to deal with those different levels of racism and start addressing it. some people have said the president has not talked about racism. when he finally does he's getting attacked. he did the right thing by putting it in context. >> back to denene the question is are we institutionally racist? i say we're not. we don't have codified law like slavey. what we see in south carolina is a rejection by all ethnisties of this. >> our country has made amazing strides. the three, four of us on national television. obama was elected twice it wasn't only with black voters. >> a black senator from south carolina. >> here we're talking about a flag and racism again. that people are saying that is

rampant in america. america is an exceptional country. americans can work hard and apply themselves no matter who you are, anything can happen as long as you do that. >> there is always bias in life. we have to be honest about it. it can happen, black, white, asian, female. we deal with bias. we have law and a societal rejection of that. we are not static. we're not where we were in the 60s. are we somewhere else? >> we're way somewhere else. we are moving forward as a country. look we of all travelled around the world. and racism or bigotry is part of the human condition from africa to europe to asia tribalism, all types of religious animosity that exists. and bigotry that exists. america has come so far. so relatively quickly. you know it's not often i quote a black democrat.

let me quote herald ford who took issue with the president using the n word. he says the challenge of our age for not just minorities but working class folk is education. we need education reform. >> back to you, eric. you've heard from both denene and niger again. haven't we evolved so we can have an honest discussion? i don't want to talk about the use of the n word. i agree on the office being more important. we're not talking about the issue, we're talking about a word. >> well we're talking about the word and the issue. because just like the president said in that podcast, it is not saying the word in public does not mean that racism is gone. we have to get to the deep rooted issues and start listening to each other opposed to just battling rams like on the mountain where we don't listen to each other. we have come a long way. i agree with that 100%. just like what denene said we have four african-americans on national tv right now discussing

this. we have come a long way. but we have a long way to go. that's why it's important to have those discussions open kugs and not be pc about it so we can't have the discussions. >> we won't be dishonest about it as americans. i believe this country -- i think we all agree, eric niger denene we've come a far way. there will always be bias. we deal with those individual instances, eric thank you, denene niger great to see you. karl rove under fire about his comments about the second amendment. he said he's been taken out of context. we want to focus on our grandfather and the other victims and making sure that the communities and the families heal. the grandfather and widow of one of the charleston church shooting victims share their emotional stories. that much and more as "hannity" toens. would you like, apple or cherry? cherry. oil or cream?

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welcome back to "hannity." following the shooting in charleston last week liberals and the media tried to use the event to push for increased gun control. karl rove weighed in on the issue yesterday on "fox news sunday." watch this. >> we've come a long way. maybe there's some magic law that will keep us from having more of these. i mean basically, the only way to guarantee that we would dramatically reduce acts of violence involving guns is to remove guns from society. until somebody gets enough oomph to repeal the second amendment, that's not going to happen. >> joining me now former deputy chief of staff and advisor to president george w. bush karl rove.

good to see you again. >> thank you. >> you caught a few people's ears let's call it that. i read it. and i looked at -- i'm guessing there was a little bit of sar sarcassism in there, was there? >> look people always in moments like this some politicians look for magic answers. i don't think this is an answer. as i said i went on to describe what i think we ought to be focused about. we had warning signs from this young man. he talked to friends about it, other individuals about it. he went on the internet and openly explained what he was going to do. somehow or another we missed those signs. we need more personal responsibility in our society. in my opinion, in which friends and family and community care about each other enough to take these things seriously. the idea that somehow or another this could have been prevented by some gun control act, it just simply is not accurate. i mean take chicago. it has some of the toughest gun control laws on the books, yet,

it's a murder capital. it's because when you take away the people's right to keep and bear arms bad people keep and bear arms. and use them. so as i said yesterday on "fox news sunday," this is not an answer. >> what is the answer that's needed? or at least one of the answers, there's not one either or there's not a magic bullet. i agree with you on that. and we're never going to repeal the second amendment. i think that point you made. >> we shouldn't -- >> it's not going to happen. >> we shouldn't. i'm not suggesting it's even a good idea. but i do think this i think first of all, evil exists. we've got to recognize that in our fallen condition there will always be evil. and in this specific instance i do worry that we had some warning signs that people should have picked up on. and didn't. he was on the enterinternet saying these things. he was saying these things to

friends, probably to family as well. somehow or another people didn't care enough or take responsibility for their fellow citizens enough seriously enough to do something about it. >> this is what the president had to say about this. al of course the presumptive democratic nominee hillary clinton. >> you don't see murder on this kind of scale with this kind of frequency in any other advanced nation on earth. what's different is not every country is awash with easily accessible guns. >> i am not and will not be afraid to keep fighting for commonsense reforms and along with you, achieve those on behalf of those who have been lost because of the senseless gun violence in our country. >> the president makes a statement, he pulls the agenda into it. and then hillary clinton plays to it. you've been in that white house. what do you think? >> well what i was interested

was, earlier in the week the president basically said look this -- we're not going to get additional gun control measures. on friday is when he ramped up the pressure. i think the president should have stayed away from the issue all together. i do not think he helps his cause. i do not think he serves the nation well by doing this. i think it would have been better for him to have been talking about how we as a society have a responsibility to love a neighbor like we'd like to be loved ourselves. in this instance we had somebody who was espousing hate. rather than raising concern, talk to people in authority, talk to the family raise warning signs -- when these warning signs were raised people didn't act. that's what we ought to be focused on as a country. we ought to be focused on the incredible example we have of how evil was met by love. admittedly by grief. i hate it had to be in a situation that was accompanied by grief.

this is an incredible example of reconciliation that is taking place in the united states particularly in the south. i thought nicky haley this afternoon standing next to her was the first african-american since the reconstruction era to be a senator from the south. and standing next to her was lindsey graham who had previously opposed the removal of the confederate flag. there was this recognition by south carolina as a community that it was time to return that flag to the museum where it belonged and to remove the hateful symbol that so many people in the state of south carolina saw as a hateful symbol. i thought it was an incredible moment. that's where the president ought to be focused. not for something that is for political points and a cause that he has championed that had no success. >> the reality is no one is going to remove the second amendment. it will never be overturned in the united states. thank you.

joining me now with reaction is president of the crime prevention center and charles cook. thank you for joining me. first to you, john when you take a look at this situation, how it's played out, what do you have to say to the president's remarks? >> well i guess the thing that most disappoints me with regard to the president is he just keeps on putting out information that's clearly false. i mean in the clip you had,b the united states doesn't have the highest murder rate among developed countries. lock at russia brazil those are countries that have three to five times higher murder rates than what we have here in the united states. there are other countries which are similar to us. you know the other types of claims he was making last week were that these mass public shootings only occur in the united states. the worst mass public shooting that's occurred has been in norway where 67 people were killed and 110 injured.

if you look at europe and the united states not even taking into account a lot of really bad places in the world, the united states ranked eighth in terms of per capita mass public shooting deaths from 1999 on. that's not accounting for things like bombing deaths with russia which has like twice as many bombing deaths as we have mass shootings. >> so let's bring this home to the united states. you're right. those are the numbers. they're horrific. we have murder rates gun crimes that have dropped. that's been tracked over the last three decades. we have this narrative. i want to bring this into it which is what's being pushed here by the media, by the images. we have this image of a gun pointed at ted cruz's head. this is a picture that was taken by ap at about seven or eight hours later was posted. so is this deliberate?

is this narrative being pushed? >> they wouldn't have done it if it was barack obama or hillary clinton. >> why do it if it's ted cruz? >> they reflexes don't kick in with ted cruz like hillary clinton. on the previous point, i think john made a great point. on the specifics obama has forwarded. i understand this more as someone who used to be anti-gun. obama said on the pod cast the other day, that if we had passed sensible gun control two years ago we don't know what would have happened in charleston. i think it's worth saying it's not true. if you look at the three things obama wanted to push. they were assault weapons ban, the limit on the size of magazines and they were background checks on all sales private and public. >> they wouldn't apply to this. >> it's not just that i'm saying they don't work. they don't. they don't intersect. he used a .45 caliber handgun.

he seems to have had a standard magazine. he passed a background check. there was a report saying he got it from his father. obama is not leveling with the public. >> we will level with the public here on "hannity." thank you both. coming up tonight. just the love of all of the families for the victims. was so overwhelming that it out weighed the hate that he had for them. >> the grandfather and daughter and widow of the one of the victims right here on "hannity" on how their family is dealing with the tragedy. later dr. keith ablow reacts to dylann's roof's step mother saying he was radicalized by the quote, evil internet. that and more. the tools and help on experian.com. kaboom... well, i just have a few other questions.

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as the emmanuel ame church in charleston continue to recover after last week's shooting. the out pouring of love and support from across the country has been a source of healing for the families of the victims. the grand daughter of the reverend daniel simmons who was killed in the attack. talked about coping with this tragedy in an emotional interview yesterday. take a look. >> we want to focus on our grandfather and the other victims and making sure the communities and the families heal. charleston has been a great example to the rest of the country as well. we just really really appreciate how everyone has come together. and like people of all races, all religions, genders, orientation. at the prayer vigil we went to everyone was there. and it was just so overwhelming and just so wonderful to see everyone coming together.

not to bash or to talk about the suspect. but to celebrate the lives and to heal together. >> joining me now are members of reverend daniel simmons' family, grand daughter and his widow. as i look at that picture of you and your family i see a beautiful loving family. no one can imagine the tragedy. but you're strong and your statements alana, just unbelievable. first to you, alana, how are you doing now and how do you feel? >> i'm doing remarkably well. actually i've had a lot of support from the community, from family from friends. i would like to -- my entire family we're doing remarkably well thanks to everyone's outpour of love. >> i can't imagine losing a

husband, losing your mate. when you look at the community around you, what do you hear? what do you feel? how does their support come through to you? >> for the past few days since this incident happened it has been an outpouring of support from the community, the church community. the corporate world community. and many friends. and i really feel very strong very grateful. and i'm thankful. i'd like to say at this time i send a heart felt thanks to everyone for their great support. and out pouring of love. >> when the two of you and your family members are together and, again, you know not being there the country looks but they see the images how do you take the discussion beyond what just happened? what else do you talk about?

>> well we talk -- we pray. before we discuss anything we have family prayer. my grandfather was big on that. whenever we went anywhere before we ate, before we did anything as a unit. we always had a prayer. before we started with interviews and speaking to the nation about our grandfather, we had a prayer and a discussion open floor. we just decided, this is what we're going to do. we're going to honor our grandfather as if he were still here. we're going to talk about the things that he loved. we're going to talk about loving each other. we're going to talk about making sure that we as well as the other victims heal from this tragedy. >> mrs. simmons, when you interact with the younger members of your family maybe those that don't understand quite as well as a parent or as

a grand parent how do you speak with them? >> as my grand daughter mentioned, prayer was a part of our family. before we begin our day in the morning, we pray. this is where we gain our strength from because we look to the lord. when i communicate with the grandchildren, it's always love. we do things together. we enjoy each other. and we have a great time. >> to piggy back on that my mother came up with this quote that she got it from my uncle. and it said that when we were talking about how, you know could god allow something like this to happen in his own house. she said that -- she heard this quote somewhere that said that god allows what he hates to accomplish what he loves. and we've seen that here in charleston. to be honest on our way here we

were nervous. we didn't know what the city was going to be like when we got here considering the circumstances of what had just occurred. when we got here it was an overwhelming calming peace. and we just can't say how much we appreciate the love and the support from everyone. >> i can say this that two actually help lift my spirits. hearing you talk seeing the love between your families. you're so well-spoken alana, you've got a bright future ahead of you. >> thank you. >> this shows family how it works great as a unit. you're a great example. thank you. >> thank you. joining me with reaction "fox and friends" co-host ainsley earhardt. the picture that i saw of them you know body language you kind of look at it and you see a family that's supporting each other, kind of leaning on each other, close together.

a well-spoken young lady and parent. >> imagine that times nine. that's how every family member was. everyone we talked to that goes to that church it was remarkable how these victims handled the situation. you heard them all speaking in the courtroom, which is very rare for a judge to even allow that. so the family members that we were talking with and their friends, were saying they were so grateful that the judge allowed that. because it was a chance for them to share their faith, just like the simmons family just did. to tell the rest of the world that their loved ones did not die in vain. there is a purpose in this they feel like god is in this. they don't understand they will miss their loved ones. they trust them enough to know there is good that's going to come out of this evil. >> you're from the palmetto state. i have friends down there, and it's something about that community, i've been to charleston. this is one of the world's top tourist destinations.

that's condy nast. it's got a communal feel to it. being a native being a local, what was it like for you? >> first of all, you understand why people want to visit charleston. you understand why so many people are moving there. and the real estate market is booming in charleston. because not only is the cost of living better than it is in the northeast. the community -- >> the quality of living. >> the quality of people. it's amazing. everyone goes to church on sunday mornings. i'm not saying -- not being preachy and you have to be in church. we all grew up like that. with a value system to love one another and look at everyone as god's child. there is racism but we were anot to not focus on that but to change the next generation. that's what i'm getting from alana. >> there a another generation coming from that young lady. >> mean people will ask that don't have faith why does god allow bad things to happen to good people. i wrote it down so i can put this in my notes. i'm going to share this with people. god allows what he hates

sometimes to accomplish what he loves. and i think that's the message that charlestons are feeling throughout this. i was so proud to be from south carolina. because of the way they handled the situation. >> ainsley earhardt "fox and friends" co-host. the step mother of the alleged church shooter says he was radicalized by what he read on the internet. keith ablow will be here with his reaction. i'm proud how the network dealt with this. took issues of credibility and integrity seriously. and made brian pay a heavy price. >> nbc's chuck todd speakpath out in support of brian williams. we'll have more when "hannity" continues. in support of brian williams. we'll have more when "hannity" continues. it's one of the most amazing things we build and it doesn't even

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hq". there's a growing movement to permanently lower the confederate flag. mississippi house speaker a republican addeds his voice to the effort calling the emblem offensive. the governor and a number of lawmakers agreed. haley noted the flag was used a a symbol of hatred by the man who allegedly gunned down nine people at the church in charleston last week. the search for those two escaped killers in upstate new york is focused tonight in a remote area 20 miles from the prison. police have found evidence the escapees were in a nearby hunting cabin. richard matt and david sweat have been on the run since june 6th. that's a look at news. i'm kelly wright. now back to "hannity." welcome back to "hannity." the wum whoonoman who helped raise

the alleged mass shooter and was married to his father. is speaking out about what may have led him to commit this horrific. his step mother said he was a loner who was radicalized by what he found on the internet. joining us is dr. keith ablow. dr. ablow, just -- i find the statement -- i don't want to say ignorant but aloof from the situation. to blame it automatically on the internet. >> i think it's a little bit pat. you know it depends who is receiving that information. so you know most of us gratefully can receive lots of information, some of it very dark. but not act out, not become violent. i think in this case there were lots of signs that dylann roof was compromised psychologically. unfortunately nobody got him the help he needed in order to not

become violent. that help could have been delivered. >> let's go to the broken family that we have here. i don't say you blame it on that. look at what's happened. his friends knew about this. they were on facebook. we have a kid who has failed ninth grade twice according to some reports. he drops out of school. you know when that all breaks down is it easier to then fall into other messages? >> well i think it is. you know people saying you got to control guns no you've got to respond to mental illness. and recognize it where it exists. i don't know the ins and outs of this young man's psychiatric history. we do know that he failed ninth grade twice. he was sometimes largely confined to his room. he hadn't gotten apdriver's license according to his uncle at age 19. this isolative nature and the fact that he then tells people in sort of a brazen way i want to start a race war.

many mental illnesses that can leave people to feel aggrieved as if everyone is against them and if they have great challenges that is delusional in the world. yet, the psychiatric illness can propel that thought. it was -- >> is it psychiatric illness? we don't know for sure. >> we don't know for sure. >> it could be such an evil kid. 21 you're a man, maybe you're not fully developed and not as old as us two guys here with more experience. let's face it we can't ignore the fact that he's someone who is just bad. >> we could debate a long time how much evil is illness mask raiding at that evil. here we have someone who was described as abusing more than one gun. a friend took away his gun because he was too ineeberated and talking nonsense. how does nobody call 911 or

drive the kid to an er for a psychiatric evaluation? which by the way could have triggered help. a lot of people who are that tenuous, will tell a mental health clinicians i intend to hurt people. nobody got him that help because we have very out dated notions about what mentally ill people look like. >> so what do we do going forward? what is done out of this? they talk about the lessons that need to be learned. how we move forward. state centers, psychiatry what else needs to be done? >> we need a campaign to say if you have concern for somebody who seems as though they might become violent. don't think of them as bad, think of them as potentially ill. >> don't we have that because we have if you see something, say something, it's part of the american existence. it doesn't seem to translate to someone you might know who may be going bad or has gone bad. >> it doesn't seem to david.

people don't even know they're supposed to bring folks to ers or call 911 in circumstances like this. you have the president of the united states saying it's about the firearms. what? it's not about the firearms listen if you want to be a serious person and a real leader. deal with the fact our psychiatric and mental health systems have broken down and become a sham. an embarrassment in this country. what does he want to do? dissempower people collect their forms. how about empowering people by getting them well. >> i get sick of the blame the device. a gun never picked itself up and shot anybody. this is about the person. you can read dr. ablow's op-ed on our website. go to opinion.foxnews.com. we took situations seriously and made brian pay a heavy

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crisis. watch this. >> i'm proud how this network dealt with this. took it seriously, took issues of credibility and integrity seriously. and made brian pay a heavy price. and i also am glad to work for a company that provides an opportunity to earn back trust and earn back a second chance. >> joining me now for reaction author of the new book television is the new television. the unexpected triumph of old media. michael wolfe. talking about something that has been going on for 50 or so years in this country, the modern age of television trustworthiness with our anchors, chuck todd the brian williams controversy. here he is telling the story initially of the helicopter and how he was shot at in -- on the nightly news. >> the story actually started with a terrible moment a dozen years back during the invasion of iraq. when the helicopter we were

traveling in was forced down after being hit by an rpg. our traveling nbc news team was rescued surrounded and kept alive by an armored mechanized platoon from the u.s. army third infantry. >> a lot of controversy comes out of that. television where are we now? what about nbc's chuck todd? >> you know i think chuck todd is not only completely wrong, i think he's delivering the line he was told to deliver. and it's a line -- speaking of trustworthiness that no one at the network believes. everyone at nbc believes they messed this up. that it was a kind of ultimate case botched crisis management. did brian williams exaggerate? did he tell storys? absolutely. but there is a sense of proportion that got way out of control here. and the network, the network was

not able to control its own fate its own destiny and kind of sort of let brian twist in the wind. >> let's go to this next cut, and this is brian williams again, cut -- let's listen to him on letterman. >> two of our four helicopters were hit by ground fire including the one i was in. >> no kidding. >> rpg and ak-47. so we got hit, we set down everyone was okay our captain took a purple heart injury to his ear in the cockpit, but we were alone. >> here's where i look at this none of us work in the vacuum. you're an expert on media. we don't work in a vacuum. producers know. other people know. you say nbc is putting the line out, chuck todd is putting that line out, but didn't someone at the network know likely what was going on? >> you mean did they know what was going on with -- >> with brian williams and his

story? >> probably not. i don't think anyone really focused on it. i don't think anyone really knew what was happening. i don't think that it crossed anyone's mind least of all brian's mind that he was setting out to tell a concerted lie here. i think it's -- listen it is unfortunate that it happened. it shouldn't have happened. but does it bring the world crashing down around us that it did happen? no. i think it only does to a certain kind of heated group in the media, the journalism with a capital j crowd. >> i'm an old school journalist. call it integrity matters, new orleans, brian williams talking about a dead body. watch this. >> when you look out of your hotel room window in the french quarter and watch a man float by facedown when you see bodies that you last saw in banda aceh

indonesia and swore you would never see in your country -- i accidentally ingested some of the floodwater. i became very sick with dysentery. our hotel was overrun with gangs. i was rescued in the stair well of a five-star hotel in new orleans. >> television is the new television integrity matters today. this is your book. does that do a disservice to television? >> actually i don't think it does. i think television is healthier than it has ever been. i think more people are watching it. i think if -- actually if you want to know stories of what is new -- of what's -- of not being sure of what's true and what is -- and why something is being said then that's digital media. otherwise, i think television

is -- i think it is a remarkable business. and, you know basically it is -- we do -- we do each other proud on this. >> just 30 seconds left what will the reader get from your new book. television is the new television the unexpected triumph of all media in the new age. >> we had a -- many years of hearing at the internet is going to take us all, going to be everything and the truth is it's not. that television is what we do what we watch, what we -- the business that we want to be in. >> michael woolf, television is the new television. thank you. i'll be putting this in my reading shelf. more "hannity" after the break.

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